Is Baptism A Work?
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Colossians 2:11-12 says that baptism is a working(or operation) of God not by human hands.
Great explanation! Thank you!
Reformers love to say through grace alone, faith alone and Christ alone. Faith alone and grace alone us self contradictory as that's 2 factors. Christ alone adds a third.
Thank you GBN.
You may want to look at it this way: Christ is the High Priest of the New Covenant. When do we individually and personally go to Him to have our sins forgiven? When do we go into the Inner Sanctuary with Him and be a part of what needs to be performed for the forgiveness of our sins? Read Hebrews for teaching about Christ as High Priest.
If it’s a work, then it’s earned, and we are due our wages. So then it is not by grace. Paul explains this. Baptism is the antithesis of work. Think about the symbolism. We are motionless, buried under water. Who is working? Not the baptized person.
Just a bunch of buffoonery here on this channel!
“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
John 6:28-29 KJV
Jesus didn’t answer their question! What they asked was about what they could do to do the WORKS of God (notice the plural noun). Jesus changes the word “work” into a singular noun. Jesus was not referring to the peoples’ work, but to that of God in His working on those who believe, and possibly the ability to believe (not a reference to election, but the ministry and death of Christ). Belief is NOT a work! You sound like Calvinists when you say that. Also, note this: a lot of those who believe what you believe like R.C Sproul’s (prominent Calvinist) teachings. That’s honestly confusing to me. I was in a school that taught church of Christ doctrine and they put Sproul’s videos on the TVs.
Believing that Jesus is the Son of God and He Will build
His Church in your belief. if you submit to His Commands . Mathew16 16 thru 18
Acts 2 38 thru 42
Acts 9
Romans ch 6
Mark 16 vrs 16
God does the work we believe
in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus and so God says we are raised from His babtism A Child of God
Their is a word called hypothetical. If a person doesn't believe something he turns to this word. One of the best hypothetical examples a person that doesn't believe in baptism for the forgiveness of sin is this. Say a woman is going to worship on Sunday morning and she has decided to be baptized. She comes up to a light that is green. Suddenly a big truck can't stop, runs the light and kills her. Does she go to heaven anyway without being baptized. Absolutely not. Let me explain why. Matthew chapter 7 verse 7 Jesus says ask and it will be given, knock and the door will be open, and seek and you will find. If this hypothetical can come true then Jesus lied. This could never come true or Matthew chapter 7 verse 7 is false. You will not be forgiven of your sin unless you are baptized.
so i asked my local "church of christ" pastor a few questions. this is what i got
1. if someone is dying in the desert and they believe but cant be baptized, they will go to hell
2. any person who cannot be baptized for medical reasons (someone in the hospital who dies there etc) will go to hell, even if they believe.
3.any person who believes and IS baptized by any other church will go to hell, it must be done by a "church of christ" minister (sounds like a catholic priest type thing to me)
4.if a person believes, and is ON THEIR WAY TO THE WATER TO BE BAPTIZED, but dies of a heart attack before reaching the water, they will go to hell
5. contact with the water puts u in contact with Christ's blood. so basically transubstantiation of the water takes place like the catholics believe the wine does in communion, which they believe becomes the literal blood of Christ
so heres the deal. the "church of christ" controls who is saved, how they are saved and when they are saved. God has nothing to do with it.
LASTLY, there a few churches of Christ that have come to their senses and sees these heinous heretical errors. most however, are cults
Ask a different church of Christ preacher
1.) He dies lost because never obeyed the gospel and having his sins washed away by the blood of Christ so he dies in his sins. I didn't realize an unredeemed person dying in their sins and being lost was foreign to Christianity. But who is in this situation? Every person I've talked to who rejects what baptism is for and brings this up is neither on their death bed, on a battlefield, alone in a desert, etc. They're standing right in front of me. Crafted hypotheticals do not refute the NT teaching on water baptism.
2.) What are the medical reasons that prevent baptism? I've watched countless videos of hospitals making all kinds of accommodations for the bedridden wanting to obey the gospel of Jesus Christ in baptism. I've yet to see anyone prevented, no matter their condition. This doesn't refute the NT teaching on water baptism.
3.) This objection is confused and misunderstood. No one has said baptism must be done by a "church of Christ minister." What brethren have said is that the person being baptized must understand what it is they're doing and why they are being baptized. And given that pretty much all denominational churches practice a baptism that is nowhere taught in the NT, the earnest believer is not baptized according to the word of God. They participate in a false baptism that does not add them to the Lord's church (Acts 2:41, 47). In my studies with individuals, they have admitted at the end that the reasons they were told they were being baptized are not the reasons given by inspired authors.
4.) This would fall under the same reason as #1, but I also don't believe these situations occur, nor is it the circumstance of the person bringing it up. For those honestly seeking, God provides opportunity. But this would be no different than said person just about to hear the gospel so he can believe in Jesus, but dies of a heart attack right before hearing and goes to Hell since he didn't get a chance to believe. Does such a hypothetical negate the need for faith in Christ? Seems like it would if the logic is consistent.
5.) "The Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation states that the bread and wine, at the moment of consecration during Holy Mass, actually become the body and blood of Jesus Christ." -(Douglas Beumont, Catholic Answers) No one in the churches of Christ believe the waters of baptism become a pool of literal blood when someone is baptized. What we have taught, and what the NT teaches, is that baptism is the point in which ones sins are washed away by the blood of Jesus Christ (Rev. 1:5; Acts 22:16). It is when we are set free from sin (Rom. 6:17-18). It is where God circumcizes our sins (Col. 2:11-12). The washing away of sins is a spiritual reality. The act of immersion in water symbolizes in a physical way, among other things, that spiritual reality.
So, in the end, I don't really see any "heinous heretical errors" here. This is the plain teaching of Christ and the apostles. The irony in that statement is that those who to object to baptism are themselves trying to control who is saved by saying God can't save people through baptism. God controls who is saved and He saves people through the gospel (Rom. 1:16). But we must obey this gospel from the heart in baptism (Rom. 6:3-7, 17-18), or we will be lost (2 Thess. 1:7-9; 1 Pet. 4:17)
@@Nshipman87 are you out of your MIND? you dont think thousands people over the last 2000 yrs who were in battle, on their death bed, stranded etc ever called out to God? sorry but my aunt was on her death bed in the hospital and 2 days before she died she accepted Jesus as her savior. theres NO way she couldve been baptized. the thief on the cross wasnt baptized. yea i know ur argument that he was under the old covenant. thats aburd. if he was under the old covenant then ur saying it was easier to be saved under the law than it is by grace! the thief only believed with no baptism or works! and yea there are medical conditions where a person cant be baptized. aquagenic urticaria is just one of them. ur response to number 4 doesnt even make sense. my question had nothing to do with someone before they believe. as for number 5 ur now going against ur own doctrine! i also believe "The washing away of sins is a spiritual reality. The act of immersion in water symbolizes in a physical way, among other things, that spiritual reality. " so is it a "symbol" of something, or does it "connect" you to something"? and yes ur doctrine is equivalent to catholic transubstantiation. the catholic catechism states "in the UNBLOODY sacrifice of the holy mass, we are put into contact with the flesh and blood of Christ's one true sacrifice"...u teach the same thing with the water. and one last thing. why dont u throw out all ur damn hymn books? all the songs in it were written by baptists, methodists, anglicans etc and since all those people are burning in hell, why would u want to believe their words when u sing them? now every time u sing "amazing grace" written by an anglican, i want u to picture him burning in hell. every time u sing "blessed assurance" i want u to think of the blind woman named fanny crosby. a methodist who wrote it, and all that she endured, and yet kept her faith in Christ. think of her burning in hell when u sing that song. think of willaim kirkpatrick burning in hell the next time u sing "tis so sweet to trust in Jesus". when u sing "Jesus saves" think of the Baptist who wrote it and now burns in hell according ur doctrine. if all other christians are lost, please stop singing our songs and write ur own. and lastly, if ur doctrine is true, then u are also going to hell. ur founder was baptized by a baptist and never received any other baptism. ur churches are also "denominational churches". u call baptists "denominational" yet every baptist church is totally independent, and they dont all believe alike. in fact, baptist churches were simply called "church of christ" on many of their deeds. there will be a great many "church of christ" folk who go to hell, because they trusted in their baptism more than they trusted christ. u are pharisees and satan. satan thought he could show Jesus all the kingdoms of this world and it would make Jesus worship him. you show water to a thirsty world, and them drown them in ur legalism. Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail against His church, and yet ur churches were nowhere to be found for 1800 years after Christ. and by the way, u know what other churches fall under the "restoration" movement" the MORMONS and JW's! ask any historian
@@caman171 For starters, just as a point of courtesy, I'd prefer future responses to be formatted in a way that makes them more conducive to interact with. This enormous unbroken mass of text is exceptionally cumbersome. I'd appreciate that very much. But allow me to answer your new points.
@@Nshipman87 I agree. Thanks for the insight