Neglected Kel-Tec PF9 Reliability Test (don't do this)
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Don't treat your concealed carry pistol this way! I've neglected my Kel-Tec PF9: wearing this in 90-100 F weather daily this summer, and haven't cleaned, fired, or maintained this pistol in four months. How will it shoot in this state with a variety of ammunition? Let's find out!
...and I've decided to take better care of my concealed carry hardware for sure! More on that later.
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I bought a used PF9 about 6 years ago, disassembled it, cleaned it, gave it love. I hugged and kissed it by polishing the slide, placing a flat trigger, some Foxx grips and fiber optic sights. I've probably run close to 1500 rounds, no FTF or FTE, I carry it still, daily.
When I was my department’s armorer, one of my officers brought me a sig 229 SAS in similar condition to your Kel Tec, It was his off duty carry gun. He had been carrying it daily but hadn’t shot it in a year. I literally had to beat the slide open with a rubber mallet, it had so much crud packed into the gun. Why do people trust their lives to weapons they don’t take care of ? The lives of your family are worth taking the time to clean and lube your firearm monthly, bi monthly in hot humid weather.
Richard Sveum my carry gun gets shot monthly and cleaned after shooting. i feel that this is not enough...i know thats just me but i must know that MF works.
I clean and lube my carry gun every three weeks even when I don't use it. If I'm going to trust my life on it I want to make damn sure it will go bang every time I pull the trigger.
I bought mine in 2012. It's been my favorite concealed carry ever since. Outstanding little pistol. Thanks for posting
Glad you posted this, honest and transparent, good reminder to all of us to keep up with maintenance!
Thanks for watching! Exactly why I published it- I have work to do! :)
@@Ultimatereloader 3 Malfunctions in the first 4 mags, and you trust your family’s life with it? You should have taken care of that gun like your family's life depended on it! No excuse for poor maintenance on a carry gun.
PF9 is my "going on a run" gun, it fits my running shorts perfectly, and it is light weight. I've fired maybe about 100 round through it in the time I have had it, and it seems to run just fine.
Trusted your life to a keltec that you haven't cleaned or oiled in "years"... damn you're living life on the edge there man
That would go for any brand.
I have a PF-9 about the same vintage. Here is some feedback and things to share with you - 1. A loose grip or "limp wristing" will make it stove pipe. Get a good purchase on the it. 2. Light Strike is caused by a dirty firing pin channel. Field strip it, clean the channel and consider taking a piece of emory cloth and small drill bit or dowel and lightly buff the firing pin channel. Polish the pin too. A basic cleaning, and lubricating is good to do a couple times a year. Get some frog lube and protect after each cleaning. I run a small count of grease on my rails too. I like Rig. . Put it on the calendar, since its your EDC pistol. Thank you for he video! Hope this helps and thank you. FletchMan
Take the extraction spring off and clean under the extractor, bought one used and super dirty.i cleaned it lubed it but every mag was a ftf or fte ordered new mag, extractor, extractor spring, polished the feed ramp and still nothing.... Took the extractor off and cleaned under it really good and no problems at all since.
I have had mine since they were released and although I sometimes now carry my 9mm Shield, there is no slimmer single stack 9mm for Summer carry. Great content!
To me, oil and oil more especially after wear, I see every firearm as a piece of art regardless of $
Great minds think alike
Had a PF-9 for years, used it as an EDC many times, shot tons of rounds through her and no issues. As long as you take care of this handgun, do not feed it cheap ammo, and keep it oiled and clean and you will have no issues.
All of which this dude did.. complete neglect. No oil. Cheap ammo.. hes a loser
The gun on my hip right now is the KelTec PF9. I only paid $209 back in the day. To keep mine running I give it an Ultrasonic bath in a 10 to 1 water and Ballistol mix. Blow it out with compressed air, wipe it off on the outside and oil the slide rails. Mine has been great for a few thousand rounds. I had 1 spring break (gun still worked) and KelTec got the new one to me in about a week. My next gun will hopefully be a Sub-2000 in CZ mag form
I had a Kel Tec P11, completely reliable, but trigger (by design) was so hard and pull so long I couldn't quickly double tap. Good carry gun, very small and light. I kept it clean and lubricated. I shot about 800 rounds through it.
Mcarbo innards make the P-11 much more comfortable to shoot.
I've had one for several years... It's kinda been my beater carry gun. Zero issues to date. This video reminds me, I should probably give it a good cleaning and lube job. 😆 Thanks and keep up the great content.
Thanks for sharing. I bought mine in April of 2010, after spotting a used one during a period in which they were in high demand and short supply. I love the gun's practicality, and it's been very reliable over the years. After two years, I replaced the slide with a hard-chromed one, as the original was getting some rust (I live in Florida.)
I'm not that good about periodic cleaning between range sessions, and those sessions have gotten more infrequent lately. The last time I shot this gun's little sister, the P32 (purchased in 2011), it made for a pretty show of sparks as lint within the gun was ignited and propelled from it. Still, the gun cycled perfectly.
I'll definitely pay a bit more attention to "between-range" cleanliness.
I have had mine since 2008. Well over 4K rounds. No problems. It ate what ever I fed it. However, mine was cleaned after each visit to the range.
Going to see if I can find one...good stuff!! ✌🍻
Hey Gav nice to see you shoot some pistol for a change!!
I had a PF9. It was a great gun after replacing the magazine release, 2 broken ejectors, and an extractor. Replaced it with a Sig P239 9mm. Sold the PF9 to a buddy and it got stolen from him. Recovered about 3 years later. He never claimed it, so now I think it is a manhole cover.
Would be nice to see you do a video cleaning and tuning up the Kel-Tec.
That like driving from Florida to California in a 1998 Dodge Neon 😂😂
Good video, highlights maintenance. I shoot a magazine (BG380) & clean mine every week or two.
I shot about 300 rounds through my PF9 when I first got it. I disassembled it, cleaned and lubed it pretty liberally before my first time shooting it. I have had no failures at all. Do not dry fire this pistol without spent cases or snap caps. As far as I'm concerned its a great little CCW Pistol.
I trust and carry a hi point c9,I know it works because I maintain and shoot regularly,however even when she's really dirty I know shel run too...great video,I looked at the kel tec pf9 the other day ,pretty sure it's going to be my next carry gun..subscribed 😎👍
Does anyone know any good attachments for the pf9. I have been looking but no luck
I had one Kel-Tec PF-9 I shot it every weekend for about 3 or 4 months the gun never gave me an issue my biggest screwup was when my friend ask to buy it
I know I'm late to the party but just put some mods on mine from MCARBO then took it to the range and it shot as accurately as my Glock 43x. I was shocked and impressed. I do know this pistol needs polishing or Cerakote for long term carry but will maintain it happily until I have the slide Cerakoted.
3 Malfunctions in the first 4 mags, and you trust your family’s life with it? You should have taken care of that gun like your family's life depended on it! No excuse for poor maintenance on a carry gun.
True I think this is just an extreme test well maintaining a gun is the key to a good gun for CCW
I love my kel tec rdb. Shipped with a bad extractor spring. Replaced it with a heavy bcm extractor spring and have 700 rounds through it with 0 malfunctions.
I had one that would get at least one stove pipe or jam per magazine. I never could trust my life with that gun.
I don’t understand how people can claim that such a cheap gun is somehow better then, say, a Glock.
I had a PF-9 in the early 2000's, my brother had bought a Kimber Solo, last week his Solo slide locked up, cannot open the action. I sold my kel-tec to a cop friend who carries that PF-9 as a back up to this day. It has never let either of us down. It was a cheap purchase, but it has been a great little pistol!
The only experience I've had with Kel Tec is their KSG 12 gage and it loves to jam.
However, I've carried a Ruger SR40C in about the same way you carry the Kel Tec, but it doesn't rust, jam or miss fire. It's in a very inexpensive holster and is very comfortable.
I’m glad I went with the mossberg 590 shockwave it never jams ever but it’s fun to shoot
BTW, gun deals have 1000 rounds steel case tul ammo for $299, at least as of 5 hrs ago they did.
ew
Crazy
Last fall i got a few brass case 9mm for 179$ per case. How times have changed
@@nitemare5030 exactly, glad I bought 4 cases at that price. Gecko and S&B 124 grain.
I’ve never opened or even shot a Kel-Tek. I’m like about a million other people who switched to a p365 this year. I ran 600 rounds through it without cleaning or lubricating it. No failures. It is getting some surface rust on the spare mag from sweat. My previous piece was a g26, so the 365 is a nice upgrade for comfort IMO
get the g43x much better gun
I would like to see how the SCCY CPX 2 performs in the same situation with the same types of ammo used
PF9 was my first handgun purchase as an uneducated buyer and shooter about 8 years ago. 2 magazines of factory brass cased 115 grain ammo was enough to crack the barrels locking lug. Handgun was replaced by Keltec and I then sold it without firing.
8 years later with some pistol classes taken, IDPA matches, work as an RSO and Instructor all under my belt and now the Glock 43 is what I carry and what I recommend to fill the role described by the poster of this video.
For the sake of you and your family, please retire that PF9 😁
I bought one back in 2016 and it didn’t work well out of the box. Surprised yours works as will as it does all rusty and neglected.
I have a Keltec P32. Only shoot a couple magazines per year through it and at best clean it every couple years. Pistol has been accurate and reliable. Used to work Saturdays at a local gun shop. We sold a fair number of Keltecs, particularly in 380acp. Don't recall them coming back with service problems. Keltecs makes good pistols at affordable prices.
Had my PF9 for several years now, bought it used from a guy who said it was broken. I swear the Dude was one of those people who should never own a gun period. The broken piece was the slide had locked back on him after shooting the first magazine. He couldn’t figure out how to drop the slide. 🤦🏼♂️ It’s never had an issue. Shoots everything I feed it.
That is classic!!!!
Just pulled my PF-9 out ..It had a fuzz ball in the barrel ...Been so long since it was cleaned it took me a minute to remember how to pull the slide lock pin out..
Why not get a used pf9 for a backup?
Here in Washington State, try the Sig P365XL, 12rd capacity , love mine!
I clean and lube my guns a lot... the ones I carry weekly the ones I take to the range... when I do so. lol
I had a pf9 years ago when I started carrying but would jam occasionally so I sold it and bought a ruger lc9s and never looked back. Although currently I've been carrying a sig p320x I might go back to a compact for better conceal
I don't use leather - promotes rust. I maintain my PF9 and it just goes BANG - never a bobble. Very reliable micro-pistol.
In the same class, I really like my walther pps m2. The only complaint anyone has is the weight, but I calms it down a little and makes it nicer to shoot. Another option is the sig p365, similar size with more rounds
Bersa bp9cc. 8+1 single stack 9mm good sights great trigger full hand grip (no floating pinky) Last I looked around $300. Had it for 9 years. 100% Reliable with everything but Winchester white box.
I have a pf9. Have never had a problem. Want to upgrade but can’t justify it. I do clean and lube mine and run a mag or 2 through it every couple of months. If you take care it. It will take care of you
I’ve owned several KelTec firearms, a couple 3AT’s, a couple 32’s and a PF9. I only ever had trouble with one 3AT when I took it to the range for the first time, the trigger broke on the first shot on the inside. Returned it to my dealer, he sent it back but I didn’t want it anymore. That being said, I would still buy KelTec products. I didn’t like my PF9, but maintenance is key to any firearm you carry daily, I check mine (G43) every evening and wipe it down with a rig rag. Glad all yours needed was a little TLC.
I believe that if you’ve owned that gun for 14 years and are happy with it, buy another, send that one to KelTec for a “once over” and you’ll have yourself a “two is one, one is none” option, just in case.
I put an eraser size piece of rubetex (Foam rubber) glued behind the trigger I pull the trigger to till it touches the rubber then squeeze off for fine aiming. I bought mine way back when also. I painted the slide to help keep it from rusting. I've never had issues with the gun. I did upgrade about 3 years ago to a Kimber with crimpson laser grip....Old eyes and low light.
Canik Elite SC. Subcompact. Pretty darn awesome. You should definitely look into it. And see what it comes with right out of the gate
Don’t know if I can still find a pf9
Never had any issues with my Kel Tec pistols. I do routine cleaning and lubricate. The 380 version is so small and light, so easy to carry.
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You deserve better my man.
Kahr makes good pistols in this size class. I have a CM-9 which is smaller and that's my pocket carry pistol. Next size up is the CW-9
Kahr CW9 is a perfect CC auto. Got two, one for myself and one for my daughter. Got a CW45 but haven't shot nearly as much as the CW9.
Nothing sexier than a kimber raptor 2 in stainless.
Check out the S&W Shield - nearly the same footprint and might even fit your holster!
No way a Shield fits his holster. A Shield is way bigger than a PF9 !
I had their P3AT in .380 for a few years... Never had a problem with it. I sold it to upgrade to my now Glock 27.
I have a P-11 that I have used for years. I have put some Mcarbo parts in it. I trust it. I like the double 11:12 stack for more capacity. I have a belt clip for it to be carried Iwb. A modified Keltek trigger shoe helps ease the trigger pull.
Ha. The PF9 and P3AT were both copied by Ruger and became very popular. We know them as the LC9 and LCP.
I am on my 2nd Kel-Tec P11 (the first one was stolen about 3 years ago. It’s the double stack version of the PF9. They even use the same barrel. The current one is a hard chrome slide, slide lock and takedown pin.
I like it because it was built around the S&W 59/69xx series of handguns, as was the Marlin Camp 9 Carbine (which I also have).
The P11 has been copied by a few manufacturers. One of which is SCCY Firearms on their CPX-1 generation 1. I am on the second one of them too as the first one was stolen at the same time as the Kel-Tec.
The P11 was discontinued last year.
Have you considered the Glock 48 or 43x?
I had a pistol in a toolbox (locked inside a case). A bottle of water got thrown in the box and was crushed, all the water ran down inside the case and now my slide and controls look like yours.
Maybe you should do a video on rust removal and refinishing. I'm thinking of giving mine a paint job.
I’ve been extremely happy with my Ruger LC9s Pro. With night sights it’s a fantastic carry. Conceals very well and I’ve never had a single malfunction since owning it. I keep thinking I should get a P365 or a 43x but then I remember how great my LC9s has been and I stick with old faithful.
stay away from the original 365, go for the xl. the bit of extra size isnt noticeable concealing but it shoots so much better.
I was going to get one, then Ruger stopped making them in favor of the cheaper version.
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All the gun love that shot 50 rounds through it flawless it was cheap CCI aluminum cased ammo. Went back out about a year later tried out again and it wouldn't extract brass case rounds doubled up my extractor spring and never had a single problem later after that. Limp wristing is a problem with these small pistols and the deviled extractor spring seem to cure that also. At the range a guy with a Ruger LC9 was having limp wrist issues also.
So is the next video going to be about re-bluing a slide?
Hahaha! It should be...
I also would like to see that. I just received a PF9 that was in the same condition and I am taking my first leap on complete takedown and cold bluing. So far all parts are looking great. Last part is the slide. Fingers crossed it comes out looking decent.
I had a PF-9 that was never fully reliable, even after going back to KT when the hammer pin began to walk out. Recoil on this light gun was sometimes enough to walk bullets out of the cartridge in the magazine if they weren't well-crimped, as well. I wouldn't feel safe carrying one, particularly a neglected one. A Glock 43 has served me much better, and been easier to shoot accurately and quickly.
My girlfriend's dad gave her a PF9 and she never got to shoot it, puked up its firing pin on the 5th dry fire.
I’ve had some hit or miss experiences with Kel Tec. I first bought a P3AT that was a total hunk of junk. 3 trips in a row back to Kel Tec and they still couldn’t get it to function so the gun store felt bad and let me trade it in towards a Kahr PM9 and they sent it back for a 4th time to Kel Tec. I ended up picking up a Ruger LCP later on that has been 100% flawless and is my EDC. To me it’s a lot more refined version of the P3AT.
I then picked up (and still own) a P32 that has been 100% flawless.
I also got a Sub2000 9mm (Glock 17 mags) that I still own. I couldn’t get it sighted in at 25 yards as it wouldn’t even hit the paper and the sight was maxed out all the way to one side. I sent it back to Kel Tec and they replaced the barrel and it works great now. At 75 yards and under it works great.
I bought a PF9 back in 2009 as my first easily concealable handgun after carrying a government sized 1911 for several years. I really liked it for its light weight and small form factor compared to the competition in 9mm. It WAS reliable for years until sometime around 2012 when the magazine release wore out and actually sheered off so that the magazine would drop out of the gun when fired. I called Kel-Tek and they sent me replacement parts that I installed myself and the gun was again reliable but I just didn't fully trust it anymore. Lucky for me that S&W had just released their M&P Shield in 9mm and while it was slightly heavier it wasn't by much. I put my name on a waiting list and received one of the first examples I could get my hands on. I've been carrying it ever since. My PF9 was sold shortly thereafter. I still have a fondness for that little handgun but I feel much more confident in trusting my life to the Shield.
And check on the Sig p365 and Kusiak holsters.
My wife is a leather crafter, and I'm still buying my holsters lol
I'd like to get a P-32. Otherwise, I don't have or carry single stack 9's. My usual EDC is a Ruger LCR revolver
I own two PF9's both had their slides crack and were replaced and both are flawless now. The slide has a tendency to crack on the right side where the slide stop engages. Right in the corner. Check your pistol. Send the slide to kel Tec and they will replace the slide barrel and recoil springs under their warranty. If your gun is old and has lots of ammo through it I would check that area for a small hairline crack.
Never heard of that before, I'll pass that along thanks
Try sig p365/hellcat or p365xl or walther pps. But many, clean it and keep it functioning if ur gonna carry it!
I have a kel tec p11 and it's not bad. Not the best with the way the firing pin hits
Causes my wrist and hand to shake a bit kind of killing high accuracy. It's a dump into center of mass type of gun for sure. I don't use +p ammo in it because it becomes a handful. I use standard pressure 124 grain gold dots for defense
My only gripes with the PF9 is A- Rust. B- trigger stroke and reset. If you need to pop 'em off quickly, the trigger doesn't reset because of the length of the stroke. This could be a real issue in a gunfight. I have all the KT pistols and they are all rusted. lol, I may try refinishing them with 'Duracoat" spray.
You can't expect a gun to work without regular maintenance.
You need to update you edc and try using a thumbs forward grip. Your holding it like you would a revolver.
Not in the class, but the cz75d is the most comfortable handgun I've held. Which is why it became my carry gun
I think you and your gun need more range time. Since ammo supply should not be a problem for you, I think at least once or twice a month is appropriate. Neglect allows both your gun and you to get rusty. I enjoy watching your videos on reloading, have learned much. Thank you.
Totally agree!
I think a good bit of some of people's reliability issues with this gun is the fact that it is a full power 9mm that weighs almost nothing. I love that holster. Do you have a website?
Did work on Harleys in the early days. Ques who was working on his bike on the side of the road....... its like you. Working on nice guns but the gun you might need is rusty and dry as a bone. But then when I was alowed to carry its gonna be a 1911 in .45. And wel lubed and cared for.........
Sig Sauer P365. I carry the SAS and absolutely love it. While it isn’t a traditional single stack, it also isn’t considered a double stack. Better described as a “staggered stack”??
My next suggestion would be the Springfield Armory Hellcat. It too is a “staggered stack” magazine.
sobering to say the least. I think we all learned something about how we care for and practice with our EDC guns.
Sig P938 or Kimber Micro 9 - single action cocked and locked!
Do you pick up your brass for reloading?
You bet I did!
SIG P365. Small as the Keltec but with 10 rounds. Fits in your pocket.
At 4:11 immediately after that shot, lead came back at you. You can see it hit the ground about 4 -6 feet in front of his legs.
I shoot my Charter Arms Bulldog at least once a month and give it a good cleaning. Practice is key with small framed revolvers. I also shoot my carry ammo, I know every gun expert says not to carry your own reloads, but I’ve never had a misfire with my cartridges, I have had misfires with factory ammo.
Seen the KelTec's in the gun stores but nothing has yet been something I would want to own or trust my safety to.....although the new bullpup shotgun is looking like a possible candidate just based on the alien space marine design factor.
G48 is my go to
My PF9 has been 100% reliable for over 4 years. But, I didn't neglect it like you did. I blow the pocket lint out every Sunday and clean and lube it about once a month. It has had a steady diet of 124 gr Gold Dots and never hiccuped.
I love the p365 XL
Been carrying a Glock 26 with Hyve +2 extensions for years. Never had a single failure. It doesn't care about dirt, sweat, or lube. The number of failures you had in this video is unacceptable for my standards.
Don’t fool yourself the glock will fail too if neglected to this degree. My gen 4 19 has failed on multiple occasions when I intentionally neglected maintenance and lubrication. I had a co worker that claimed Glocks were the perfect handgun and didn’t require maintenance. I proved him wrong.
@@richardsveum8452 Dont get me wrong I've completely destroyed 3 Glocks in my lifetime. I know that they are far from perfect.
@@captaingrey6336 How did you do that????
@@taylorgoertler8742 They were issued with a lot of +P+ ammo. I was trying to prove a point.
Oh god another Glock Snob....I don't want a Glock anymore than I want an Izod shirt or an iPhone. Fad crap, and nothing special about them. Are they decent weapons? Yes, but I really wish people would quit fawning all over them, they are not special and all you are doing is driving your prices up. I would never care to own one myself...
Walther PPS is a great single stack carry piece.
Carry the 11 as a back up, never have an issue with it
I had a Kel-Tec PF9 that was my EDC for about 10 years but then it quit working right. I sent it back and they repaired and sent it back but it really never worked right after that. My issue was that the trigger would pull the hammer back but not release it so no "bang"! Today my EDC is an LCP-II but Im looking at a Springfield Range Officer Operator 9mm. Bigger and heavier but so sexy, just like me Ha Ha!
The pf9 eats anything. It took a box or so to loosen up and still works great after 500 or so rounds.
Why wouldn’t you carry 115 grain 9mm ammo? Just curious, no judgement.
Handguns need every fps they can get since they're so marginal to start with.
I've always been skeptical of Kel Tec, but gave the PF9 serious consideration before buying a Kahr CM9. The CM9 has run 100% for me always. It has a very long smooth trigger pull, but it's so different from everything else I shoot that I'm concerned about my accuracy because it always takes some getting used to - to re-acquaint myself to that long trigger. Still, it's more accurate than I expect of it, given the short barrel. I also have a Ruger LCP II. Though it has an absolutely excellent trigger, I find that I don't carry it because I don't trust .380. I'd rather carry something heavier that I trust. Once the current market calms down, I'll look at a Sig P365.
Burning up the 9mm to make the Poor's scream! Time for a new carry gun, Gavin. Check out the G3 or the shield if you want to stay under 400.