LC9 vs PF9
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- čas přidán 1. 03. 2011
- Showing, shooting, & comparing two very popular little 9mm pistols: the
Ruger LC9 and the Kel-Tec PF9.
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@gunnut8 , I wasn't implying that I'd affect sales by making negative comments, and I don't care or know much about other videos that might not agree. I just know my own experience with stuff. :-)
Nobody talks about the fact that Kel-Tec innovated in every single way, and all Ruger did was make exact copies of their designs and sell them for a higher price. It's easy to spend all your time on refining a great design when you don't have to do any of the heavy lifting of actually designing it. Ruger is a much larger company, so they can afford to have better quality control. Kel-Tec is tiny, and still manages to beat the big guy. Not to mention the fact that Ruger models are overloaded with safeties, and Kel-Tec is a straight up, no bones about it firearm. Go ahead, and knock Kel-Tec all you want. If it wasn't for them, Ruger wouldn't have the lineup of guns they do today. Why praise the imitator when you could reward the innovator and get them to the level of the big boys?
PF9s have a history of unreliability whereas the LC9 does not. That's all there is to it.
Good call. I've got 1000 rds. through mine(daily carry), and I haven't had any issues. Lots of Kel-Tec bashing here, by folks who admittedly don't use one.
Ruger is pretty famous for that. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and you know that if Ruger had to rip off a design, it was a good design.
Bfresh99 Can't agree with you there. I carried a PF-9 for a couple of years. Kept dumping ammo through it hoping it would "break in" and quit jamming. It got worse the more I shot it. Finally dumped it a a gun show and bought an LC9. The Ruger has been outstanding and is now by EDC. I'm glad to hear your PF-9 has been good for you and I hope you get many years of service out of it. Just saying my experience was much worse than yours.
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Sorry to hear about your experience with the PF-9. Glad to hear you upgraded to a Shield. My nephew has one and let me shoot it. Outstanding pistol.
Thanks for the review. Your reviews are AWESOME. Love watching them. Every time I go to purchase a firearm I end up watching your reviews. Very in depth, reasonable, impartial and just overall great.
@monsterman27 , After operating both even a short time, there's no question in my mind that the Ruger is more of a quality piece. It still comes down to your needs, though.
Alright, amigos, I can't comment on the Ruger because I don't have one. I do deep carry a PF-9 and have had no difficulties with feed or mags. I do have a theory, however. Being a small weapon with lots of recoil a big fellow like kickok45 hits the mag release because his hands do not have room for a different grip. If you have feed problems you are limpwristing the gun. It means you either have problems with your grip or you are not as experienced as you think you are. As you can see hickok has no feed problem because he provides a stable platform. After watching this I began to take extra notice of hand placement to not only avoid hitting the release but also to prevent riding the slide, another problem with small guns. Other than that it really depends on budget and bias. If it is all you have you will shoot it a lot and become proficient.
Love my PF9...I must have got lucky and got a good one. It has fired around 500 rounds without one single failure. My father has a LC9 and his gun has had no malfunctions either.
Thanx buddy. Got my kel tec pf9 brand new at shop $280. Seen same one at gun show $250.
This review is exactly what I needed. Thanks Hickok45!
Thank you Hickok for being a great teacher.
Firstly, I really appreciate your videos. They are informative, unbaised and you share a wealth of firearms knowledge with the general public. I have owned both the PF9 and the LC9S Pro. I eventually sold the LC9S Pro and kept the PF9. While I liked the Ruger, it had several feed issues and also shot grossly low from the point of aim by me and several other people who tried it. When I had the two to compare side by side, I loved the lower weight of the PF9 and also the feel of the gun. The Ruger is very slippery and does not offer good checkering around the entire grip as you mentioned. To date, I have put around 1000 rounds through my PF9 and it functions flawlessly. I added a Northwood Anodized Trigger to my PF9 and couldn't be happier with it's performance.
Excellent comparison, really first-rate stuff Hickok! Thank you.
Hickok your the best for making these videos. I ended up buying the keltec pf9 for 100$ used but in very good condition and it's become my daily concealed carry. I absolutely love this gun and its especially good for me because i have small hands.
Great info. pretty much everything i needed to hear. thanks! keep the vids coming.
I’ve had my Keltec for more than 5yrs now... over 500 rounds... No failures! 👍🏻😊👍🏻 Managing the “kick” takes practice though... But loving it as an EDC.😊
@kaaajeee , The baby Glocks are in a different class. They are thicker but easier to shoot well. These guns will serve the purpose pretty well, but the Baby Glocks are essentially as effective as any full-size firearm.
@Muggsmeister , The PM9 is my favorite of the three.
I always love your videos. They help me so much!
Thanks for another great review hickok45!
27:35 I can guarantee anyone who has gone this far in this video does not consider you a nerd for going into such detail.
The Ruger seems to be worth the added cost, based on the reliability point alone. I also like the safety point on the Rugers. I also like the chamber loaded indicator. It's a nice feature to have in the dark.
excellent comparisons and reviews.... really good info here about this as always. thank you! BTW: i really like these comparison videos.... tells a lot side by side which is what i really really like! thanks!
thank u for the video I got the keltec and so far a dam good lil gun
Gregg, love your review here, well done. Do more
Carried the Ruger as my daily for almost 10 years. Probably 2000 rounds through it. Finally sheared a firing pin the other day. I feel like I can't be mad after all that.
Irony being the PF9 is my backup
Thanks for the video! Which helped me make my decision to go with the Ruger. I personally like the loaded chamber indicator. This comes in handy if you lose round your count and/or are in the dark and am unsure if you have a round in the tube. My manual safe is nice and light on my LC9,. I'm old school so I do use the safety from time to time depending on the holster I'm using. I guess I have short thumbs but I can easily reach the mag release on the LC9. I'm not crazy about the magazine disconnect but I can live with it because the gun has a good ergonomic fit for me, its a 9mm, it shoots well, has had 0 firing issues, is not to small nor to big, its dependable with a good warranty. On the other side I have yet to hold one Kel-tec that felt good in my hands. Also I have had one issue in past where a magazine was released at a bad time. Therefore, I will not take a chance on that happening to me again which Hickok 45 noted can be a problem with the PF9. That's my 2 1/2 cents.
i have a keltec as my ccw and love it very light and concealable. Hickok45 ur video are very helpful and great to watch
Of the three I am most often asked about, I personally rank them this way: 1. PM9, 2. Ruger LC9, 3. PF9
LC9 is a great little pistol...
No regrets.
Keep up the vids hickok45. Among the best reviewers around....
Thanks!
Hell of an objective review! A+
Thanks Greg!
PF9... 150 rounds so far and zero failures. I have not hit the mag release accidentally either. Also, my two magazines will easily accept 7 rounds. Love the gun so far!
I recently won a pf9 and just bought some parts from MCARBO to take care of the spots you mentioned and a few others. I'm excited to see how they transform this little pistol.
Very good fair review. Thanks Hickok.
I always enjoy your videos this is one of them
Thank you for your work sir.
Great video, you answered a lot of my questions.
A little work with an emery board on the tip of the trigger and a Hogue handall jr grip to lessen the recoil a bit might sway you towards the Pf 9. I have no problem getting 7 rounds in my Kel Tec mags nor does my mag auto release when empty. Mine is about 8 months old and I'm very happy with it for the use I purchased it for. Thanks for another great vid. J R
According to industry insiders, Kel-Tec's patented AMR system was originally designed to use retinal scanning technology coupled with grip surface conductivity sensors to initiate the automatic magazine release, but that would have made the PF9 too costly to compete with Ruger's LC9.
We asked and again you deliver. thanks again for ANOTHER great video. Now we need to throw the pm9 in the mix
I must say Hickok45 that your channel is one of the best.
Great video. Thanks for posting. The first thing I did when I bought my LC9 was to remove the stupid magazine disconnect.
Thanks for doing the review
They’re both very good quality guns and for the price cant beet it, but I purchased a KelTec PF9 awhile back and I’ve been very pleased with it. The reason why I went with the KelTec is for the price and it has a accessory rail.
Great video as usual, thanks again!
Great video Hickok!
Great vid as always Hickok, I send my sympathy about Gunner, he was a beautiful pup
We asked and again you deliver. thanks again for ANOTHER great video.
just bought my LC9 today im so excited!
Bought my Pf9 off gun broker, brand new, for $155. Absolute no brainer. Not one issue in 3 years.
been waiting for a vid like this thanks hickok!
Thanks great explanation. Pushing in the pin until it clicks helped!
Thanks for comparing these two, chief. "When Hickok45 speaks, people listen." Used to be E.F. Hutton catchphrase. LOL
By the way, I did receive from Kel-Tec yesterday (3-5-11) the supposed fix on the mag release. The instructions for replacement are a full page of very small print from a bad copier that I can barely read. There appears to be about 40 steps outlined. I'll try to get motivated to read this thing and tackle the job one day soon.
Great video! Any chance you will do a review of the Kel-Tec P11? I have an upgraded one (nickle boron slide with an od green grip) and I love it!
I admire your ability to exercise tact in your responses to the general public. Happy shooting hickok!
Yes, I kept the Ruger and sent them a check.
I own an LC9S and had a problem with the magazine release spring. It was not strong enough to hold the magazine in place. The magazine kept falling out of the pistol. I sent it to Ruger and they replaced the spring free of charge. It works great now.
On my PF9 the mag holds 7 rounds you may want to take the mag apart and see what is in there. It is a great weapon.
Ive been torn between these for a while. Going to the gunstore next week and I think its just gonna come down to which feels the best in hand.Thanks for another good review.
great review, best ive seen yet
See FAQ videos.
I really enjoyed this video, I have an lc 9 and was always curious as to have the keltec stacked up to the Ruger.. And I hate that looooong trigger pull. lol
Another VERY informative vid ... thank you.
Thank you Hickock...this was a great, unbiased video review. Considering what is tested here I will be purchasing a PF9 with a mag release upgrade. I don't have hand sausages as big as yours, so the trigger guard will not be an issue. Ruger as well as some other manufacturers have gone overboard with safety features trying to compensate for owners lack of responsibility and firearms safety. Not that it is a bad thing to be "safe," but common sense plays a huge role. Thank you, so much for another honest review!
I have the P 11 has my back up firearm. I have a friend that had the Rugger, so I have shot both. It's hard to which is better. At 25 yards, shooting center mass, no one can complain. Of course they are for close range. I'll stay with the Kel Tec since I own it. Great video and thanks.
Hi, Great video, as always, I have a Glock 23, that I carried at work for 20yrs, never a prop, I bought a PF9 when I retired, but just never trusted it Jam issue, I sold it along with my p3at, and bought a Ruger LCP, many rounds and never a fail, as a result I carry the g23 as I have the ultimate confidence in it and from time to time the LCP...I would not own another kel tec...
+Fred Dobbs I forgot to say last week I got an sw shield, great little 9mm, and a good replacement for the pf9, no jamming at att, very soft shooter...
Love watching your videos!! 👍
Great video thanks for this review... I shot a LC9 today at my local range... They do not have a PF9 range gun so I can't compare them. This video was helpful thanks!
Hickok45, great review. The thin, small, single stack 9's are very popular. I loooked at both but settled for the Beretta pX4 storm 9mm sub-compact. In the genre of Glock 26, HDm sub-compact, etc.....
I have no problem putting 7 rounds in any of the 4 mags for my PF9, un-modded, out of the box. Just felt it worth the mention. Great review.
@Hickok45 I have carried the pf9 for years. I put Talons on it because you always spoke highly of them. They make ns for them and have trigger upgrades for it but on a defensive gun I'm not altering any triggers with a lighter pull. Pretty much a get off me gun. In shooting it I feel its a point and fire weapon. I'd be happy with a trench style setup on it but its a great companion especially in the summer. It just disappears very well! Nice review as always sir!
@norocksinfl , We have an UPdate video on the new cameras.
Safety is the most important thing when it come to weapons IMO. You can always choose to leave the safety off if you really need the extra 0.1 second to not actuate it. But to be able to make a weapon SAFE from fire when in my pants (using inside pants holster) is priceless.
I think another point towards the pf9 is the fact that you can get entire grip assemblies with internal parts for 34$ from KT, so you could always try your hand at stippling or modding a spare...food for though. I'm thinking maybe spare frame, heat gun, expanding trig guard...at least its cheap to replace if you screw up, thats what I like about it.
Cool comparison demonstration.
i had the same issue with a extra mag i bought for my kel tec. i took the mag apart and and had to reseat the spring and that fixed the problem. its a good gun for the money
Just bought the LC9 with Crimson Trace Laser - LOVE IT!
I have both a Ruger LCP and LC9. The LC9 is marginal pocket carry, especially with the mag finger extension, which tends to get caught when removing the pistol from a front pocket. That being said, it has acceptable hitting power, and I LIKE the idea of having a loaded chamber with a safety. The safety is wide and sturdy enough and after being used during the break-in period (about 200-250 rounds), is acceptably easy to engage/disengage. However, I usually carry the LCP due to its size.
I carry an LCP with a round in the chamber otherwise it will jam. I attached the laser and it improves the handling and the accuracy.
Great demonstration on both handguns.
I picked up the Ruger LC9 today. I like it a lot. I have big hands and the pistol fists real well in it. It shoots real well. I put 60 rounds thought it and first a 10ft and the hold is where you point it. At 21ft you have to hole a little high to get it is the "X" say the 8 ring. I had no problems with the recoil. The tiger is is very long. The break is all the way back. If you shoot Glocks, it will take some getting use to. Good gun. Thanks Mr Hickok for the review. Your why I got it.
Nice review! It would be interesting to see a similar video wit the LC9 and Kahr PM9
Hickok, I own the PF9 and have no problems with the mags. I would suggest that you send your gun back to Kel Tec. They will fix the problem. Also the mags should all hold 7 rounds with no problem. The springs may be tight. If after leaving them filled for a couple of week they do not loosen up send them back also. BTW Kel Tec has fantastic customer service.
Thanks Hickok. I've been waiting for this video. Looks like my first choice is the right one...pf9. I thought the LC9 would be a better trigger but I was wrong apparently.
Hey Hickok45,
After countless hours researching the PF9, I decided to just buy it the moment I saw it available. When I snagged the chrome model, I went straight to the range to break it in and to have fun with my brand new G27. 150+ rounds and the PF9 ate every load from Winchester crapbox to Federal to Golden Sabre to +P loads. Not one failure. The G27 had one FTE. I guess I should dump the Glock right lol? Of course I kid, the Glock kicks ass.
Keep the vids coming-great job!
I'm really excited to get my Ruger LC9 on Monday after work, it'll be the first handgun I've ever owned! I can't wait to take it to the range and break it in!
I really appreciate your reviews. The one thing you mentioned about the trigger guard size on the KelTec is the difference of the front end size in front of the trigger. I think the main reason for the shortening is the tactical rail put on the front end. I don't use my rail, but it's nice to have the option; I think that Ruger's theory is to make you buy a specialized part (i.e. laser, etc).
I own both but carry the Kel tec. It just conceals better, just a little lighter. I have recently purchased a Kel tec 32acp I love it ! It's even lighter and smaller. Both Ruger and Kel Tec's are very good guns but that few ounces makes a difference. If you carry all the time you understand .
I've watched a couple of your videos now and I must say I am very jealous of your range. I noticed it looked a lot like home, then later found out it sure is Tennessee. I hope to find a sweet spot like yours in the future
@hickok45 , Thanks for commenting on my question. I also own a 92FS and agree with you completely. The G26,27,19, and 23 are in my opinion as well .... the best of the best.
I'm sorry for the translation. Thanks for the videos, they are very good.
I just have to say I think everyone loves you and your vids, your alll american and you have great vids... Keepem coming because i know I I will watchem. Thanks
thanks for comparing Hickok
no nerd taken, you know your ABC's and do a great review. keep going 45!
@decoder61 , I didn't get that much difference on my scales.
The magazines for Kel-Tec are made by Mec-Gar. If you take it apart and rotate the spring so that when you re-insert it, the part that was facing the front now faces the back, you will most likely be able to load that 7th round. Every now and then, a magazine spring is inserted backwards and will not allow the follower to fully retract.
I like the kel tec p11. Double stack so it has a little wider grip, and I have 12 rnd mags for it. I just wish it had the pf9's rail.
I have both guns and trust both of them with my life every fun can malfunction even a Glock and I have plenty of glocks, Sig's,xds Springfield and so on and carry them all it depends how I dress my preferred carry is my glock 19 gen 5 and my Kel tec pf9 or p11 no problems at all and I had my pf9 and p11 for almost 5 years no problems at all and remember every gun is going to perform different.
Great video! Thanks!
@762BR , That came to me soon after I said it that it had to be millions, of course.
hey Hickok45, I really like when you go though the guns and compare two very simulate guns and do a price point every once in a wail.
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@purkjason , I'd much rather have the G26; it's big enough to carry into battle, as far as I'm concerned. I'd rather have it as my sidearm if I were in the military than the Beretta 92. These guns in the video are smaller / thinner, though, and they serve a slightly different purpose.