Jonathan Coachman On Vince McMahon Yelling At Commentators
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- čas přidán 15. 11. 2023
- Former WWE commentator and backstage interviewer Jonathan Coachman joins Chris to discuss his memories of Vince McMahon screaming at commentators during live WWE broadcasts.
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The irony of Vince screaming, "You're killing his character" .
As if the fans, oh, I'm sorry......the WWE Universe would know what Vince intended. Doesn't matter what words are said. If they like the character, they like him/her. If they don't, they don't. Vince's words or the commentator's words aren't going to change the minds of "The WWE Universe".
@@JoeR203true, but it still is a factor that matters in order to tell a story or make a certain Wrestler look and sound strong. Commentary is everything, wrestling would be so weird and lame without any commentary
@@el1andonly296 I've never been to a live WWE show but from what I understand live attendees don't hear commentary so...
@@JoeR203people are easily manipulated
I'm pretty sure the reason they say "local medical facility" is actually because when they'd say "hospital" there would be people who would actually go to the nearest hospital to see the wrestler
Lmfao yes this logic is perfect
But a state has many different hospitals so how would they know which one if they just say hospital
It's the whole "555" thing in films and TV shows.
@@Megatron4699 *slaps head* That's the point! Do you want any hospital to have some rando crazy fan cause a scare?
There are still more than 1 hospital per town
Love how Coach still calls the wrestlers "superstars" lol
Its still ingrained into him. He's scared he's gonna get fined still
@@mcq2879 Hahaha exactly! Must have been exhausting dealing with Vince
They are superstars thou and wrestlers.
@@theman6705it’s still real to you, huh…
Y do u love that?
LMFAO @ "YOU JUST KILLED HIM!!!'...I can totally picture & hear Vince screaming that thru the earpiece
AS GOD AS MY WITNESS YOU JUST BROKEN THIS CHARACTER IN HALF COACH!
That's how overly dramatic Vince was. It doesn't matter if things were going smoothly. If it wasn't exactly how he wanted it, Vince would deem it a near failure.
Coach was so good at playing the heel commentator, but based on this interview, he seems like the coolest guy. 😊
my man is traumatized that’s why he mentally blocked out years of his life jfc 😂
Can’t even blame him 🤣🤣🤣
I gotta imagine it was stressful as hell every night. Not just the moment he's yelling at you as you're trying to deliver commentary. But knowing any little thing said can make vince blow his top at anypoint. So just a constant state of walking on egg shells, while trying to stay in your own character as the commentator. Sounds terribly stressful.
i think he means he blocked out the things you weren't supposed to say because he was so immersed in WWE lingo, because obviously you don't even wanna think about the words you can't say -- like he still uses "superstars" without even thinking about it
Vince is a bully
Come on out you rrrrr
Being a wrestling fan in my 20s I used to always ask "Why doesn't (insert person) come back to the company for an apperance" or "(insert person) just abandoned all the fans". As a 40-year old whose worked in stressful jobs now I fully understand. Money notwithstanding who wants to put themselves into an environment like that?
coach started acting like he had a laser sight on his forehead when he got asked about banned words lmao
It's insane how much Vince micro-manages things.
Yes, it's insane that an author cared about his stories being understood.
@@raveoreynolds6049 It's wrestling. It's not that complicated, but Vince often made it more complicated than it needed to be. The vast majority of the audience would neither have noticed nor cared about the petty details Vince would scream at JR and others about.
Can’t deny his results tho. None of us armchair critics can tell a billionaire businessman that we know more than them in terms of running their business lol. But this is the internet, the land of the armchair experts
There’s a reason Wwf wwe was so successful
@@Bubba__SawyerIf you watched attitude era ruthless aggression era to this era then yes clearly it’s that complicated.
Coach getting PTSD with the local medical facility line
he absolutely remembers what he wasn't allowed to say..
Coach was amazing. You loved to hate him back in the day, because he was so good at what he did.
The irony of Vince telling someone else that they’re ruining a character.
It's awesome how every single person that worked with Vince could do a spot on impression of him
Met Jonathan Coachman after a show in Finland 20 years ago. He was amazing towards all of the fans who were at the same hotel as the wrestlers. He actually gave us time and would talk to everyone. Classy guy! Will always remember how nice he was to us. 😊
He probably wanted some Finish 🌮
Don't call it a "Hospital". Call it a "Medical Facility"
Don't call them "Fans". Call them "The WWE Universe".
Don't call it a "Ferret". Call it the "Mustela putorius furo".
Don't call him Mustafa Ali just call him Ali
@@thedecipher346 And they wouldn't say "Moo-stah-fah", they pronounced it (after his return) "Moose-tuhfa".
1. Micromanaging at its extreme.
2. Reminds me Vince was once a commentator. Now he still is but as a puppet master.
And he was a dreadful commentator.
@@mathewbarrie nooooooo u
Coach probably heard in Vince’s pissed off voice…”You just smeared Shit all over the business!!!”
I feel bad for commentators in WWE as having an old man yell at you hrs on end must've drove them nuts.
Just another example of Vince's need to be in control of just about everything when the PPV's were in full swing. He really was a control freak. And yes, it basically was his company....but I've heard so many of the same familiar "tones of control" from others in the business who were raked over the coals by The Chairman of The Board. Quite comical to hear these stories now, but i'm sure at the time it was nerve racking for the workers who answered to Vince Jr.! Cheers To The CVV Community!
Glad he's gone
He gives wrestlers a lot of leeway in the ring. He was an announcer, and a really good one. That's why he micromanaged the announce table. He was genuinely better at that job than anyone else in the company.
@@redrick8900until PG Eras happening
@@redrick8900you are beyond retarded if you think Vince was good at being a commentator. Jim Ross would outdo him any day of the week and twice on Sunday
Vince ruined so many wrestlers. Karrion Kross, Keith Lee, shayna bazler, rusev, Braun strowman, riddle, Dolph ziggler and others. The fans loved them and it seemed personal that they got over without Vince or his crappy creative team.
Sounds like doing commentary is a frickin headache. This just makes me respect what they do that much more.
Commentators are definitely unsung
I haven’t watched wrestling in probably 15 years but man I find the business so fascinating as someone who idolized it during the 90s and 2000s. I love the interviews and BTS stuff, and how it was tan and what it was like.
I could not do commentary if somebody was yelling in my ear at the same time. I'm surprised that coach doesn't have a hearing problem lol.
Suprised he didn't tell them to say "What a maneuver!"
The Rock as commentator:
- "YOU JUST RUINED HIS C..."
- "KNOW YOUR ROLE AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!"
Guy hasn't aged looks the same as he did in early 2000s lol
Coach made a “Issac Yankem” joke in a Kane match. I think he got in trouble for it. He may be talking about that.
Now that you've mentioned it, I have heard WWE Universe instead of fans. I didn't know they replaced the word "fans" 🤣
This makes so much sense.Goddamn it
Thats how I felt at my barbershop music video when they fucked it up.
I'm curious about commentator experiences when Vince was in the ring doing something, and couldn't be in their ear.
Don't sell yourself short Coach! I know WWE never really used you to your potential, but I loved your work there and with ESPN/SportsCenter. The biggest problem you/Michael Cole/Tazz/others had, was the audience just loved the chemistry between JR and The King. It was a natural face/heel announcing combo, but even The King as a "heel" was hilarious and tongue-in-cheek and you could tell he and JR had tremendous respect for each others work and timing. They asked you to work face one week, heel the next ,then do backstage interviews, then be almost an intense bully worker, then be the butt of Rock's jokes, all in the same month. You rolled with it all, and I bet if they had it to do over again, they'd have picked you for the last 20 years instead of Michael Cole. I know I would lol.
I remember two occurrences where Vince (or whoever was in the headset) was kind of talked back to. Once by JR and another by Gene Okerland.
Vince should have just commentated since he wasn't happy with anyone's work. To be fair, I did actually think he was the most underrated commentator of the early 90s. He was great to listen to when I was a kid. Monsoon and Heenan became my favorite duo.
Jesse "the body" Ventura and monsoon are so underrated
Vince was great on commentary during the new generation era and the golden era
What a maneuver!
Vince was garbage on commentary.
@@mathewbarrie So what you are saying is that you know nothing about wrestling.
Shows how much of a micro managing LUNATIC Vince is, hire commentators but he has to tell them what to say. Even though JR would absolutely dwarf Vince in wrestling knowledge.
Sadly Wrestling Knowledge isn’t what makes you money in Vince’s eyes.
It’s not like they didn’t have a choice to work for him. It’s his company therefore his rules 🤷🏾♂️.
@@reallydude111 the guys still a loon, regardless.
The idea that JR knows more about wrestling than Vince McMahon is absurd.
@@redrick8900Vince wanted austin as the ringmaster and to not talk. He didn’t want Mick Foley who was responsible for him finally beating wcw in the ratings after getting destroyed for those famous 83 weeks. Didn’t think thebhardys or edge and Christian were worth the time. Didn’t believe the Dudley’s would get over. He didn’t see Ken Shamrocks vision to go back and forth with ufc and it would make his chAracter stronger yet down the line Brock could convince him. He was about to let John cena get fired and didn’t care lol he’s not as genius as everyone thinks some of it he lucked into. He knows his stuff but JR convinced him to take a chance on a lot of those people. Bret Hart even vouched for Austin and asked to work with him that’s how he got extra looks.
Paraphrasing Jim Ross
"On one side you have the fans yelling and cheering, then you have you're partner that you have to listen to and then you have Vince In your other ear screaming like a gargoyle"
Micheal Cole must have the patience of a saint 😇
I'd be fired within a minute of getting the job! Of course I'd never have gotten it anyway, but whatever.
At this point im happy to hear that Vince was still passionate about wrestling matches, characters, stories etc. After all he could've just chill in his room, order writers to do their job, approve/disapprove whatever they come up with and call it a day but he did care and wanted everything to unfold a certain way. I may not always like his booking but kinda i respect the fact that he cared about the details that HE thought would make the show better.
I can NEVER deal with someone like Vince McMahon without risking getting an assault charge on my record!
I understand. Producing a live television show is not for everyone.
@@lyandquinterosantana5770 How Jim Ross didn't take a swing at Vince is amazing
Johnathan coachman has great experience I’m sure wwe mend the bridges with him in a heart beat ?
I’ve always loved how ironic it is that Vince is a die-hard Republican, probably goes on about “cancel culture” and “woke culture” and all the things you can’t say anymore, but then his company is the most sanitised, over-censorious, authoritarian place you can imagine.
Commentary is so important for wrestling. It makes wrestling 100x more fun and entertaining. Watch a terrible promotion with shitty commentary and you can see how important commentary is.
♥️
I love hearing this. Coachman, kurt angle is very interesting on interviews. rather listen to all this than actually the talent.
Those "banned phrases" are basically gone now that Vince is mainly out of the picture. I hear them say "fans" all the time now.
Vince was like a backseat driver and has no faith to his workers. He should go back into the ringside and do the commentary himself just like the old WWF years.
its pretty funny seeing shitty energy drink cans likely from some sponsor sitting on the table unopened. they like "nah im good"
🗣🎙"Play it out... tell the story, play it, play it G*d d*mn it. -Vince McMahon 🤬
🎬🎞🎥Then, Now, Forever, Together!"
This is why the "Attitude era" was soo great because the censorship was minimal.
Coach doesn't sound a day older
Doesn’t look a day older as well
I wonder if they view "hospital" as a trigger word of sorts for people. Obviously not many fond memories happen in hospitals. Maybe "local medical facility" softens the blow? Just a guess.
It's probably more to stop fans from swarming hospitals to see an injured wrestler, especially when it isn't a real injury and it's a fake ambulance. Also to stop people from calling hospitals to see if a wrestler is there.
I've always heard its so that crazy fans don't go to the hospital nearest the arena and start looking for the wrestler.
Yeah, that's true, could be kids and crazy fans calling hospitals. I didn't think some people still take it that far, but maybe so.@@Phyrre56
@@loksoraldarkwatcher9598 yeah but "local medical facility" isn't gonna make people think a wrestler is anywhere but a hospital. Like where else could they possibly be taken too???
@@acecashman1237 An urgent care center.
Well about 07/08 the commentary in WWE would get worse every week to this point that I watch the shows with Spanish commentators because I didn't understand Spanish xD
He sounds extremely annoying
I once considered being a wrestler for WWE. But after the things I heard about Vince backstage, I'm glad I never did. Because I know I would have hated working with him. I'm calm most of the time. But I would have yelled right back at Vince. Wouldn't even care if it got me blacklisted in the wrestling industry.
CM Punk used to mute Vince
I would have actually watched WWE RAW IF they let the viewer hear Vince mcmahon screaming at the commanders 😆 🗣😳
How utterly surprising. 🙄
The "method to the madness" is about treating the commentators and wrestlers as puppets, pal.
I used to get a chuckle whenever people claimed that the Mr. McMahon character was the most evil human ever.
Dude. The actual person worse. Much worse.
It's almost like "WWF/WWE" is actually "VWE" (Vince Wrestling Association), given how much he attempts to control the product, as though he's "the only one" with any 'stake' in its' success (or, rather, perhaps, the "only one" who "can truly make it successful" b/c of his "genius" lol)
Vince should just do the commentary himself if he do0esn't trust anyone else and he's yelling the whole time anyway
Tbh. I got into WWE because of Vince. I was a kid, Wrestlemania 12, was not into wrestling yet but saw my uncles and cousins watching. I always remember HBK pinning Bret. Vince: WAN! TOE! YEAH! The boyhood dream has kam throw!
Why didn't he just do commentary himself lmao. Not to mention he was actually great at it too.
Yeah Vince is definitely one of my favourite guys on commentary
@@viewwithice4500why all he says is "unbelievable".."what a maneuver"
@@Sky_Blaze because i have watched full episodes of Raw and i hear Vince on the commentary table with Jr and King and i loved it
And that's wrong with wrestling today it's all about story when it should be all about wrestling like this ain't Hollywood
Bill Watts was the only person to stand up to Vince when he began reaming out everyone for his own screw up. He puts no faith in his employess, but expects blind, unquestioning loyalty from them.
too bad when he was in WCW Bill Watts was a dumb jackass
I’m not surprised Vincent is actually incapable of taking responsibility for the company he owns lmao.
Vince gives off evil vibes
So is Triple H the one now talking in the headsets or who is now? I quit watching way back when Austin had faded out
I (think) him for the main shows and Shawn Michaels for NXT.
i cant imagine....Heenan/monsoon/Ventura getting blasted about story and character and not being able to be themselves ....when did it become so micro-managed ?
The biggest issue with Vince’s WWE is that it wasn’t intended to tell stories. It was intended to make the investors happy and to sell merch. The stories were secondary, which is why Vince undercut the stories so often.
Coach definitely remembered what you couldn't say that was the biggest bunch of BS lol. He was just thinking one day he might go back.
You KNOW you're working for a terrible boss when the boss "sucks" at delegating so much to *properly-trained professionals under him* and, instead, he MICROMANAGES the fuck out of everything
Like... jesus h. christ. Yelling at commentators during commentary?
That's just fucking LOW. And abusive as all hell... No one should have to deal w/ that. If he can't even trust his "trusty commentators" to DO A GOOD JOB, on their own, either he didn't do his job, as a manager, or... he's just a POS who doesn't trust even his own people regardless. And if your manager "doesn't trust you", even w/ years of experience and a good job under your belt, wtf kind of shitty boss is that, honestly
Vince is going to hell. He ran so many wrestlers into the ground, after he used and abused them.
Cry
Everyone has their decisions to make. They chosen it.
@@veganpenguin9857simpleton
Hell ?? Don’t you believe in reincarnation, Vince will be reborn again into a whole new person and hopefully a poor one
He also abused women. But he's white and rich so he got away with it.
For a man supposedly never going back, Coach still toes that company line pretty strongly. It’s very interesting, and possibly very telling.
Verbal abuse in the workplace.
I mean... the guy actually *would have his team of "creative" GO TO HIS HOUSE in Greenwich*, every week or 2, to plan shit.
Not in the office
not even a nearby '3rd-party' facility
His HOUSE. on, like, a Sunday or some shit, I think
what the actual fuck
If my boss at any of MY jobs told me, "In order to do these OTHER job duties, you have to meet me, at my home, on the weekend, outside of work hours" I'd be like, "...what the fuck?"
Probably would quit shortly thereafter. No excuse for that crap
so unprofessional. Like, how is Vince "unable" to plan shit for matches, storylines and such *during work hours*??
lolol
They can't meet in a big, corporate office in their facility at Stamford? and hash things out
They don't have fans.
Medical facility pal! Superstar pal! Sports entertainment pal!
Just be like CM Punk and mute Vince.
Tony khan take notes rookie!
Wrestling , Wrestling is One of the words McMahon forbids the commentators , back stage interviewers and talent from ever saying on the shows . Vince McMahon , both Killed Pro Wrestling, and Made it into the Giant that it is today .
Seems like an impossible job. Idk how some have done it for so long
Vince is a lunatic
I don't envy these guys. Hopefully with Vince gone the commentators don't have to deal with this ridiculous micromanaging bullshit anymore. Anybody know if Vince was screaming like a lunatic at Jesse Ventura, Gorilla Monsoon, and Bobby Heenan when they were doing commentary?
Vince is a child.
The irony of all this is that Vince was easily the worst commentator IMO.
I guess doing commentary wasn't fun.
People like Tony Khan can learn a lot from Vince but it seems they try too hard to do the opposite and it backfires.
But yet when Vince was a commentator he made characters look dumb as anything 😂. Vince is such a narcissist, and such a hypocrite he should have stepped down a long time ago.
“There’s always a reason”. Is that reason usually because Vince is a weirdo?
these dudes are very creepy
Commentary has gone steadily downhill not up since Vince jr took over for Vince sr
Why can't you say fans?
Sounds like a horrible job
Vince is technically a successful businessman, but awful for the wrestling.
Thank goodness Vince is gone. What a toxic bastard.
Senile JR is not the greatest. He's a flop. Lawlwer carried him 100%.
Vince was one of the worst commentators
sounds exhausting. commentating is not that deep. i barely pay attention.
This guy interrupts his guest's too much
Your arms look weird in your profile pic
@@thard9989 the arm below my waist doesn't weird ask ya Muva
no, he doesnt
@@undertakerfanz628 yeah, get mad, dweeb 😆😂🤣
idiot