I don’t agree with Jordan being the goat if we’re using the ring argument i got bill for that and i always find it funny that how Jordan fans try to diminish his accomplishments by saying there were less teams and shorter people when Jordan didn’t even play against comp in the finals himself 🤔 he’s a guard he’s gonna shoot the ball more but to completely diminished bill’s accomplishment when he was at the start of basketball even beginning is beyond stupid and then y’all try to make it seem like Jordan had the craziest vertical with the best shooting stroke ever when he’s not even the greatest shooter or the best dunker It’s weird asf
I don't have a problem with the goat argument. I think when you're using the word "argument" you've already come to the table close minded. LeBron is a phenomenal athlete, but Jordan is the GOAT not just because of rings. Here is why- I'll keep it short: Only human to win a title and be the best offensive player in the league more than once. He did it six times. Only 5 other people ever have, but: - 6x Champion, 6x Finals MVP AND scoring Title in the same year. Six times!? -Shooting guard with a Defensive Player of the Year. - 9 times all defensive player (as a shooting guard) -Regularly slamdunks on 7 plus footers Lead the league in steals 3 times as a guard. - Averaged more points and assists than LeBron when they asked him to run point guard (position less basketball wasn't allowed by coaches back then) - Better true shooter than LeBron. (Check out basketball reference. LeBron is only a 34+% shooter farther than 3 feet from the basket. He got 50% fg percentage off dunks putbacks and layups, his most common shot. In fact, look at his Pistons vs Cavs game, the announcer even mentions LeBron is a below average shooter. This is said multiple times in his career mid-game.) Jordan shot the jumper at near 50%. - Jordan had six titles and two three peats at 34. - Finals APPEARANCES without WINS don't say you were the best in the WORLD, they unfortunately only say you were the best in the conference. I have long suspected that LeBron can't so easily beat the west. - Jordan was never a no-show in the finals and even averaged 40 for a series. LeBron has choked far too many times to be the standard that we measure all other players by to call him the goat. But. Man... LeBron is a baaaad mothatrucka, man. I hate that to say Jordan is the goat, to some people, is equal to saying you hate LeBron. I don't. His blemishes just are too many to say he's relatively flawless. Jordan had a relatively flawless, almost story book career with impossible accolades to go with it.
Also; I try not to blame athletes for things that aren't their fault. Example: Last season? That wasn't Lebron's fault. I'll never fault him for that. JR Smith running the wrong way. Not his fault. Bunch of other moments. But to say Jordan faced no competition is ..well for one kinda not true. Because nobody shot the 3 and rules were different, net efficiency rating looks bad in the 90s, but also note, widely accepted fact: it was harder to score in the 90s too. Low point totals, low net efficiency. Rules matter. But, competition and rules are not Jordan's fault either.
@@iAM2AM but here’s thing that’s what Jordan fan would say it’s Lebron he’s the best player right he’s the goat right when situations are out of his hands they blame him for it and say that’s why he’s not goat or he’s not faster or a better athlete or he’s not as creative and when i sit back and watch all the film of Jordan everything down to his foot work which I’m impressed with but then I’ve seen Kobe score 81 abusing people i go to athleticism and I’m Like there’s a lot of guys who’s stronger faster but had more weight on them but moving faster than Jordan was like Jordan cool but just because he won 6 chips took a break doesn’t mean he’s the greatest athlete or player there ever was I’ll say he’s the greatest shooting guard ever and there’s only Kobe that’s close and that’s pretty much it. But dismiss other greats who better accomplishments is beyond stupid.
@@javonarcher5376 I don't disagree with that. I think when it comes to "greatest", we all have to realize and accept that that title is something given to the people's champion. Nobody just says they're the greatest. People tell you. Right now the people's champ is Jordan for a number of very good, very valid reasons. Most notably: Saving basketball. Larry and Magic started it but Jordan made basketball must watch TV around the world. He made the Olympics matter and all of that. I'd say just don't fight the funk, cus in 10, 20 years, they'll be saying LeBron, and you'll be hot and angry at some 19 year old who didn't see LeBron during his era who will say: he just bullies his way to the rim and gives the ball to others! - But that's how it goes. Eras change. What used to be popular was scoring, now it's team play and assists, one day it'll be wing defense or something. I just let the people decide their champion.
Not even on the same planet...if LeBron was in a store and MJ walked in ...even Lebron would go towards MJ before MJ move and everyone in that store would gather towards MJ ...says it all about who's the GOAT....
I saw the polygraph - this cat is lying! What players today can do everything Mike could? I'm still waiting for him to forward me video of anyone doing Jordan's insane aerial acrobatics.
I know you posted 6 months ago, but yes, MJ was elite in almost every aspect of basketball, both offensively and defensively. You would have to have an amalgam of multiple players to try to put together 1 guy that was as good as Jordan. A lot of young fans just don't understand it.
The hardest thing for a LeBron fan to watch. I've seen it so many times. The extreme confidence in your man (For good reason. LeBron is an incredible player), then they watch this and the voyager rare tapes, and you can look up Jordan's assists package, and in just about every case, you can literally see the confidence draining from their faces. Those who call Jordan the GOAT, me included, are not just talking about eras. We've seen him play as much as Kobe and LeBron. Jordan was just different. But what wins the final argument is his extreme competitive nature on both DEFENSE and offensive. He was an all-round player, and not just a highlights reel. They have so many highlights simply because his artistry is so pretty to watch, but in a game he was all over the place, like a black panther. Scarily good.
100%!! I'm 64 and saw this with my own eyes in the 80s. When Chicago faced Detroit during that Bad Boys 3-year run ('88-'90) it took the entire Pistons team plus the bench to beat the Bulls because they had to eat up so many fouls. Coach Daly devised a flex defense to tamp MJ down but he still got his 40-50 that night AND whoever he was guarding was on lockdown, plus his help defense was so sudden and intense it prevented anything soft in the paint from other shooters. His competitve focus and concentration was so evident he was like a wild animal, a superhuman on the court out there.
I was having a laugh listening to this guy go through the 5 stages of grief. Dont worry kid, we all had our struggle until the final stage of acceptance. You'll live.
With all due respect, yes, we all have seen other players make impressive dunks and clutches; however, what you fail to see is that MJ did this every game every night. He played hard on defense as well as offense. It's also not just about rings. It's about individual achievements, stats, individual scoring night after night.
@@TheYates100what was really crazy is when he said if Lebron played with Magic he'd have 8 rings... even in hypothetical situations Lebron needs a Superteam
just the countless times mj dunked over 3 or more players is unbeatable, no one in the nba has done that on a regular basis. About the vertical, man, it's not the vertical, it's where he takes off that amazes people, so far but still he always almost hits the rim with his head.
Or saying they don’t hate Jordan ..it’s his fans hahahaha ..then they should look in the mirror that’s what Lebron fans do all day long try to discredit MJ who’s been retired for 20 yrs just to pump up Lebron…smh
“Nobody jumps 48 inches every single time.” *Very next play* “But he’s below the rim tho; that don’t look like 48 inches.” Lol. Bron fans are perhaps the most emotionally and intellectually inept fanbase of any celebrity, let alone athlete, ever.
Bro you know how many people I seen put they head above the rim. Nobody will ever utter the words Aaron Gordan is better that MJ just because he looking down at the rim!🤣🤣🤣
3041 points in a year. Played all 82 games of the year like 4 times. He played defense. He didn't chase a scoring title and watch others do dirty work. go watch old games. His dunks were great. Not cause he's vice Carter. It's cause m.j. Did it in traffic always under duress with contact every single game. Not lbj flop fouls or theatrics
I am 62 years old, I have always played basketball, I have lived in Panama my entire life. And in the 80's one of our television stations began to broadcast NBA games, I was a fan of Magic Johnson, but when I saw MJ in the Chicago Bulls, I went crazy and a fan of him. As you say, it was something different and unique. MJ revolutionized basketball to unsuspected levels worldwide. A player of that level had never been seen. Some NBA legends have commented that they stopped winning NBA titles because there was a factor that did not let them and that differential factor was MJ. There has not been anyone at the collective sports level more domineering and overwhelming than MJ. Lebron is the player King but MJ is God in the history of Basketball. Greetings from Panama
Michael retired 3 times, otherwise he'd own all stats. LeBron has already played more seasons than Michael but still hasn't caught up to Michael in championships, mvp's, dpoy awards, scoring titles, steals titles, 3peats. You're lying when you say you've seen other players do better. Go worship your queen and his skirted teammates. He's just a big stiff with one move. He flails his arms and collapses upon eye contact. If leflop played in the tough 90's he'd retire without a title, Rodman alone would abuse him. He abandoned his home town and had to join Wade, Bosch and Allen in order to win cause he's never been able to win on his own. Kyrie bailed him out in Cleveland and now he recruited a team full of skirted divas in a desperate attempt to win but they're 0-4 in the preseason.
Thank you this dude delusional he even said if lebron was on a team with the magics just shows lebron has to be on a team with strong players to get carried he won those 3 chips with wade Allen and Bosh, then kyrie on his own he's rubbish MJ didn't need the bulls the bulls needed MJ, MJ came back at 40 and carried the wizards.
I'm just going to say this young brother the Will to win will never be duplicated that's is what separates him from other players taking over games last minute shots
The queen stans are definitely delusional. They all claim they've seen players do Jordan's moves but no 1 player has ALL of Mike's moves. And I'm still waiting for one of these new cats to do Jordan's sideways leaner dunk.
Dude. There are those of us that have lived through both eras and watched both guys play. Those of us in that category will laugh at every comparison. Jordan is not only better than Lebron, its not even close. He was WAY better than Lebron. WAY BETTER.
You said “I’ve seen so many players do that” You know we’re watching ONE DUDE DO IT ALL, right? You have to make a compilation video of multiple superstars in this era to match one man’s career highlight film. That’s the difference. Michael Jordan is all of your favorite players in the “bigger, stronger, more advanced era” in one damn dude.
Lol, the problem with guarding Jordan was not just his speed but his lay-ups were a problem. He would constantly delay his release which is just impossible to compensate for. You jump to block and if it was anyone else, it would have been blocked, the defense isn't doing anything wrong, he just waits until they are coming down to release the ball. It is the craziest thing to watch.
It's not about the chips. Jordan dominates LeBron on per game statistics, analytics, accomplishments, overall basketball skills, and on a defensive end. The chips just came with it. He did it with only ever having 1 single all-star teammate for his entire career. Never needed to create Superteams to win a chip. It's also a weird thing about LeBron fans that they'll start picking and choosing different players to compare to Jordan. It's about being the singular best player *overall* . When arguing who is the best player, you should only be arguing 1 player vs 1 player. You cannot be like "Oh well Harden can play offense better than Jordan! And Kawhi can play defense better than Jordan! Therefore Jordan isn't the best!" Like no you donut, you're using 2 different ppl. How's Hardens defense compared to Jordan? How's Kawhi offense compared to Jordan? Who's the best OVERALL player? Analytics shows Jordan is the best player. And his accomplishments back that up. Also why are you bringing up single game accomplishments? Instead of the AVERAGE? Like, you understand that doesn't make you a better scorer right..? Jordan will score 50, blow out the opponent and take the bench for the rest of the game. He never paid attention to the stats or records. He just cares about the W. He averaged 30+ for his career and 31+ in the playoffs for a career. Then you talk about total points as if that has any relevance. You understand that's more to do with longevity right..? Jordan only played 13 full seasons.. No offense, but you sound extremely clueless about basketball.
Agreed! Harden isn’t a better offensive player than Jordan. Jordan’s career ppg is 30.1 and that’s after his sub-MJ seasons on the Wizards (he was at 31.5 ppg after retirement from the Bulls.) Jordan was a cheat code on offense and defense. While Kawhi has a +1 pt higher defensive rating than Jordan, Jordan beats him in both defensive statistics: spg and bpg. Of course, his rating is effected by his play at 38-40. Jordan’s 1991 NBA Finals stats should be all young people need to know about the GOAT: 31.2 ppg, 11.4 apg (bet those young mfers did know he was like *that*), 6.6 rpg, 55.8 FG%, 50 3P%, 2.8 spg, 1.4 bpg. 1991 Jordan is unrivaled. Of course, 1993 Finals Jordan does come close. 41 ppg (🤯), 8.5 rpg, 6.3 apg, 50.8 FG%, 40 3P%
On every level period and how lebron skip over Kobe is a insult to him because lebron don't belong in the goat conversation at all and am not watching lebron james fan reactions anymore because they can see that facts without even seeing all of mj games and still see lebron isn't even close to mj he's not even in my top 15 this guy even talking about mj not jumping 48 inches everytime how dumb he sound why would he need to it's not a dunk contest playing in a game ,and mj bear the best in the dunk contest samething lebron james was scared to play in because he don't have no dunk moves nothing but straight to the rim with power ,like I said lebron is scared of the smoke that's why he never played in a dunk contest because he's scared of losing and I don't know why because losing is what he's good that he needed wade bosh ray Allen, and then kyrie and love ,and them AD and they only got that bubble cum ring because lebron begging the league to play doing a time player's family members were dying and he knew he wasn't making it to the finals the nexts year because of all the player's coming back and look at him now costing lakers games because he chasing stats that still won't make him the goat was he going in 20 year's mj did in 13 years and play damn near all 82 games every year while lebron fake like he's hurt load managing never playing all 82 game but 1 time he's not playing in a error where going to the rim could endup getting your back broken put him back in mj error let's see if he would've still been playing 20 year's.
I just discovered this video and thank you for everything you said…I was getting agitated with how clueless he is about basketball. He needs to watch the video of MJ and Bron analytics breakdown.
@@GOAT23824 that’s funny. I did actually see one young man change his mind after watching multiple videos. I told him to stay away from the Kobe videos or he’ll be making another announcement.
Because he s a Labron fan blinded buy the fact hes seaing with his own eyes MJ was better all day everyday over Labron LaBron is the king of flops and crying
Lebron fans so ignorant. The thing about MJ was that he did these things every single game. Yeah, probably Lebron, Kobe and others have done these things too, but not as often as MJ. MJ was the best player in the world before he even started playing in NBA. USA olympic team vs NBA Allstar team. Guess who won? Bunch of young guys together with young MJ beat the best players in NBA. I might be wrong, but they played 6 games against each other, MJ's team won every single game. And that was before he even played his first NBA game.
Kobe maybe a little bit but Bron? HELL NO! The guy is a Kevorkian cadaver. He's too damn stiff to be as fluid as Jordan. Bron has zero aerial acrobatics. He can't walk on air like Mike. Jordan had the hang-time of Rodan. In air King Flop looks like the Hindenburg when it crashed. Only thing Queen Diva does like Black Jesus is rock the Nikes.
Plus this Lebron fan saying I’ve seen players do the same sh*t or better, yet forgets the whole reason they play like that is because of Jordan. Shows the ignorance of Lebron fans to discredit the players that made the game what it is today.
In the last 50 years, Career Résumé - Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles/ All-Star MVPs) 1st: Jordan = 49 2nd: Kobe = 34 2nd: LeBron = 34 4th: Kareem = 33 5th: Duncan = 29 … You can debate 2nd-5th place but Jordan is so far ahead of everyone else…it’s not even close. Also the most amazing thing is that Jordan accomplished all this while playing in at least 5 years less than the other players ... To put things into perspective, players like Giannis and Curry each have 14 Career Total Achievements
6 Finals, 6-0, 6 Finals MVP. Most blocks by a guard ever. Won DPOY and scoring title in the same season. If he played in this soft ass, small-ass era with no checks 40+ a night easy.
What you'll realize is that the majority of people who say MJ is the GOAT are not MJ fans. They aren't Bulls fans. They usually have different favorite players. I'm a Nets fan and my favorite player is Jason Kidd. Yet I still acknowledge MJ's absolute greatness and influence on the game of basketball. LeBron wears 23 because of MJ. Half of Kobe's game was inspired by MJ. MJ is 6-0 in the finals and has 2 three-peats under his belt. This isn't really a debate...
Oh that "push off" highlight. IMO, not just the shot but the entire sequence leading up to that shot is the greatest sequence in NBA history. The Bulls were down 3 with like 35 seconds left. They needed a quick score so the out of bounds play went to MJ and he scored within 4 seconds. Then they were back on defense down one and needed a stop. The Jazz ran a post play for Malone with Hornacek cutting around the baseline to the weak side to give Karl more space in the post. MJ follows Hornacek, shadows behind Malone, and steals the ball on the entry pass. Brings the ball down and the rest is history. In a span of 35 seconds in a game for the NBA championship, he made a clutch basket, a clutch steal, and the shot to win it. Legendary.
“So much freakier” shit. You can’t even edit a video of Lebron dunking on bigs 1/3 the length of Jordan’s. Jordan with like half of his career games tapes missing in basically 11 years with bulls still easily have hours of the layup, hang time highlights over lebron’s 18 years. Better yet, Jordan as a shooting guard has countless footage of perfect post up footworks. Lebron as a forward? Let’s say it’s serviceable.
What plenty of people don’t see is Jordan is the best because he was also the greatest defensive player. Game in and game out, season in and season out Jordan played as hard defensively as he did offensively.
My man, in a vacuum, yes, a bunch of guys can do the physical move but you don’t realize…this guy did it countless times and a ton of them were in high pressure situations. Also…tell me one guy that had it all. The bounce, the posterizing dunks, the handles, the quickness, his ability to finish at the rim, the shot making, the clutchness, all 1st team defense 9x and finally, the maniacal competitiveness? He was the best at almost all facets of the game from the day he entered, till the day he retired from The Bulls.
I wouldn’t say Jordan was the best at every facet of the game. But the thing that separates MJ from EVERYONE else is that he did EVERYTHING at a high level. And NO ONE else does that.
Imagine if Lebron could add a few things to his game. Kyrie’s layup package, Dirk’s postgame, and Leonard’s defense…. Well then you just built Michael Jordan.
This guy proves it kind of. He used like 10 different players that were great at doing different things to downplay Jordan’s achievements. Jordan was good at everything. Just being the best dunker or blocker will never get the goat title. You have to be the goat at everything and only Jordan did that so far. And the funny thing is the 10 players he used to compare to Jordan would admit that Jordan was better than them .
All I can say is this: the numbers don't even account for Jordan being far more technically/fundamentally sound than LeBron, possessing superior footwork, a far better back-to-basket game, a better mid-range game, having mastered the turnaround fadeaway, possessing a superior off-ball/catch-and-shoot game, and being an all-around better on-ball defender.
You're correct. And nobody talks about his help defense..not only does he have his own man locked down he's helping his teammates with his mid-air swats and passing lane steals, which led to most of his breakaway dunks.
You’re right nobody jumps 48” every time…BUT Lebron has NEVER jumped 48” off the ground…EVER and definitely not two feet and if you think VC flies and MJ doesn’t you blind bruh…all you gotta do is watch where they take off from
MJ’s best quality is his will to win, not the most athletic plays, not the bully ball, not the most skill play. Ppl love mj bc he always shine when the team needed him to win at the very last moment. Clutch after clutch after clutch. Saving the team game after game! That’s what it counts! That’s what fans remember him!
When a team runs an era, most people want that team to lose(Yankees/90's, Cowboys/90's, Patriots/00's). When Chicago was winning, they had everyone from casuals to grandmothers watching and rooting. Now they obviously had their haters back then. But those haters mostly admit now Jordan is the goat and they respect his play. I know plenty of Knicks fans who "hate" Mike but they know he ain't to be messed with... ...Detroit fans take pride in their team trying to physically beat Jordan 5 on 1. Boston fans take pride in Bird playing with 4 other HOFers beating a baby Jordan while he played with cokeheads. You know this man is the goat when fans have to go to extreme lengths or take shit way out of context to shit on his legacy.
6 champions, 6 finals MVP, 5 regular season MVP, 10 scoring titles, 3 steals titles, 3 all star MVP, DPOTY, Rockies of the year Olympic gold, and during his 6 title runs the bulls never had a 3 game losing streak. And if his father didn’t get murdered he probably wouldn’t have retired.
He had a 48" vertical when other dudes were coming down, he was still ascending. He used tovtake off on average 15' away from the cup. And he wasn't afraid. He wanted to absolutely humiliate you! Winning wasn't enough! That lay-up against the Nets and the one against the Lakers? 😮
My friend, russell is not the goat. He played in an era with only 8 teams. The competition was fairly non-existent. Lebron is definitely not the goat. He has too many taints in his career, from choking in 2009 and 2011 finals, to jumping from superteam to superteam, lagging on defense continuously throughout career, having to learn how to win first chip from D-Wade etc etc etc... Lebrons ship sailed long ago 🎯... By the way, all of Jordan's dunks were when there was no defensive 3 seconds so big tall defensive centres would clog up the lane, yet mj could still break down their individual and team defenses and impose his will. Its not even close.
Not even close?! I've been saying that for years. And I was fortunate to have seen both prime Mike and Bron in person, a few times. Jordan had the faster twitching muscles, superior bounce and hang-time, better mid-air body control, could jump off one or two feet, was quicker, had better reflexes, footwork and handles. And we all know Jordan had the mental of a killer in serial. We all know mentally Bron is Vagisil cream. He'd rather pass than beast his defender. I remember when a teammate of his (Chalmers) called him a bitch during a time-out of a game cause King Flop was playing too passively. Can you imagine a Jordan teammate ever calling him that cause Mike wasn't ballin' tenaciously enough? And not trying to be mean but this guy doing this reaction looks as bright as JR Smith in crunch-time. I'm sure he had no idea there was only 10 teams back then and that Russell played with 5 hall-of-famers, which four of them have a higher NBA Finals ppg than Russell. So he had plenty of help. And you can't be in GOAT conversation when you only averaged 15 ppg for your career while shooting only .440 from the field. For a center that's abysmal.
If there was a Category called "Most Arrogant", LeBron would get the gold by tell all of us he's the goat. If there was a Category called "Most Humble", MJ obviously would win that one.
People will look you in the face and say LBJ could've carried that Bulls team past Larry Bird and the Celtics. Whatever they smoking on is alot stronger than Kush! LBJ had 4 HOF on his team when he won his 1st ring but KD is crucified for the same thing! Bron fans take several seats plz!
Imagine you're a Bulls fan in 1987 and despite you're best player breaking the scoring record and averaged 39.5 ppg in 2 series against a dynasty celtics team with 4 future HOFs, how would u feel if your team's mgmt. can only provide TWO ROOKIES as "help" for jordan to go deep in the playoffs and win a championship? A 5th pick, non division 1 player (pippen) and a 10th pick power forward (h.grant). Then eventually hired a ROOKIE nba coach (phil jackson)? Would u feel emboldened and think your team is gonna beat the celtics, the bad boys and the lakers? Imagine Dan Gilbert telling this to lebron in 2010: "Hey lebron i have good news for you, we got the 5th pick and the 10 pick this coming draft! So... you're not thinking about leaving us am i right?!!!" 😂😂😂😂😂 I bet lebron's reaction is to call Dwade on the spot and tell him it's an emergency! 😁😁😁 Btw, let's look at lebron's team mates in his career (so far): Dwade - 5th pick, 13x all star, considered by many as 3rd greatest SG of all time Chris Bosh - 4th pick, 11x all star Ray Allen - 5th pick, 10x all star, one of the best 3pt shooters of all time Kyrie Irving - 1st pick, 6x all star Kevin Love - 5th pick, 5x all star Anthony Davis - 1st pick, 7x all star Russell Westbrook - 4th pick, 9x all star (former mvp) And lets also not forget about his notable support players who were former all stars/superstars/champions/ like rondo, shaq, dwight, deron williams, derrick rose, IT, Ilgauskus, Kyle Korver , Mo williams, Rashard Lewis, brandon ingram, Carmelo Anthony, Deandre Jordan, Trez Herrell (former SMOY), Marc Gasol, Andre Drummond (2x allstar, 4x reb. king). He also got notable established role players like larry hughes, wally szczerbiak, antawn jamison, shane battier, juwan howard, mike miller, Udonis haslem, james jones, Birdman, Jae crowder, Rich jefferson, Jose calderon, jr smith, george hill, jordan clarkson, tyson chandler, danny green, lonzo ball etc. Then consider the fact that he switched teams 3x, where each teams overhauled their roster for him. 71 players were traded under his watch (45 total trades). And we all know that Lebron is the main recruiter for Klutch Sports and not rich paul (who were just selling jerseys when he first met lebron). And that made it easier for lebron to get AD (who's also a client of Klutch Sports).
"Jordan played in a era where there’s nobody like him and that also benefited him 😂😂" Im glad you noticed that there was no one like MJ lol he was 1 of 1. And If you're talking about comp there was plenty. Mitch Richmond , Juwan Howard , Clyde Drexler , David Robinson , Chris Mullin , Glen Rice , Joe Dumars , Karl Malone , John Stockton , Patrick Ewing , Charles Barkley , Hakeem Olajuwon , Reggie Miller , Larry Johnson[Grandma Ma] . Alonzo Mourning , Shaquille O'Neil , Penny Hardaway , Latrell Sprewell , Tim Hardaway , Jason Kidd , Chris Webber , Shawn Kemp , Gary Payton , Grant Hill , Dominique Wilkins , Kevin Johnson , Magic Johnson , Isaiah Thomas , Larry Bird , Rod Strickland , Dikembe Mutombo , Antonio McDyess , James Worthy , Steve Smith , Mark Jackson , Isaiah Rider , Kevin Garnet , Eddie Jones , Rik Smits , Allan Houston , Rasheed Wallace , Dee Brown , Stacey Augmon[The Plastic Man] , Rodney Rodgers , Rex Chapman , Byron Scott , Jalen Rose , Jamal Mashburn , Jimmy Jackson etc etc the list can continue.... LeBron fans know He can't catch Michaels accolades so they have to try to diminish his era and comp lol. If Mike did't retire those 2 years , this wouldn't even be a discussion. The only thing LeBron has over MJ is longevity , and even thats tainted , Go look up LeBron James and PEDS aka Steroids to help heal his body , believe us when LBJ retires all will come to light. UFC fighter Chael said LeBron is on PEDS and him and LeBron share the same dealer lol , other reports have been written about LeBron James and PEDS but have been payed to not see daylight to have been brushed aside , LeBron James is Adam Silvers cash cow at the moment ...when he retires all will come to light. Fake goat Manufactured goat Bought goat. Reply
@@javonarcher5376 you have to understand Jordan possesses the athleticism to do any NBA feat. As far as strength goes, Jordan grab blocked the ball from Shaq with one hand. The thing about MJ is, Quoting Alinzo Mourning, he's the one player with no weaknesses. He only gambled on defense half as much as Kobe, took smarter shots than Kobe, due to college discipline, LeBron is a giver because of his elementary coach, so he didnt need college, unless you mean for accolades. Kobe is the mamba, a snake which attacks without provocation, because he's always felt like an outsider. Jordan is Jordan because during the riotous activity of the 80's, drinking in the locker room and doing cocaine, he stayed into basketball alone like Kobe. Kobe is new school, so hes socially awkward. Kobe is the Westcoast Jordan, Vince is Jordan, replacing the desire to destroy with the desire to show off, Iverson is a mini-Jordan minus the desire to sacrifice his free-time. Grant Hill was a even more physical Jordan but more focused on team success, than individual, like a quicker, skinnier Lebron, T-Mac was like a LeBron if LeBron decided to be more offensive minded, and scored from the midrange. LeBron is a pure basketball player...a more athletic Magic Johnson, but Magic was more gifted with vision, LeBron is as skilled with passing angles. Magic could have scored like LeBron. Bird was more offensive minded than LeBron, less fearful than LeBron, and more patient than LeBron. LeBron played like Bird in the playoffs against the Pacers in 2018, what I call his best series ever - LeBron has the athleticism of a Dominique Wilkins, and the game of Magic. Kobe and LeBron in a series woulda been awesome but LeBron fell to Dwight's shooter crew. If LeBron stayed in Cleveland, he goes down as a folk hero, like A.I., even if he only won 1 championship....but see, you gotta be tougher in decisionmaking and in public to wear that 23....you cant be soft at all.....an that's why he is shunned. People dont dream of stopping LeBron. I'm nicer than LeBron, an would not fight on the court, but I guarantee they'd fear me......the only folk who feared LeBron was Toronto.....imagine every NBA team being in fear of embarrassment.....that's what Jordan had.....therefore he became a superhero to not only kids, but grown men....tough men. LeBron is respected by tough men, but not feared by them. You dont think LeBron will embarrass you -he might embarrass yall one time with a far 3, a between the legs pass or a dunk unexpectedly, Jordan will embarrass folks 4+ times a game, if not more....one might be the game winner.... but since Jordan came before LeBron an Jordan was cutthroat in his playing style, playing amongst cutthroats, even the generation of players who came during and after his time were cutthroat....they link cutthroat to the number 23....not just greatness....he shoulda took Grant Hills number or DR J's.......Grant Hill was as nice as LeBron yet even he was more cuttroat.....LeBron is a bigger Penny Hardaway, and gives us a glimpse of what his and Grant's career would have looked like. That being said, LeBron sonned the Celtics in 2018, and I appreciated the calm strength he showed - even minus Kyrie. APEX LeBron is against the Warriors in 2015 when he got exhausted and lost....the Cavs should have 3 finals Rings , and Lebron should have 5 rings, but KD came. 6 if he turned up on Dallas an didnt shrink under the pressure to be evil, 4 if Ray Allen misses that shot. None if Grant an Penney stayed healthy. The east woulda been tough. That being said, if Magic stayed healthy an Jordan played Hakeem in 94 an 95, Jordan would have 5 but they wouldnt be consecutive because basketball is still a big mans game. The sixth ring woulda been hard to come by for Lebron, because on the Cavs or Lakers, Lebron woulda worn down in 2019, from teams giving the Cavs or Lakers they best shots in the regular season. But because the players lack so many fundamentals nowadays, there are no 7 footers hardly and the 3 is encouraged which opens the paint even more, LeBron is able to dominate. LeBron turns into Karl Malone in the 90's, slightly lighter, slightly shorter, with better passing....ala Shawn Kemp. Lebron by year 5 needed a running mate like Pippen, but who ? KG ? Ray Allen ? Some player who went to Jail ? Some player who died young ? Probably ? But if Vince an T-Mac had stayed together - if iverson had come to LeBron in 2008....if KG had gone to Iverson.....or Joel Embiid had gone to the Cavs.......well he had Kyrie. LeBron and Durant or Kobe together could beat Jordan and Pippen 2 on 2....but 5 on 5, Jordan will exploit your team all game like LeBron did to the Raptors......and LeBron or KD will become frustrated because of their team being embarrassed and their game would disintegrate. Because if Jordan being smaller and slicker, he'll draw more fouls than them both, with any rules. Jordan + anyone equals championship. Kyrie proved that's not true in 2017.
@@javonarcher5376 Yes plus Lebron is a big guy dunking on little guy Jordan was dunking on Centers plus these new soft rules Jordan would average 40 pts a game
@@javonarcher5376 he actually did do a 360 dunk with 2 hands. Not in an actual game but yeah he's done it before. Magic said he did it during the dream team practice.
I get that you seen this stuff before but the guys you saw doing it, based their game off of this man right here. He invented a lot of These moves that you see today
Post fadeaway was already there jelly lays were here before Jordan Was doing them though 360 windmills weren’t 360 scoops weren’t a thing but they pay homage to rock the cradle because that’s dr.j dunk that mj took
@@javonarcher5376 Mj has the best fadeaway of all time, best mid range shooter of all time, 4 foot vertical which is just as high as ANY player in nba history including today's league, best footwork of all time, most acrobatic jelly layups and best balance in mid air, top 25 defender of all time, ran a 4.38 40 yard dash which is one of the fastest in nba history( Russell Westbrook ran a 4.30 and he's probably the fastest pg in nba history)
@@pp3k3jamail he’s talking about b4 jordan dude. Hakeem n Jordan’s post games parallel each other. Hakeem didn’t have a great post game early in his career either. The guy was saying b4 Jordan guys had that in their game wich they didn’t. No one in nba history has had that kind of post game n footwork but for a handful of guys.. n like Kobe got it from Jordan
Something I noticed about his layups and dunks, they look flashy and extra, but everything he did was for a reason. Especially once he was winning titles, everything was precision, no flair. If he tomahawk dunked, he was protecting the ball. 360 in the air, he was getting contact for a 3pt play while protecting the ball. Nothing was on accident, or just for show. He was a surgeon.
By the way, you said everyone has done these things. Well not a single player ever played harder than MJ. Players who got scoring title and Defensive first team selection in same season - MJ - 9 times.. Kobe - 3 times. Everyone else - 0 times. And MJ played only 14 seasons. 2 of them were when he was 38-40 years old. And one season he was injured almost for the whole season. If there's anyone who can be called the goat, it's undoubtfully MJ. Not Lebron, not Bill Russell, not Kobe, not Wilt, not anyone else.
lebron wouldn't win no titles if he played in the jordan era-the defenders were tougher. and his clutch rating was higher than any other player, including bird, lebron, and kobe and jerry west
In all honesty, they way you feel about Jordan fans are the same way Jordan fans feel about Lebron fans.. the difference is, including you..Lebron fans are arguing that he is the goat while knowing virtually nothing on any other player who isn't currently playing or maybe retired after 2010. Have actually seen nothing but 5 mins of the most common highlights from likely Jordan. Majority have not seen one highlight of Magic, Bird or any other..know nothing of what they did for the game. How do you debate who is better A or B when you haven't seen virtually any highlight, video, seen or studied stats and certainly haven't watched any actual game footage? Yet, what you make a good point about is Jordans hand size and what that allowed him to do, the control on the ball. He could palm the ball of the dribble, rebound, or catching. That is different, I think there are very few in the league over 6'5 who can't palm the ball but to not need a second hand to secure it and to be able to palm at any time in game speed is very very rare.
“Show me something!” Michael Jordan levitating “Show me something!” Michael Jordan trowing laser beams from his eyes “I’ve seen that shit tons of times. Show me something!” Michael Jordan turns into a dragon and starts spitting fire on the stage. “THAT’S NOT IMPRESSIVE!! SHOW ME SOMETHIIIIIING!!!
1. Jordan was in a league where everyone could stand under the hoop, and he still dunked on them 2. LeBron doesn't move or hit shots like MJ. You must be high to not see that. MJ dunked from the foul line and has far more impressive ups. In fact, he has the highest vertical in NBA history
Lebron has been injured numerous times in what is considered the "softest era of basketball ever". I seriously doubt he'd have done much in the 80's or 90's, besides warn a bench on injury reserve.
What you need to understand is being the GOAT is a combination of stats, chips and accolades. Maybe you’ve seen some of this stuff already…where you think these guys got it from? Jordan has the highest per game scoring average. Longevity numbers just mean you played a long time. Russell had 11 rings but there was only 8 teams in the league. Lebron has all around stats. But he’s quit a bunch of times. Jordan has the combination of stats, chips and accolades. Not to mention that he NEVER gave up even when the odds were stacked against him. And he did it at both ends of the court his whole career.
The truth! If it was all about chips it would be Russell, even though he played with FIVE hall-of-famers, four of them averaged more ppg in Finals than Bill - so he was carried offensively. If it was all about stats it would be Wilt. If it was all about unguardable move it would be Kareem. If it was all about longevity it would be King Flop. If it was all about maniacal mental it would be Bird. But if it was everything combined it's Black Jesus - he who didn't walk on water cause he preferred the air.
i was laughing my ass off when he said that lebron would join up with magic and win 8 chips. I agree. He would be the type to join up with another all star. I disagree though with the 8 chips just because of the presence of the man in the video in that era. Also, you claim that people should base their goat rankings on statistics, analytics and the eye test? I don’t know what source you got, but MJ beats bron in all of those too.
I'm old enough to have seen both MJ and LBJ but not old enough to have seen Russell but here's my take on it. I think Jordan is the BEST player of all time when EVERYTHING is considered. Bill Russell is the most valuable. I think people say Jordan is a better dunker than Vince because Jordan recorded way more in your face dunks than Vince. Please react to Jordan unreal facial dunks collection and you'll see what I mean. Anyway good react young blood I know it's hard to believe there was someone better than your fav player but there it is. Peace.
Ain’t no way Jordan a better than Vince I’ve done witness Vince windmilled and bodied people reversed and dunked on someone jump over a 7 footer he cleared a 7 footer Jordan wasn’t built that way no offense. Bill Russell got 11 chips he lost right at the end of career he’s the greatest winner of all time and it’s not close between him and Jordan it’s the fact Jordan is a guard just my personal opinion.
Oh we playing the GOAT game? One problem which rules are we playing? If your basing your GOAT on only one criteria winning then cool then Russell is your man. I'll base my GOAT criteria on a combination of winning, accolades, eye test, stats, domination on BOTH ends of the floor. MJ comes out on top for me. Regarding Vince. Much respect to Air Canada but I prefer Air Jordan's style of dunks. To me Vince's dunks while spectacular looks a little too robotic and he did not have the hangtime that MJ had. MJ was also a more ferocious in game dunker. Please check out Jordan Unreal Facial Dunks to see what I'm talking about. Peace
@@harissonbond7499 lol robotic isn’t that Jordan he didn’t have the finesse while carter had everything in terms of dunking power finesse full rotation full extension on every dunk accolades Jordan isn’t the first in everything but he’s at least top 5 in most category Kareem 6 chips 6mvps 2fmvps while playing 20 years bill Russell 11 time champion the goat of winning Jordan a 10x scorer 5 mvps 6 fmvps wilt avg 50 and 20 Jordan ain’t never
@@RizzlerTsu Exactly theres many diff criteria for GOAT so depending on the criteria there can be more than one GOAT. I wont argue with someone that has Kareem, Rusell or Wilt as their GOAT But when everything NBA is considered I still think MJ is the GOAT over Kareem. Jordan was the man on every single finals while old Kareem was being carried by Magic in his later years(2 finals mvp < 6 finals mvp).
If u think about it, only jordan among the players in the GOAT conversation is not a freak of nature. Wilt was the biggest and strongest player in nba history.. Kareem was one of the tallest in his era at 7'2. Lebron is the biggest and probably the most athletic wing player (height+mass) in nba history at 6'9, 260 lbs. Bill Russell was an athletic 6'10 player. Magic and Bird were 6'9. They all benefited from their size in a sports league where the average height is 6'5/6'6. Jordan was just an average sized basketball player at 6'6, 195-215 lbs. and dominated the league for a decade.
Also, Bill Russell played when there were 10 teams and less playoff games, so it was easier to get a ring if you were as good as he was. And Jordan played in an era that was so much more physical than this era. You can not do half the things they did to Jordan. The amount of hard fouls players put on him going into the paint was ridiculous, but it didn't stop him. You couldn't do that in this soft league today.
MJ is the G.O.A.T., Lebron and all these other players in the cupcake era would get flattened in the far more physical era of the 80’s and 90’s. The Pistons and Knicks would make Lebron cry, MJ is on a level no current player even understands…
Lebron played 16 yrs and still playing the game, and michael jordan played 15 plus didn't play for a year in basketball but when he came back he was back to dominate once again.
having to listen to the level of hate make this video truly miserable to watch. coming from someone who can’t admit that everyone else got it from MJ and we’re yet to see any new age player replicate these moves consistently…and at will.
Vertical Leap: Jordan = 48 inches...highest ever!!! Levine = 46 inches LeBron = 44 inches Morant = 44 inches ... On top of that, Jordan had the fastest 40 yard dash time of those players. ... Jordan's was 4.3 seconds LeBron's was 4.6 seconds
As a younger fan you have seen freaky stuff from today’s players like LeBron, Kobe & Kyrie, but they copied M.J.’s moves, so in reality what you See them do is M.J.’s. What M.J. did he copied from Dr. J. That is why being ‘A STUDENT OF THE TOTAL GAME’ is so imperative, not just players in your specific era that you have watched, because the generations of players before is the platform for the next generation that you currently see. Enjoy the journey!
One last comment, and this is not exclusive to you: it is so tired to talk about that ““ push off. Russell was a grown man running that direction in Jordan used his fingertips. So either he is Thanos and can throw a grown man 3 feet with his fingertips, or he faked the dude out of his sneakers while his fingertips where on his hips. It’s really just basic physics.
You blow a lot of smoke. You haven't seen these things done better, because no one has done them better. In terms of depth, range and impact, no one's better than MJ.
I love when youngins see him for the first time and you get it based off just a few select highlights lol. His athleticism and grace pop off the screen don't it?? The finesse and power he played with was unparalleled..
I don’t agree with Jordan being the goat if we’re using the ring argument i got bill for that and i always find it funny that how Jordan fans try to diminish his accomplishments by saying there were less teams and shorter people when Jordan didn’t even play against comp in the finals himself 🤔 he’s a guard he’s gonna shoot the ball more but to completely diminished bill’s accomplishment when he was at the start of basketball even beginning is beyond stupid and then y’all try to make it seem like Jordan had the craziest vertical with the best shooting stroke ever when he’s not even the greatest shooter or the best dunker It’s weird asf
I don't have a problem with the goat argument. I think when you're using the word "argument" you've already come to the table close minded. LeBron is a phenomenal athlete, but Jordan is the GOAT not just because of rings. Here is why- I'll keep it short:
Only human to win a title and be the best offensive player in the league more than once. He did it six times. Only 5 other people ever have, but:
- 6x Champion, 6x Finals MVP AND scoring Title in the same year. Six times!?
-Shooting guard with a Defensive Player of the Year.
- 9 times all defensive player (as a shooting guard)
-Regularly slamdunks on 7 plus footers
Lead the league in steals 3 times as a guard.
- Averaged more points and assists than LeBron when they asked him to run point guard (position less basketball wasn't allowed by coaches back then)
- Better true shooter than LeBron. (Check out basketball reference. LeBron is only a 34+% shooter farther than 3 feet from the basket. He got 50% fg percentage off dunks putbacks and layups, his most common shot. In fact, look at his Pistons vs Cavs game, the announcer even mentions LeBron is a below average shooter. This is said multiple times in his career mid-game.) Jordan shot the jumper at near 50%.
- Jordan had six titles and two three peats at 34.
- Finals APPEARANCES without WINS don't say you were the best in the WORLD, they unfortunately only say you were the best in the conference. I have long suspected that LeBron can't so easily beat the west.
- Jordan was never a no-show in the finals and even averaged 40 for a series. LeBron has choked far too many times to be the standard that we measure all other players by to call him the goat.
But. Man... LeBron is a baaaad mothatrucka, man. I hate that to say Jordan is the goat, to some people, is equal to saying you hate LeBron. I don't. His blemishes just are too many to say he's relatively flawless. Jordan had a relatively flawless, almost story book career with impossible accolades to go with it.
Also; I try not to blame athletes for things that aren't their fault. Example: Last season? That wasn't Lebron's fault. I'll never fault him for that.
JR Smith running the wrong way. Not his fault. Bunch of other moments. But to say Jordan faced no competition is ..well for one kinda not true. Because nobody shot the 3 and rules were different, net efficiency rating looks bad in the 90s, but also note, widely accepted fact: it was harder to score in the 90s too. Low point totals, low net efficiency. Rules matter. But, competition and rules are not Jordan's fault either.
@@iAM2AM but here’s thing that’s what Jordan fan would say it’s Lebron he’s the best player right he’s the goat right when situations are out of his hands they blame him for it and say that’s why he’s not goat or he’s not faster or a better athlete or he’s not as creative and when i sit back and watch all the film of Jordan everything down to his foot work which I’m impressed with but then I’ve seen Kobe score 81 abusing people i go to athleticism and I’m
Like there’s a lot of guys who’s stronger faster but had more weight on them but moving faster than Jordan was like Jordan cool but just because he won 6 chips took a break doesn’t mean he’s the greatest athlete or player there ever was I’ll say he’s the greatest shooting guard ever and there’s only Kobe that’s close and that’s pretty much it. But dismiss other greats who better accomplishments is beyond stupid.
@@javonarcher5376 I don't disagree with that. I think when it comes to "greatest", we all have to realize and accept that that title is something given to the people's champion. Nobody just says they're the greatest. People tell you. Right now the people's champ is Jordan for a number of very good, very valid reasons. Most notably: Saving basketball. Larry and Magic started it but Jordan made basketball must watch TV around the world. He made the Olympics matter and all of that. I'd say just don't fight the funk, cus in 10, 20 years, they'll be saying LeBron, and you'll be hot and angry at some 19 year old who didn't see LeBron during his era who will say: he just bullies his way to the rim and gives the ball to others! - But that's how it goes. Eras change. What used to be popular was scoring, now it's team play and assists, one day it'll be wing defense or something. I just let the people decide their champion.
@@iAM2AM lmao the last part was really funny yeah that’s definitely gonna happen i give it another 20 years I’ll be 45 by then
Ignorance is bliss. Talk is cheap.
LBJ not in the same universe as MJ.
lmao, love it
he is so dumb, its not even funny.
TEACH!!!
Not even close.
Not even on the same planet...if LeBron was in a store and MJ walked in ...even Lebron would go towards MJ before MJ move and everyone in that store would gather towards MJ ...says it all about who's the GOAT....
you’ve seen players do everything that MJ’s done but you’ll never see a player that can do everything that MJ does. that’s what makes him the goat.
I saw the polygraph - this cat is lying! What players today can do everything Mike could? I'm still waiting for him to forward me video of anyone doing Jordan's insane aerial acrobatics.
The funny thing is he kept saying I’ve seen Kobe do that or Bron do that or kyrie do that. But Mike did it first.
I know you posted 6 months ago, but yes, MJ was elite in almost every aspect of basketball, both offensively and defensively. You would have to have an amalgam of multiple players to try to put together 1 guy that was as good as Jordan. A lot of young fans just don't understand it.
AMEN 🙏
bingo !
The hardest thing for a LeBron fan to watch. I've seen it so many times. The extreme confidence in your man (For good reason. LeBron is an incredible player), then they watch this and the voyager rare tapes, and you can look up Jordan's assists package, and in just about every case, you can literally see the confidence draining from their faces. Those who call Jordan the GOAT, me included, are not just talking about eras. We've seen him play as much as Kobe and LeBron. Jordan was just different. But what wins the final argument is his extreme competitive nature on both DEFENSE and offensive. He was an all-round player, and not just a highlights reel. They have so many highlights simply because his artistry is so pretty to watch, but in a game he was all over the place, like a black panther. Scarily good.
He's incredible to these kids. When you've seen Jordan play, the queen ain't much to be excited about.
100%!! I'm 64 and saw this with my own eyes in the 80s. When Chicago faced Detroit during that Bad Boys 3-year run ('88-'90) it took the entire Pistons team plus the bench to beat the Bulls because they had to eat up so many fouls. Coach Daly devised a flex defense to tamp MJ down but he still got his 40-50 that night AND whoever he was guarding was on lockdown, plus his help defense was so sudden and intense it prevented anything soft in the paint from other shooters. His competitve focus and concentration was so evident he was like a wild animal, a superhuman on the court out there.
Haven't watched him and still know the honest truth
He hollering Kobe and Kobe got everything from Mike 😂😂😂
I was having a laugh listening to this guy go through the 5 stages of grief. Dont worry kid, we all had our struggle until the final stage of acceptance. You'll live.
Exactly!😂😂
TRUE STORY
LMBO 😂😂😂...well said...
100% He can't handle the Truth!
He was sure "reaching" to find some argument, (and it wasnt there). You saw him deflate. Guess what..DIFFERENT was the Keyword here.
With all due respect, yes, we all have seen other players make impressive dunks and clutches; however, what you fail to see is that MJ did this every game every night. He played hard on defense as well as offense. It's also not just about rings. It's about individual achievements, stats, individual scoring night after night.
This man was taking kyrie, kobe, lebron and other legens to compare to one man. He will realise one day 🤣
Score 40 to 50 point' per game.....
@@TheYates100what was really crazy is when he said if Lebron played with Magic he'd have 8 rings... even in hypothetical situations Lebron needs a Superteam
just the countless times mj dunked over 3 or more players is unbeatable, no one in the nba has done that on a regular basis. About the vertical, man, it's not the vertical, it's where he takes off that amazes people, so far but still he always almost hits the rim with his head.
Does this dude know anything about basketball. You will learn young fella.
Till this very day Jordan still holds the highest vertical in NBA history
Facts
Its not just the 6 rings its the 6 mvps that go with it. And the fact that he played lights out every moment of every game both offense and defense.
Haters gonna hate. All upset cause they didn't get to actually see the Jordan era. I feel bad for y'all too.
Where do you think these new ballers get they moves from
Not only hating he don’t know the teams back then or the rules
Or saying they don’t hate Jordan ..it’s his fans hahahaha ..then they should look in the mirror that’s what Lebron fans do all day long try to discredit MJ who’s been retired for 20 yrs just to pump up Lebron…smh
Why??, LeBron James Era is better 🤣
@@shawndun2119 My grandmother agrees with you. Most people who can't play do.
“Nobody jumps 48 inches every single time.”
*Very next play* “But he’s below the rim tho; that don’t look like 48 inches.”
Lol. Bron fans are perhaps the most emotionally and intellectually inept fanbase of any celebrity, let alone athlete, ever.
Bro you know how many people I seen put they head above the rim. Nobody will ever utter the words Aaron Gordan is better that MJ just because he looking down at the rim!🤣🤣🤣
No kidding.
Lol the question of why he would even NEED to jump 48 inches if the rim is well withing his reach never comes up smh
LOL, thank you for putting it into words.
3041 points in a year. Played all 82 games of the year like 4 times. He played defense. He didn't chase a scoring title and watch others do dirty work. go watch old games. His dunks were great. Not cause he's vice Carter. It's cause m.j. Did it in traffic always under duress with contact every single game. Not lbj flop fouls or theatrics
I am 62 years old, I have always played basketball, I have lived in Panama my entire life. And in the 80's one of our television stations began to broadcast NBA games, I was a fan of Magic Johnson, but when I saw MJ in the Chicago Bulls, I went crazy and a fan of him. As you say, it was something different and unique. MJ revolutionized basketball to unsuspected levels worldwide. A player of that level had never been seen. Some NBA legends have commented that they stopped winning NBA titles because there was a factor that did not let them and that differential factor was MJ. There has not been anyone at the collective sports level more domineering and overwhelming than MJ. Lebron is the player King but MJ is God in the history of Basketball. Greetings from Panama
Facts.
😂 0 Floops, 0 Cries, 0 Sweep in this video.
What you have is called cognitive dissonance.
In other words ignorance and stupidity
This guy is lucky he can speak in a full sentence
And confirmation bias
Michael retired 3 times, otherwise he'd own all stats. LeBron has already played more seasons than Michael but still hasn't caught up to Michael in championships, mvp's, dpoy awards, scoring titles, steals titles, 3peats. You're lying when you say you've seen other players do better. Go worship your queen and his skirted teammates. He's just a big stiff with one move. He flails his arms and collapses upon eye contact. If leflop played in the tough 90's he'd retire without a title, Rodman alone would abuse him. He abandoned his home town and had to join Wade, Bosch and Allen in order to win cause he's never been able to win on his own. Kyrie bailed him out in Cleveland and now he recruited a team full of skirted divas in a desperate attempt to win but they're 0-4 in the preseason.
Michael did a 3peat with 2 DIFFERENT TEAMS AND THEY WEREN'T STACKED LIKE WHAT LEBRON NEEDS TO WIN!!
Lebron has a coach for flopping. Jordan NEVER flopped or ran away from any plays. He was all out even when he was sick.
Thank you this dude delusional he even said if lebron was on a team with the magics just shows lebron has to be on a team with strong players to get carried he won those 3 chips with wade Allen and Bosh, then kyrie on his own he's rubbish MJ didn't need the bulls the bulls needed MJ, MJ came back at 40 and carried the wizards.
@@lazyghostgamerz4095 and all of them said they would pick MJ OVER LEBRON. But on the real Jordan ain't thinking about LeBron or Pippen.
Preeeeeaacchh!!!!🙏🙏🙏
I'm just going to say this young brother the Will to win will never be duplicated that's is what separates him from other players taking over games last minute shots
You’re hilarious bro. I haven’t seen anything freaky from Bron honestly. His game is literally all power & no finesse.
The queen stans are definitely delusional. They all claim they've seen players do Jordan's moves but no 1 player has ALL of Mike's moves. And I'm still waiting for one of these new cats to do Jordan's sideways leaner dunk.
Dude. There are those of us that have lived through both eras and watched both guys play. Those of us in that category will laugh at every comparison. Jordan is not only better than Lebron, its not even close. He was WAY better than Lebron. WAY BETTER.
Jordan is way better and LeBron is easily Top 3-5. THAT’S how good Jordan was.
You said “I’ve seen so many players do that”
You know we’re watching ONE DUDE DO IT ALL, right? You have to make a compilation video of multiple superstars in this era to match one man’s career highlight film. That’s the difference. Michael Jordan is all of your favorite players in the “bigger, stronger, more advanced era” in one damn dude.
And in an era where you cant get touched going to the rim
It's the Marijuana and GMO foods Era lol. Players today can't stay healthy and are too soft to play back to backs.
@@KaineTremaineWtf does marijuana have to do with anything? 😂
@@stonerthoosie Dudes nowadays are just "built different".. lol, meaning they're weaker
Lol, the problem with guarding Jordan was not just his speed but his lay-ups were a problem. He would constantly delay his release which is just impossible to compensate for. You jump to block and if it was anyone else, it would have been blocked, the defense isn't doing anything wrong, he just waits until they are coming down to release the ball. It is the craziest thing to watch.
The funny thing is, he gonna said "i saw Vince dunk like this, i saw Kyrie lay up like that" he brings everybody but LeBron 😂😂😂😂😂
It's not about the chips. Jordan dominates LeBron on per game statistics, analytics, accomplishments, overall basketball skills, and on a defensive end. The chips just came with it. He did it with only ever having 1 single all-star teammate for his entire career. Never needed to create Superteams to win a chip.
It's also a weird thing about LeBron fans that they'll start picking and choosing different players to compare to Jordan. It's about being the singular best player *overall* . When arguing who is the best player, you should only be arguing 1 player vs 1 player. You cannot be like "Oh well Harden can play offense better than Jordan! And Kawhi can play defense better than Jordan! Therefore Jordan isn't the best!" Like no you donut, you're using 2 different ppl. How's Hardens defense compared to Jordan? How's Kawhi offense compared to Jordan? Who's the best OVERALL player?
Analytics shows Jordan is the best player. And his accomplishments back that up.
Also why are you bringing up single game accomplishments? Instead of the AVERAGE? Like, you understand that doesn't make you a better scorer right..? Jordan will score 50, blow out the opponent and take the bench for the rest of the game. He never paid attention to the stats or records. He just cares about the W. He averaged 30+ for his career and 31+ in the playoffs for a career.
Then you talk about total points as if that has any relevance. You understand that's more to do with longevity right..? Jordan only played 13 full seasons..
No offense, but you sound extremely clueless about basketball.
Thankyou. You let me rest mu fingers today
No you donut I'm stealing that 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Agreed! Harden isn’t a better offensive player than Jordan. Jordan’s career ppg is 30.1 and that’s after his sub-MJ seasons on the Wizards (he was at 31.5 ppg after retirement from the Bulls.) Jordan was a cheat code on offense and defense. While Kawhi has a +1 pt higher defensive rating than Jordan, Jordan beats him in both defensive statistics: spg and bpg. Of course, his rating is effected by his play at 38-40.
Jordan’s 1991 NBA Finals stats should be all young people need to know about the GOAT:
31.2 ppg, 11.4 apg (bet those young mfers did know he was like *that*), 6.6 rpg, 55.8 FG%, 50 3P%, 2.8 spg, 1.4 bpg. 1991 Jordan is unrivaled.
Of course, 1993 Finals Jordan does come close. 41 ppg (🤯), 8.5 rpg, 6.3 apg, 50.8 FG%, 40 3P%
On every level period and how lebron skip over Kobe is a insult to him because lebron don't belong in the goat conversation at all and am not watching lebron james fan reactions anymore because they can see that facts without even seeing all of mj games and still see lebron isn't even close to mj he's not even in my top 15 this guy even talking about mj not jumping 48 inches everytime how dumb he sound why would he need to it's not a dunk contest playing in a game ,and mj bear the best in the dunk contest samething lebron james was scared to play in because he don't have no dunk moves nothing but straight to the rim with power ,like I said lebron is scared of the smoke that's why he never played in a dunk contest because he's scared of losing and I don't know why because losing is what he's good that he needed wade bosh ray Allen, and then kyrie and love ,and them AD and they only got that bubble cum ring because lebron begging the league to play doing a time player's family members were dying and he knew he wasn't making it to the finals the nexts year because of all the player's coming back and look at him now costing lakers games because he chasing stats that still won't make him the goat was he going in 20 year's mj did in 13 years and play damn near all 82 games every year while lebron fake like he's hurt load managing never playing all 82 game but 1 time he's not playing in a error where going to the rim could endup getting your back broken put him back in mj error let's see if he would've still been playing 20 year's.
I just discovered this video and thank you for everything you said…I was getting agitated with how clueless he is about basketball. He needs to watch the video of MJ and Bron analytics breakdown.
How tf did this man just spend the entire video taking about James when this isn’t a video about him??
Nervousness, disbelief at what he is seeing. His brain being hit with the realization that the players he thought were the greatest are not.
Because he’s a hater.
@@GOAT23824 that’s funny. I did actually see one young man change his mind after watching multiple videos. I told him to stay away from the Kobe videos or he’ll be making another announcement.
Because he s a Labron fan blinded buy the fact hes seaing with his own eyes MJ was better all day everyday over Labron LaBron is the king of flops and crying
Cause he's another lbj d rider and doesn't know what he's talking about 🤡
If you put LeBron against Jordan today in a 1v1, I'd sell my house, my car, empty my bank account and put every cent on Jordan.
😂😂😂😂nice!!!
This is back when basketball was a contact sport. You breathe on LeBron wrong, and they'll T you up.
Lebron fans so ignorant. The thing about MJ was that he did these things every single game. Yeah, probably Lebron, Kobe and others have done these things too, but not as often as MJ. MJ was the best player in the world before he even started playing in NBA. USA olympic team vs NBA Allstar team. Guess who won? Bunch of young guys together with young MJ beat the best players in NBA. I might be wrong, but they played 6 games against each other, MJ's team won every single game. And that was before he even played his first NBA game.
Kobe maybe a little bit but Bron? HELL NO! The guy is a Kevorkian cadaver. He's too damn stiff to be as fluid as Jordan. Bron has zero aerial acrobatics. He can't walk on air like Mike. Jordan had the hang-time of Rodan. In air King Flop looks like the Hindenburg when it crashed. Only thing Queen Diva does like Black Jesus is rock the Nikes.
Wilt beats Russell
Plus this Lebron fan saying I’ve seen players do the same sh*t or better, yet forgets the whole reason they play like that is because of Jordan. Shows the ignorance of Lebron fans to discredit the players that made the game what it is today.
It was 8 times, and the MJ led team went 8-0 against Bird, Kareem, Magic, Drexler, Isaiah, etc. Team USA went 8-0 against the NBA Allstars
"It's not really Jordan, it's his fans" .. . You actually said this without a hint of irony! 😂
Right? Lebron’s emotional stans are insufferable.
That's what I say about LeBron stans lmao
@@4TheRightJAYZUSIsAVirtueSignal Exactly!
Yeh he’s trippin. Lebron got the worst fanbase of all time and it’s not even close
@@fsbuckets FACTS
Bro, that's the biggest problem. The man went from one team to another. Jordan stayed with his failures and overcame them with one team 💪
when he saw the reverse block on 19:12 he tried his best not to react. 😅
Seen something you've never seen before ei? 😂
LeBron best highlight videos are his flop compilations...no cap
The very fact that you can make such a video is why he can never be considered the🐐.The greats just don't do that.
MJ+🏀=🐐
Don't forget when he ran over 150lb Jason Terry on a 3-on-1 break... The only person he's ever actually dunked ON!
@@nathanlawson313 so he didn’t dunk on kg or Tim Duncan and more multiple times 🤣😂😭
😂😂😂😂😂
@@Zarkarian64 Lol Exactly
What makes Jordan the GOAT is everything he did he was elite at doing. He had no real weakness.
LeBron Have Weakness Michael Jordan Don't have Weakness and I Love iT.
None!!!!....
In the last 50 years, Career Résumé - Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles/ All-Star MVPs)
1st: Jordan = 49
2nd: Kobe = 34
2nd: LeBron = 34
4th: Kareem = 33
5th: Duncan = 29
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You can debate 2nd-5th place but Jordan is so far ahead of everyone else…it’s not even close. Also the most amazing thing is that Jordan accomplished all this while playing in at least 5 years less than the other players
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To put things into perspective, players like Giannis and Curry each have 14 Career Total Achievements
“i’ve seen someone do that “…. Jordon did this every night…. Peace out from the UK😊
6 Finals, 6-0, 6 Finals MVP. Most blocks by a guard ever. Won DPOY and scoring title in the same season. If he played in this soft ass, small-ass era with no checks 40+ a night easy.
And many triple doubles.
Closer to 50
Two 3peats. Dominated the NBA back then.
Facts
And never played a game 7... ever
Jordan's entire games is beautiful. He has zero weaknesses!
Facts!…he’s weakest area was his 3 pt % witch wasn’t really that week
@seanorlando5932 avg 1 shot/gm no rhythm, totally explains it, and why he could bury 6 in a half in the Finals- when he *WANTED TO*
What you'll realize is that the majority of people who say MJ is the GOAT are not MJ fans. They aren't Bulls fans. They usually have different favorite players. I'm a Nets fan and my favorite player is Jason Kidd. Yet I still acknowledge MJ's absolute greatness and influence on the game of basketball. LeBron wears 23 because of MJ. Half of Kobe's game was inspired by MJ. MJ is 6-0 in the finals and has 2 three-peats under his belt. This isn't really a debate...
Magic himself has even said Michael is the goat! No-one can do what he does
Young brother MJ had a 48 inch vertical, which is still the highest on record in NBA history. He also ran a 4.3 40 yard dash in college.
I think its 51
And can throw a football 65 yards
But he cant hit a curve ball
@@xl2783er its 48, measured at UNC in I believe 1982. Only one other NBA player has ever had this high of a vertical and its not Lebron.
I was in the 3rd and 4th grade when he played the Jazz in those two finals I remember watching it in the kitchen he was bout done then tho
Oh that "push off" highlight. IMO, not just the shot but the entire sequence leading up to that shot is the greatest sequence in NBA history. The Bulls were down 3 with like 35 seconds left. They needed a quick score so the out of bounds play went to MJ and he scored within 4 seconds. Then they were back on defense down one and needed a stop. The Jazz ran a post play for Malone with Hornacek cutting around the baseline to the weak side to give Karl more space in the post. MJ follows Hornacek, shadows behind Malone, and steals the ball on the entry pass. Brings the ball down and the rest is history. In a span of 35 seconds in a game for the NBA championship, he made a clutch basket, a clutch steal, and the shot to win it. Legendary.
that one right there made him the greatest basketball player ever.
Well said bruh
Dude was in denial the whole reaction 😂😂😂😂😂
“So much freakier” shit. You can’t even edit a video of Lebron dunking on bigs 1/3 the length of Jordan’s. Jordan with like half of his career games tapes missing in basically 11 years with bulls still easily have hours of the layup, hang time highlights over lebron’s 18 years.
Better yet, Jordan as a shooting guard has countless footage of perfect post up footworks. Lebron as a forward? Let’s say it’s serviceable.
"Freakier"? More impressive? Show me Jordan Kilganon do that stuff with Joel Embid meeting him at the rim
@@nathanlawson313 is Jordan 6’6 ? But Joel probably wouldn’t jump just like he doesn’t jump when Lebron is coming down that lane
@@javonarcher5376 Jordan vert was 46-48 inches lol lebrons is at like 40-44
Dudes talking about those tik tok dunks on 7ft rims....
The stats are freakier, LeChina has nothing on Jordan.
It was 10 teams in the league when he won 11 chips. Facts
What plenty of people don’t see is Jordan is the best because he was also the greatest defensive player. Game in and game out, season in and season out Jordan played as hard defensively as he did offensively.
My man, in a vacuum, yes, a bunch of guys can do the physical move but you don’t realize…this guy did it countless times and a ton of them were in high pressure situations.
Also…tell me one guy that had it all. The bounce, the posterizing dunks, the handles, the quickness, his ability to finish at the rim, the shot making, the clutchness, all 1st team defense 9x and finally, the maniacal competitiveness?
He was the best at almost all facets of the game from the day he entered, till the day he retired from The Bulls.
I wouldn’t say Jordan was the best at every facet of the game. But the thing that separates MJ from EVERYONE else is that he did EVERYTHING at a high level. And NO ONE else does that.
@@stonerthoosie “he was the best at ALMOST all facets of the game”
Imagine if Lebron could add a few things to his game.
Kyrie’s layup package, Dirk’s postgame, and Leonard’s defense….
Well then you just built Michael Jordan.
And it’s crazy to think MJ still had better layup package, better postgame and better defense then the dudes you mentioned
Bro These dunks are on actually BiGs. That era Had real Center on every team and he dunked on every one of them. 😂
This guy proves it kind of. He used like 10 different players that were great at doing different things to downplay Jordan’s achievements. Jordan was good at everything. Just being the best dunker or blocker will never get the goat title. You have to be the goat at everything and only Jordan did that so far. And the funny thing is the 10 players he used to compare to Jordan would admit that Jordan was better than them .
All I can say is this: the numbers don't even account for Jordan being far more technically/fundamentally sound than LeBron, possessing superior footwork, a far better back-to-basket game, a better mid-range game, having mastered the turnaround fadeaway, possessing a superior off-ball/catch-and-shoot game, and being an all-around better on-ball defender.
You're correct. And nobody talks about his help defense..not only does he have his own man locked down he's helping his teammates with his mid-air swats and passing lane steals, which led to most of his breakaway dunks.
You've seen freakier things from other players that did it once every 6 games. Jordan was highlight reel every play on both ends of the court.
Jordan is actually 6' 4" and NOT 6' 6"
Jordan has a 48 inch vertical leap
Lebron has a 44" vertical leap
This is why Jordan can fly and float
Dunking is mostly athleticism. Layups and fadeaways are skill. MJ had all of them + stats + accolades +defense = GOAT
You’re right nobody jumps 48” every time…BUT Lebron has NEVER jumped 48” off the ground…EVER and definitely not two feet and if you think VC flies and MJ doesn’t you blind bruh…all you gotta do is watch where they take off from
Vince carter had a 43 inch vertical not up there with MJ
MJ had to be careful remember he busted his head on the backboard
Jordan did all your favorite players moves before they did it and probably looks better most of the time doing it. It's undeniable, we witnessed it
MJ’s best quality is his will to win, not the most athletic plays, not the bully ball, not the most skill play. Ppl love mj bc he always shine when the team needed him to win at the very last moment. Clutch after clutch after clutch. Saving the team game after game! That’s what it counts! That’s what fans remember him!
When a team runs an era, most people want that team to lose(Yankees/90's, Cowboys/90's, Patriots/00's). When Chicago was winning, they had everyone from casuals to grandmothers watching and rooting. Now they obviously had their haters back then. But those haters mostly admit now Jordan is the goat and they respect his play. I know plenty of Knicks fans who "hate" Mike but they know he ain't to be messed with...
...Detroit fans take pride in their team trying to physically beat Jordan 5 on 1. Boston fans take pride in Bird playing with 4 other HOFers beating a baby Jordan while he played with cokeheads. You know this man is the goat when fans have to go to extreme lengths or take shit way out of context to shit on his legacy.
@@mpound97 right on the money!
He went chest to chest with every big man in the league and put him on a poster and sometimes a group picture with your teammates.
Notice u had to put LeBron with another superstar to even consider knocking off Jordan lmao
“I’ve seen lebron and Kobe do that”…..yeah who did it first…? Jordan did, that’s right lol
6 champions, 6 finals MVP, 5 regular season MVP, 10 scoring titles, 3 steals titles, 3 all star MVP, DPOTY, Rockies of the year Olympic gold, and during his 6 title runs the bulls never had a 3 game losing streak. And if his father didn’t get murdered he probably wouldn’t have retired.
He had a 48" vertical when other dudes were coming down, he was still ascending. He used tovtake off on average 15' away from the cup. And he wasn't afraid. He wanted to absolutely humiliate you! Winning wasn't enough! That lay-up against the Nets and the one against the Lakers? 😮
My friend, russell is not the goat. He played in an era with only 8 teams. The competition was fairly non-existent.
Lebron is definitely not the goat. He has too many taints in his career, from choking in 2009 and 2011 finals, to jumping from superteam to superteam, lagging on defense continuously throughout career, having to learn how to win first chip from D-Wade etc etc etc... Lebrons ship sailed long ago 🎯...
By the way, all of Jordan's dunks were when there was no defensive 3 seconds so big tall defensive centres would clog up the lane, yet mj could still break down their individual and team defenses and impose his will. Its not even close.
Not even close?! I've been saying that for years. And I was fortunate to have seen both prime Mike and Bron in person, a few times. Jordan had the faster twitching muscles, superior bounce and hang-time, better mid-air body control, could jump off one or two feet, was quicker, had better reflexes, footwork and handles. And we all know Jordan had the mental of a killer in serial. We all know mentally Bron is Vagisil cream. He'd rather pass than beast his defender. I remember when a teammate of his (Chalmers) called him a bitch during a time-out of a game cause King Flop was playing too passively. Can you imagine a Jordan teammate ever calling him that cause Mike wasn't ballin' tenaciously enough? And not trying to be mean but this guy doing this reaction looks as bright as JR Smith in crunch-time. I'm sure he had no idea there was only 10 teams back then and that Russell played with 5 hall-of-famers, which four of them have a higher NBA Finals ppg than Russell. So he had plenty of help. And you can't be in GOAT conversation when you only averaged 15 ppg for your career while shooting only .440 from the field. For a center that's abysmal.
@@katrinachavez3533 🎯
If there was a Category called "Most Arrogant", LeBron would get the gold by tell all of us he's the goat. If there was a Category called "Most Humble", MJ obviously would win that one.
People will look you in the face and say LBJ could've carried that Bulls team past Larry Bird and the Celtics. Whatever they smoking on is alot stronger than Kush! LBJ had 4 HOF on his team when he won his 1st ring but KD is crucified for the same thing! Bron fans take several seats plz!
Imagine you're a Bulls fan in 1987 and despite you're best player breaking the scoring record and averaged 39.5 ppg in 2 series against a dynasty celtics team with 4 future HOFs, how would u feel if your team's mgmt. can only provide TWO ROOKIES as "help" for jordan to go deep in the playoffs and win a championship? A 5th pick, non division 1 player (pippen) and a 10th pick power forward (h.grant). Then eventually hired a ROOKIE nba coach (phil jackson)? Would u feel emboldened and think your team is gonna beat the celtics, the bad boys and the lakers?
Imagine Dan Gilbert telling this to lebron in 2010: "Hey lebron i have good news for you, we got the 5th pick and the 10 pick this coming draft! So... you're not thinking about leaving us am i right?!!!" 😂😂😂😂😂
I bet lebron's reaction is to call Dwade on the spot and tell him it's an emergency! 😁😁😁
Btw, let's look at lebron's team mates in his career (so far):
Dwade - 5th pick, 13x all star, considered by many as 3rd greatest SG of all time
Chris Bosh - 4th pick, 11x all star
Ray Allen - 5th pick, 10x all star, one of the best 3pt shooters of all time
Kyrie Irving - 1st pick, 6x all star
Kevin Love - 5th pick, 5x all star
Anthony Davis - 1st pick, 7x all star
Russell Westbrook - 4th pick, 9x all star (former mvp)
And lets also not forget about his notable support players who were former all stars/superstars/champions/ like rondo, shaq, dwight, deron williams, derrick rose, IT, Ilgauskus, Kyle Korver , Mo williams, Rashard Lewis, brandon ingram, Carmelo Anthony, Deandre Jordan, Trez Herrell (former SMOY), Marc Gasol, Andre Drummond (2x allstar, 4x reb. king). He also got notable established role players like larry hughes, wally szczerbiak, antawn jamison, shane battier, juwan howard, mike miller, Udonis haslem, james jones, Birdman, Jae crowder, Rich jefferson, Jose calderon, jr smith, george hill, jordan clarkson, tyson chandler, danny green, lonzo ball etc.
Then consider the fact that he switched teams 3x, where each teams overhauled their roster for him. 71 players were traded under his watch (45 total trades). And we all know that Lebron is the main recruiter for Klutch Sports and not rich paul (who were just selling jerseys when he first met lebron). And that made it easier for lebron to get AD (who's also a client of Klutch Sports).
Dude started by saying "Im going to be the voice of reason" but continue to shit on everything Jordan do.
Jordan played in a era where there’s nobody like him and that also benefited him 😂😂
"Jordan played in a era where there’s nobody like him and that also benefited him 😂😂"
Im glad you noticed that there was no one like MJ lol he was 1 of 1.
And If you're talking about comp there was plenty.
Mitch Richmond , Juwan Howard , Clyde Drexler , David Robinson , Chris Mullin , Glen Rice , Joe Dumars , Karl Malone , John Stockton , Patrick Ewing , Charles Barkley , Hakeem Olajuwon , Reggie Miller , Larry Johnson[Grandma Ma] . Alonzo Mourning ,
Shaquille O'Neil , Penny Hardaway , Latrell Sprewell , Tim Hardaway , Jason Kidd , Chris Webber , Shawn Kemp , Gary Payton , Grant Hill , Dominique Wilkins , Kevin Johnson , Magic Johnson , Isaiah Thomas , Larry Bird , Rod Strickland , Dikembe Mutombo ,
Antonio McDyess , James Worthy , Steve Smith , Mark Jackson , Isaiah Rider , Kevin Garnet , Eddie Jones , Rik Smits , Allan Houston , Rasheed Wallace , Dee Brown , Stacey Augmon[The Plastic Man] , Rodney Rodgers , Rex Chapman , Byron Scott , Jalen Rose ,
Jamal Mashburn , Jimmy Jackson etc etc the list can continue....
LeBron fans know He can't catch Michaels accolades so they have to try to diminish his era and comp lol.
If Mike did't retire those 2 years , this wouldn't even be a discussion.
The only thing LeBron has over MJ is longevity , and even thats tainted , Go look up LeBron James and PEDS aka Steroids to help heal his body , believe us when LBJ retires all will come to light.
UFC fighter Chael said LeBron is on PEDS and him and LeBron share the same dealer lol , other reports have been written about LeBron James and PEDS but have been payed to not see daylight to have been brushed aside , LeBron James is Adam Silvers cash cow at the moment ...when he retires all will come to light.
Fake goat Manufactured goat Bought goat.
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@@sunnydayz8747 did anybody you name avg 30-35 points per game ?
If you didn't watch him live, you'll never understand..
You say “I seen people do that before” but he is the one person doing ALL.OF.THEM.ALL.THE.TIME!
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Jordan did East bay from the free throw line ? So Jordan doing a 360 windmill dunk 🤔
@@javonarcher5376 you have to understand Jordan possesses the athleticism to do any NBA feat. As far as strength goes, Jordan grab blocked the ball from Shaq with one hand. The thing about MJ is, Quoting Alinzo Mourning, he's the one player with no weaknesses. He only gambled on defense half as much as Kobe, took smarter shots than Kobe, due to college discipline, LeBron is a giver because of his elementary coach, so he didnt need college, unless you mean for accolades. Kobe is the mamba, a snake which attacks without provocation, because he's always felt like an outsider. Jordan is Jordan because during the riotous activity of the 80's, drinking in the locker room and doing cocaine, he stayed into basketball alone like Kobe. Kobe is new school, so hes socially awkward. Kobe is the Westcoast Jordan, Vince is Jordan, replacing the desire to destroy with the desire to show off, Iverson is a mini-Jordan minus the desire to sacrifice his free-time. Grant Hill was a even more physical Jordan but more focused on team success, than individual, like a quicker, skinnier Lebron, T-Mac was like a LeBron if LeBron decided to be more offensive minded, and scored from the midrange. LeBron is a pure basketball player...a more athletic Magic Johnson, but Magic was more gifted with vision, LeBron is as skilled with passing angles. Magic could have scored like LeBron. Bird was more offensive minded than LeBron, less fearful than LeBron, and more patient than LeBron. LeBron played like Bird in the playoffs against the Pacers in 2018, what I call his best series ever - LeBron has the athleticism of a Dominique Wilkins, and the game of Magic. Kobe and LeBron in a series woulda been awesome but LeBron fell to Dwight's shooter crew. If LeBron stayed in Cleveland, he goes down as a folk hero, like A.I., even if he only won 1 championship....but see, you gotta be tougher in decisionmaking and in public to wear that 23....you cant be soft at all.....an that's why he is shunned. People dont dream of stopping LeBron. I'm nicer than LeBron, an would not fight on the court, but I guarantee they'd fear me......the only folk who feared LeBron was Toronto.....imagine every NBA team being in fear of embarrassment.....that's what Jordan had.....therefore he became a superhero to not only kids, but grown men....tough men. LeBron is respected by tough men, but not feared by them. You dont think LeBron will embarrass you -he might embarrass yall one time with a far 3, a between the legs pass or a dunk unexpectedly, Jordan will embarrass folks 4+ times a game, if not more....one might be the game winner.... but since Jordan came before LeBron an Jordan was cutthroat in his playing style, playing amongst cutthroats, even the generation of players who came during and after his time were cutthroat....they link cutthroat to the number 23....not just greatness....he shoulda took Grant Hills number or DR J's.......Grant Hill was as nice as LeBron yet even he was more cuttroat.....LeBron is a bigger Penny Hardaway, and gives us a glimpse of what his and Grant's career would have looked like. That being said, LeBron sonned the Celtics in 2018, and I appreciated the calm strength he showed - even minus Kyrie. APEX LeBron is against the Warriors in 2015 when he got exhausted and lost....the Cavs should have 3 finals Rings , and Lebron should have 5 rings, but KD came. 6 if he turned up on Dallas an didnt shrink under the pressure to be evil, 4 if Ray Allen misses that shot. None if Grant an Penney stayed healthy. The east woulda been tough. That being said, if Magic stayed healthy an Jordan played Hakeem in 94 an 95, Jordan would have 5 but they wouldnt be consecutive because basketball is still a big mans game. The sixth ring woulda been hard to come by for Lebron, because on the Cavs or Lakers, Lebron woulda worn down in 2019, from teams giving the Cavs or Lakers they best shots in the regular season. But because the players lack so many fundamentals nowadays, there are no 7 footers hardly and the 3 is encouraged which opens the paint even more, LeBron is able to dominate. LeBron turns into Karl Malone in the 90's, slightly lighter, slightly shorter, with better passing....ala Shawn Kemp. Lebron by year 5 needed a running mate like Pippen, but who ? KG ? Ray Allen ? Some player who went to Jail ? Some player who died young ? Probably ? But if Vince an T-Mac had stayed together - if iverson had come to LeBron in 2008....if KG had gone to Iverson.....or Joel Embiid had gone to the Cavs.......well he had Kyrie. LeBron and Durant or Kobe together could beat Jordan and Pippen 2 on 2....but 5 on 5, Jordan will exploit your team all game like LeBron did to the Raptors......and LeBron or KD will become frustrated because of their team being embarrassed and their game would disintegrate. Because if Jordan being smaller and slicker, he'll draw more fouls than them both, with any rules. Jordan + anyone equals championship. Kyrie proved that's not true in 2017.
@@javonarcher5376 Yes plus Lebron is a big guy dunking on little guy Jordan was dunking on Centers plus these new soft rules Jordan would average 40 pts a game
@@javonarcher5376 he actually did do a 360 dunk with 2 hands. Not in an actual game but yeah he's done it before. Magic said he did it during the dream team practice.
Where does he think they all got it from? It looks basic nowadays because everyone tries to pull off a variation of it.
I get that you seen this stuff before but the guys you saw doing it, based their game off of this man right here. He invented a lot of These moves that you see today
Post fadeaway was already there jelly lays were here before Jordan
Was doing them though 360 windmills weren’t 360 scoops weren’t a thing but they pay homage to rock the cradle because that’s dr.j dunk that mj took
@@javonarcher5376 Mj has the best fadeaway of all time, best mid range shooter of all time, 4 foot vertical which is just as high as ANY player in nba history including today's league, best footwork of all time, most acrobatic jelly layups and best balance in mid air, top 25 defender of all time, ran a 4.38 40 yard dash which is one of the fastest in nba history( Russell Westbrook ran a 4.30 and he's probably the fastest pg in nba history)
@@javonarcher5376 no one had Jordan’s post packages n footwork
@@TheSands83 Hakeem olajuwon did
@@pp3k3jamail he’s talking about b4 jordan dude. Hakeem n Jordan’s post games parallel each other. Hakeem didn’t have a great post game early in his career either. The guy was saying b4 Jordan guys had that in their game wich they didn’t. No one in nba history has had that kind of post game n footwork but for a handful of guys.. n like Kobe got it from Jordan
You have to also remember that Jordan is a guard doing all this stuff and Lebron plays small forward
Don't forget he was the first to do all that. He had no one to learn from, he created and mastered it all
Something I noticed about his layups and dunks, they look flashy and extra, but everything he did was for a reason. Especially once he was winning titles, everything was precision, no flair. If he tomahawk dunked, he was protecting the ball. 360 in the air, he was getting contact for a 3pt play while protecting the ball. Nothing was on accident, or just for show. He was a surgeon.
Amen! Exactly! Like Ali or Maradona! People only see the flashy stuff. They were miles beyond that.
By the way, you said everyone has done these things. Well not a single player ever played harder than MJ.
Players who got scoring title and Defensive first team selection in same season -
MJ - 9 times..
Kobe - 3 times.
Everyone else - 0 times.
And MJ played only 14 seasons. 2 of them were when he was 38-40 years old. And one season he was injured almost for the whole season.
If there's anyone who can be called the goat, it's undoubtfully MJ. Not Lebron, not Bill Russell, not Kobe, not Wilt, not anyone else.
Every player can do that because of they want to became mj... Like iverson said
Bill Russel is the GOAT 😂. That mf shot 50% from the free throw line....
Haters gone hate Don't give LeBron a UTI from holding on them nuts
lebron wouldn't win no titles if he played in the jordan era-the defenders were tougher. and his clutch rating was higher than any other player, including bird, lebron, and kobe and jerry west
FACTS
In all honesty, they way you feel about Jordan fans are the same way Jordan fans feel about Lebron fans.. the difference is, including you..Lebron fans are arguing that he is the goat while knowing virtually nothing on any other player who isn't currently playing or maybe retired after 2010. Have actually seen nothing but 5 mins of the most common highlights from likely Jordan. Majority have not seen one highlight of Magic, Bird or any other..know nothing of what they did for the game. How do you debate who is better A or B when you haven't seen virtually any highlight, video, seen or studied stats and certainly haven't watched any actual game footage?
Yet, what you make a good point about is Jordans hand size and what that allowed him to do, the control on the ball. He could palm the ball of the dribble, rebound, or catching. That is different, I think there are very few in the league over 6'5 who can't palm the ball but to not need a second hand to secure it and to be able to palm at any time in game speed is very very rare.
Never did i say he’s the goat but i don’t think he’s on a level where Lebron isn’t in company with if we’re looking at stats 🤔
@@javonarcher5376 I know for a fact you haven't checked those stats cus what you said is all BS.
“Show me something!”
Michael Jordan levitating
“Show me something!”
Michael Jordan trowing laser beams from his eyes
“I’ve seen that shit tons of times. Show me something!”
Michael Jordan turns into a dragon and starts spitting fire on the stage.
“THAT’S NOT IMPRESSIVE!! SHOW ME SOMETHIIIIIING!!!
1. Jordan was in a league where everyone could stand under the hoop, and he still dunked on them
2. LeBron doesn't move or hit shots like MJ. You must be high to not see that. MJ dunked from the foul line and has far more impressive ups. In fact, he has the highest vertical in NBA history
Magic Johnson-“ there’s MJ then there’s everybody else”
Lebron has been injured numerous times in what is considered the "softest era of basketball ever". I seriously doubt he'd have done much in the 80's or 90's, besides warn a bench on injury reserve.
Lebron is one the greatest players of all time and he's the only one that has a Flop Highlights.
FACTS the NBA is HORRIBLY SOFT now smdh 🤦♂️
Thats the reason why I stopped watching NBA, shits boring now compared to before
@@StepnieW That's funny 🤣🤣🤣
LeBron in MJ's era he will be crying to the refs when Oakley, Mourning, Shaq, Rodman, Barkley, Ewing, Larry Johnson will put him on the ground
Lebron has done something that MJ NEVER did, lose in the FINALS! G.O.A.T debate is now officially over.
The thing is that Kobe and LeBron saw Jordan play and wanted to be like Mike. He was the inspiration for how they play.
What you need to understand is being the GOAT is a combination of stats, chips and accolades. Maybe you’ve seen some of this stuff already…where you think these guys got it from? Jordan has the highest per game scoring average. Longevity numbers just mean you played a long time. Russell had 11 rings but there was only 8 teams in the league. Lebron has all around stats. But he’s quit a bunch of times. Jordan has the combination of stats, chips and accolades. Not to mention that he NEVER gave up even when the odds were stacked against him. And he did it at both ends of the court his whole career.
The truth! If it was all about chips it would be Russell, even though he played with FIVE hall-of-famers, four of them averaged more ppg in Finals than Bill - so he was carried offensively. If it was all about stats it would be Wilt. If it was all about unguardable move it would be Kareem. If it was all about longevity it would be King Flop. If it was all about maniacal mental it would be Bird. But if it was everything combined it's Black Jesus - he who didn't walk on water cause he preferred the air.
My dude Mike got 6 chips, 6 finals mvp’s, 9 defensive first team, only player to have two seasons with 100 blocks and 200 steals
The difference is nobody saw them kinda moves at that time.... LeBron doesn't do any moves that nobody hasn't seen 😂
Stats don’t lie. Jordan is the GOAT. PERIOD.
i was laughing my ass off when he said that lebron would join up with magic and win 8 chips. I agree. He would be the type to join up with another all star. I disagree though with the 8 chips just because of the presence of the man in the video in that era.
Also, you claim that people should base their goat rankings on statistics, analytics and the eye test? I don’t know what source you got, but MJ beats bron in all of those too.
Lebron would been crying the whole game 😂😂😂😂
Jordan far superior than LeBron.. I've watched both their careers and it's comical cuz Jordan is on a different level
Don’t forget he did everything first.
I'm old enough to have seen both MJ and LBJ but not old enough to have seen Russell but here's my take on it.
I think Jordan is the BEST player of all time when EVERYTHING is considered. Bill Russell is the most valuable.
I think people say Jordan is a better dunker than Vince because Jordan recorded way more in your face dunks than Vince. Please react to Jordan unreal facial dunks collection and you'll see what I mean.
Anyway good react young blood I know it's hard to believe there was someone better than your fav player but there it is.
Peace.
Ain’t no way Jordan a better than Vince I’ve done witness Vince windmilled and bodied people reversed and dunked on someone jump over a 7 footer he cleared a 7 footer Jordan wasn’t built that way no offense. Bill Russell got 11 chips he lost right at the end of career he’s the greatest winner of all time and it’s not close between him and Jordan it’s the fact Jordan is a guard just my personal opinion.
Oh we playing the GOAT game? One problem which rules are we playing? If your basing your GOAT on only one criteria winning then cool then Russell is your man.
I'll base my GOAT criteria on a combination of winning, accolades, eye test, stats, domination on BOTH ends of the floor. MJ comes out on top for me.
Regarding Vince. Much respect to Air Canada but I prefer Air Jordan's style of dunks. To me Vince's dunks while spectacular looks a little too robotic and he did not have the hangtime that MJ had. MJ was also a more ferocious in game dunker. Please check out Jordan Unreal Facial Dunks to see what I'm talking about.
Peace
@@harissonbond7499 lol robotic isn’t that Jordan he didn’t have the finesse while carter had everything in terms of dunking power finesse full rotation full extension on every dunk accolades Jordan isn’t the first in everything but he’s at least top 5 in most category Kareem 6 chips 6mvps 2fmvps while playing 20 years bill Russell 11 time champion the goat of winning Jordan a 10x scorer 5 mvps 6 fmvps wilt avg 50 and 20 Jordan ain’t never
@@RizzlerTsu Exactly theres many diff criteria for GOAT so depending on the criteria there can be more than one GOAT. I wont argue with someone that has Kareem, Rusell or Wilt as their GOAT
But when everything NBA is considered I still think MJ is the GOAT over Kareem. Jordan was the man on every single finals while old Kareem was being carried by Magic in his later years(2 finals mvp < 6 finals mvp).
If u think about it, only jordan among the players in the GOAT conversation is not a freak of nature. Wilt was the biggest and strongest player in nba history.. Kareem was one of the tallest in his era at 7'2. Lebron is the biggest and probably the most athletic wing player (height+mass) in nba history at 6'9, 260 lbs. Bill Russell was an athletic 6'10 player. Magic and Bird were 6'9. They all benefited from their size in a sports league where the average height is 6'5/6'6.
Jordan was just an average sized basketball player at 6'6, 195-215 lbs. and dominated the league for a decade.
Also, Bill Russell played when there were 10 teams and less playoff games, so it was easier to get a ring if you were as good as he was. And Jordan played in an era that was so much more physical than this era. You can not do half the things they did to Jordan. The amount of hard fouls players put on him going into the paint was ridiculous, but it didn't stop him. You couldn't do that in this soft league today.
Actually his first few titles there was only 8 teams total in the NBA. Even less impressive...
@@nathanlawson313 wow, 8 teams? When you put it like that, yes that's even less impressive.
Still won 8 straight
While Jordan didn’t even play against good comp in the finals
@@javonarcher5376 You need to watch a video on Jordan's competition.
MJ is the G.O.A.T., Lebron and all these other players in the cupcake era would get flattened in the far more physical era of the 80’s and 90’s. The Pistons and Knicks would make Lebron cry, MJ is on a level no current player even understands…
LeBron will never be like MJ, no matter what he does. MJ the GOAT
Lebron played 16 yrs and still playing the game, and michael jordan played 15 plus didn't play for a year in basketball but when he came back he was back to dominate once again.
having to listen to the level of hate make this video truly miserable to watch. coming from someone who can’t admit that everyone else got it from MJ and we’re yet to see any new age player replicate these moves consistently…and at will.
Vertical Leap:
Jordan = 48 inches...highest ever!!!
Levine = 46 inches
LeBron = 44 inches
Morant = 44 inches
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On top of that, Jordan had the fastest 40 yard dash time of those players.
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Jordan's was 4.3 seconds
LeBron's was 4.6 seconds
As a younger fan you have seen freaky stuff from today’s players like LeBron, Kobe & Kyrie, but they copied M.J.’s moves, so in reality what you See them do is M.J.’s. What M.J. did he copied from Dr. J. That is why being ‘A STUDENT OF THE TOTAL GAME’ is so imperative, not just players in your specific era that you have watched, because the generations of players before is the platform for the next generation that you currently see. Enjoy the journey!
One last comment, and this is not exclusive to you: it is so tired to talk about that ““ push off. Russell was a grown man running that direction in Jordan used his fingertips. So either he is Thanos and can throw a grown man 3 feet with his fingertips, or he faked the dude out of his sneakers while his fingertips where on his hips. It’s really just basic physics.
Everything you “seen before” was done by Jordan before lebron, kyrie etc
You blow a lot of smoke. You haven't seen these things done better, because no one has done them better. In terms of depth, range and impact, no one's better than MJ.
"He don't jump 48 inches every time " 😂😂😂
I love when youngins see him for the first time and you get it based off just a few select highlights lol. His athleticism and grace pop off the screen don't it?? The finesse and power he played with was unparalleled..