Lessons from Lobsters | Jordan Peterson
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- Dr. Peterson explains the significance of lobsters and the lessons they teach us.
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Anyways, lobsters are creatures that engage in dominance disputes. I think "dominance" is the right way to think about it. Lobsters aren’t very empathic, and they aren’t very social, and so it really is the toughest lobster that wins. What's so cool about the lobster is that, when a lobster wins, he flexes and gets bigger. He looks bigger because he’s a winner. It’s like he’s advertising that. The neurochemical system that makes him flex is serotonergic. You think, well, who cares? What the hell does that mean? I’ll tell you what that means: it’s the same chemical that’s affected by antidepressants in human beings. If you’re depressed, you’re a defeated lobster. You’re like, I'm small, things are dangerous. I don’t want to fight. You give someone an antidepressant, up they stretch, and then they’re ready to take on the world again. Well, if you give lobsters who just got defeated in a fight serotonin, then they stretch out and they’ll fight again. We separated from those creatures on the evolutionary time scale somewhere between 350-600 million years ago, and the damn neurochemistry is the same!
That’s another indication of just how important hierarchies of authority are: they’ve been conserved since the time of lobsters. There weren’t trees around when lobsters first manifested themselves on the planet. What that means is these hierarchies that I've been talking about are older than trees. One of the truisms for what constitutes real, from a Darwinian perspective, is that which has been around the longest period of time, because it’s had the longest period of time to exert selection pressure. Well, we know we evolved and lived in trees something along the order of 60 million years ago. We’re talking 10 times as far back as that for the hierarchy. The idea that the hierarchy is something that's exerted selection pressure on human beings is not a disputable issue. How it’s done it, and exactly what that means, we can argue about. But that sort of biological continuity is just absolutely unbelievable.
I didn't discover this. I read about it, and I talked to my graduate students about it. I used to take them out for breakfast. They were a very contentious, snappy bunch. They were always trying to one-up each other, and they were quite witty. For like six months-until it got very annoying-every time one of them one-upped the other, they’d stretch themselves out and snap their hands. That was very funny. It was really, very funny. So you see this in lobsters, and that's pretty amazing.
One of the other things that's really cool about lobsters is that-let’s say you’ve been top lobster for a long time, but you're getting kind of old, and some young lobster just wails the hell out of you, and so you're all depressed. Your brain is dominant, but you’re a lobster; you don’t have much of a brain. So now what are you going to do? The answer is, well, your brain will dissolve, and then you’ll grow a subordinate brain. Yea. That’s worth thinking about, too, for a couple of reasons....
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"If you're depressed, you're a defeated lobster"
Glass half empty or half full.
Other version: If you're depressed, there is hope. Work your way through small successes and you will slowly beat it. Here is some biological theory behind such advice.
@@user-oj8ks5sp3h congratz for missing the point. what kind of lobster are you?😀
@@nocomment3294 I can't even remember my thought process behind posting this. Thanks for your congratulations.
@@user-oj8ks5sp3h Sry for beeing so abbrasive, the internet works some strange magic on us all.
@@nocomment3294 is the internet the one to blame?
As a depressive lobster myself, I can say this is 100% accurate.
Hail lobster
Lmao
@@fooballguy3479 praise the lörb brother
It is obviously false for humans. Bezos is top dog not because of Serotonin. There are plenty of people who have power because society allows it not because they won a fight. Peterson is so wrong I can’t believe anyone takes this stuff seriously.
i love steroids
I showed this speech to my goldfish. It became my shark
I love this 😜
lol
I thought you were going to say..."It became an alpha lobster".
CLEAN YOUR DAMN TANK
Stop! LOL. This was funny
Lobsters lives matter.
Serotonin for all!!!
Good one!
Yes all lives including lobsters 🙏
@@googly108 That should be interesting, as animals do not respect eachother at all, come to think of it.
Bigger lobsters may be more dominant, but in my experience, the smaller ones are more tender and delicious with butter.
Cruel
@@marinagimenezleal I like crab too.
@@andrewheffel3565 Omg. Really? Are you also gonna tell me which music you like, your movie taste and your favorite shampoo? Super interested here.
@@marinagimenezleal i use a natural curl cream for my long curly hair. it’s called “Curly Meringue”. i’ve been using it for a couple of months and my curls have never looked better
@@marinagimenezleal I personally really like the flavor of Terminator 2, I know that all DVDS are basically the same object but I specifically seasoned my Terminator 2 disc before consumption
Jordan,The Lobster King,is back. 🦞🔥
Jordan Peterson's student - *wins an argument*
Also Jordan Peterson's student - *spreads lobster arms*
😂
And so it begins! LOBSTER TIME
“Lobsters manifested themselves into the planet” -Doctor, professor & lobster Jordan B Peterson
& lobster 💀💀💀
Be like a Cobra. A bloody combo of intelligence and venom.
A reptile (cold blooded) to which humans (warm blooded and mammal) can’t at all relate to.
I heard we have a reptilian brain
Sai Intelligence? Try to send a cobra to college, see how it fares.
Well, "integrate the cobra" is perhaps a more effective idea, right? True we've got a reptilian brain, and it's unfortunate to neglect it, but we do also have that whole neocortex going on as well.
Strike first
Strike hard
No mercy
As a biologist, I just want to remind everyone that serotonin is used by both vertebrates and invertebrates, however it does not do the same thing in both. Infact many chemicals that affect the nervous systems are shared, but act differently between vertebrates and invertebrates.
This is because we share an ancestor with invertebrates, but that ancestor was a primitive worm that makes todays worms seem very advanced. We both inherited a incredibly basic nervous system from this worm, but thats basically it, and because it was so basic it evolved into many variations over time.
So in invertebrates such as lobsters it does cause agression. In humans it doesn't. Infact it causes happiness, and a heightened sense of awareness that helps you learn and remember events.
In other words we are not lobsters, and biochemistry isnt actaully identical between different species, family, or genus
It is not just a matter of levels. It is a matter of ratios to other neurotransmitters.
Very relatable, lobster society really do be giving me that seratonin
Just wanna clarify as someone working in the field of biology that serotonin acts entirely differently in humans and lobsters. In fact, this difference is practically split down the lines of vertebrates and invertebrates.
Vertebrates feel a sense of heightened awareness, and happiness, while also having better memory retention during times of high serotonin. Essentially its really good for learning and socializing with others, not fighting.
In invertebrates like lobsters serotonin causes agression and may increase irritability
If you want a simple answer why its because lobsters and their ancestors lived in poor environments that lead to fighting for resources. Our early ancestors lived in environments where we had plenty of resources, and were safer from predators if we formed cohesive groups. You can stop here if you want, but i explain it in a bit more detail below.
This is because lobsters have evolved to compete with each other in a resource scarece environment. The one who survives to pass on their genes was the one who could take food from others. So the biggest and most aggressive make the babies
Humans, on the other hand, have evolved from ancestors who lived in more resource rich environments. Our ancestors' main concerns were predation and accessing those resources in our environment
One could avoid predation by being part of a group. However to exist as group you had to get along with others in close proximity. It was also highly beneficial to remeber the habits, tendencies, and dislikes of others so you were better able to predict where, when, or how to find your group again later
Accessing resources in our environment was also alot easier if you worked as a group. Tasks such as hunting, home making, caring for young, and gathering resources were a lot easier when you could delegate tasks to different people who work for the collective good. Individual tasks could also be made easier if multiple people were to do them together as a group.
In humans this was especially important because surviving as a group rather than an individual allowed us to share knowledge and even have designated individuals who mastered tool making and other skills to benefit the collective. Group survival is the basis on which all society began
Humans aren't lobsters, and biochemical processes vary between taxonomic groups
The birth of lobster meme
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Dr. Peterson is so good, he had me looking at videos of fighting lobsters after reading about this on his book.
Wth, I just read it and got here after watching a video of two lobsters fighting. Lol
Same with me all the way from Zimbabwe Africa 😄😄😄😄😄
I just started reading his book and this was the first chapter
Thaks 🍀
Well said.
Dias llew!
I want to hear more about what happens to the brain after you've undergone PTSD.
Amygdala and Hippocampus.
Where can I get more information on that??
Does Jordan have a lecture on that?
I am sure he does. We do have a neuroplastic brain so many things can be recovered, the science of hope and faith is strong 💪 🤍🙂
CLEAN YOUR LOBSTER!
SLAY YOUR ROOM!
RESCUE YOUR WHALE!
TO JORDAN ALL HAIL!
@Wise Acres Just having fun dont take serious.
Hail Lobster
"Your brian is dominant, but you don't have much of a brian because you're a lobster."
I take this as a compliment 🤣🤣🤣
Brain not Brian!😮
thank u loved this so hlpful useful and important for me to know so greatful fo all your vids there so beautiful
Lobster king 👑🦞👑🦞👑🦞👑🦞
I can't believe this comparison is so accurate!
serotonin in most vertebrates causes the opposite of aggression. It causes a feeling of understanding, happiness, and heightened memory and awareness. In invertebrates, it typically causes aggression
Thanks...lm glad you understand Greg!!!! Grrrrr...
Fun stuff. Reminds me of Joseph Cambel.
You know that the last common ancestor between lobsters and humans( which is basically the last common ancestor between vertebrates and arthropods) was an animal that ate and shit out of the same orifice and which has a very rudimentary nervous system so i don't think the same rules apply.
Octopus 🐙
I mean it might. The question is not where it ingests or scheiße's out of, more about whether the same principle of the dominance hierarchy exists.
True... But we do have serotonin in our body. While we are definitely not primitive, we can definitely feel dominant and depressed and it literally depends on your success and defeat to trigger it.
Sometimes to understand something that looks complex you have to look at the basics.
Jordan Peterson doesn’t even get his small lobster facts right (lobsters originated in the cretaceous period, the same cretaceous with the tyrannosaur’s and ankylosaur’s and such), do you seriously think he could get a serious idea with critical political implications correct?
@briang.2218 Just wanna clarify as someone working in the field of biology that serotonin acts entirely differently in humans and lobsters. In fact, this difference is practically split down the lines of vertebrates and invertebrates.
Vertebrates feel a sense of heightened awareness, and happiness, while also having better memory retention during times of high serotonin. Essentially its really good for learning and socializing with others, not fighting.
In invertebrates like lobsters serotonin causes agression and may increase irritability
If you want a simple answer why its because lobsters and their ancestors lived in poor environments that lead to fighting for resources. Our early ancestors lived in environments where we had plenty of resources, and were safer from predators if we formed cohesive groups. You can stop here if you want, but i explain it in a bit more detail below.
This is because lobsters have evolved to compete with each other in a resource scarece environment. The one who survives to pass on their genes was the one who could take food from others. So the biggest and most aggressive make the babies
Humans, on the other hand, have evolved from ancestors who lived in more resource rich environments. Our ancestors' main concerns were predation and accessing those resources in our environment
One could avoid predation by being part of a group. However to exist as group you had to get along with others in close proximity. It was also highly beneficial to remeber the habits, tendencies, and dislikes of others so you were better able to predict where, when, or how to find your group again later
Accessing resources in our environment was also alot easier if you worked as a group. Tasks such as hunting, home making, caring for young, and gathering resources were a lot easier when you could delegate tasks to different people who work for the collective good. Individual tasks could also be made easier if multiple people were to do them together as a group.
In humans this was especially important because surviving as a group rather than an individual allowed us to share knowledge and even have designated individuals who mastered tool making and other skills to benefit the collective. Group survival is the basis on which all society began
Humans aren't lobsters, and biochemical processes vary between taxonomic groups
Your editing is great. Keep going.
You cannot compare humans to a Lobster.
HAIL LOBSTER
I love that man... He needs to be P.M of the UK we really need him...
AMAZING!!!
LOVE
Squirrels life's matter .on my daily 4 mile walk I fond a squirrel that had been run over by a car. It was paralyzed in the back, went home got a box 2 towels, went back and brought it home. At first it tried to bite me and then it just settled down, put water and peanuts in front of it and it passed comfortable. Lesson learned if I had left that injured animal there it would have haunted me for life. When I buried it I had haunting no more.
I accidentally washed a baby bird out of a tiny sparrow nest hidden in one of my flower pots hanging from the roof. Figured I'd let the mom and dad sort it out. Came back 6 or 7 hours later, poor little guy was still on the ground, terrified and shivering and clearly hungry. I felt incredibly guilty for not picking him up. I got out the ladder and put him back up in the flowerpot, hoping the parent birds would return. Less than an hour later, they heard its cries and came back to the nest.
How do you get the hippocampus to grow again?
Heil Lobster!
wow I think my brain shrunk and re-grew dumber for having watched that
Praying for You my guy 😇and... thinking craving a nice big 🦞, the winner would be nice in garlic butter sauce. Sorry but I happen to be top of the food chain, my amygdala and 🦛 campus is bigger.
Rooter Carter The lobster you are about to eat soon is too stupid to care about your mental superiority. Plus, you will get wtf pwned by aging and death and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
So serotonin can give you the energy or feeling of being strong and brave to fight again... however the doctor said on another interview that dominant doesn't mean aggressive. However watch this vid if serotonin makes a lobster fight again than it's making them aggressive.
i dont think aggressive is the exact term, working to survive is what lobsters do. i think its just means that serotonin can give strength to work again instead of wallowing in self pity
Dominance doesn’t always imply aggressive but whoever is dominant sure better have the ability to be aggressive at any moment because their rise to dominance will be a quick fall down from the top as someone equally dominant as you comes about but they are far more aggressive and their goal is to annoy you or set the tone for whatever circumstance. Setting the tone for a majority of situations usually determines the outcome. I look at dominance as an outcome of someone’s priorities and character while aggressiveness as a skill that unfortunately some people adopt as a character trait because of its success rate it produces as compared to something like confidence.
Can we have a talk or discussion between him and sadguru
If we are thinking about the same sadguru, then that debate would be humiliating to Jordan because "sadguru" Is just useless in terms of actual science.
Fabulous !! Thank You very much Dr. Peterson we love you ✝️🙏♥️🇺🇸
yeah he definately needs that love.... but money would be more appreciated
His last comment made me lol fo' realz!
PLEASE PLEASE draw Jordan Peterson as a Lobster!!
LOBSTERSONA
#HailRedLobster
Is that really true that once the Amygdala has grown due to PTSD and anxiety it will never shrink again if one has a recovery from these mental conditions?
@Wise Acres Sorry don't know what that means?
It does shrink if u re-process the trauma which can be done through EMDR or Brainspotting
@@TheBakingGirlShow thank you Eva. That's good to know
❤️❤️
Just tried to talk about lobsters at work. People ain't ready for JP
They’re as brainless as lobsters. And work is not a Philosophy Club
serotonin in most vertebrates causes the opposite of aggression. It causes a feeling of empathy, happiness, and heightened memory and awareness. In invertebrates, it typically causes aggression
Might boost the views if the title/thumbnail said something along the lines of “Fight Like The Lobster” or “Rise Of The Lobster” or “The King Lobster” etc or something about the journey of it battling its way to the top of a dominance hierarchy but it’s also good as is! I’m sure it’s on track to blow up anyway. Feel free to delete this, just sending you the message. Loved the video
Now we know Jordan teaches undergraduate lobsters.
People are like lobsters, they have layers
I think I have expetienced the growth of the amygdala. I used to smoke a lot and often get anxiety, which led to negatieve and bad thoughts that I didnt even consiously think of but they kept coming. I thought smtng was wrong with me becuz becuz no one around got this from weed like I did. ( allthlught eventually a lot did after some years) . After watching a video of someone explaining what weed does to the brain and that some people reavt different and u Just sinply cannot let go of a bad tbought becauze your brain is making conmections i calmed down. Its fine to underdtsnd things. Plus i lowered the dosis heavily
But I always feel like all those years of negatieve thinking, and ultimately a lot of self hate has brought me down mentally and "spiritually". All though I dont have those obsessive thoughts anymore and I have slowly build up and imlroved some facets of life it feels like I am a " weaker" human then befofe and that its taking more time to get my shit together than it normally would.
But Im staying positive and like to think that if i pile up little victories and get back to my "normal" functioms that I will become stronger and wiser then ever before. Hopefully 🤣🤣. Okee ciaaao
Well you gotta work for that. I can relate to you story a lot. You have to identify these patterns of thinking that make you feel that way so you can work on them. You feel like a weaker human cause u think you are. Plain and simple. Quit thinking theres something wrong, maybe quit a few bad habits like porn, start working out if your not already and get yourself back up there.
@@schokokeks1720 thank you
Interesting.
serotonin in most vertebrates causes the opposite of aggression. It causes a feeling of understanding, happiness, and heightened memory and awareness. In invertebrates, it typically causes aggression
Larry The Lobster been winning his whole life
Appeal to nature, we have so little similarities with lobsters, hasn’t proven hierarchies through human neuroscience. Why is this guy popular?
petersons pyramid /\ shape for hierarchies is quickly debunked by his belief in the IQ bell curve.
the bell curve shape would have a point at the top, a point at the bottom and a bulge in the middle, nothing like a /\ shape.
There’s always a bigger lobster
💚
Bailey family ministry (our travelling singing group) uses examples like this one all the time on stage!
Its great to hear something so similar come from someone so far away!
Praise God!
shut up nobody cares
SpongeBob: Don't talk about my friend like that! 🦞
Hail Lobster 🦞
He is just brilliant
What colour lobster are you?
CBT?
Now here's the real question: Which species of lobster is Peterson talking about?
That’s a really important question I’m sad no one has answered
@@TheLegend-oy2sg Honestly, I think he's probably talking about either the Maine lobster or the European common lobster.
“Lawbsters” lol
3:15. Damn.
Soooo trueee
This video changed my life, gob bless jordan peterson
doesnt driving grow the hippocampus as well? LOL
Aight imma go to red lobster 🦞 now. 🙋🏻♂️imma going to head out. 🏃♂️
What about the lobsters in the Lucky Larry slot machines?
So that's why for some of us , antidepressants make us want to fight, makes us aggressive, not less depressed really, just amped up. Prozac isn't for everybody.
Hail lobster!
A guy goes to a $5 lady of the night, gets Crabs, then goes back the next day to complain. She says: "It was only $5 what did you expect lobster?"
Hail lobster.
I am skeptical about the evolutionary timescale. But everything else is mind blowing. Lots to think about and consider. Thank you, Dr. Peterson for all the good you are doing is this hell world we live.
There's a LOT of things about crustaceans that are mind-blowing, especially when comparing their behavior to human behavior.
@Wise Acres What are you talking about?
Everything he said is BS. If you don’t believe in evolution, neither should you believe the horseshit lobster theory Peterson is espousing.
serotonin in most vertebrates causes the opposite of aggression. It causes a feeling of understanding, happiness, and heightened memory and awareness. In invertebrates, it typically causes aggression
Hail Lobster!
#haillobster
just weird to use the lobster as an analogy but also vaguely insist that it's science.
Maybe he has the hots for Larry the Lobster. I mean he does look good enough to eat.
He does state that this is not his theory. A simple Google search will show the science behind these statements. Apparently someone has done all the scientific research to prove it is actually a fact.🤷
who controls the lobsters controls the galaxy!
Then with that said the phenomenon of Sasquatch is more real than we are haha its been around longer...supposedly
Jordan Peterson all day everyday
no friends or hobbies then :(That sucks, man
When will he get the therapy he needs.
Better without music
Ok Mr. Peterson. Any thoughts on clown fish?
I was a dominant king of a person in my early life up to 2014 when i had my first major breakdown due to my mom's toxic words and when i let them enter me and they literally changed my whole physicality and being. She really really hurt me and cuz i used to love her and value her and her opinion and view of me and she always used to down me i was devastated by her and her sickness. She's a really bad person. If there's one thing I've learned its that the mind is one hell of an amazing thing and mental health is very very real. It could be the greatest ally or the toughest foe! Be Careful and stay safe y'all
I'm A Warr;or I am a fairly vicious person as well so I sympathize with your mom! But don't worry, you will probably grow older and inevitable chronic pains and relationship failures will turn you into a copy of her.
Nihilism on my prayer rug right now i ask Allah Almighty to give you so much pain in everything you have in life that you cry for it to go away and it neither goes away nor you die easily. Ameen
@@imawarrior313 This will happen to everyone when they are old enough, soo... what's your point.
No matter who compromises your existence remember you are all alone at the end. It's you're life live it.
Jim Farrell thank you very much for that man .. im much better now and much stronger now Alhumdulilah and im starting a new life in sha Allah and i wish u all the best in urs too! God bless u ❤️
And WE choose the biggest lobster
Lobsir 🕶
He was not on his game the other day here in Salt Lake City, like he is, well, everywhere else I can see on the internet at least. Seemed scattered and out of breath. Felt bad for him.
I’m not a smart noodle but the first tree big tree 400 million years ago and lobsters showed up around 360 million years ago (not exact years of course)
Not true trees as we know them today. The trees of that age were large lycopsids (club moss essentially) or something like calamites (a large horsetail) neither of which are trees with the vascularization we see today.
Edit: misspelled "horsetail"
@@aeropostale101nw they were still trees so it doesn’t really matter if they resemble any specific tree
They were not "trees" as they are described by botanists today.
3:22 Hippocampus and amygdala -permanent change in size for the latter.
SO YOU'RE SAYING
Damn, I heard of people reaching to make a point. But, to reach 350 to 600 million years into the past to do so is truly a spectacular feat.
How this isn't a discussion on the influence of serotonin, and it was somehow manipulated into an argument about hierarchy is truly a superpower.
So you're saying lobsters need antidepressants?
fascinsting
Someone has a fursona
Now that we know that lobsters are our brethren, would it be cannibalism to eat a seafood cocktail??
✨lobster sad after fight, therefore hierarchy good✨
hierarchies are inevitable
@@sugondee920 that doesn't mean they're good, though. murder is inevitable yet you don't see me fangirling over it
@@may126_ the world isnt good
@@sugondee920 no shit sherlock, the point is making it better
@@may126_ making it equal wont make it good
This is hilarious. In anyone's experience, do the biggest toughest guys, the ones who enter into dominance battles and win physically (ie beat the other guy up) typically do the best in society? I'm thinking of all the old rich dudes I know and how they never got into a fight in their lives, versus the guys down at the dockside bar.
I know, someone will say dominance hierarchies are different now, that money and power go with brains and wits ... but does that support or defeat this guy's argument? Do "dominance hierarchies" mean anything outside the schoolyard and sports? Is "dominance" just whatever he wants to define it as, so long as it is the status quo (men staying in power, his central thesis)?
This guy just says things. He is not defending his arguments.
Lobsters! I also love his take on how psychedelic drugs connect us to God.
Lobster Army Incoming 🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀
i hate to say this but....
H A I L L O B S T E R
Naturalistic fallacy: The video
But we are social animals, the better the individual does the better their families and communities do and the grater society. We are not lobsters.
Aren’t lobsters immortal in the sense they can’t die of age. The oldest lobsters are normally bigger and stronger then the younger ones because they shed their shell
Funny story, my family ran a restaurant called "The Lobster Trap" in Toronto. It was very popular for many decades. Sadly, we murdered many lobsters.. If I knew they were so interesting I would've given up the family business long ago...
Either that or Jordan Peterson has a lobster fetish. The epitome of creation sure does taste good when its dipped in butter. And served with a side of cheddar biscuits.