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  • The Heroes of the First Age series continues with a look at Fingon the Valiant. I discuss his history and why he came to Middle-earth before I focus on his heroic rescue of Maedhros from Thangorodrim. What made this rescue special and why did Fingon risk his own life for another? From there, I discuss his fall and why he more than earned his title of "Valiant".
    ► Chapters:
    0:00 - Intro
    1:28 - Fingon: A Background
    3:16 - The Flight of the Noldor
    8:33 - The Capture of Maedhros (Narrated)
    10:48 - Fingon the Renowned
    12:37 - The Wars of Beleriand
    15:37 - Morgoth's Victory
    16:42 - Fingon the Valiant
    18:54 - Outro (Heroes of the Second Age?)
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Komentáře • 139

  • @alicecourtney5816
    @alicecourtney5816 Před rokem +53

    I often think Fingon is overlooked and never really gets the attention he deserves (when compared to the likes of Feanor, Fingolfin or Finrod). But he wasn’t called Fingon the Valliant for nothing! This was a great analysis of his character.

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +11

      Agreed Alice, he seems to get lost in the chaos of the House of Finwe. I love this story with Maedhros and the tragic end of Fingon too.
      Thanks!

  • @xaviermontesdeoca2440
    @xaviermontesdeoca2440 Před rokem +24

    The moment when Fingon puts his helmet on and orders his host to charge, for me, is one of the most saddest moments of all the silmarillion

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +14

      I also wanted to get Phil to read "and he shouted aloud: 'Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!' And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered crying: 'Auta i lómë! The night is passing!'" but it couldn't be worked into the rescue of maedhros section. I should have just had him record it as an extra piece so I could work it into the video :D

  • @paulusillyriusiudathaddaio2530

    Your channel is probably my greatest discovery on youtube in a long time. The fact that you are not only a lore-master, but also take a deep inside into authors internal thought process about the matter is something I truely admire. It is in my opinion a fresh, bright and in a good meaning provoking way of talking about Legendarium we love.

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +2

      Thank you very much :D I'm happy you have found the channel. I try to have my channel stand out in some way, since there are many Tolkien channels, so it's nice to hear that feedback.

  • @LordTelperion
    @LordTelperion Před rokem +8

    'Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!' And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered crying: 'Auta i lómë! The night is passing!'

  • @MadCityBells
    @MadCityBells Před rokem +14

    You mention that Fingon’s rescue of Maedhros was not attempted by his own brothers; they had not the courage - an excellent point I hadn’t even thought of. Superb video!

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +8

      I'd probably look into this more and come to some conclusion about them caring about obtaining the Silmarils more than attempting to rescue him, which would be terrible. Attempting to rescue him could mean they all lose the opportunity to return the Silmarils - so...let's not try it. Another aspect of the Oath that shows how terrible it was.

  • @joseraulcapablanca8564
    @joseraulcapablanca8564 Před rokem +14

    In an age of larger than life heroes,with larger than life flaws, Fingon stands out as more valiant even his flaws are less, his participation in the kin slaying even manages to be less heinous. Thanks Steve and keep up the good work.

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +6

      I think Tolkien did a good job of having Fingon not be perfect, still taking part in the kinslaying, but through a desire to help his own kin and not realising why they fought. It's a rash action but with a good motive. It feels more natural than the changes that were made to the figure of Galadriel - whom Tolkien seemed to struggle to explain how she took part but didn't then was there but didn't, etc. Feels like excuses to include a saint-like figure in an atrocity. Fingon would have later realised his mistake and mourned what had happened - growing from it.

    • @joseraulcapablanca8564
      @joseraulcapablanca8564 Před rokem +2

      @@TheRedBook Human imperfection was something the professor was very interested in. He explores the theme beautifully with Fingon.

  • @fifi-trixibell1818
    @fifi-trixibell1818 Před rokem +15

    I always loved the parallel between Fingon and Maedhros and Sam and Frodo. It was the song of Valinor ❤️

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +4

      Definitely a parallel. Wish Tolkien had mentioned it in the story. He does mention Beren and the approach to Angband - with Sam realising that place would have been even worse than Mordor. A morsel of comfort in approaching a horrible place like Mordor. Hope at least!

  • @TarMody
    @TarMody Před rokem +8

    Civil war among the Noldor would have been possible had it not been for Fingon's attempt to save Maedhros. Even this attempt alone has a quality that frustrates Melkor's efforts to schism among the Noldor and further reinforces these relations to the detriment of Melkor.

  • @tunguskalumberjack9987
    @tunguskalumberjack9987 Před rokem +3

    Without a doubt, this is the best channel for covering the Legendarium that I’ve found, by a very large margin. I’m in awe. The presentation of the subject matter is incredible, from the choices of artwork, the music, the narration in such a pleasant and measured voice, the inserts of text information on the screen that don’t detract from or interrupt the flow of the story- to most importantly, the knowledge of and respect for the author and his work, which is evident from beginning to end. Thank you for the excellent work you’re doing here- I just discovered your channel, and within the first two minutes of watching, I subscribed. I can’t wait to search through your videos for my favorite tales (Túrin Turambar is my longtime favorite), and to watch the deep dive lore and explanation videos about subjects that I’m not as familiar with. This channel is a dragon’s hoard of video gems.

  • @neant2046
    @neant2046 Před rokem +11

    If I wanted a video adaptation of the Silmarillion, I'd want it to be done by The Red Book - no kidding. You give new life to Tolkien's writings!

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +1

      Kind to say but I think my ambition doesn't quite match my video making skills 😅 but I'm still learning!

    • @neant2046
      @neant2046 Před rokem +2

      ​@@TheRedBook You're learning really fast, it's impressive to watch your skill grow!

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +3

      There are some things I wish I could do but I'm pretty happy with it at the moment.

    • @neant2046
      @neant2046 Před rokem +3

      @@TheRedBook There will always be things you wish you could do, but you can't at the moment, but the challenge is a great thing as long as you enjoy the process :) At least that's what I keep saying to myself, heh...))

  • @rafaelgustavo7786
    @rafaelgustavo7786 Před rokem +9

    Interesting that Fingon must have been the first (along with Oromë and his Maiar) to use the Horse-archers tactic. He did this very well against Glaurung.

  • @Sari36YT
    @Sari36YT Před rokem +7

    Great video. I listened to this twice on the way to work this morning and teared up both times during the narrated section. For Fingon!

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +3

      Twice? :O honoured! And yes, Phil's work is incredible. I couldn't approach that section in any similar way at all!

  • @Enerdhil
    @Enerdhil Před rokem +5

    I think Fingon's stay in Mandos was short. Maybe in his return he could find love.

  • @TheSaneHatter
    @TheSaneHatter Před rokem +3

    My take on why Fingon isn't more remembered, is that despite his virtues, he isn't all that *interesting* as a personality. A hero, to be sure, but not a genius or a visionary, he is indeed faultlessly brave and well-meaning (although not perfect, as the Kinslaying shows), but he isn't particularly complex. More than anything else, he is a good soldier, and that doesn't always make for a compelling biography or an interesting character study.

  • @Vvaleraen2
    @Vvaleraen2 Před rokem +1

    Finno is so underrated, he’s almost never even mentioned when searching online about Silmarillion related characters.

  • @stephenward4418
    @stephenward4418 Před rokem +4

    I have all the J.R.R. Tolkien audiobooks from Audible, but that Phil Dragash audio is something special.

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +2

      I hope my cheesy effects don't ruin it :D his narration is good enough on its own but I like adding something for these videos!

  • @haleyschreiter9746
    @haleyschreiter9746 Před rokem +1

    Thank you for shining a well-deserved spotlight on my favorite Tolkien character! That quote from the beginning of the video so perfectly sums up the heroism and the tragedy of his story. Made me tear up a little...

  • @docopoper
    @docopoper Před rokem +4

    I really need to listen to this audio book.

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +3

      An expensive commission to record all of it but there will at least be more recordings like this throughout this series.

  • @conorhale1269
    @conorhale1269 Před rokem +1

    Your videos are well beyond exceptional, and a gem I am happy to have discovered. Tolkien would be proud.

  • @LordTelperion
    @LordTelperion Před rokem +3

    Suggestion for a topic and/or question about: Barad Eithel, the capital city of the Noldor nation of Hithlum in the First Age and seat of the High Kings. It so much resembles Minas Tirith of Gondor it must have been inspiration for it... a fortified capital city on the eastern side of the mountains directly facing the HQ of the Enemy. It must have been of supreme importance as the primary Elven military installation and seat of Hithlum's administration (and the greater Noldor-sphere), but it gets very little love or attention when compared to the other Elven cities. Even its fall in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad is passed over. I suppose the implication is there were no survivors, or the reasoning being something like, "all of Hithlum fell, so of course Barad Eithel fell too." ;-)

    • @LordTelperion
      @LordTelperion Před rokem

      PS, I realize that there certainly were unnamed cities within Hithlum, and specially around Lake Mithrim, that might have been the chief dwellings of the populace and possibly the administration, which brings up another question: was Barad Eithel the capital of Hithlum or just the main base of the army?

  • @sainiharika
    @sainiharika Před rokem

    U r the best podcast n high intuitive intel close to source compared to others on CZcams.

  • @alexlong8956
    @alexlong8956 Před rokem +3

    I watch several lotr channels but yours is my favorite. The topic of your videos is always very unique and interesting. Thank you for creating such great content.

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem

      Thanks, Alex :) appreciate such great support!

  • @Gyrosmeister
    @Gyrosmeister Před 4 měsíci

    A video for Maglor or Maedhros would also be great.

  • @TheRedBook
    @TheRedBook  Před rokem +19

    Hello! Thanks to those who watched this latest Heroes of the First Age video. Let me know which deed you'd like to see be the focus of the next entry. I honestly haven't decided which..
    Eärendil's? Beren & Lúthien and the Quest for the Silmaril? Turin's slaying of Glaurung? Finrod's Song of Power and Imprisonment with Beren? Hurin's Last Stand? Another choice?
    Support The Red Book - patreon.com/theredbook

    • @mirandarensberger6919
      @mirandarensberger6919 Před rokem +4

      I assume you'll cover all of these eventually, so I'm not too fussy about what order you do it in. I do hope that when you get to Beren and Luthien, you'll include the heroic deeds of Huan.

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +4

      Yeah, I want to make sure I don't leave anything out from the First Age before moving on. It's really a matter of which one I do first!

    • @alanmike6883
      @alanmike6883 Před rokem +2

      Many food choices man.
      All gotta be covered anyway.
      Go with your gut 👍😊

    • @docopoper
      @docopoper Před rokem +4

      Lúthien is my favourite character in all of Tolkien. But I'm actually really keen to hear your take on Eärendil. I feel like you'd have a lot to add to that story and the discussion around it. Especially since it's such a short chapter but has so much significance.

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +5

      @@docopoper Unless people really wanted it sooner, I'd probably do the Beren & Luthien part last in this First Age series since I recently made a Beren & Luthien video for Tolkien Reading Day.
      As for Earendil, yes I am looking forward to making that one - highlighting the significance of his journey and what it meant for the future of Middle-earth :)

  • @longpinkytoes
    @longpinkytoes Před rokem +2

    Enerdhil sent me from indeepgeek comments section. well worth the binge :D

  • @cameronjones8641
    @cameronjones8641 Před rokem

    Another absolutely superb video. This channel is without doubt the best Tolkien channel of them all. Great delivery and brilliant analysis. Also no detectable shilling for Amazon which has ruined other channels.

  • @erikavalentina4940
    @erikavalentina4940 Před rokem

    Thank you for making this beautiful video about my favorite character Fingon.

  • @TenesseeTuxedo1
    @TenesseeTuxedo1 Před rokem +2

    This was excellent. Beautifully done. Very enjoyable.

  • @lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615

    Keep up the great work Mellon. You always show the best qualities of characters. One of the best analyzers of Tolkien characters. ECTHELION!!!

  • @gronis9
    @gronis9 Před rokem +1

    Thank you. Great work as usual.

  • @virtualcircle285
    @virtualcircle285 Před rokem +5

    The rescue sounds similar to Frodo's Journey through Mordor. Taking advantage of the shadows the dark lord had created.

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +1

      Yes :D . Another comment also noted that reference too. Just like Sam mentioning Beren and the approach to Angband - the old tales can in some ways inspire hope in the later ages of Middle-earth.

  • @rotvessel
    @rotvessel Před rokem

    im late but this was bloody amazing, such good work really, hats off !!

  • @martins2462
    @martins2462 Před rokem +2

    Good video, The Red Book!
    I appreciate your videos overall. Their general mood, so to speak.

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem

      Thanks, Martin. I always appreciate the support!

  • @hazbojangles2681
    @hazbojangles2681 Před rokem +2

    Truly magnificent narrations from Phil!

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +1

      Agreed! When I get recordings from him he tends to send 3 with very different styles. I can then pick out the best combinations or just one full reading when i am editing. Great to work with him.

  • @thebrotherskrynn
    @thebrotherskrynn Před rokem +6

    Tbh, I don't think of Fingon as the real successor of Fingolfin as High-King, he was essentially a figurehead for Maedhros or at least the junior partner.
    That said, there's no shame to this, Fingon knew this and cooperated with Maedhros dividing the heavy duties of High-Kingship with him and operating very capably in uniting the Alliance that they brought together at the Arnoediad, and that this military and political apprenticeship of sorts would have left Fingon in an incredibly strong position were Maedhros to fall. In turn though, Fingon was the only one of the sons of Fingolfin who could measure up enough to be worthy of any kingship (harsh I know), and that the partnership between Fingon & Maedhros was to the benefit of all. Always imagined that Fingon's death crushed Maedhros and that it was as great a loss and shock to him as the loss in the Dagor Arnoediad.
    Only Fingon & Maedhros could keep the Noldor even remotely united even if only formally so, too bad they were undermined by Maedhros's brothers and the Easterlings.

    • @victordonavon292
      @victordonavon292 Před rokem +1

      I recall that Maedhros very publicly ceded his house's right to the kingship to the house of Fingolfin. That effectively nullifies any sort of regal authority any of the house of Feanor could wield. This is reinforced my Maedhros actions of moving his brothers and their followers away from the bulk of the rest of the nolder east to hold the east flank and reduce the risk of strife over regal title and authority.

  • @nfragala
    @nfragala Před rokem +1

    Excellent video, bud!

  • @jamesmaertens9089
    @jamesmaertens9089 Před rokem

    Beautiful telling! Thanks

  • @fionnw
    @fionnw Před rokem +1

    Excellent, as always

  • @user-sd7ri9fy4i
    @user-sd7ri9fy4i Před 7 měsíci

    Nice work dude thanks

  • @alanmike6883
    @alanmike6883 Před rokem +2

    I think it proves the house of fingolfin was essential to the fate of middle earth

  • @ironblue4593
    @ironblue4593 Před rokem

    Really good video, very interesting to watch

  • @GreatGreebo
    @GreatGreebo Před rokem +1

    Excellent video ..thank you!

  • @MrsGriz
    @MrsGriz Před rokem +1

    Thank you for this beautiful channel

  • @hazbojangles2681
    @hazbojangles2681 Před rokem +1

    My Lotro name is now Hasros Findekáno. I named it a few days ago after the Great Fingon. My favourite of the children of Fingolfin.

  • @Crafty_Spirit
    @Crafty_Spirit Před rokem +1

    Wow, that was a cinematic experience :-)

  • @rickstorm4198
    @rickstorm4198 Před rokem +1

    Love your work brother

  • @Davlavi
    @Davlavi Před rokem +3

    Wonderful and for the algorithm

  • @His_Name_Was_King
    @His_Name_Was_King Před rokem +4

    The 400 year siege of Angband would make a great cartoon series. Untainted by todays social standards of course.

  • @fnamelname9077
    @fnamelname9077 Před rokem +1

    This is art. This is sub-creation for the love of creation!

  • @thorshammer7883
    @thorshammer7883 Před rokem +1

    In many ways the heroes of the Arda and the folks of the Bible are different yet very similar in many ways even if the nature of their situations in slightly different and have different roles. They are yet equally admirable in their own ways. I respect and admire that.

  • @victors.3633
    @victors.3633 Před rokem +1

    Is there more narration from Phil Dragash! Loved it! 👏

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem

      These Heroes videos all have his narration - there are 3 so far but I have a 4th one planned for (hopefully) October.

  • @hazbojangles2681
    @hazbojangles2681 Před rokem

    What editing software do you use because it is very smooth?

  • @jesusaguilarjr6655
    @jesusaguilarjr6655 Před rokem +5

    I tend to like finarfin and his son finrod. They tend to suffer least at what I like to call the arrogance and prideof the house of finwe.

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +2

      "Fairest and wisest" of Finwe's house. I think staying in Tirion really showed that wisdom when it came to the Flight of the Noldor!

    • @aesir1ases64
      @aesir1ases64 Před rokem

      @@TheRedBook Its the Vanyar bloodline from the mother lol

  • @alanmike6883
    @alanmike6883 Před rokem +3

    I will try to catch these premier.
    It's just so hot 😂🔥

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +5

      Tell me about it. I'm not built at all for this weather - my skin is usually a pale shade of blue AND I have red hair...15 degrees C is tropical for me.

  • @MrKurtank
    @MrKurtank Před 9 měsíci +1

    "Fingon, the Valiant"

  • @shanenolan8252
    @shanenolan8252 Před rokem +1

    Cheers

  • @jimbombadill
    @jimbombadill Před rokem +7

    the death of Fingon is realy one of the most horrible descriptions Tolkien provide us with...they litterly beat him to pieces like a splatter movie :(

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +8

      Very brutal. Especially the aftermath - which reminds me of what Morgoth was going to attempt with Fingolfin but the body was rescued. No such help for poor Fingon who would have been left in a bloody heap. Still, the white flame shot up - hope that it was his spirit that escaped what would be done to his body afterwards.

  • @Sym0S
    @Sym0S Před rokem +1

    hype

  • @psazani
    @psazani Před rokem +1

    Mandos! Ironically the judger of souls, made the biggest mistake of all time: letting Melkor go

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +4

      I think that is tied to the idea of redemption. They said they would hold him for "three ages" and they honoured that. To keep him longer would be to act like him and Tolkien explains that this is what sets the likes of Manwe and the rest of the Valar apart from Melkor. Not meeting his lies with their own lies.
      edit - spelling error!

    • @psazani
      @psazani Před rokem +2

      @@TheRedBook once again you make great points!

    • @sophiejones3554
      @sophiejones3554 Před rokem +2

      Actually, that was not his mistake. While Námo Mandos agreed with the idea of Melkor being paroled after 3 Ages, he wanted the terms of that parole to be stricter. But those terms were decided by a council of the eight most powerful Valar, and five of them voted to give Melkor full freedom of movement. The four against were Námo, Ulmo, Tulkas and Aulë. Additionally, ultimate responsibility for the Darkening rests with Manwë: because he failed to see that Melkor was manipulating the Noldor. He did not want to believe that his brother was refusing the chance for redemption: which is understandable, if aggravating. I mean, really, the entire Silmarillion can more or less be summed up as "Nobody listens to Námo, and everyone suffers the consequences": since he also tried to tell the Noldor that going to Middle Earth on their own was not going to end well, and all of them except Finarfin blew him off.

  • @skatemetrix
    @skatemetrix Před rokem

    Fingon has bad things happen to him every time he rushes into a fight.
    First he arrives in the middle of the kinslaying in Alqualonde and without asking questions rushes in and helps Feanor and his men. If he hadn't done that then Feanor could have failed and would never have been able to steal the Teleri swanships.
    Then, four a bit centuries later, in the run-up to the Battle of Unnumbered Tears, Fingon is leading the western half of an army of Elves and Men waiting to strike Angband. Some of Morgoth's Orcs display a captured Elf, Gelmir of Nargothrond, to provoke the Elves into prematurely attacking- and they sure do! And Fingon, realising he has lost control, decides to Leeroy Jenkins and charges with his army towards the gates of Angband.
    And we all know what happened there!
    You could say haste was Fingon's Achilles Heel.

  • @Mentallect
    @Mentallect Před rokem

    How big is Ancalagon the Black if he was listed in feet?

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +1

      I made a video about Ancalagon's size before - czcams.com/video/alGw979AYh0/video.html

  • @fritzvoncranach6268
    @fritzvoncranach6268 Před rokem

    Well-made video, but either my headphones aren‘t on top of their game or the background sound / music is too loud to understand you well sometimes.

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +1

      Sorry to hear that. Might be your side as this is the first comment saying the music might be too loud. I think if I made it any quieter then it wouldn't be audible. I tend to test my audio through my speakers then headphones and it's not always perfect but it shouldn't be that bad.

    • @fritzvoncranach6268
      @fritzvoncranach6268 Před rokem +1

      @@TheRedBook No prob, thanks a lot for the response. Guess it‘s time I got some new mobile headphones. Cheers

  • @Mentallect
    @Mentallect Před rokem

    Would you rather see Fingon, Feanor, Durin the Deathless, Fingolfin, or King Thingol the most?

  • @planepantsgames1791
    @planepantsgames1791 Před rokem

    The sun and moon lit up Valinor and Middle Earth after the two trees died. After the sinking of numenor and the changing of the world, where was Valinor in relation to the sun and moon?

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem

      "Tilion had traversed the heaven seven times, and thus was in the furthest east, when the vessel of Arien was made ready. Then Anar arose in glory, and the first dawn of the Sun was like a great fire upon the towers of the Pelóri"
      The first sun rise was in the west but instead of moving from west to east and back (always being in the sky), the sun would actually descend into the distant western seas and then ascend in the east.
      The moon rose in the east to signal the First Age. The moon rose first but also passed beneath the world to rise in the east each night - tradition says Tilion was not as steady as Arien so sometimes the sun and moon appear in the sky at the same time.

    • @planepantsgames1791
      @planepantsgames1791 Před rokem

      @@TheRedBook Thank you! If I am understanding, then when Frodo went to Valinor, the sun and the moon would move in the sky the same way they do in Middle Earth? And the stars? I imagine Frodo would look up at the sky a lot.

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +1

      @@planepantsgames1791 - I think the easiest way to think of the Blessed Realm is that it is just no long accessible 'naturally' but it's still present. They'd still see the light of the sun, stars, etc. But you just can't sail to it normally anymore. You need the authority to pass int oit.

  • @darthexitius8372
    @darthexitius8372 Před rokem

    (Leaves out his slaughter to acquire them boats to go West)😭💀

  • @doomhippie6673
    @doomhippie6673 Před rokem

    Now I may be not up to date but weren't Finwe's descendants from his marriage to Indis supposed to be all blond? So any blond Noldo could be traced back to this line as the Noldor were dark-haired. Or has that lore from the Silmarillion been thrown out?

    • @sophiejones3554
      @sophiejones3554 Před rokem +2

      nope. The Silmarillion lore is that Findis and Finarfin were blond, while Fingolfin and Lalwen were dark-haired. It also says that the Noldor are usually dark-haired. What the Silmarillion does not say, and indeed I don't think any version of the text says, is that the marriage of Finwë to Indis was the *only* Noldo-Vanya union. Though the only other such union mentioned in the Silmarillion explicitly is that of Turgon and Elenwë, producing blonde Princess Idril and blonde Eärendil. So it would certainly be possible to have blond Noldor who were no relation to Finwë. That being said, the list of named blond Noldor is short and most of them are accounted for in the Silmarillion narrative: Finarfin, Finrod, Angrod, Aegnor, Orodreth, Galadriel, Finduilas, Idril, Glórfindel and Gildor. Of those, the only one whose parentage is entirely unknown is Glórfindel: LotR just says cryptically that he was "of a house of princes". Gildor's parentage is not entirely clear, but he is considered part of Finrod's house (and it is not made clear if he is royal or not). Gilgalad is sometimes added to the list of blonde Noldor, if he is envisioned as the son of Orodreth rather than of Fingon (as in the Silmarillion).
      All that being said though, there are also two schools of thought among fanartists about how to depict the hair color that Tolkien described with the word "silver". Some people draw it as platinum blond, while others draw it as grey. So if you see a blonde Celegorm, that's why. His hair is described as "silver" in the Silmarillion, like his grandmother Miriel's. At least in the eyes of the Noldor however, this is a separate color from what those with Vanyarin ancestry have. Either that can be chalked up to a cultural difference in color perception, or to elven genetics being slightly different. The text really doesn't say which it is, and Tolkien never drew one of the silver-haired elves.

  • @annamnatsakanyan4040
    @annamnatsakanyan4040 Před rokem

    One of your best yet? 😉

  • @jeffleake1960
    @jeffleake1960 Před rokem

    damn i,d rather see a movie based on some part of the 1st age ,even CGI over the amazon 2nd age show

  • @Mentallect
    @Mentallect Před rokem +3

    The Tolkien heirs do a great disservices to the legacy of JR Tolkien by not licensing his work to movie companies since current generations would enjoy a big screen version of the Silmarillion.

    • @Irish_Pete
      @Irish_Pete Před rokem +5

      Bollox Amazon are about to make a mockery of it

    • @MistaGify
      @MistaGify Před rokem +4

      I have to disagree with you completely. Look at the state of Hollywood today! Superheroes films, sequels, remakes, poorly-included diversity! We got very lucky with Peter Jackson and his original LOTR trilogy. The Hobbit films were chiefly the result of Warner Brothers' incessant meddling, Jackson even said the 4th and final movie (Battle Of 5 Armies) was not his movie!
      Amazon's Rings Of Power hasn't been very promising. It will have to pull off a miracle to get both fans and the Tolkien estate onboard for more cinematic adaptations.

    • @sophiejones3554
      @sophiejones3554 Před rokem

      Not The Silmarillion. Not even just the six middle chapters that are the "Quenta Silmarillion" proper. There isn't really an overarching narrative, a LOT of stuff happens, there's enough characters to fill an MMORPG, and the story covers an absurd length of time. Additionally, the Silmarillion is more or less just a list of events that happened: only very rarely does it offer any insight into *why* characters took the actions they took. For example, it tells us that Fingolfin and Maedhros wanted to attack Angband before the Dagor Bragollach: but none of the other lords of Beleriand wanted to. Infuriatingly however, it does not tell us *why*. Their motivations have to be inferred from other details that we know about these characters: for example that Finrod doesn't like violence, Curufin is over-cautious, etc.
      All that being said though, some of the most important parts of the Silmarillion are expanded upon elsewhere: the Lay of Leithian, the Children of Húrin and the Fall of Gondolin. These stories have self-contained narratives, a more manageable number of plot points, a far more manageable number of characters, and cover much more reasonable amounts of time. The Lay of Leithian takes place over the course of two years, the Children of Húrin covers twenty, and the Fall of Gondolin can't be more than a hundred. All three of those would make good movies, and I personally think that if no studio asks for the license to The Children of Húrin this year that will be a missed opportunity. I think the fact that House of the Dragon and The Witcher are doing well is a sign people are looking for grittier fantasy. The Children of Húrin fits into that much better than the Second Age material Amazon is failing at adapting.

  • @michaeljohnson7245
    @michaeljohnson7245 Před rokem

    Faenor was a really terrible leader

    • @TheRedBook
      @TheRedBook  Před rokem +1

      I certainly wouldn't put leadership as one of his qualities. He wasn't great at leading and didn't like to be led.

    • @michaeljohnson7245
      @michaeljohnson7245 Před rokem +1

      @@TheRedBook yes, I agree. He was head strong and didn't care who or what he sacrificed to get his way.