Durin | The Deathless King
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- Durin the Deathless is the first of the Seven Fathers of the Dwarves, the first of all Dwarves. This video will examine his history, why he is called the Deathless, the nature of his return to Middle-earth, and why the mythology surrounding the beliefs of the Dwarves is arguably more fascinating than whether their beliefs are 'true'.
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0:00 - Intro
1:28 - The Creation of the Dwarves
3:15 - The Awakening of Durin
5:00 - The Return of Durin
5:59 - Durin the Last (Durin VII)
7:02 - The War of the Dwarves & Orcs
10:19 - Spirits of the Seven Fathers
11:32 - The Influence of the Noldor
12:12 - The Three Kindreds
13:22 - The Special Privilege of Dwarves
15:34 - The Secretive Nature and Mythology of Dwarves
17:33 - Outro
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Tolkien was a master of telling us just enough to engage our imaginations.
Agreed. I like not having ALL the answers, and even when seeking them out its still good to realise there is no answer in the end.
Man, that’s such a great observation.
Yes and the way he describes everything, it is beautiful
I love how eru understood why aule did what he did.
Hence why he adopted the Dwarven race.
Which Is why I personally believe that there fate was to rebuild in the second music
It's unfair that I can only like this video once, when in fact it deserves at least a thousand for every aspect of your amazing work! I absolutely love how mysterious and impressive the history and beliefs of the dwarves sound in your interpretation. At last, the glorious ancestors of this proud race got the video they deserve! :)
They have lacked representation here so far so I was glad to get something interesting about them out there. I think a future video (archives) will be about how they changed from initial writings. They used to be evil creatures in the early writings, which I find really interesting.
@@TheRedBook Great topic! Their earlier version seems to have a stronger influence of the Norse mythology. It's cool how they gradually evolved into something quite opposite to that, something completely unique, while still retaining some negative traits of Norse dwarves. I'm really looking forward to this video!
I agree. Steven did a fabulous job of presenting everything in an almost historic and very mysterious way. We have a lot to ponder even after the video ended.🤔
I thought your idea that Aulë combined the natures of Elves and Men was really interesting. It makes a lot of sense.
I just want to say thank you.
Your videos exemplify the JRRT worldview: calm, reasoned, very thoroughly researched.
And, above all else, humble. You aren't trying to force the text to agree with you. You merely lay out the passage in question then present your analysis.
I think Tolkien would have loved to observe such good work.
Whether he would like your work or not, I really enjoy these videos.
Again, thank you.
Thanks very much :D !
The thought of the Noldor speaking to the Dwarves about Aulë has really piqued my imagination!
I never picked up on this point, myself: it certainly explains why the Noldor got on with them better, while the Sindar merely tolerated them, at most.
This was so refreshing. I appreciate how the artwork and music in your videos respect the majesty of Tolkien's myths.
Tough one this. There's surprisingly little Dwarf artwork out there that isn't Warhammer or Warcraft Dwarves with giant armour 😂
Where is that cool stylized double headed eagle emblem in your profile from?
@@MerkhVision It’s the Imperial eagle from Warhammer 40,000
Azanulbizar. . .
First time I have rewound a CZcams video multiple times to hear a pronunciation. Nicely done.
Dwarf place names are always magical to say 😅
@@TheRedBook
And sound infinitely better with a Scottish accent.😁👍
Best Tolkien related content on CZcams!
good, not the best
@@universalflamethrower6342 Few Tolkien channels come close to this one. Can't think of any who would be better.
I was hoping that the next "recommended" by CZcams would've been Of Beren & Luthien: The Last Farewell, because that would be a great follow-up to this one. Not only because of the theme of death & what happens after, but also since Beren was used as an example in this video.
It is still my Number 2 favorite, after Aragorn & the Faint-Hearted. I've watched that one 3 times and will probably watch it again soon.
Really appreciate seeing the artwork credits in the description. The works you chose are masterpieces
I always want to give them all credit and seek permission from them all too. I spend far too long picking out artwork for these videos it seems!
@@TheRedBook nah man, totally worth it. You’re making some of the best lore content, keep it up!
Excellent topic, I definitely need to get the Peoples of Middle Earth. Maglor's fate and the process of elven fading would be a great follow up. Thanks for your voice and excellent lore delivery.
From no videos about Dwarves to two in no time at all. Hope everyone enjoyed this one. As always, leave your thoughts/questions and I will reply to those I can (on here or in an Appendices video).
I am also planning out a video to celebrate Hobbit Day and will welcome any Hobbit-related topics you think would be interesting to cover.
Thanks everyone
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Imagine the Dwarves in Moria in the second age; from no Durin to two at the same time :o
Its great to see you cover some topics concerning the dwarves! It was always quite enlightening to me when I myself first read the Silmarillion and found that the fathers of the Broadbeams and Firebeards awoke at Mt. Dolmed in the Blue Mountains, its the only other instance of us knowing the exact location where the other fathers awoke.
When it comes to the eastern clans, I think there’s a lot implied but never outright stated by Tolkien. For example we can reasonably assume that during the War of the Last Alliance *some* of them sided with Sauron, because Tolkien says that some dwarves fought on his side but he explicitly says Durin’s Folk did not. At the same time most of the Broadbeams and Firebeards had moved to Khazad-dûm by that time, and I think it would be unlikely that they would go against Durin and fight for Sauron.
One thing that is never explained by Tolkien concerns the two dwarven rings reclaimed by Sauron before he fell in Mordor. We know that 4 of the rings were consumed by dragons, I think we can reasonably deduce that these were with the eastern clans as we don’t have any mention of dragon attacks in the second age in the West. So that would leave Durin’s Ring whose fate we know, and the two others. If the eastern clans and Durin’s Ring are accounted for then that means the 2 remaining rings must have belonged to the heirs of the Broadbeams and Firebeards. But yet that itself presents another question, what happened to the royal lines of Nogrod and Belegost after the First Age? If they went with their peoples to Khazad-dûm then the rings would have been gifted to them there and somehow Sauron recaptured them before his Fall.
I know this has been a bit of a ramble but I only wrote it just to illustrate how many unknown things there are concerning the dwarves and how some questions can be answered through analyzing the text and timeline. Great video! Hope to see more of this from you soon!
Another informative video! 2 things strike me:
Firstly, the possibility that Dwarves derived their beliefs and lore not from Aule himself, but from Noldor who spoke firsthand with Aule, is mindblowing! If this is true, who knows what the Dwarves have interpreted differently or adapted over time?!
Secondly, what Dwarves believe happens to them after death, and the special fate of the line of Durin, is something in-between the fates of Elves and Men?! I never saw it that way before!
Are you going to analyze and review The Rings Of Power anytime soon? This show has accumulated a lot of ill-will from the fans months in advance, and from what I've heard I'm afraid the showrunners haven't done themselves any favours either. But rather than mindlessly join the bandwagon of hate, perhaps you can give a measured response soon?
I'm so sick off all these videos and channels on CZcams that dissect and talk about Tolkien's works as if they are religious texts... it's a phking story book, the best of which, The Hobbit, being a f'ing children's story. I can clearly see how The Koran and Bible lead to such huge religions if that's basically about all people had to read and talk about at the time.
And where's your take on the bastardisation of Tolkien's latest adventures aka The Rings of 'Prime'... what a sh1tshow that's turned out to be. That one scene where he steals back that dagger, the old sleight of hand trope (with every eye in a packed court on them too HAH HA HA) pretty much sums up what garbage Tolkien has become, bang bang the mighty fall... still at least we have The Rings Of Power icecream to console us!!!
@@wildlings305 Why do you want my opinion then if you don't like channel's like this?
Fascinating video sir. It is quite something to thing how much depth Tolkien created in his world not simply by placing mythology within mythology, but by leaving gaps and open questions in those mythologies for us to wonder over. If you do not know for how deep the well goes, you can easily dream that it goes down forever.
I won't say it's the "right way" of course but I'm just glad I don't obsess over the gaps and don't do a David Day by filling them in. Speculation and imagination are welcomed and warranted, of course, but filling them in just to get rid of them makes it lose a bit of the magic in my opinion.
That i know of Aule to respect the wishes of his father,was ready to destroy his favorite creations with tears in his eyes.....it touches deep into you
Seems very obvious but it's very Abraham & Isaac isn't it? But it seems Eru would never have let him do it.
@@TheRedBook But I really wished that dwarves played a bigger role in the war against Sauron,besides Thorin's company and Gimli
It seems to all happen "off screen" so to speak. I will probably cover the role of Dwarves in the War of the Ring in a video at some point!
@@TheRedBook Please DO!
@@TheRedBook
I just thought of a question to ask you:
In The Silmarillion Chapter 2 Of Aulë and Yavanna, we have the account of the creation of the Dwarves. Then we read about Yavanna approaching Manwë with concern over what Aulë's children would do to her trees. Manwë is given a vision by Eru that recalls the Ainulindalë, when the Ents were first imagined.
My question is: did Eru allow Aulë to create the Dwarves after the Ents had already been created (in anticipation of the Dwarves coming) or were the Dwarves in the Ainulindalë?
It is just that Eru directly spoke to Aulë and never mentioned that his creation of the Dwarves was in the "Song," but he made sure that Manwë let Yavanna know that the Ents WERE a part of "the Song." Eru is omniscient, so he knows all, which means either case could be true. Please give us your take on this in the Appendix video.🙏
I have been binging your videos for the last several days. I have been a Tolkien fan since being held in detention for several days at 12 for fighting - the Dean had the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings on his book shelves. Your work is beautiful and much appreciated.
I really like this idea that Aulë would have created the dwarves with a a combination of the fates of both elves and men. I never thought of it like that, but it makes a lot of sense. In the vision the Ainur were given of their creation they would have seen a small number of eldest and long lived elves setting up the world for a seemingly constantly changing cast of men, with the elves then guiding the men. It's very easy to see how if Aulë thought they were the same race, he might have thought the eldest dwarves should be reincarnated, but younger dwarves should not. And with the incomplete vision he was given, maybe he only had the eldest dwarves reincarnate for as long of a period as he was shown in his vision.
It's interesting that the dwarves were secretive considering how they were created from Aulë being excited to share his craft. Maybe that could have come from him hiding his creation of the dwarves, or from his desire for them not to be corrupted.
Loved this one! So much depth and mystery in the Legendarium, and another vivid proof that not all questions need answers.
63rd! I keel I keel! But seriously, great video. I had never heard of the fate of dwarves being a combination of the fates of men and elves, very interesting. I do love how this mythology is so vast and so, generally, internally consistent that discussions like this will probably go on forever
Another beautiful video. Are there any good references that cover all the towers, their names, their locations, their histories? I have such a hard time keeping them straight.
I never usually like videos but I’ve liked every one I’ve watched of yours after subscribing. Please keep them coming.
I always forget to like videos 😅 I understand. Thanks a lot! And plenty more to come :)
The quality and care you put into every single project is unparalleled! ❤
Thank you :D I spend a great deal of time on each video and it's nice that people do notice sometimes haha.
After stumbling on this video and listening you speak of Durin the Deathless - I am very impressed and now subscribe to your channel. 🙂
Thanks, glad to have you on board :D
Awesome as usual!
Great job. This maybe my new favourite video.
Hey, you say that every video John. My videos must be getting better ;)
Great video. It's best that the mystery remains.
This channel is so helpful.. brilliant 👏
I can hardly _believe_ how good your content is. 🌟😪
Your content is stellar, absolutely great, thanks !
Thanks very much :D
This channel deserves way more views. Keep up the great videos.🙏. For the algorithm.
Thank you for an excellent video.
I had always interpreted the ‘Crown of Durin’ in Kheled-Zaram, the Mirrormere, in the following way. When Frodo, Sam and Gimili look into the lake, rather than seeing the daytime sky, they instead see the stars (perhaps a reflection of the skies of Middle Earth in the time of the trees, before the sun and the moon?). They also do not see their own faces, seemingly. Yet in Gimli’s poem, he speaks of Durin looking into the lake and seeing a crown of stars about his head.
Perhaps Durin is the only being who, when looking into the Mirrormere, actually sees his own reflection, surmounted by the stars (“Durin’s crown”), while all others merely see the starry sky, but do not see their own reflection?
Well done. Thankyou.
Nice work dude thanks
The mystery of the legendarium allows Tolkien's writing to seem as if we were writing real history. I like the mystery even if part of me wants to know exactly what happened and why
I enjoyed your video very much. Tolkiens imagination is a beautiful thing.
This looks brilliant
Thanks, Mark!
if i were to choose i'd go with the "sleeping until he wakes again" version of the Durin reincarnation story. firstly, because it's the most unique and interesting take, and is substantively different from the form of Elvish reincarnation, and secondly because as you state, it fits with Gimli's song in Moria. the idea of the Dwarves secretly guarding the body of their King in the deep places perhaps for centuries until he rises once more seems very apposite.
Agreed Bernard. It's something I can easily imagine them doing. Then some ceremony or rejoicing when he wakes up. All in secret because no one else knows of their traditions. I love the idea of it.
I learned a new anachronistic word
It's also cool because it gives a possible new depth of tragedy to the loss of Khazad-Dum. It's very possible since Durin was slain by the balrog, they weren't able to recover his body, and so weren't able to guard it while he slumbered
Hello! Firstly I would like to say that you and your channel have quickly become my favourite Tolkien related channel. I really love what you cover in your videos and your knowledge of Tolkiens created world.
I am curious about your views on Orcs. Older Orcs from the first age, would as you say be far greater then the Orcs of the third age because of Melkor’s influence in creating them and his actual presence. However do you think they had the independent thought of a later Orc like Azog for instance? Azog had a particular vendetta against the line of Durin and that is not something we read about of earlier Orcs. Do you think they were as independent in the first age? Or just puppets?
Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, but Tolkien is the first Dungeon Master... and the best World Builder yet seen. Granted, that is a stupendously simplified statement, but I stand by it.
Impressive video
It is said, that it is a rare and great honour to be named an Elf-friend. As a Man of the North, I would be humbled to be named a friend of the Dwarven folk. Truer, and more steadfast, friends I doubt you'd find amongst the peoples of Arda.
Durin's respwan game is on point😏
I like this Mystery-Point-of-View for the Dwarves. Them, us, Elves, Tolkien. We don't really know the truth. It is a great contrast to the Elves, for whom there are the fewest mysteries, and the Elves themselves know everything the reader knows. And the other contrast with the Men, about whom the reader knows more about than the race of Men know about themselves, to the extreme with evil men who believe lies about their nature and origin told to them by morgoth and his agents.
While I can accept the "spirit" of a Dwarven king coming back into a Dwarf, I have trouble with the idea of the actual Dead Dwarf suddenly coming back to life. Would he be aware of what had gone on while he slept? A lot of changes and occurrences could have passed from the last time he drew breath.
Think of the body of Evo Shandor in "Ghostbusters: Afterlife," preserved in a glass coffin as if sleeping . . . but not. Would that do as an image?
@@TheSaneHatter The mechanics of a Dwarven tomb holding the dead king is not the problem. It is that after a thousand years, the king suddenly awakens. Is he aware of the last thousand years since he was alive? So many things could have changed since he last ruled. There would be huge gaps of time between his reigns. Maybe it would not matter since he would rule for the moment.
I'll respond to this in my appendices video marcus :)
The world was young, the mountains green,
No stain yet on the Moon was seen,
No words were laid on stream or stone
When Durin woke and walked alone.
He named the nameless hills and dells;
He drank from yet untasted wells;
He stooped and looked in Mirrormere,
And saw a crown of stars appear,
As gems upon a silver thread,
Above the shadow of his head.
The world was fair, the mountains tall,
In Elder Days before the fall
Of mighty kings in Nargothrond
And Gondolin, who now beyond
The Western Seas have passed away:
The world was fair in Durin's Day.
A king he was on carven throne
In many-pillared halls of stone
With golden roof and silver floor,
And runes of power upon the door.
The light of sun and star and moon
In shining lamps of crystal hewn
Undimmed by cloud or shade of night
There shone for ever fair and bright.
There hammer on the anvil smote,
There chisel clove, and graver wrote;
There forged was blade, and bound was hilt;
The delver mined, the mason built.
There beryl, pearl, and opal pale,
And metal wrought like fishes' mail,
Buckler and corslet, axe and sword,
And shining spears were laid in hoard.
Unwearied then were Durin's folk;
Beneath the mountains music woke:
The harpers harped, the minstrels sang,
And at the gates the trumpets rang.
The world is grey, the mountains old,
The forge's fire is ashen-cold;
No harp is wrung, no hammer falls:
The darkness dwells in Durin's halls;
The shadow lies upon his tomb
In Moria, in Khazad-dûm.
But still the sunken stars appear
In dark and windless Mirrormere;
There lies his crown in water deep,
Till Durin wakes again from sleep.
The song of Durin, my favorite poem of Tolkien, even more than the lay of Beren and Luthien. The true might of Kazad-Dûm and the history of the dwarven race is something of which we don't know much of due to the fact that much of what we know about the history of Arda comes from the Eldar. I think that is why they are my favorite race, the adopted children of Ilúvatar, forever shrouded in mystery they are.
The crown of stars is so iconic. There must have been seven Durin reincarnations representing the seven tribes united by one king. No wife born with him means he both belongs to and is separate from the tribes total. I could see the dwarves having a different calendar year log than the elves and men: seven ages beginning with the (re)appearance of each Durin.
Probably a copyright violation.....
The tale of Aule creating dwarves and Eru giving permission for them to exist makes me wonder about the Ents and the Eagles. There is no account of Eru talking to Yavanna about creating the ents or Manwe about creating the eagles. Eru is the only one that can grant life, so how is it that the Ents and Eagles are allowed to be? Did Yavanna and Manwe ask Eru for permission first? Did Tolkien overlook this or not think it important? It’s a topic that I’ve always wanted to talk about and hear other’s thoughts on.
So to clarify, I’m addressing how Yavanna makes the ents, Eru says nothing. Manwe makes the eagles. Eru says nothing. As far as we know. Aule makes the Dwarves, Eru challenges Aule on that. It’s possible this is because the Ents and Eagles aren’t meant to be “children of Illuvitar” in any way (I.e. Manwe and Yavanna don’t create them out of impatience like Aule). But also, Eru in some way must be involved giving Ents and Eagles life cause only he can grant life. Melkor didn’t “create dragons.” They had to be something that already existed that he then corrupted.
I wonder if Tolkien doesn’t address Ents and eagles in the same way as dwarves because it isn’t necessary. Or because of some other reason I haven’t thought of yet.
Actually, the account in The Silmarillion that is in the chapter about Aulë and Yavanna states that Yavanna approached Manwë to express her concern about what the Dwarves would do to her trees. Manwë was deep in thought when Eru opened his eyes to a part of the Ainulindalë where the "Shepherd of the Trees" were created. I think that is fascinating because that means the Ents were created before the Dwarves in anticipation of their coming. There are advantages to being omniscient.😁
@@Enerdhil That’s for sure. I had forgot Eru’s involvement in that process, as you described it. Such a subtle detail I overlooked. I do remember Yavanna wanting the ents as a counter to dwarves. And that concept makes me wonder if the fading of the dwarves out of existence after the 7th Durin is linked to the fading of the ents. With the ents separated from the ent wives, and the ents turning “treeish”, it appears once the dwarves are gone, so too will the ents, leaving the race of men to fulfill their purpose in Eru’s plan.
The eagles though seem to not be a factor in this. They are fully tied to Manwe, and they serve mainly his and Eru’s purposes. The eagles mostly seem to be another of those Tolkien mysteries not fully revealed to the reader.
I think it is very sad and unfair that the dwarves died out. I wished they still remained in some number in the depts of the world until Dagorath
Just think of them returning to help Mahal with the reshaping of a brand new Arda!
I, too, would have missed the chance to know them. Before they disappeared, I would have like to ask them what they *wanted* Men to remember about them, and what lessons they wanted us to learn from their story.
Great video as usual!
Was it ever revealed if any of the Durins had secret names, like other Dwarves?
Not written anywhere but I'd assume they would have them. Durin ends up being their name, like a title taken on by a king in our world - but there would be names only Dwarves would speak to each other.
Fantastic
This not knowing everything is a prt of what makes the legendarium so deepl fascinating. I think that also it is a good thing that Tolkien covers all possibilities about life death and rebirth with the three races. I think it would be tempting to see Durin the seventh as a reflection of the King Arthur myth, but we know it was precisely this kind of non English mythos against which tolkien fought with his attempts to replace the missing mythology of his native land. Do you think, the lack of clarity of the dwarves is a reflection of his struggles in later life to reconcile his created mythos with his christian views?
Did they take his body to Erebor then? But when Smaug sacked Erebor did they leave it there or did they take it to the Blue Mountains in Thorin's halls?
Unfortunately, these are questions with no answers. It would all be speculation. I've no idea if they took his body, and if they did, I've no idea where they kept it . I was just imagining that they did based on these changes to their mythology. It's not even certain that he did return in the Fourth Age :)
Great video. What audio book was that clip you used from? Thanks!
Hey, this was a recording performed by Phil Dragash It's not part of any official audiobook but it is a recording of Durin's Folk from The Lord of the Rings - Appendix A - III. Durin's Folk.
What happened to Durin VI's body after the Balrog killed him then? Since his spirits only leaves his body only to return many years later?
It doesn't say but someone in the Live Chat asked this and I imagined that they took the body of Durin with him (they weren't going to leave it where it fell). They probably preserved it with honour and when he returned he took his people back to their ancestral homeland. At least, that's how I imagine it.
@@TheRedBook I also wanted to ask that question. Especially because being slain by fire demon like Balrog opens the real possibility, that what remain of your body is one nice heap of ash...
@@AB8511 - Who knows? I don't really want to get into the mechanics or Dwarvish beliefs. What if a Durin was beheaded? Does the head reattach? I don't know haha.
@@TheRedBook Indeed. What i really intended by stating this question is that Legendarium is a complex world, and even if Tolkien in various stages of hits development writes something it should be considered in relation to the whole as a system. This hypothesis, lets call it "hibernating Durin" would be difficult to maintain for this reason. Also we have no other examples of such "hibernation" in other races, perhaps with exception of ents? On the other hand there is a plenty of examples of soul and reincarnation in another body like in the case of elves. So it would be reasonable to assume that aule followed similar line of thinking with Dwarves and original forefathers of the dwaeves are simply reincarnated in new bodies after some time (they could even spend that time with Aule in Valinor?)
I feel that maybe your summation of the original seven may be the truth of tolkens vision and the long sleep be the equal to lenth of the original sleep before the comming of the elves.
As long as I can remember dwarves have been given Scottish accents in most fantasy creations.
I do not know when this trope started but I wonder how you feel about it?
On one hand it is insulting to Scots...the trope being we are short, hairy, violent drunks.
On the other hand it's always nice to here Scottish accents in fantasy shows/films/games.
And to be fair I as a Scot am short, hairy, violent and drunk XD
I can't pinpoint when this happened but Dwarves seemed to be Norse and Germanic, then when they started speaking English it was with "Northern" accents that ended up being Scottish. I did read that some Dungeons & Dragons version of Dwarves became Scottish because of a story that influenced their inclusion - Three Hearts and Three Lions by Poul Anderson. The Dwarf had a Scottish accent and it seemed to grow from there.
I don't find it insulting - only when it's a very poor Scottish accent 😂 . I think it would be cool if Dwarves as I picture them were voiced by Scottish people. Less comic relief and more "grim north".
I like that most of the warhammer dwarfs have a Yorkshire accent except for a select few it's a nice change.
@@TheRedBook It would definitely be intereresting to pin point when this trope began. I am 45 and it has always seemed to be a thing, anyone got any origins?
So this must mean Presbyterians are Dwarves/dwarfs, right? I’ll take that connotation! ;P
@@TheRedBook
Are you picking on Dísa's accent?😆🤣😂
Amazing! Would be very interested in a video talking about why the Dwarves were so resistant to the will of Sauron when wearing one of his rings. Also, when Sauron retrieves three of the Dwarven rings, why doesn't he distribute them to other men and create 12 Nazgul? Why does the messenger offer them back to Dain if they help find Bilbo (perhaps lying?)?
As for the question of passing the 3 retrieved Dwarven Rings to other men to make more Wraiths, Sauron may have indeed done so if he regained the One Ring. He still held sway over the Nine because he held their Rings to ensure their obedience so passing out more wouldn't have been high on his priorities
@@Telcontar86 that makes total sense.
Hi Quincy, I'll be answering your comment in more detail in my Appendices video for September, hope you will have time to check it out when it's live.
@@TheRedBook Oh, how exciting! Thanks for the heads up
Beautiful and informative. At least, as informative as one can be about a race that, quite literally, takes their secrets to the grave. I believe The Professor's choice to keep the secrets of the Khazâd is a perfect example of "the note not played" and the power of implication over explicit. I would be interested to hear a discussion of the other six fathers and how their "clans" differed.
So, in the story where Durin and the other original leaders of the dwarven houses come back to life, I wonder if the ruling king simply abdicated when the original one came back to life? And what effect might this have on the line of succession?
I will pick up on this point in my Appendices video, in case you are wondering why I didn't directly respond here.
Amazingly well job congrats for the reverence and complete way to quote the cannonical texts about the return of Durin the seven if he's born in171F.A..then at least we must count between 50-60 years for him (according youthful Gimli statetment) to take all the dwarves and all the way to enter,retake and re populate pluss "restore to his ancient glory" kasad Dum,so we're talking at least 230- 240 Fourt age!! So sad we don't have more account that of peoples of middle earth",Nature of middle earth and Appendix A..but that along with their profecies it's enough to be sure they did retake about 230-240Fourt age..
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Aule: Wants to make life.
Eru: You little scamp. Alrighttttt....
Melkor: Wants to make life.
Eru: You need to be tied up with a very big chain until the end of time.
So if the same body is indwelt by Durin's fëa, which lies dormant between lives, what happens when he wakes? Of course, he becomes King automatically, but does he ever wed? Have children? I am guessing he doesn't, so does the line of Kings then follow the King whose throne he usurped? Also, in this version of the 7 Durins, is it possible that Durin might be Aulë living among his children and blessing them? Just wondering.
Tolkien says the dwarves dwindle and their race ends. I wonder what role Durin the last, Aule, and eru had in the decision to end the dwarves.
Good thing the Balrog treated During VI's body with TLC or it would be a pretty painful reincarnation being chopped up into scorched little bits.
The wonders of Dwarven tombs. Close the lid, put it on a timer, and voila! A new Durin!
@@TheRedBook Like the sarcophagus in Stargate!
I do enjoy your videos. Wishing you much success.
It is is said in Tolkien gateway that: Durin would not actually reincarnate in the sense of him being born and reborn in a new body. Rather, his original body was preserved, and his spirit would return to it and be granted life again. He would share this trait along with the other fathers of the Dwarves.[8]
What do you think of this?
I just noticed you had it in video and it makes Gimlis poem quite literal indeed!
I think Yavanna is a bit perturbed that no one cares what happens to the Ents who die. I think Steven needs to do a video on Ents or else Yavanna will call on Eru to do something "hasty" to Steven. Steven, give us an ENT video please!!! Before it's too late!!!😜
:) Dwarven language - do they learn it or are they born with the knowledge? If later is true, they might know their origins the same way
Dwarven culture has a lot of Buddhist influences I feel. Durin reminds me a lot of the Dalai/Penchen Lama in Tibetan Buddhism. Very interesting how they can have both the knowledge of where and how they were created but also left with the ambiguity of what happens after life or creation ends.
Could Gimli have met Aulë when he was given privilege to live out the rest of his days near the undying lands?
If he went to Valinor, then possibly. Though, it is far more likely he went with other mortals to Tol Eressëa which is off the coast of Aman itself.
@@TheRedBook Yes of course but man such meeting it would be. The inpact for both of them on personal and cultural levels. I almost get teary eyes thinking about it.
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Yes. Only Tol Eressëa makes sense. But could Aulë have visited Tol Eressëa to meet one of his children? That would be a heart-warming story.
I needed this to wash the taste of Rings of Powahhh out of my mouth
You didn't love it? 😂
Yup. Take away the eye candy and you are left with a stinking pile of excrement. That Numenor sea captains family plays like something out of a soap like Neighbours. Their trials and tribulations would be better suited for Home and Away lol.
Seems like the dwarves are Ishmael,
Even having the “often strife will arise between them and the chosen children”
If i had a son I wanted to name him
Durin. It's such a strong Masculine name imho.
Durins, avatars of Aule
And their race dwindled and died out from Middle Earth.
Basically the equivalent of the Tibetan Buddha.
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Oh goodness, you're one of those are you?
@@oliverflanagan6438 It's the law.
@Oliver Flanagan - fancy leaving a comment saying first and I will delete his one? 😅😱
@@TheRedBook Do as you wish. But in all our hearts we will know who truly was first.