This 13900K did NOT want to be delidded!
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- čas přidán 17. 03. 2023
- Delidding this 13900K CPU proved to be a lot harder than expected...
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The reason their delid tool goes up and down instead of sideways is because it works for 12th (12th gen has capacitors that would break off with side to side) and 13th gen and der8auers is only for 13th gen
Not entierly true. i delidded with a kit from aliexpress for $9. my 12700kf, side to side and had no issues. i was careful though and heated it up with a blow dryer.
@@Hammercannon i had watched der8auers video on his delid tool and he was talking about how it could be done but he wasn't going to market it as 12th gen due to the risk
Rockitcool for 12th gen goes side to side, resistors are only on one side, so you can only go in one direction, but it works great. Just used the same one for 13th gen. He should have used some heat. I have also seen a bunch of people who were sent this kit have trouble with the threads on the delid tool
@Strong Island X used the rockitcool one on my last build and I didn't even need the heat, just went slow and was perfect
@@Hammercannon An idiot surviving a car crash without a seatbelt does not mean that seatbelts are unnecessary. Anecdotal evidence does not refute the reasoning for DerBauer's lack of 12th gen support.
Jay, might I suggest... Rather than using zip ties for the fan wires, or any wires routed along the chassis, get some sewing thread and wind it around the chassis and wire(s) in a wide spiral. It'd be a little less noticeable and intrusive comparted to zip ties, and you could get a gold thread as an accent or black to blend in.
This build is gonna be a workout to just move at this rate 🤣
The guys are gonna like come in when this build is done and be like
"JAY WHY THE HECK ARE YOU SOAKING WET!"
Jay: "Just trying to move the new EVGA build to the proper work area..."
@@MJSGamingSanctuary LOOOOOOOOOOOOLOLOLOL!!!111!!!!!111!!!!1!!!!!11
Now the carbon fiber frame is functional: weight redux!
@@Nareimooncatt Just need now to dip the rest of the non electronic parts in like a rose gold. and will have one beautiful effing PC rig.
Try a mass loaded silent case sometime, theyre ridiculously heavy XD
If you are dead set on going with the whole gold and black theme another way to really get a little more gold in there could be to heat the parts and use a copper brush to transfer copper onto those silver suspension wire holder parts. I have seen it done on a few different channels with many different things and the finish is usually really good looking in my opinion.
Just an idea.
love the channel and the builds ect keep up the madness. :3
You could also anodize them it turns out it's not that hard to do it at home
@@seablake4116 They are stainless steel, not aluminium
@@ic_trab it can still be anodized just a bit more complicated
this is a fast and dirty way of doing it and I love it. It can look amazing.
gonna go that nuts u could just use gold leaf
ROCKIT Cool de-lidder is very good. Used for my 10th Gen and 13900KS (bought the de-lidder for 13th gen)... no sweat and the de-lidder itself gives you some confidence.
Seeing the synced jokes between Jay and Phil honestly make my day while watching these videos
Can't wait to see the build when it's done. I think it's going to look sick.
I'm legit jelly about this build. It looks so clean and cool.
If you are overly concerned with the silver mounts you might look into having them gold electroplated. Or, possibly the cheaper option, hot brass brush them.
Or a gold sharpie!
Honestly, a kind of brass color might complement the gold ! :D
Or gold leaf
Totally agree, although brass look like brass only in youtube videos (i.e. freshly machined/brushed)
Guess you're loving the LTT screwdriver
Jay if you want those stainless cable holders to look golden you can try brass coating them with a torch and a brass brush wheel, assuming they come off and there is no plastic bits and pieces inside.
I recently did a black and gold custom loop build. I dyed the fluid black but primochills vue in gold would look dope aswell . You can also use gold fittings for more accents
Everybody I know that got the ek delid tool has had their tool strip. I got one as well and got halfway thru the delid and it stripped the screws right out. I ended up getting the rockit cool tool to finish the job. Ek said this isn’t a wide spread problem but it is. It happened to kit guru tech in his delid video as well
Jay, from watching your videos and you talking about derbauer alot I started watching some of his videos and I have been really enjoying his channel now. Thank you for mentioning him as much as you have, he makes some really awesome videos
I used heat when I delidded my 12900k and 13900k, helps allot. Also ek sent the liquid metal to use as tim between the block cold plate and the CPU die, that's one of the main benefits of delidding. I just got the velocity 2 direct die conversion kit. Kinda cool ek released that. All delidded now just gotta install block
did you use the ek delid tool or rockitcool?
Have you looked up how easy metal plating is? I think you would really enjoy gearing up to do it and then make those stainless cable tensioners actually gold plated!
1:06 Jay: I WoNdEr WHy tHEy cHOSe tWo.
Absolutely craked me up.
Jay!
These are such interesting videos.
That process was fun to watch.
(showing my age) I used one of the original Zalman "Flower" heatsinks, which was gold plated for better thermal conduction. It was so beautiful that I still have it sitting on my desk as a sculptural piece...
I'm just wondering. Why are you using paste instead of liquid metal for direct die? The benefits of using liquid metal with direct die should be much higher, especially because of the density. All that heat in such a small area. I wouldn't be surprised if your performance is very similar to your regular IHS install because of using paste, maybe slightly worse, I don't know.
He said that he doesnt like the maintenance associated with liquid metal. The paste he used is super high performance stuff, even better than liquid metal regarding temperature cycles, meaning it would last super long and not need replacement.
Direct die with paste will be better.
There is no way this is going to be similar or worse then w/ a IHS. All gpu blocks use thermal paste instead of LM. It's just easier to work with and last a lot longer. The temp difference on the first day will be only 2-3C at most, remember whatever in between the coldplate and die it has to be as thin as possible, the biggest problem with a stock IHS is the thickness (a few milimeters) of the IHS itself. For direct die no matter it's LM or thermal paste it's only going to be a few micrometers thick after the proper install of the block, the effect of thermal conductivity difference is going to be tiny. I would actually suggest people to use thermal paste because if you have a contact problem between the die and coldplate, you can at least see your cpu throttling with thermal paste, with LM and a bad contact your cpu will die before you have a chance to see anything.
@@AprilVic The thing is the CPUs are soldered with indium to the IHS. This is why I think paste would be worse. Also the pump out effect is a lot more pronounced on CPUs because the die is smaller with so much heat output. My 4790K I had this happen a lot, initially it'd be ok but the paste would eventually pump out and I'd have to redo it a bunch.
The GPU argument also doesn't work here, GPUs have never had a soldered IHS prior too. The ones which did have an IHS used paste underneath to begin with. Not to mention the density per square mm also wasn't as bad. 350w in a tiny space such as a 13900K vs a GPU which has a die much bigger. They're different scenarios. Also the kit he is using is in every way designed to be used well with liquid metal.
I'd agree doing pretesting with paste is fine to check the contact patch, but using liquid metal makes so much sense for the actual cooling aspect. EK purposely nickel plate the block so there isn't really any maintenance that needs doing, typically people complain of "dry out" because liquid metal makes an alloy with copper (either they're using a copper IHS or cold plate). I also don't see him using that block or CPU again after taking the system apart so I also don't see where the maintenance argument comes into play here. They also give you a highly compressable foam guard so you could go pretty heavy with your application aswell if you wanted without worry of spillage into places it can cause damage.
Also lets not forget the higher the heatout the bigger the difference in paste vs liquid metal. Seems like a no brainer to me to use liquid metal.
@@AprilVic You would know immediately after applying either thermal paste or liquid metal if not enough was used or poor contact was made with the die. For long term thermal paste is better no doubt although it dries out eventually as well.
@JayzTwoCents The new rig is looking great! One bit of advice is since you're always getting new viewers when you mention 'delid' it would be good to give a 10 second description of what it is and why one would want to try it ... IMHO.
But Jay, you need a golden sample CPU for your golden evga kingpin build with the golden Ek/Derb8uer direct die CPU waterblock.
this was a superr sick video with the delid! thanks so much!
Jay: I love how it matches the kingpin logo nicely.
4090: outta the way!
I love the satisfying sound of the ratcheting in that screwdriver you're using.
Right before you guys started singing UP IN HEEERE I was already singing it in my head. It's the little things I love about these videos.
1:06 JaysTWOCents wonders why he got serial no TWO 🤣
Looking Great! I hope you can send in the GPU shroud to get gold plated to match the water block, and then you wouldn't need to get a gold logo.
I love how Jay said that he loves the way the EK waterblock matches the kingpin logo then immediately covers the kingpin with the EVGA graphics card lol
I like the gold water block. Very different. Awesome build so far. 👍
Jay, this rig looks sick, really enjoying the building
Roman is probably crying cause you delidded with his tool and everything just to apply thermalpaste from the competition. 😂
Not jealous of this build at all! This is my most anticipated build you’ve done ever 👍🏼
+1 just for Phil adding in the off camera color commentary!
8:26 whenever you screw something that has 4 screws in every corner, use the criss cross screwing methode :)
This is gonna be such a sick ass machine! I can't wait to see it finished
Is that a Doug Demuro intro? :)
Jay - on the subject of metallic colours, in my opinion they tend to be better as accent colours, & too much of them in a colour scheme for something can end up looking gaudy. Obviously it depends on the overall design/theme, but I just think that it's very easy for metallic (or sometimes bright non-metallic) colours to end up being overwhelming.
I was hoping this was an old video so I could just click on part 2 already. Looking good so far. Hopefully when it's all done you get a POST.
I love that so many CZcamsrs are using Doug's "THIS..." intro lol
Gold inserts on the BBS wheels of a vintage Porsche 930 Turbo looks awesome too!
That realization at 2:18 when he sees that it's for a direct-die mount & not the standard mount 😂typical ADHD moment, sometimes we miss the simplest, dumbest details. Also the spot around 5:39 reminded me of how I used a razor to delid my old 4670K years ago, I was worried more about sweating on the parts than the razor slipping
That block looks sick Jay! I guess now you have to remove all the hardware from that chassis and send them out to be plated!
Love watching the build videos.
looks awesome Jay keep up the black and gold theme
It all looks great. Nice work.
Had the exact same Problem with my EK-Quantum Velocity² IHS Removal Tool. hopefully my i9-13900k will still work
The gold looks like the heat reflecting gold foil on race car engine intakes, so it fits the theme awesome!
You can simply have the stainless cable mounts heat treated to become gold. They will simply heat it in a bed of brass shavings until it naturally reaches a straw gold color. It will be easy and cheap.
That Doug level 'This' tho.
Note: The Thermal Grizzly contact frame does NOT fit on all Z790 motherboards! You need longer screws for some. I have this situation on my ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 Apex.
My thermal grizzly contact frame that I ordered a month ago came with a longer set of screws. Not sure if I got a new stock or if they’ve refreshed this, but I did need this longer set that was included for my Z790 Maximus Hero.
@@tsnow20 Mine did not get any screws. They must have brought as new revision out that included that. They told me to buy the longer screws and they would Paypal the cost of it. I denoed it and now I have it but not using it.
So glad I canceled my order for that delid tool. After seeing kitguru struggle and seeing a few people on forums and reddit share the same gripe it would've sucked to use that on my 13900KS. I just ordered the rockitcool instead.
I have to agree, them Lian Li fans are absolutely astonishingly good, in performance and looks. It took 20 sets of wiring out of my system down to 4 sets of wiring.
If only the L-Connect 3 software wasn't such a pain in the ass to deal with (I couldn't get my lights to work so I just set the controls to the motherboard and run Signal).
They are worse than Arctic p12 on rads which is the budget king. Those fans look good, but performance is just okay.
I need to figure out how good of an aio I need for the 13700k and 13900k because I'm building this week and I can't decide
Looks awesome Jay!
Thermal test that 13900K under load!
The Liquid Metal was for the cpu as well has the removal of the metal material from the delid process
You should have got a foam frame to stop leakage when mounting using Liquid Metal 😊
Neat. Wonder if heating the processor with a heatgun would soften the contact when delidding. Cannot see myself doing that again, but never say never.
why do you say liquid metal only lasts so long??? i thought it was basically permanent. i dedlided my 8700k with liquid metal a long time ago and its been great. or "has lifespan" as u so elegantly put it lol
can't wait to see the numbers you get out of that delidded 13900 and with that water block
11:10 "It matches the Kingpin logo so nicely!"
11:25 Puts the GPU right in front of it.
😆
Your work never fails to impress and inspire.
You could probably get the non-gold parts anodized (or do it yourself if you have a toaster oven that you don't care about anymore)
The SECOND you said "Up in here" I started doing the same thing. Lol :)
Was the CPU tested after delidding? I feel that's something that would be beneficial to check before continuing on. If it were me, my luck would be I'd get to the end of the build, attempt to power it on, only to find out it's dead and have to pull it all apart and have to buy another 13900K.
Ok
it was, he used it for his review of the chip
This comment should be higher. I feel like just powering it on with that massive gold heatsink would get you past memory training and into UEFI without overheating.
@@CRISPdotTV he benchmarked it for review before delidding. Otherwise the results wouldn't be any good since you're not testing it as consumers would receive it.
@@CRISPdotTV He doesn't mean testing it to figure out how much better it is delidded. But to test it to see if the delidding broke it before making the custom loop.
It would be a lot of work for you but, one ting that you could do for all of the tension case parts to make them look semi gold is to take a brass brush, heat it up, and then brush that on to the metal. The metal transfer from the brass being soft and malleable under heat will give you a Golding effect ish. Its not permeant but it lasts. more permeant if you clear the piece but yeah. its a lot more work but thought idea.
Anodizing isn't actually that hard either
I'm saving this video for a day when i'm more stable, the thumbnail frikking sent me down a hole of anxiety 😅
Somewhere in this world, Jays2Cents with their already delidded CPU is still waiting for their block to arrive...
Jay: Breathes
Camera Guy: HAHAHAHAHAHEEHEHEEEHE
That video title and then you didnt even test the CPU afterwards really pushed my buttons. 😂 Sitting through the entire thing and never got that "phew" moment. 😆
Now I think you should go with gold fittings! Keep everything on the board gold and stuff outside of the board chrome.
The custom build videos are fantastic.
I'm diggin that paper towel holder you got there
Can’t wait for this build to be done!
8:04 it looks like there is something wrong with 2 pins in the socket. I hope it won't cause the system not to boot.
It will never not be funny to me that Jay was so dismissive of the LTT screwdriver he was sent and yet it has become part of his computer building tool kit.
I wonder if he would change his thoughts on it now? My guess he uses it because it there.
he wasn't dismissive, he said it's nice (but also that he preferred the electric thingy)
@@formbi but barely uses it in videos lol
Just don't drop it, who knows what'll happen 😅 sorry Linus ya clumsy goof
@@tomferguson9250 Yeah very first time I dropped mine it broke a clip as well. Their support was really nice and even reached out to me to warranty it after I left a review, so there's that at least. It's a shame because the ratchet mechanism does feel nice and the knurling is handy, but I don't trust even just using it around the house because I'd hate to break my replacement.
Anodize all aluminum parts gold. Get gold plated Cables (the braided cables for the frame). Get gold bezels for the gauges. I think that would make it complete.
"If I ruin the CPU I guess I'm just buying another one" man I wish I can easily say the same on a 13900K lol
I remember when Paul and Kyle still worked at Newegg and did the Gold Build, and as the build progressed Kyle transformed into a pimp. Totally gaudy and over the top, but it showed me that anything is possible when building a pc.
hey jay you could look at getting the silver pieces on the case powder coated gold so everything matches
Was it me or was a few of the pins looked bent in socket? From the video angle on the left lower side. @8:03 you can see 2 spots. IDK maybe he fixed them already.
Conductonaut user of five years now on same CPU here. It "dries up," because it soaks into the metal. But as it soaks in, the rate it soaks in decreases. Add a fresh coat of liquid metal like nail polish to CPU at 6 months, 12 months after that, and never again. I haven't added more in years with no increase in temps or stability.
Jay ...check your socket bro! I saw some pins that didn't appear normal, when you removed the socket retention bracket. Awesome Vid! Keep up the great content sir!
I have my popcorn ready waiting on the next video title "I BROKE my 13900K!"
The build looked pretty good with the "Kingpin" and the CPU water block with gold accents...then the GPU hid it. Can't win! It would be a good build to mount the GPU on the backside! It's an open case. If it were air cooled I'd say it would be better keeping the thermals from the GPU & CPU separate. Also, I haven't seen it done. If the CPU survived!
Yeah its a shame the GPU hid the logo, i would keep the GPU where it is but lay it down flat with the fans pointed downwards...or even upwards, and lower it down some more somehow (3d printed brackets?) so it shows more of the Kingpin logo and motherboard in general. But i do like ur idea of having it on the back also.
Im more proud of my boy getting considered an icon I've been watching since the old days when you did your 1st water cooling tutorial
Your shop is so cool, all of the parts and hardware everywhere, but I have yet to see the stack of $100 bills you have to go through to keep this up. GREAT build, best of luck.
the video ending squirt fart will forever hold a special place in my heart
Spare parts intothe box... yup! the spare parts from the monoblock and parts removed into the monoblock box, and into the MB box...
“It’s literally the same thing, except a little bit different.” 😂😂
You are a brave man, Jay. I could never do that to such an expensive CPU, even if I knew 100% itt would work fine.
(And I do agree that if there is a wording on the part it should be right side up)
00:00 Doug would be proud 👍🏼
Was that "👋THIS👋" at the start a Doug Demuro reference 😂
That moment when I started going, "UP IN HERE, UP IN HERE" a split second before Jay.
Props to Doug for the intro 😁
I had the same problem delidding. My screw and screw hole stripped. Just about everyone that has posted a video has had issue with this delidding tool. I wish I could find der8auers delidding tool.
"Guess I'll just buy another"
Oh to be so privileged haha. Still saving for parts for my 7950x3d build, slowly but surely! 😊
I de lidded a couple of CPU's I don't think I have done anything AMD but I was always nervous doing it. But it worked and I am a few cpu's past them now so they did what they needed to do but it was so much better on cooling. I also get nervous with liquid metal. Just because I am so used to using non conductive options.
Looks amazing, but you really need more gold in that build - maybe gold dip parts of the frame or whatever 💛
The gold looks so good along with the "Kingpin" logo, proceeds to put the GPU in front of the Kingpin logo xD
This is interesting, because the EK instructions specifically say that you should only put a drop of TIM in the middle of the CPU. Yes, the direct die kit-specific instructions...