Free Agent Tampering Prior to July 1st, Jets Acquire Coghlan from Canes, Minor Signings
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We really need the Future Considerations career video. Guy's had a hell of a career, he's been a major trade piece for a lot of teams.
Lol true
ikr? he was an insane fleece for my stars trading faksa
lmao
I would genuinely like to see the top 3 players traded “future consideration” and what the best (if any) future considerations return ended up being (like if they got a pick and that pick turned out to be legit)
I've never seen him on the score sheet
Shocked. I am shocked to hear of gambling in this establishment.
Your winnings, sir...
Well played, gents.
If the league isn't going to acknowledge CTE, they sure as hell arent going to acknowledge "alleged tampering".
Tampering related… I think the NHL might shake its finger saying No No don’t do that… but not actually do anything beyond that because all teams are doing it
I question other rules too which is not worth it... ie waivers peronally I think thy should scrap it - you should freely move players back and forth in AHL & NHL as needed w out fear of losing players to other teams.
@@adamtajhassam9188 I agree with you there. At least limit it
What? You mean complicated near-decade long contracts worth 50 million dollars and complicated trade clauses aren't hammered out in 30 seconds with the first team that calls?!?
This is why it's always struck me as odd when teams 'trade negotiating rights'... I mean, just negotiate, everyone else is anyway.
Here's the thing... the second half of your comment makes VERY little sense imo... ESPECIALLY when you start off the first half, with such a sarcastic comment...
Do you REALLY think the teams that are trading PURELY for the early rights to sign a player, that said teams aren't basically 99% sure before the execute said trade, that said player is willing to sign an extension with this new club, based around term/cap hits that were agreed upon prior to the deal going through... Knowing at WORST it's just some small details to iron out after the trade, like NMC/NTCs, bonuses, etc etc...
Can you think of a single team that's traded for the early rights to negotiate with a player, where that player said "no thanks" to signing with said club?! I certainly can't.
One of the benefits to having a team work out a sign and trade with another for example, (think jets trading Dubois to Kings) is the max term limit for a "resign" is 8 years, as a free agent its 7 years...
You can "early negotiate" through a third party... But there's absolutely no reassurance that every other team isn't doing the same thing with the same player... If you have SOME idea they're interested in playing for your team, trading for the early negotiating rights shows this new team is HEAVILY committed to bringing you in. Shows they want you badly... Etc etc. it can be smart business to insure somebody from a different market doesn't offer the player 1.5 mil more at the final seconds, right when you think you've got everything agreed to once FA officially opens on July 1st...
You are allowed to talk to players from the day after the draft or after June 25th whichever comes later. Can't sign till July 1st, I think everyone has forgotten that.
@@macleanclassics They forgot about it because it hasn't been a thing since the 2020 MOU.
@@macleanclassicsthat’s old, negotiation window was removed in the last CBA. You cannot talk to another team’s player prior to free agency - unless provided permission by the team directly (ie the team allowing the agent to search for a trade).
Tampering? As Claude Rains once said...“Round Up The Usual Suspects.”
once ? 😊
As long as only a few number of agencies will represent players and that teams will name buddies in major positions, it will be virtually impossible to restrain tampering.
The current CBA doesn’t make July 1 a hard date for tampering purposes. Per the CBA, “Day after the Entry Draft (but not later than June 25) until June 30, Unrestricted Free Agents may meet and interview with potential new clubs, but may not sign a new SPCs until the opening of RFA/UFA Signing Period.” So players and GMs ARE allowed to meet and discuss, even hammer out a solid deal. They just cant sign anything and file it with the NHL until July 1.
That is really greasy logic by the GM's. If you are not supposed to contact a free agent until July 1st then that means you are not supposed to contact a free agent until July 1st, not even through in intermediary.
Tampering is sort of like speeding... if 100 is posted you're good under 120
Sharks' prospect scrimmage was $25 this year.
Edit: Most of the rest of camp was open to public for free and the scrimmage was broadcast on youtube for free as well. They started doing the public scrimmage about a decade ago, it was originally free, then when it got more popular it was free but there was a lottery for the tickets, then they expanded it from the practice facility to larger venues (first the normal arena with only the lower bowl open, now Tech CU Arena where the Cuda play.
Carolina started doing that too. The intersquad scrimmage always used to be free along with the whole “fan day” experience.
The NHL loves Free Agencies like this year, big news generates big interest. They prefer tampering so things are a surprise rather than a negotiation period.
The Flyers scrimmage was free, a way to get out of the oppressive heat and humidity, and it was jam packed. Free agent tampering has been g OK ING on for years.
When the Thunderbirds are doing great it’s “F.A.B.”
Probably a hot take but I'm completely fine with tampering fading into nothingness, especially if it's even just communication between gms and agents. Tampering is a holdover from when teams basically owned players and as we moved into the existence of free agency, owners still wanting more control over players entering it. It's a lot easier to convince a guy to just resign for you if he literally can't talk to anyone else until he's officially unemployed. Wasn't a big deal for superstars since there was zero doubt they would score a contract, but roster guys who might not get a job elsewhere if they don't know there's interest, huge deal. It allows players to make an informed decision and decide if they're being properly valued by their team and if they could bring more money home for their family at the end of the day.
When Shannon mentioned "Gustafsson", I thought he meant Erik. I was surprised when he later mentioned that "Gustafsson" would be a depth forward for the Jets.
For entry to Leafs dev camp, you just need a qr code.
Tampering would be tough to crack down on. Anything they did would probably have minimal, to zero, effect.
Everybody is doing it!?...Somebody please wake up my GM Drury and let him know!! 😅
I don’t know what you’re talking about, the Devils absolutely weren’t tampering by all but signing Pesce two weeks before it was official and trading away Marino to Utah a few days before that. 😂
I remember a Minnesota Wild employee (Lou Nanne iirc) declaring Zach Parise would sign with the Wild about a week before July 1. Was waiting for the NHL to hand over a future HOFer and captain of 3 Stanley cup winning teams to the Devils as compensation.. but that's not how Gary does things.
The word 'tampering' is subjective. "Well, buddy said . . "
Sweet Jersey!!
Winni should go back to those full time!
Here's the solution for free agency: have the players' contracts end officially before July 1st (say, day after Stanley Cup final ends), therefore there is a window where teams can negotiate with players before July 1st. Or just continue how it is where the league allows contact with upcoming UFAs so long as a GM doesn't publicly announce that they are going after a certain player when free agency opens.
But then you have dead assets on your team the second their contract ends. I don’t think they’ll ever allow a period where a player isn’t contracted without them holding out past July 1
We all know tampering exists. We knew Hyman was an Oiler before he officially "was"
Holland was so established and respected I think he jsut didn’t care. Like all his last signings fit under tampering.
@@frankytanky5076 He was also ready to retire. I'd do the same if I was him lol
I’m thinking there’s a very specific definition of tampering, and that’s not always being met.
Even though Logan Stanley has his detractors, I'm happy that the Jets are hanging on to him
The only way they could maybe deter it would be to introduce a cap penalty for it, and I mean like a big one. Something like a 5mil cap penalty the next season. Probably still wouldn't help but maybe would deter a few owners at least from wanting their gm to do it.
about tampering, there's a story going on about tyler bertuzzi "accidentally admitting " that CHI was tampering as he was leaving TOR as a free agent.
Nick Foligno recruiting Bertuzzi isn’t tampering
League won't do anything in the Leafs favour. That would be against their M.O. If it was the other way, well that's 5 1st round draft choices. Lol.
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@@michaelb5119 you stop. The NHL favors the mid size and small size American Markets.
@jayvardy lmao not like that in terms of punishing teams good lord. When was the last time the leafs were punishment for tampering? It's like thg said everyone is doing it. Not everything is a conspiracy theory
Didn't we used to have a 2-3 day period at the end of June where pending UFA could negotiate with other teams?
I really enjoyed how genuinely shocked and surprised Shane Wright was at the draft couple years ago.
I heard that Cutter and Sennecke were the standouts at Ducks development camp, ended Friday.
I was at their development camp scrimmage yesterday, Sennecke looked like a million bucks. Igor Sidorov was also a huge stand-out. Gauthier also looked really good. Can't wait to see these guys in the Honda Center eventually
Like you say, how would you police it? Very plausible deniability when using an intermediary.
6:17 lol Doody
I think they should officially allow for agents to talk to teams before Canada day. Seeing deals fly in at a rapid pace makes for a fun event.
I would like to know more on the tampering side of this story, also an interesting follow up would be does the agent use that information in trying to get a deal with the existing club?
You mean GMs try to end-run the tampering rules? Me: surprised Pikachu face. Or, if you are from an older generation: "I'm shocked! Shocked!"
@douglassun8456 or if you're from an even older generation you do the Sgt. Schultz " I see nothing, I know nothing " from Hogan's Heros
@@ianleslie6971
Hogan’s Heroes was prior to 1942? Wow, talk about visionary.
Adam to Eve: I ate what? 😮🍎
@GizmoBeach you are right. I was thinking of a later ,TV sit com that used that reference line as a punch line
As to what I think should be done: "Tampering" certainly does make things much more difficult for the team holding the existing contract (or makes it unfair, if you prefer), assuming that they want to retain that player. But realistically, how is the League supposed to prevent any and all indirect contact between rival GMs and a player? You would need to chart out everyone's personal and professional connections in a way that makes a Steve Dangle trade tree look like simple geometry, and you'd need to monitor everyone's private communications like the NSA. It can only work by gentlemen's agreement, and we all know how NHL GMs are anything but perfect gentlemen toward each other. Even if you could get such an agreement in place with everyone sincere about following it, it's only going to last as long as the next Burke/Lowe-style dust-up.
Coghlan is so bad on defense that I'm just glad that he's gone.
A lot of the development camp scrimmages were live on You Tube and perhaps some of the team networks (Bally's, etc.), giving fans the opportunity to check out the upcoming year's competition a little in advance !
Why Doesn’t the nhl do the same thing as the nba and allow a period were agents can talk and sign agreements before the actual free agency .
Of course it doesn’t help the gms had a whole week after the end of the playoffs to free agency.
It's ultimately up to the players as to whether they wish to be "tampered" with. After watching Bobby Orr get screwed over - now 50 years later... I don't blame them for checking things out for themselves on the down low.
I’m sure agents want to and go about collecting offers as soon as possible for their UFA clients, whether they present them or collect them for July 1 who knows
It’s definitely tampering, but since every team is doing it and the league doesn’t crack down on it, so therefore it’s NOT tampering… unless you’re Jim Benning and you’re on record saying you think you’re going after so-and-so before July 1st…
Teams never talk with players, GMs, coaches, or anything like that before they're allowed to. No. Never. Mike Gillis knew not to do that...
I did wonder how there were so many signings on July 1. Like wouldn’t there need to be time to negotiate and compare contract offers?
Then again, what’s the difference once the season is over? Only a week until July 1.
Exactly, it's like a store selling the new iPhone or Xbox, opening its doors at 8am... and declaring they're sold out. 🤨
@@brientaylorcohen That’s not a bad analogy.
The way I look at the hockey season is that it is basically over after the Stanley Cup is awarded. So, teams should have that window between the Cup and July 1 to talk with players and agents. Why keep pretending?
I dont think it really matters if GMs are talking to players before july 1st
Because until July 1, a player’s rights belong to a certain team, and maybe that team wants to resign him. They may not have the opportunity to do that if they’re negotiating with another team behind their backs. Until July 1, one team has negotiating rights with the player. That’s part of why teams sign these contracts.
Dude UFA rights mean something. GMs talking to a player before July 1st violates the rights of the team who owns that player’s UFA rights.
@@CarolinaBuckrush teams should be able to talk to a player in the final year of the contract regardless of "rights"
@@atomic_hok not really it screws with teams who are trying to be competitive and focusing on contracts later. Also what about player acquired during the deadline? Upholding a team’s rights to a UFA is important. That last year still has the player under a contract to their team and other teams aren’t suppose to talk until free agency otherwise it’s tampering which is wrong.
I got solicited by a lawyer after I walked out of the courtroom ( and the doors had shut ) I knew he wasn't supposed to be doing that, but I liked the fact that he would snub his nose at the rules so I thought he would be good and he was!
Not the same thing but the people sitting behind me at the draft were Canucks fans, though they weren't wearing anything Canucks related. Since the Canucks didn't pick until the end of the third round (93rd) and they cheered really loudly after their first pick was made, a guy in a suit came up to them a few seconds later. Turns out he was an agent and he thought they were Melvin Fernstrom's friends/family and was trying to get in with them as a roundabout way to get in with Fernstrom. He walked away as soon as he realized they were just Canucks fans cheering for their pick.
@@jonmendelson1104 Better luck next time!🤣🤣🤣
As a blues fan i can honestly say i know our tesm isnt tampering cause we did nothing got nothing and planned nothing. 😂😂
I’m sure there is tampering, teams talk to players agents prior , they have to. If they don’t why do you see a player sign right away with a team. Don’t they want to field offers from other teams. Case in point I heard several teams were interested in Stamkos and March and boom they both sign right away with Nashville? Fishey
I think tampering fine as long as that players team is no longer playing.
Just let GMs talk directly to player agents year round. If you can't police it, then legalize it. Extend the cap into the playoffs to avoid the LTIR shennannigans.
Sennecke! 🤩
Hi Hockey Guy...Thought on why Sprong and Johnson are still on the shelf and where they may land?
2:15 This is a simple answer in my opinion. If tampering with other teams’ players (or their representatives) is against the rules, then fucking enforce the rule.
If instead the league isn’t going to enforce the rule, then abolish the rule.
Would it be better for the players to allow tampering? That would give them time to discuss with their family about possible moves and stuff like that.
That's what I immediately think of at least.
I think the most important thing about the tampering is they leave the player focused on the season. I hate that the cup was so close to free trade and the guys had to think about it while celebrating
If you can be traded once your team is eliminated from the playoffs you should be able to sign with another eliminated team.
The UFA tampering issue can be solved easily.
Once free agency is open, there’s instantly a 72 hour moratorium on contract signing for UFAs. However, players during this period are available for interviews and negotiations and all other forms of contact. We still get an exciting day of $1B+ being signed in a single day on the day that the moratorium is lifted, but also allows the negotiations to actually start, legally.
Now the 72 hours was just an arbitrary number I threw out for explanation’s sake. However early GMs are typically contacting players is how long the moratorium should be.
I think I'd need to know the purpose behind the rule prohibiting teams from contacting players before July in order to have a position on it. e.g. is it in place because they want to save the hype for July? Are they trying to avoid conflicts of interest in case a player faces the team they're planning to sign with in the playoffs? Are they trying to prevent players from getting distracted by contract offers while they're still playing?
That and it protects UFA rights. Also teams in the playoffs might get screwed because they are busy focusing on winning while agents talk to eliminated teams behind the playoff team’s back.
This is why all the top players are signed on July!!
Personally, I feel the hypocrisy is the most insulting aspect of the tampering discussion. Similar to the previous stance on gambling. Don't preach one thing and then turn a blind eye on the opposite. 🧡💛🧡
I feel for UFAs the exclusive window should be shorter and if a player’s rights are traded to another team there should be a follow up kicker if a deal is signed.
RFAs can remain the same as they are now.
Well Blake's collecting 7th defensmen this offseason though LA doesn't have many D-prospects joining Ontario (Booth and maybe Kirsanov) so we'll see how many play for the Reign
The NHL should enforce their no-tampering rule. Or enforce it, difficult as it is to police.
You going to see Maxxxine? What did you think of X and Peral?
Pretty sure frank seravalli had ardvisson to edm like a month ago
I was wondering how bertuzis move to Chicago was a given before July 1st!
I wonder how the "Proxies" are compensated for their work? And where do people apply? Asking for a friend.
A lot of those "proxies" are players, who are out there trying to recruit friends or former teammates, most likely after their GM used them as a reference in determining whether the free agent might be a good fit on their team. Their compensation is getting to help bring in a guy that they want to play with. It's a way of having a tiny bit of control as to who are their teammates. This kind of thing happens a lot more than many realize.
@@Yo_Adrienne I appreciate the insight, thanks.
Rules are made to be followed, unless nodoby cares about them.
It would probably be best if teams didn’t try to make deals before the finals were over.
That way the players and teams still playing wouldn’t have to think about it or worry that they were at a disadvantage.
But as soon as the season is over, who cares?
NHL Executives are too busy counting money from Gambling Industry to care about monitoring the process....also ordering new velvet slacks to match with those blue suede shoes
Is the wording in the CBA saying GMs can’t DIRECTLY contact a free agent? If so, then if they use an intermediary then they aren’t breaking the rules. And I have zero problem with this. All GMs have the same set of rules to abide by.
Great video. Sums up my opinion of tampering. Since everybody is doing it, what does it matter?
They should just allow teams to talk to pending UFAs 48 hours early.
This has been going on forever.
Yea, I think they have to do something about tampering. It’s too obvious teams are getting to players while other teams have their rights.
Correction: 31 teams are doing it. The Ducks having signed zero players looks to have played by the rules
Concerning proxy tampering, I waiting for the first team to do a feint one year when they have many UFAs on their team to be re-signed. Don't be one of the everybody "doing it" that year, and call foul when someone proxy contacts one of their players. Sort of like a front office diving call to pull penalty draft picks from other teams.
Players should be able to talk to teams so teams can know if they're in or out on a player... dumb rule anyway.
It's not tampering unless you get caught
Either the rule should be totally abolished or then upheld totally. Claiming all 32 teams did it might be true, but in the case if some didn't, they were in an unfair situation. And one would think some teams had better proxies than others.
Also they do it to varying degrees. Canes got screwed over severely this offseason from tampering.
Teams should already be talking to 2025 UFAs then because tampering through a 3rd party isn't punishable and they'd drive prices up for those who are about to sign extensions early.
There is no way to stop it. When you are talking about $1 billion dollars, it is going to happen someway. If it is the no tampering rule getting enforced, it will happen some other way.
Tampering & LTIR are legal i have no issue with it as long its not abused
Nice jersey…..
The agents do all the talking prior July 1st
If you're not affiliated with the team, asking an agent "Hey, I heard the Preds are offering Stamkos 8x4, any truth to that?" is a great way of telling him the Preds would be willing to go 8x4.
I think tampering is difficult to prove or enforce. It's dumb to have a rule that you can't enforce. I think if they want to give the team with their rights some advantage, they should just come up with other incentives (ie, similar to the 8 year deal for an RFA) and let teams talk to whoever they want.
I mean still hurts UFA rights
Why is CapFriendly still up
Rules must have teeth and be enforced with consequences for violations.
Also, there tends to be more fan enthusiasm when players they've followed for 10 years walk away less often.
It's all good until someone gets their feelings hurt.
I wonder if the ex-GM ruffled any feathers saying the quiet part out loud.
Tampering exists in all leagues, it's just a matter of If the organization is stupid enough to get caught
How is that circumventing the tampering exactly. How.
That is, THAT'S TAMPERING YOU IDIOTS. YOU SENT SOMEONE, EVEN IF HE'S NOT PART OF THE TEAM, THAT, IS, TAMPERING. The actual gall, it's like people doing rent using a computer program saying they didn't make rent go up, it's the computer program. No collusion here! Jesus fucking christ. I love watching hockey, or I did but like, I can't enjoy it anymore it seems.
If everyone's cheating, no one is.
Tampering is hard to enforce as it is and teams will always find loopholes in the rules. If everyone knows this is happening but no one cares, I don't see an issue.
Ya don’t say? Players make a decision between multiple teams and agree on a contract within the first half hour?
It's not necessarily "multiple" teams. Just because a lot of teams are interested in a player, it doesn't mean the player wants to go there. Chances are, they've already narrowed it down to one or two without ever talking to any of them.
Sounds like Nick Saban in 2008 while coaching the Dolphins was asked if he was talking to colleges about HC positions. He said " no, I have not talked any schools" Translation, my agent is talking to them so I can I get out of coaching this shit Dolphin team.
If we're all breaking the rule, then get rid of the rule.
There's no rule that the NHL won't turn the other way to if it's broken. Doesn't matter if it's on the ice or in the front office.
Fans of this awesome game.... my Canes are falling apart w UFA's.... signing players I never heard of....,I think I'm gonna throw up!! Pesce..nooooo... Skjei ..nooooo...
is anyone really surprised about the tampering thing?
Since sports in general is plagued with cheaters, why would the NHL be any different?