Working With Bent Wood Wheels | Dynamics of Being a Wheelwright
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2019
- As a wheelwright, the dynamics of wood plays a big role in assembling wood wheels. Accurate mathematics is also fundamental and the smallest mistakes can add up to big errors. On heavy wheels, spokes and fellows undergo extreme flexing during the building process, often times being brought near the point of breaking. Once the fundamentals of the wheelwright are understood in light wheels, the same principles can be applied to heavy wagon wheels. I try to explain those principles here.
You don't make any mistakes if you do nothing! We learn and move on. Thanks for sharing.
My Great Uncle was a wheelwright in Lancashire, England and ended up as a Funeral Undertaker as the wheels "ran out. Thank you for your very interesting videos and in particular for the Natural History and local scenic views at the start and end.
I attended the Westward Ho parade in Pendleton, Oregon yesterday. no motorized vehicles are allow. After watching many of your videos I looked at the wagons very differently than before!
I feel sorry for anyone that doesn't find this really interesting. Glad I paid attention in algebra and geometry class so I could follow you. I think I told you some time back that my great grandfather was a wainwright/blacksmith. Although I was really young when he died, watching your videos brings him and his craft back to life for me. Thank you again for sharing this bygone trade and making history come alive for all of us.
Greetings, Dave. I never imagined that watching someone pound on wood for 15 mins would be so mesmerizing and relaxing for me! LOL The background music makes all the difference. It's a delight to watch your vids on Saturday. Thank you for caring enough to share your craftsmanship with us. Respectful regards.
You are amazing. Figuring out all your gigs and tools out is spectacular. You are the definition of a National treasure! Thanks for sharing
I like the "7 and a strong eighth" bit, this is the real world.
I never ceased to be amazed at the numbers of specialised and effective tools that have been developed to make these near impossible looking tasks possible.
It is so nice to see this gentleman show us how it all works. Really hope he taught someone else to do this all.
This is why our math instructors in school always told us to check your work! Nice save!
Whoa, i doubt anyone could put on a half like that without knowing exactly what they are doing. That's a lot of work, precise work at that. Each video, never ceases to amaze.
My dad always called his hammer(s) a 'persuasion tool' and watching you ease each spoke into place, a bit at a time, seems to very much be a persuasion process and is a joy to watch.
A properly used hammer will make anything see it your way.
Awesome demonstration of the process. It really emphasizes how it's a matter of dozens of little steps. Each one nudging things a step closer till the last piece finally slips in and fits! And having the right tools! Thanks Dave. No reply necessary, your time is valuable, just know your appreciated
Watching that large wheel come together really shows the stresses that provide the strength, then compress it all with the tire. I see why these wood wheels can take beating no matter if on a wagon or early truck. I guess this is why trucks stayed with wood wheels for so long in the early days.
How long did the cars have steel wheels before trucks?
As with any craft, its not "if you are going to make mistakes, its how well you correct them". one of the things I love about watching your video's Dave , are all the neat "corrective, and installation tools that have been made and designed to do the task at hand. The spreader, the spoke puller, and so on. those are some of the things I look for in each of your projects. to see what ingenuity was used in the past that is still relevant today. Thanks for the explanations, and the videos and best of all for sharing.
I hate the term "expert"... if I have to define it I say it's the man who can put right his own mistakes! Nice to see you post this... I pride myself on showing my work warts n all, as it's the mistakes that teach us.
BTW. That measuring wheel is beautiful :-)
I make heavy cart wheels here in the uk and I would use 6 fellies to make the wheel up but next time I'll try doing it like you
Once again , you have entertained and educated !! You are an amazing craftsman !! Thank you for allowing me to visit with you every week !!!!
I was taught by a man whose trade was mensuration to try to take all your measurements, whenever possible, from one single starting point to help eliminate cumulative error.
You are just proving you are only human when you make mistakes. I sure would not have caught it. thanks for sharing
Wonderful photos of the beautiful land. I never had a problem working with angels. Hated working with curves. Wagons have plenty. God bless you and keep up the good work.
joenet42567 , no one has a problem working with angels, angles are a different matter!
I've always had a problem working with angels!
Why did you feel that you should reply to my comment? I don't think I said anything wrong. Weather what I said was obvious or not doesn't really matter.
Ok angles. Are you happy now?
Engels is how a quite posh Englishman would say angles..(I wrote angels there as well till I corrected it)
What I always find amazing is that the years of accumulated experience and knowledge of the materials has allowed these crafts to continue under apprenticeship schemes - what happens now is another matter, of course, but I’m just getting old! Thanks Dave, for another great lesson!
You know, my Great Uncle once told me to go find a wheel stretcher. Finally found one.
It's fascinating to watch a process that I didn't know still existed. It appears that a lot of stress is introduced when pulling all of the parts together. Do they relax over time and settle in or do they fight each other until the stresses find a weak spot?
Thank you for sharing this video and for showing us even as all the years you have been making/repairing wheels you two can make mistakes after all that is what makes use human and thank you for another great vlog 😀😀👍👍
Thank you for your kind reply I have learnt so much from watching your videos without them I would probably never would of seen anything like this keep them coming thank you again for showing your vast skills 👍👍😀
I was going to ask a question about this on your latest video (4 years on from this!) but figured you had probably already answered it and here it is. You can only assemble these because the wood is springy I guess. If the spokes and felloe couldn't bend you would never be able to assemble them together like this. It would be a mechanical impossibility. Your stretching bar on the thicker wheel makes that really easy to see.
You really could teach film making as well as wheel making with the way you stop and reposition the camera especially when you are making a point about the the way tasks are accomplished. Thanks again for your efforts to share your many skills in the shop.
Everyone makes mistakes, but only the knowledgeable can recover from it. That is what separates professionals from amateurs.
As always a pleasure to watch a craftsman at work and listen to your calm explanation! Thank you.
kind of like driving a square peg in a round hole you make it look easy my man.
Totally awesome😎😎😎 as always.
No one going to take the spoke out of your wheel🤭
I got it way back how the fellows and spokes had to be manipulated. Whilst not the same sort like replacing bike wheel spokes, you manipulate the spoke length via turning the nipple to accommodate the fixed rim diameter. Always been slightly surprised if using a calculator to use 3.142 and round the result their, not a criticism at all just a bit surprising. Hay ho another excellent day's learning at Mr Engles Coach Shop.
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I so appreciate the craftsmanship I see with every video upload. The specialized tools are absolutely amazing to see. Regardless of the situation, he comes out with a tool to resolve any issue. Decades of trial and error went into developing the tools and procedures he uses. I would appreciate the history of the specialized tool development, at least from the standpoint of his shop! Can you provide this Dave in a future video? Of if I have missed this information, post the link again?
I am so glad he is doing this series so if/when the need arises, someone can fill his shoes. Automated machines aren't always the answer. Thank you.
amazing your ingenuity building and adapting tools and fixtures for your trade
Besides being a great craftsman, your a great tool builder. Love the way you work
Thank you Sir for your craftsmanship.
You set the bar mighty high!
Very much a dance of brute force and finesse to fit the components together.
Good morning Mr Dave, a Sicilian proverb reads. Those who eat bread make breadcrumbs.
a Greeting from Catania
It takes a great man a met you made a mistake. This is why I enjoy watching your videos.
George, And to show how to compensate/cover It.
An other great video from a Master. I enjoy watching you make the wood do what you want it to do.
Such a treat watching your skill at work. Every Friday is like Christmas morning! Thank you.
It's so amazing how many different skill sets are needed to do this kind of work. Woodworker, blacksmith, tool maker, painter, mathematician, upholsterer, fitness instructor, physicist, and so on. Keep up the amazingness!
At a metric system user, I'm amazed at the way you calculate in inches and decimals and then convert back into fractions.
Don’t believe it. The typical American has not the foggiest idea of metric
You Metric users are always dogging us imperial users. Well some of us can function using metric, imperial and decimal. We aren’t all stupid.
@@chrismoody1342 No you are not stupid, but anyone using imperial has to put their brain into overdrive to get the accuracy of those using metric :(
Unbelievable, it’s good you caught it when you did and was able to continue. You did great. Thanks for sharing with us.
AMEN
Mr. Dave, when it comes to mistakes, you have no idea how well you would fit in, pretty normal-like, in my little garage!! :-) :-) Distance errors, are, indeed cumulative!! (Sort of like an old saying I heard... Friends Come and Go, but Enemies Accumulate!) Great video, Thank You!!!!
I’m grateful for the additional explanation
Thank you Mr Engels..... as always i enjoy the videos on Friday. I always like to say that mistakes are there to slow us down and remind us too check it twice. Lol.... keep up diligent steady work. God bless you and enjoy your weekend. 👍👌😎
Another great math lesson Dave. Thank you for sharing, measure twice cut once.
Good night, I'm from Brazil and I love to watch your videos ... your work is amazing .... in the past I've worked with woodwork, metallurgy and I'm delighted with the whim you have with your work. I do not speak English I am using the translator and hope you understand, my congratulations! Good luck!
I still always enjoy watching your videos and seeing your hand made tools and how you use them thanks for sharing your knowledge
Thanks again for another educational and entertaining video. We often mention that you make it look so easy but this video illustrates just how much effort goes into just one facet of your craft. This makes me miss my grandfather the carpenter and craftsman that much more. He did a lot of the work you do but on a smaller scale. Thank you for sharing.
Raise your hand if you want to make a wheel? Not two not four just one! I keep telling myself I don't need one but I can't resist a puzzle no matter the form!
Aaaaah...! that satisfying feeling of seeing a spoke peg slip into that hole in the felloe...I could watch this all day.
I was happy to see this video pop into my feed. In the three or four weeks since I found your channel, it's become one of my favorites. Great content, thank you so much for sharing your work and your methods with us.
You're right it did not look like that last spoke was gonna make it to the wheel let alone actually make it to the hole that I very cool.as usual a very quick show . Thank you I wish I were young enough to take up an apprenticeship with you.
Great video, and explanation. Thanks for sharing
You just know that using the c-clamps to hold down both of the spreader bar ends before starting to hammer comes from having at least one end come loose some time or the other. Thanks for the great video and explanation as always.
EngelsCoachShop
Done something similar myself, that’s why I recognized it right away.
I should have known you could do it. You are amazing. Thanks for sharing. Love the videos.
thanks for a good show. makes my day. hope to see you next week.
Just amazing. Wood is such a versatile raw material. I tried to count the Hammer blows. Lost track of 'em.
Sir, you and your craft are AMAZING!......Thank You , Great Videos!
Love watching your craftsmanship - thanks for sharing another great video, Dave!
Well done showing how the wheels are assembled enjoyed the video this come up in my feeds now new sub
Another great video .
Thanks for posting it .
Great video and explanation. Love to watch you work!
Always enjoy your videos. Many thanks for sharing
again impressiv workmanship. have great weekend Mr Engels
Excellent show! Your craftsmanship is astonishing!
Mr engels, you have patience, skill, finesse, lots of tools and a big hammer (even more then one) and you occasionally play with fire, why aren't there ten young men working with you to be thaught the trade?
You have to work hard, but in my opinion you have a dream job!
The highlight of my Saturday morning is watching your amazing videos , thank you..!..!..!
As always I learned something new watching your videos
Thanks
Amazing work from an AMAZING ARTIST.Thanks for the great work
It is always a pleasure to watch your process, sir. Thank you again.
Concentric circles and straight lines radiating from the centre point. For a moment there I felt like a square peg in a round hole.
so was the initial calculation error a arithmetic one or some subtle difference in an "arc" error.Its hard enough just dealing in horizontal vs slope ,plumb vs perpendicular(rafters and such) .I sometimes have to deal with arcs,radii and chords when we have curved roofs
I have two wagon hubs that were from old wagon wheels since decayed and would like them made new wheels again. Can I send them to you for restoration? If so, how do I go about contacting you? Thank you for being here to show us your great work.
On his website are his details: engelscoachshop.com/contact/
@@beeldhouwerijvanvelzen1533 Thank You!
Fantastic video you are sure right about the carpenter and his mistakes
Absolutely fascinating
As always...great work!
Great spreader. Never seen before.
great job !!
thought i had lost you, such a pieasure to watch you ''TO GET ER DONE " another great and interesting video thank you
Recommend you run your final number back through the calculation to verify your starting number. Good way to check quickly if you messed up before all the work.
Another great video .. thanks..
Diretamente de São Paulo - Brasil. Good job Mr. Engel. Congratulations.
I know some heavy felloes. A few of them are real good guys.
Nice job.
Sensacional as técnicas e ferramentas antigas que você usa, mantendo a tradição da fabricação das carruagens... Impressionante.
Mestre.....the best.
Just amazing
sure glad i am just enjoying watching you only you lost me all the way with numbers thanks dave
Know how vs No How!
Hey Dave. Looks a little touchy but I would definitely like to learn !
How do you connect the fellows? or does the tire hold them in place when you install it? Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the explanation, question ! would it help if you wax lubricated the end of the spokes to help them slide in the rim ?. I really look forward to seeing your videos many thanks for your patience in explaining your process. Best wishes from south Devon in the uk
What determines whether you use multiple felloes or just two bent semi-circles?
...great info. nice vid...
I think about "hammer tracks" of that peening hammer especially on the spokes. Seems a rawhide or urethane mallet would leave slighter tracks. But then it wouldn't have the bounce for short stroke tap-tap of the "blacksmith arm".
When the tires are hot-set, the steam and moisture from hosing down the hot tire bands will probably swell those dents right back out again.
Tops, thank you
Would it help at all getting the felloes on to use a bit of bee's wax on the spoke tenons? Or would it cause problems later?
amazing
Once again I am disappointed that it's over already. Can't wait for next week.
About cumulative error, I heard a story once about the head boss of a building construction crew who got fired for a ¼ inch mistake. If it had been allowed to continue, the building would have fallen over.