SO CLOSE Dell... - Dell XPS 9560
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Today I'm taking a look at the Dell XPS 15 9560. It's completely different than my normal laptops I prefer, but It's $500 now, has some serious specs, and I almost wanted to keep it... almost.
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Had one in college, the battery problems and loud fans always sucked. Still almost nostalgic for it.
I still love my 9650. It runs linux now and is still my daily driver. It's been mostly eclipsed by my desktop now a days but when I do leave the house it's always in my bag. I did upgrade the wifi card though, the killer wireless one it came with was terrible.
My work uses Dells and I miss the ease of opening that era of laptop (we had Precisions that looked the same) and not having to worry about plastic clips feels so nice. I am a bit of a Dell fanboy and got hooked with the G series laptops, so much that I bought 4 of my kids their own lol. I have a Lenovo that I keep trying to find a use for and I end up back on my Dell
Dell fanboy here too. I use the Precision M6800, the best you could get of the 'old style' ones before they started sacrificing repairability, ports, and functionality for what are now essentially stripped-down MacBook Pro clones.
Dell fanboy here too. I love my Precision 5570 and my Precision T3600
@@FlyboyHelosim Unfortunately the ports are lacking on the new Precisions that use the XPS bodies instead of latitudes. However, they still have upgradeable memory and storage, and non-glued batteries, unlike MacBooks. There have been a lot of Dell Precisions in my household (as my dad, brother and I are all software engineers) and there wasn't a single one that wasn't reliable.
I also bought the Dell XPS 15 9560 4k used 18 months ago, I removed the Killer Wifi card as it disconnects too much and installed the Intel AX200 Wifi-6 card, problem solved. I resolved the majority of overheating by cleaning out the fans and then applying new thermal paste on the CPU / GPU plus applying thermal pads to the VRM chips as they get red hot. My rendering times went down 50% after the changes (video on my channel).
Pretty shameless self-promo on channel the same size as yours, but hey it's practical so I'll allow it
I have the 9570 with a 1080p screen, 97wh battery (not 97 kwh like yours 😥) and a 1050 ti. I feel like a lot of the issues you mentioned aren't as prominent even just one generation later. A slightly better gpu, a slightly better processor (6 cores as opposed to 4) and a 1080p screen solve the battery issue, and a lot of the performance issues. The 1080p screen gets brighter too. I agree that the keyboard is only ok though. My fans are also almost completely silent most of the time.
Funnily enough, I was looking at the slightly newer ones, but wanted to keep it in the $400-500 range. I'll most likely revisit the XPS in the future, as I've heard so many amazing things about the newer ones.
@@aChairLegExcept the ports. Usb-c only and no SD card reader
I've had the 1080p version for over 6 years now and I gotta say it's an amazing laptop. I just replaced the battery and battery life is amazing again. (8-12 hours of normal use)
I agree that the soft touch after a while feels sticky and not nice at all so I took mine apart and literally scraped off the soft coating and very lightly sanded it smooth. FYI it is real carbon fiber, that's part of the reason why the deck is so stiff.
All in all I did get a desktop for heavier tasks but as a laptop I still super love it and hope I can get it to last at least a decade but it's well on its way.
Be careful with those. I’ve seen so many of those come through the repair shop I work at with weird power circuit issues and dead GPUs.
no joke this guy has a great energy in his videos
Ok, just for people who want to get the most out of their 9560 wihtout damaging it:
-) The first thing you do once you've opened the laptop is disconneting the battery and removing the residual charges by pressing the power button once more. This CZcamsr was really lucky not to break his 9560 permanently.
-) Remove the remaining old thermal paste/pads using alcohol. aChair Leg didn't clean the CPU properly, hence the overheating (this can easily make a 10°C difference.).
-) Please, don't play at 4K with a mobile GTX 1050. Just don't, trust me.
My ears perked up when you said the display supports the full Adobe RGB spectrum. My pro art display only supports SRGB so I've limited my images to that color spectrum. This thing looks like a great deal for photo editing if you can stay near an outlet.
Yep, it can serve a very specific use case if you need it. This would be perfect for anyone looking to get into more serious photo editing or color grading. Power is on the lower side, but you're really paying for the display and dedicated mobile GPU in my opinion.
I still got one. It costs 2k back then. Battery died 2 times over time and at least it is easy to access and change parts. The display is the best part but the lowest brightness settings is too high and the highest brighness settings is too low (touchscreen layers don't help with reflections and higher brightness would have killed the battery even earlier I guess). You nailed everything about this laptop. The only way to keep the fans shut is to disable the turbo boost. There is a quiet mode in the BIOS and Dell management settings but it basically caps the CPU at 800Mhz...It would be good for writing if there were a good keyboard. Build construction is super solid and it has lasted well so far. Linux support is excellent as is in most XPS laptops.
Finally, using this laptop in the summertime is almost impossible since it starts throttling way earlier and everything starts to be super choppy.
It really is so close to being an amazing laptop. I think a modern XPS with an AMD CPU instead of Intel would be amazing. I noticed mine would have burst temps up to about 90c, but it would only last 30 or so seconds before being limited to 70-80c too, which is somewhat strange IMO.
@@aChairLeg I've used it for almost 5 years then I switched to a Macbook Pro with an M1 pro. The only time it failed me was when the battery died out of the blue. Swapping battery is fairly simple and finding a new one on amazon and eBay was quite inexpensive (for being a 96Wh unit). The 300nits brightness killed me in the office since sun reflections made reading very difficult. You're right when you say that this laptop is thermally constrained, it could definitively perform better and you can see it on sustained loads (Adobe suite, anything that uses the dGPU). I remember doing some Deep Learning training and inference at the time and that poor fans where screaming at me begging to stop. Gaming was possible but limited (no AAA, barely Fifa at 720p). The usb-c port is thunderbolt although is limited bandwidth (it has half the TB3 pcie lanes).
My dad got some Dell XPS's for a good price and I agree on pretty much everything- not a fan of the keyboard, it feels too small for the chassis like its from a smaller model. I think it actually would've benefited from a numpad since it has the space. He got two 1080p models and one 4k non-touch (which he kept) and the biggest difference was the colours, not necessarily the resolution for me. 4k is wasted in a 15" screen.
Maybe I sit way too close to my screen, but the difference between 1080p and 4k was night and day for me. The colors are amazing either way on it, especially for a laptop.
@@aChairLeg See my eyes are terrible, so no advantage for me. I'm currently using a T440p with the lowest 768p panel and the screen crunch is more annoying to me than legibility.
I bought an 9570 new in 2018 with an 8th gen i7 and 1050ti. Since I mostly use it at my desk, the god awful battery isnt much of an issue. Havent really felt the need to upgrade
Thanks for the take. After watching this a few weeks ago I found the same 9560 you have for $350 and Windows 11 pro running solid. Throttling was pretty bad but cleaning the clogged fans and re-pasting with MX-6 and new thermal pads did wonders, Dell Power manager and drivers and the latest BIOS helped battery life and performance but I was still getting thermal throttling at about 80% CPU load until I added Arctic thermal pads to the Voltage regulators to transfer the heat to the case and Now it will run a pretty solid 3.2 GHZ and 100% CPU load without throttling.
It came with a Chinese knock-off battery that shows about 95% capacity but will play YT vdeos for about two hours. I found a real DELL 97wh battery that's about 60% capacity and it runs the same videos for about 4 hours.
BTW, do you have the 130w coaxial power adapter, and if so does it charge? I've tried two older DELL 130w chargers and a chinese knock-off an none will charge. only through the Thunderbolt port.
I understand that you compared the XPS to your ThinkPad as a matter of exposition, but the direct competitors to IBM's offering are really the Dell Latitude and Precision series. Today, the XPS only really has a place as a mid-range MacBook competitor, mainly in terms of looks. The original XPS line-up were chunky, over-the-top, luxury gaming/multimedia laptops... but since Dell's G series and Alienware acquisition, these new slim, modern, soulless XPS models just don't really have a purpose as far as I'm concerned.
The XPS is a competitor with the MacBook Air. If you really need a top level machine, a Thinkpad, ZBook and Precision fill the bill. Consumer grade laptops aren’t in that league.
@@NormanF62 And not all ThinkPads at that.
@@FlyboyHelosim I was thinking about the mobile workstations. Bought mine for $100 in mint condition!
@@NormanF62 I'm glad you made the distinction. Many casual observers assume all ThinkPads are the same.
I have a Precision 5520 and it looks almost exactly the same. It has a 7th gen i7 and the quadro equivalent of a gtx 960m.
I do believe that the cooling system needs a cleaning/repaste. Its a work laptop so I'm not taking it apart. But it sits at 100*C on the cpu with minor load and no gpu load.
But after your *solid gains* with the clean I am even less enticed to.
The screen is nice and the trackpad is quite usable. The battery live is abysmal (1h usually) I run throttle stop to keep the cpu at 2.2 ghz to prevent throttleing. So the cpu is even low wattage.
As you say as well loud fans that never turn off.
Overall its not bad just really wish it had more battery life.
Oh yes also got that 800mhz system crawls for no reason bug.
Really anoying when your trying to do anything time critical for work ant it takes 5+min to open anything.
Another reason why I run throttle stop.
2.2 ghz locked plugged in
1.6 ghz locked on battery
Nice video, but why bother playing games at 4k...? That would bring any system to its knees. You should have scaled down to 1080p, low settings with pretty passable results...
I’m such s sucker for glossy screens I love them especially indoor in the dark only reason why I bought a MacBook was this screen
I must admit it sucks outdoor but anything matte makes me feel demotivated to use it
maybe you just need some new thermal paste, I use a 2014 gaming laptop and noticed a massive boost in performance and quiet when I scraped off the old thermal paste and applied new. It only costs about 6 dollars on amazon so its a worthy investment
In the video I actually took it apart to clean out the fans and apply new thermal paste. I even replaced a missing screw for the heatsink while I was in there.
@@aChairLeg oh how did I miss that?
the palm rest smudges because it’s physically melting. It didn’t do that when it was new.
Interesting. I didn't even know that was possible
@@aChairLeg it's some sort of carbon fiber layer on top that degrades with time especially if you try to clean with common tools.
Curious about your daily driver? Making a lenovo upgrade, and want your thoughts for sub $750 thinkpad. Sounds like you like the t14 and would love to hear your opinions. Recommend ryzen 5/7 over lenovo. lend me your thoughts! Thanks!
I got my t14 for $350ish on a whim and absolutely love it. Has an 8 core ryzen and the battery lasts all day, plus the keyboard is excellent. The gen 1 X1 extreme can sometimes be had in that $700 price range, but I doubt the battery life would be as good. I also don't plan on moving from Ryzen for my laptops unless I absolutely have to.
as a financially challenged dude , im saving money so i can buy at least this old premium laptop as im a long time fan of Dell XPS just can't afford to buy latest brand new models ☺️
I was thinking of buying the slighter newer version, with the 8750h and 1050 TI, mainly because It can have window updates for longer, worth it?
If it's only one or two hundred more dollars, I'd say so!
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First comment too for bonus points
7:00 why do you game using the arrow keys? 😭
You got to in command and conquer, wasd is used for other stuff
Did you do a video on the T14?
I may do a video on it, but haven't so far
I have an old Dell Precision M3800 that looks a lot like this.. you have to dock it to use ethernet
I've never had one of these Dells but I always thought they were good looking machines because of that carbon fiber deck. Now that I've seen your review I'm glad I never purchased one.
They're not bad laptops, just have a lot of compromises to make them what dell wanted. Some of them are weirder than others.
Still rocking one, it’s been my daily driver for years, it’s a hell of a beast.
How many laptops do you have in your collection , if you don't mind me asking ?
Right now I only have the T14 and XPS 15. They generally come and go over time.
Ah dell bad cooling design. here we go again
30fps on gta 5 !? Impossible it should be 100
Oh yes, love this laptop, 0.8GHz super speed CPU. Playing a game and want to switch to other app? Here is your 0.8GHz sir. Basically, if you want to load it with work it will 0.8GHz to you. DELL made wonderful cooling design here, so you will spend your time fixing it. I use mine as hackintosh machine and it has more advantages that way. Can update to ventura, can change amount of ram, ssd and wifi. And without Nvidia GPU i never have 0.8GHz problem. My screen is 1080p. With better cooling, this would be really good machine.
I had to force mine to always run at max clock speed, but even then it would throttle pretty often. They probably had some thickness goal they had to meet and compromised quite a bit for it.
I hate number pads on laptops so so much
Whats your background music?
Justnormal - Turainz
This was an unexpected one! Gotta hand it to dell
I was pretty surprised, I didn't even plan on reviewing one of these, but I got mine for about $400 and was equally surprised and disappointed haha
You have a quad core and all that power is seriously wasted! If you’re not into doing demanding tasks and playing intensive video:games, a dual core is fine 90% of the time and it runs cooler.
This laptop is really meant for content creation IMO and for that, a quad core is the bare minimum.
Budget ?? Okay
ive only been disappointed by dell laptops, bad keyboard, bad screen outside of resolution, bad dgpu(completely pointless for use) 1 stick of ram, bad opening experience, worse than lenovo at least. dell devices have no reason to be used in my house.
Dude Get a new laptop/MacBooks
So gift it dell laptop for me if yoy dont like
Could this run windows 11?
No it can’t sadly