Laser TV vs TV - Can A Laser TV Replace a Real TV?
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After spending the last few months testing Laser TV models in my living room I figured I'd give you my thoughts on what it's like to live with a laser TV in place of a traditional TV. Although I've had the opportunity to test laser TVs like the Epson LS500, BenQ V7050i, Optoma P2, Vava Chroma, LG HU85LA, Hisense L9G, and Samsung LSP9T, I ended up sticking with the Hisense L9G. The Hisense worked the best for me considering its brightness and gaming capabilities but can it really replace a TV?
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0:00 Introduction
0:19 Ad
1:27 Initial Thoughts
2:25 Laser Benefits: Size
3:13 Laser Benefits: Cost
4:06 Laser Benefits: Portability
4:29 Laser Benefits: Sound
4:55 TV Benefits: Brightness
5:30 TV Benefits: Black Levels
6:17 TV Benefits: Room Space
7:06 TV Benefits: Gaming
7:49 Final Thoughts
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Hi, what game is this? 7:17 ? Thanks
Recently wanted to get into home theater and found this channel. I’m surprised I’ve never had it pop up on my feed since I’m always watching tech related videos. This channel is informative, entertaining, and doesn’t skip over and important details. I’ve learned so much about home theater from here. I feel like this channel is under the radar and deserves even more subscribers. Keep up the great content 👍
The more I hear about Lazer TVs the more I feel they'd be perfect for my basement. Now to save up the moolah.
Just found your channel not too long ago and I get more questions answered in a 7 min video than the time it takes to find someone in the store that only has half a clue of what they're talking about. Thank you, keep the videos coming. You're my guy when it comes to home entertainment. Take it easy.
Hey @Chris Majestic, great video again! You really nailed all of the points regarding replacing a living room flat panel TV with a Laser TV. Hisense REALLY did a great job on their L9G and I can't wait to see it in person.
Much like you, I end up watching things on my projector setup just to watch something on my projector setup as well since I love the immersiveness. I've gone down several "4K HDR Nature" CZcams black holes as a result and you end up wondering where the time went. lol.
I wonder how well the VividStorm screen would work with this projector in the well lit livingroom since it seems to do better than most in ambient light.
Keep up the great work. I always look forward to your video reviews of projectors/UST/Laser TVs.
Dude, I have been banging my head against a wall for the last 2 months wondering when you will release a video like this. I really wanted to hear your opinion on the topic. Thank you!!!
Couldn’t have explained it better, agree 100% with what you said, I own a l5g 120 inch Hisense and I LOVE it, only downside is that you do have to place it on a room with low ambient light , something similar to the ambient of a romantic restaurant in order for the image to look great, do not buy if you have a lot of ambient light, get a tv instead , but if you manage to have a semi dark room , the ultra short throw is a no brainer, image quality and the huge dimensions is pure dopamine.
After watching your Videos , I decided to get a Short throw projector , I have the Epson LS300 with the klipsch audio system works with 100 " screen , I love it and I am happy I found your CZcams channel
Great info! Would definitely consider one for my basement space.
Though, I had to chuckle when you said the LG C1 is an entry level oled. It's their latest oled with the C1 being the highest behind the G1, with the A1 and B1 behind it. Even then I'd consider the Vizio H-1 as an entry level oled.
LG CX/10
Thanks much Chris for the compare. Counting the days to my VAVA Chroma!
Bought the hisense l5 based on ur video .. it’s in my great room with crazy amount of light .. love it .. moved my 82 Samsung to the back deck .. haven’t watched the 82 in ages as u said I find excuses to watch the L5
I've had one of the first Optoma P1's and an ALR screen for a couple years now. We love it.
Thanks, I definitely was curious of this topic bro.
Great content I been watching for a while, 1 request is it possible for you to show more examples of these projectors outside
been waiting for this video! thanks
For normal living room situations, an 86" TV for a couple of grand is the best option.
My 100” blows away my 82”
This is a great question I needed answered
As always, excellent video. I'm looking to replace my few years old JVC projector with one of these UST projectors and wondering what would your recommendation be? I plan on using it for Xbox and Ps5 gaming and occasional movie watching. It will be installed in a completely dark room.
Great video mate, some very good points there.
First off, thanks for a great channel and all the work you put into it!! In my opinion, you have the best channel going in this segment. Secondly, I am in the process of building a Mancave/Sports Bar at my home. I will have 100% light control, and I plan on having some dimmed lights on while we are in there enjoying the cave. The screen will likely be used mostly for sports when entertaining. I do plan on sitting in there with the family to watch movies as well, for which all the lights will be off. I will be painting with flat, dark colors. The dimensions of my room are 20' x 52'. I am planning on putting the screen on one of the 20' walls. Do you have a recommended combination of screen type/color along with a projector for my application? I am thinking the Cinegrey 5D 135" to handle the ambient dimmed lights, and looking at so many projectors that I'm overwhelmed. Thanks in advance for any advice and for a great channel!
Would a laser standard/long throw projector be a better choice if you have the space for the throw?
More focused on the budget and brightness, but I'm wondering if the longer throw will effect daily use in ambient lit rooms even if the ANSI Lumens noted are higher than the UST priced equivalent
Say the Optoma GTR1090HDR (4200 ANSI Lumens) vs any of the ~2k USTs (~2700 ANSI Lumens)?
Wow so epic. I am from the era of big back TV sets.very outstanding.
The Elite Screen Ambient Light Absorbing screen is the best, in full room light it is almost like an OLED screen and with sunlight coming in it varies but I put in a corner that hardly gets any light and then it really excels in the dark.
I’d be really interested to see the living room performance with a Fresnel screen! Please test and compare for us!
Great info as always Chris! You be the man. ^^
yooo i like your videos i watch them over and over bcus u really give good info man and i would like to say for your next videos about a laser projector can you compare it wit a regular 4k tv like a walmart 4k tv input lags and all that ?
@Chris Majestic, Unless I missed it, though I've searched around, I do not see where you perhaps compared the Xgimi Aura to the other Laser TV's that you've been discussing, it looks like based on what Ive been able to find a pretty good deal at $2499 for up to 150", that on your list to eventually look at?
Thanks for the great video :) What about lamp life and cost?
To be fair, OLED's don't hold up in really bright rooms either. Seems to me laser becomes a really compelling option when you are looking to step up above the 85 inch size category. I'm running an 85 inch Sony X90H and my next TV purchase will really come down to cost parity between OLED and laser a couple years from now. The 85-in size is pretty much perfect since we sit about 10 ft away, but the L9G with the Cinema screen does look mighty tempting!
85" is far too small for 10 feet. That is 32 degrees of viewing angle versus the recommended 40 degrees.
Thanks Chris, super helpful!!
Just picked up deal on the jmgo 01 for my bedroom. At under $800 for 90" image . It great for night time on light colored wall or white screen otherwise a proper UST screen.
i have sony AF8 65" for the normal days, and when i need i take the magic: vividstorm alr electric 120" and samsung LSP9T ...now i am in a perfect state! :D
How are the black levels on the Samsung in a darkened room?
In my living room we have a 75 inch tv in my room i have the optoma laser projector but set up for a projector is tough especially since I’m not the richest person and they create a lot of heat so if you a small room it can make quite hot in there finding the right height and screen is center and good is very hard
Thanks for the info.
I would love to try one of these but I think my heart will always be with top premium LED TVs for the living room.
Great straightforward review…well done mate…
Hey Chris! What LED kit are you using on the back of your screens? I see they follow the colors on the outside edge. I'm looking to do something like that. Thanks!!
Laser TVs have the size battle won...and you HAVE to imagine that the gap between "the best image an OLED can produce" vs "The best image a laser TV can produce" is only going to narrow with time.
I mean...the human eye can only actively see and appreciate SO MUCH quality...I think we are very much reaching the point where these upper-tier displays are fighting for very small percentage points in visible quality difference, if not less than a percentage point.
Crystal clear as with all your videos! Thanks and I will stick with my OLED for now :)
CZcams has been keeping you secret from me. I needed your last 3 vids. Very impressive well done sir.
Thanks for the video!
Hey Chris how far down would you mount the top of a 120” screen on a 96” tall wall for one of these short throw lasers? I’ve got a room over my garage that has a wall that tapers on the left and right but I have 90” across the wall at the ceiling and I want to put the screen on. If I use a 100” screen the width is 90”+/- if I use a 120” screen I’d need to drop it down to get the approximately 104”+/- screen. What do you think. Also can you give me your affiliate links for the best laser and the best screen. I’m not concerned about the $$ (within reason)I want maximum performance. Thanks
Thank you for making awesome videos like this one.
Please review the XGIMI 4k led projector too. Thanks !
One pro for laser tv projectors vs large led tv is that projectors are better for your eyes. Less blue light.
I have bin eyeing the optoma uhz50 or the lg hu810pw. Any thoughts? Not sure if the uhz50 is really out yet. Looking forward to reviews for it.
Would the Hisense 88L5VG (88 inch version) be an overkill to view from 3 meters away? What is the recommended distance for something that big?
Hi. Great videos. How are projector screens with kids. We have two young kids and I worry one hand on it and it’s destroyed. Any advice appreciated.
I have the L9G but my image on white text bleeds blue and red. I haven't fully calibrated the projector to the screen but I don't think it will help remove the edge effect. Is this normal or is this a defect?
Any plans for reviews on Sony projector screens? Specifically compared to best ultra short throw would be great !
What would be better for a “cinema” room for 100-130 inch room? A projector or a laser tv?
I don’t know bro. My 77 inches LG C1 begs to differ.
But in opinion of this dude its an entry oled tv lol xD
Which lazer UST projector would you recommend for dual movie and game use on a Vividstorm screen in a light controlled room?
I can't wait to experience this with the family and friends. Looks cool asf
Hi Chris... another great little vid! Just wondered if the Nord VPN discount deal is only for USA or does it cover Europe too. Cheers
Can you mount the laser TV on the ceiling to save space?
Picked up the Hisense 100L5F in July as it is the only tv in my home and honestly can't go back to smaller screen now. Just hoping the technology for these UST's can get better in regards to black level as it would really help to eliminate the blacks turning to grey because of their brightness when I eventually upgrade.
Also hoping the set up gets easier as honestly I almost returned the laser tv because setting up the projector itself took several hours to align to the screen and was an exercise in frustration. Would like the picture to just snap in place with some sort of variable adjustments as having a fixed focus and constantly making adjustments to the legs was irritating.
I so much looove the thoughts of a big larger than life sized laser TV... BUT, all the issues you've just perfectly outlined are the exact reasons I think I'm just gonna upgrade to an 85" Samsung Tv... The OLED TV is even cheaper too. I'd perhaps get into the projector space when I'm able to build a full dedicated Cinema room at my home.
I'm too clumsy not to accidentally push the projector anytime I'm cleaning the console it's mounted on.... 😒 Already exasperated by the thoughts of it, I know I'm way too impatient to be willing to recalibrate the projector and screen setup every time it accidentally shifts 🙄
It depends, I have been using Samsung FHD 32" TV and FHD projector with 120" screen for the past 12(TV) 9(Projector) years. I watch movies and play games on the projector with some TV Shows as well. And I used my TV for normal things like internet, TV Shows, youtubing, 3d modeling/rendering, designing etc. Both of them were close in brightness, colors, contrast and detail, etc in the favor of TV.
Now while i am waiting for my 4k laser long throw projector (LG HU810p - 3000USD), because i don't wanna be limited by getting a short throw projector, which I'll be getting in Feb or March next year I replaced my TV with Samsung's 50" 4k HDR curved Smart TV and have been using for the past couple of months now. The black levels on the TV are so great and every time a black screen appears when scene (in the movies/shows/games) changes It seems like that TV is turned off. The black scenes look so realistic and not to mention the TV is very very bright. The sharpness and the colors everything is so great that I stopped using my FHD projector after watching couple of movies and not enjoying because of getting spoiled by my 4k tv so I've been adding all the content I'd like to watch on the projector for my new 4k projector and it includes the games as well.
While I am looking forward to my projector but I don't think it will come close to my 4k TV, and the ones who can match it are very expensive. Since I am very lenient and I know the black levels of LG HU810p are average, i won't have any problems because I love bigger display more even If it costs me deeper blacks. And my media room is very dark so I think I will make few adjustments to get the better black levels.
But yeah right now a laser projector can't replace the TV unless you can afford 10,000+ $ to Sony's new 80000$ 10,000 lumes 4k laser projector.
Yes, i think OLED TV is still preferable, i just want to see it with my own eyes to decide what to buy to.
85" and 120" display size comparison as well. I guess after that i'll decide what to buy.
Samsung Neo QLED is damn impressive as well on 85" display
Can you buy the hisense without the screen? I'd like to get the vividstorm rising screen, but I don't see the hisense available anywhere without the screen. Thinking of going with Samsung if not. Thanks
How about light rejection screen? Does these solve some problems? What about a xiaomi projector? That can lower the price significantly? Does it look much worse?
When are you gonna review the XGIMI AURA short throw projector???
Dear Sir, There is no review of the OSD that would assist visually impaired people [VIP].
what about a frame around the projected screen so you don't have to blackout your entire room?
Hi great review can i use it with a 120 " transparent scope screen thx
Do you know anything about the ommc ultra short throw projector on Amazon?
Hey Chris! I bought the Hiesense L9G 120 inch all because of your fantastic reviews on it. I absolutly love it BUT what settings do you use for movies? I find very little information on suggested settings for it. Thanks!
I didn't note all of my settings bou could get away with Theater Day as an easy all around profile if you don't have much ambient light. It doesn't require much tweaking. If your room is bright then you can switch to Standard Mode and turn down the saturation a bit.
@@ChrisMajestic Thanks Chris! You are right about that! Thanks for responding! :)
@@ChrisMajestic
Theater Day is a great compromise for all content! Thx
I've had several top brand tv's, but since I bought my projector. It's no contest!
I have seen lot of your videos, great content. I have a dedicated basement space with onkyo Dolby Atmos surround sound and 65 inch tv. I want to upgrade my screen. The screen wall is appx 100 inch wide, so i can only use 100 inch screen, since Hisense l9g 120 inch requires >118 inch wide wall. Now, I am thinking if I should go for 85 inch tv instead of 100 inch laser tv. What are your thoughts
thank you for this. Making the dive in laser projectors. I'm pretty set on it and this is the extra nudge. =)
What to do...what to do. Christmas is coming up and I have been a good boy this year :)
what would you prefer 83" C2 LG or 100" Laser front projector for a basement movie theater with complete light control
But cost for most proper set ups, if your doing a fixed 100" setup , I'd take a 85-86" tv for living rooms for quality. They definitely make sense for 120" + to go laser TV.
But yes I'll take large projector screen over OLED blacks all day too.
My living room is 20x18 the 100” screen is perfect .. I have klipsch in walls on each side about 1.5 foot off the screen it’s perfect
@@doug350zTT what your viewing distance? Cause I'd probably have went bigger with a good ceiling mounted projector and Acoustic Transparent ALR screen...
@@doug350zTT but yes it works for some people. Just cost for quality it's there... If your fine with cost for size and lose quality. Then that is fine too. It's just a matter of understanding what you get for what you pay 😉
@@MrSuperman258401 13ft from the screen .. original plan was 120 but wife.. SMH but the 100 has been perfect .. at first I had an 82” Samsung I moved it to the back deck.. traditional projector is in the theatre room prob wouldn’t work in this bright room and the 100 is an ALR screen
@@MrSuperman258401 you should really see the l5 with the ALR screen as Chris says it’s really amazing especially in bright rooms .. videos don’t do it justice
Just got me an Epson LS100 Home Cinema for $1250, came with a 2021 Apple TV 4k, and only had 400hrs on the laser usage. We are very happy with the 4k lumens it produces because we can see it with all the blinds open in the living room. Just look out there for good deals and I recommend these laser projectors for big screens anywhere.
U know u could of got the hisense L5 2020 for 450 more on ebay.
@@Chris-is-awesome I would have passed on that Hisense since it's only 2700 lumens compared to my Epson at 4000.
The Hisense L5 is far superior… the Epson LS100 isn’t 4K
the lasers could take some notes from the CRT's of years passed, shooting the lasers from the rear onto a surface comprised of phosphors could cause the phosphors to glow and allow us to look at a screen that is illuminating light itself, instead of a screen with light being shot ontop of it. That would allow for near perfect darks and great contrast, anyone who still has a crt today can back that claim up
Awesome video once again.
Between lsp9t and l9g which one will you choose for a light controlled room? I have the sony a80j 77”, so which of these will get me close to the picture quality I am used to. Also can you suggest me a 120” screen for the ust? Thanks in advance
I was looking on ebay, used 3300 ansi projectors for around $200, not too bad. Not a lazer TV, but it's worth noting if you are on a budget and looking for a projector.
I have a question for you after all the talk of black levels.
How do consumer projectors and TVs compare to cinema (movie theatre) black levels?
I guess if we are happy to pay for a movie ticket and not complain about cinema black it would seams a fair comparison. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing
Epson eh-ls12000b or any other long throw laser projector Vs TV ?
bigger screen is essentially all that matters, you can work around or adjust the image quality, its not that big of a deal
@Chris,
Nobody seems to post about the Optoma Cinemax P2 anymore. We're moving into our new home next month and I plan on pairing it with an Slate .08 Screen Innovations screen. The P2 went from product of the year to zero meantions at all.
So many new products came out after the p2 that it sort of got buried. My only real issue with the p2 is focus uniformity. It's just not as sharp across the entire screen as other USTs. It's still a great projector for the money though.
@@ChrisMajestic thanks.
@@ChrisMajestic Yes. Agree here as well. Just got one from Amazon first thing I noticed is poor focus uniformity as well as the image just was not straight at the top, all curvy. Its not a bad projector as far as image quality itself but for the money I certainly wouldn't keep it considering what else is out there.
How does it show in daylight comparet to oled tv ?
Which is more energy efficient, laser or 3LCD?
Bro is going full throttle on that Laser TV term. It's a projector my guy.
I know right... why use wrong terms just because "it feels like"!!?
Another important point that was not mentioned is that once you reach the end of the laser's lifespan, that's it, there is no replacing it. If you have your TV on all day for the kids and all night for yourself the end will come quicker than you would expect like 5 years. I purchased the Epson LS10000 for 8,000.00 CDN when it came out, 4 or 5 years later (20,000 hours) on high brightness it's an expensive paperweight, just last month when I enquired about a laser replacement I was told it would cost 16,000.00 CDN. Still looking for a replacement for it but if it was using bulbs I could still be enjoying it. Hoping the manufacturers come out with a reasonable laser replacement cost in the future.
That’s 4-5 years of 24hr/day tv. I feel like I watch plenty between binging series, CZcams and movies…but if you watch 6 hours per day you’re looking at 16-20 years!!! I feel like tech specs has made me want to upgrade my VAVA after 2 years.
I have to think that after 5 years most people would be ready and willing to finally make an upgrade...considering how rapidly technology advances.
@@creategreatness8823 Hell yeah, I did even after 3 years, but the point here is you will get "nothing" for a spent laser projector where you could re-sell a bulb projector.
@@studlygoorite5955 Fair enough, I never think about re-selling anything in that way. Eventually, something is so old and outdated I imagine what little you would get for it wouldn't be worth the trouble of trying to find a buyer and make the sell...especially since most prospective buyers might just be looking to buy something new anyway,
Have a chance to look at the final version of the VAVA Chroma?
I Second this question.
It did in my housee. 110", not going back.
(Vava UST with an EluneVision Reference 110" 8K Ultra Short Throw NanoEdge Projection Screen)
When you said 135 inch tv, I subscribed lol
. What about heat ,fan noise and Laser Caution. On those models shown?
Still trying to figure out which way to go with all of the latest tv tech. Samsung has probably the best options and an 85" is around $4.5k. But they also have 120FPS and superb black levels. 60FPS gaming is too old to be useful. This is a projector for movie room setups.
EPSON LS500 brightness seems like it should have gotten a mention here.... even though you don’t like it for the protruding top. It’s the brightest in this range...
It was certainly bright but the throw is just way too high for most people. It also has the lowest resolution.
Are there any laser projector that support hdmi 2.1, VRR, and 120hz?
The closest thing is the Hisense L9G which supports HDMI 2.1 and 120hz but it doesn't have VRR and doesn't support 4K 120fps. I don't think any DLP projectors will be capable of VRR.
@@ChrisMajestic Ohy that’s a bummer! Good to know though. Thank you!
Thank you SUPER video from you. "All thumbs up" 👍👍👍
Another con of these laser TVs IMO is the non-replaceable lightsource. With an average of 20,000 hours the lifespan of these laser projectors is only about one-fifth that of a TV. Sure that's a lot of hours but we are talking about replacing a living room TV here not a dedicated home theater setup. Plenty of people have their living room TV on from the time they get home till the time they go to bed at night whether they're seriously watching it or not. I often have my TV on just in the background while doing housework etc. On the weekend this might mean it's on all day and all night and those hours will rack up quick in this situation. For this reason I personally prefer a standard projector setup with an ambient light rejecting. Just choose a projector in the 3000 lumens range and the results should be similar to these laser TV's. I have an Epson 5030UB that I purchased about 8 years ago and it's still going strong. I really wish there was an indicator in the menu that would tell me the total number of hours it has on it because I can tell you it's a lot.
Actually they are fixable and 20,000 hours based on 8 hours a day is around 7 years.
Great info! What is the relative viewing distance for an 80” OLED vs Laser TVs?
What about power consumption?
You could have 120 to 200 inch theater In your basement or other room if you have the room. Their is No OLED even close to that. I have my own Theater . I have a 65 and a projector
I'd be interested to know how do these UST projectors look on a darker/grey screen? And how does it compare to an LCD/LED in terms of black levels? (comparisons to OLED are a waste of time imo)
My primary reason to go the projector route is 3D since there are sadly no 3D TVs being produced these days.
A really good UST projector (Fengmi T1) has a contrast of about 3200:1. An IPS panel (on your laptop for example) has a contrast of 1000:1, a VA-panel TV has a typical contrast of 5000:1, so it's in between IPS and VA in terms of black level.
@@deurkl Thanks David, that's actually very useful! 👍🏻
can't believe you mounted your TV over the firplace lol
Does the Hisense support 60 FPS for gaming?