The Marlins' chance to spoil Roger Clemens' Yankees farewell needs a deep rewind
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- This is a weird matchup in several ways. In the 2003 World Series, we've got the historic, big-money, championship-laden New York Yankees against the brand-new, super-young, cheap-o Florida Marlins. Well into extra innings of Game 4, the people deciding the outcome of this game are a flamed-out, down-on-his-luck Yankees pitcher and a batter in an unbelievably deep postseason slump.
It's a weird one, but this is a critical moment in the rather opposite history of two franchises. Let's rewind!
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The 2003 Marlins, a team Secret Base did a previous feature on “how the Marlins accidentally won another World Series in the middle of falling apart”
And also the last team that Barry Bonds ever played a playoff game against.
When the Marlins are good, they just go and win the whole thing, lol! They don't waste any time!
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The other part is how SB NEVER does a story on a Winning Yankees team. You'd think they'd have done SOMETHING by now on the 90's Yankees, Bucky Dent, and the 1978 historic comeback, Reggie and the Three Straight homers in a clinching game six win over the Dodgers in 1977. But....... crickets.
@@veritasinvicta8128 have you not been paying attention to their channel? Their most extensive documentaries are about the Mariners, Falcons, and now Vikings... 0 total championships and the Mariners (my favorite team as a child) are the only MLB team to never play in the World Series
The only World Series I never saw. I was in Naval Boot Camp at the time. When the division commander said "for those of you from Miami....the Marlins just won the World Series." He looked right at me. I was in such a happy shock. Then when I found out it was against the Yankees, I was even more amazed.
My god this is such a core memory for me. This was the most baseball I can possibly imagine experiencing. Every single Massachusetts city and town absolutely lived and died with every moment. They made announcements about it on the high school PA system. Surreal.
‘03 and ‘04 really sum up the 21st century Red Sox fan experience. Plumbing the depths of heartache and the absolute limits of euphoria in back-to-back years.
I remember it being a big deal, but we didn't have it announced over the PA
My Massachusetts HS didn't announce scores over the PA...although we weren't in school at 11PM when the games were on either 😂
To your point tho OP, it was all we (the students) talked about in class, in the halls, at lunch, after school...
When I lived in NH I used to love tuning into Boston sports radio for the spiciest takes from people with the thickest accents
Not for me. The absolute gut-punch, kick-to-the-face of Aaron Boone just before this ended my 2003 baseball season. I couldn't stomach any more.
My favorite thing about watching old highlights from Fox is the sound effect when someone scores or the score goes away. Need more of that
Very 2000s thing to have mechanical/electrical soundbytes for every single transition because Matrix or whatever
That did jar a few memories loose
Amazing Marlin moment and, Joe Buck? Correct...? with an absolute "o this happened" HR Walk-off call lol
lol yup. everyone who's ever worked on a Rewinder has had the "how do we make the final moment pop despite the fact that Joe Buck is calling it like it's a funeral" conversation
@@SecretBaseSBN 🤣🤣🤣🤣!! He must have been pulling for the Yankees 🤣🤣
Early 2000s Joe Buck was absolutely awful. He wanted to be like Pat Summerall, and it failed miserably.
@@SecretBaseSBNugh he’s so blatantly biased lol
@@cow4094 no he wasn't dude. listen to his call of the Aaron Boone Game 7 2003 ALCS walk off home run
As a South Florida native, the Marlins were the first professional sports team I ever rooted for. I was too young to realize how little the rest of the baseball world cares about us, and how horrible ownership has handled the team. But it really makes me happy we can look back at '97 and '03 as our years. Most baseball fans (and even our own organization) may forget those years happened, but die hard Marlins fans like me will always cherish them. I sure hope things improve for us in the coming years and we can become a more respectable franchise.
There are 'die hard' Marlins fans - almost LMAO but I'll believe ya...
@@billmcg1676don’t confuse empty seats for disloyalty. Miami isn’t going to line the pockets of any ownership until they can show us they actually intend to win for years to come.
Imagine having not one but two World Series wins and not once but twice having those rosters gutted for parts by greedy ownership. You’d be slow to trust again as well. 😢
Also, forcing tax payers to finance that ugly ass field over the grave of the Orange Bowl didn’t do the team any favors either.
@@Jorges2jorges Hi Jorge, I hear ya! I meant my comment as a joke. Coolest thing ever was taking down the Yankees after you dispatched my Cubbies in the WS. I root for the Cubs and any team playing the Yankees. I know the fire sales after '97 and '03. Good to know there are Marlins die hards out there.
@@billmcg1676 To this day I’m convinced the only reason Derek Jeter bought an ownership share of the Miami Marlins was to exact a level of revenge against the club for winning the ‘03 World Series in game 6. The last World Series game ever played at the old Yankee stadium.
Fast Forward to 2023…he’s sold his shares and Giancarlo Stanton is wearing pinstripes. 😂
The 2003 marlins season felt like it was written. Something movies are made of. Low attendance, bad reputation, mediocre record; then boom. The train came chugging and it never stopped with ridiculous clutch moments. It was a dream. Having watched 5 years of dismal play, when they won It all, it felt like christmas morning as a little kid. Ill never forget.
Same. Will forever be my all time favorite team. Seeing my Fish back in October baseball has given me that sense of hope again.
Maybe we’ll see the Red Sox do it this year 😅
Marlins were only "dismal" in 1998 and 1999, especially in 1998, due to rebuilding
But the Marlins were a competitive team in 2000-2001-2002, but they just finished with barely losing records those 3 seasons.
Marlins were expected to compete entering the 2003 season
Its just that when people thought of the Marlins in 2003, people were still thinking of the Marlins like if they were still in their horrendous 1998-1999 post-fire-sale rebuilding mode
Also, Marlins in 2003 were the "cinderella" that no one wanted outside of Marlins fans
Fun fact about that Jeff Weaver trade: one of the prospects sent to the Tigers in that trade was Brandon Weeden. Yes the former QB for the Cleveland Browns.
Interesting wow lol
Rewinder: the miracle of Istanbul
Rewinder: game 6, 1985
Rewinder: 2010 World Cup final
Rewinder: David wright’s home run in the WBC
Rewinder: Mario chalmers game tying shot in the 2008 championship
Untitled: Ted Williams
Untitled: Marcel Dionne
Untitled: pavel Bure
Untitled: pat Lafontaine
Untitled: Johan Cruyff in the World Cup
Beef history: the derby of the eternal enemies, panathinaikos vs olympiacos
Beef history: the old firm, rangers vs Celtic
Untitled: Arsene Wenger as a manager in the champions league
Beef history: George Steinbrenner vs pretty much everyone that worked and played for him
Beef history: Reggie Jackson vs Billy Martin
Collapse: how the Buffalo bills went from 4 straight Super Bowl appearances to rock bottom for 2 decades
Collapse: how the Montreal Canadiens failed to reach sniffing distance of lord Stanley for 28 years
Collapse: how the Montreal expos went from World Series favorites in ‘94 to having a strike ruin everything
Collapse: how the 1980s New York islanders went from one of the greatest dynasties in NHL history to near bankruptcy
Collapse: how Arsenal went from the “Invincibles” to 10 in the standings
Collapse: how Leicester City went from being underdog premier league champions to right back where they started
All of these, please
Beef History: Steinbrenner vs Costanza
That last one got me messed up as a Leicester city fan. 🥲
Rewinder: Hungary - Iceland, last seconds of the quarterfinal of the 2012 Summer Olympics Men's Handball Tournament (well, the last seconds of regulation anyway)
All of these plus these two:
Rewinder: Jolbert Cabrera completes the greatest single game comeback in MLB history (Cleveland Indians vs Seattle Mariners 2001)
Untitled: Jim Thome
The foreshadowing of the short left field fence was clever
The script has it written as a foreshadow moment; But it was so well delivered it was fiveshadowing.
Even when I know the story, I love to hear them tell it. Great job as always SB.
I love all these World Series Rewinders. Next one has to be the 1991 World Series. There’s just way too many storylines. Both last place teams year prior, beginning of Braves Dynasty/End of Twins Dynasty, Games 6 and 7, and all the walk-offs. It would be a great video with plenty to talk about
It is still too soon. 😢😢😢
Twins dynasty? Lol what?
@@hennylo68 fr
The Twins had a dynasty? '87 and '91... not a dynasty... a cup of coffee
Just the Game 7 alone
I was today years old when I found out the 2003 NLCS had shortstops on both teams named Alex Gonzalez.
The way you set up early in the video with the comments about the '97 World Series sign and the short wall in left were just perfection. Well done on this one :)
After watching my Sox get our hearts broken I was never happier to see another team win a World Series.
Reminder that Jeffery Loria blew this team up after winning the Fall Classic by complete accident. Some people are dumb, others are idiots and then there’s Jeffery Loria.
Actually, the Marlins front office did not do a firesale after this 2003 season. In fact, the Marlins front office added pieces to try to win in 2004 and 2005. Both 2004 and 2005, the Marlins were in postseason contention entering September.
It was after the 2005 season that the Marlins did the firesale. And ironically, the Marlins were in postseason contention entering September in the 2006 season.
The only three moves that the Marlins made to cut salary (and they were big moves) that were notable, was trading Derek Lee to the Cubs for Hee Seop Choi after the 2003 season, not resigning Pudge after the 2003 season, and not resigning Armando Benitez after the 2004 season. But asides from those 3 moves, they kept winning teams for the 2004 and 2005 seasons and were competitive.
In 1998, the TV ended up on a Marlins game, and my naive 4 year old brain said “I’m in love.” Gosh, that team was horrible. By 2003, I was watching as many regular season games as I could, including the Miguel Cabrera walk off. I knew somehow that magic was going to happen. Maybe that was my 9 year old naivety talking.
Everything about this run was magical to watch, and I love how SB captured every important moment. Reliving that time through this episode was an absolute delight!
It's taken 20 years for that squad to get proper recognition.
Beef History: Lindros vs Flyers Organization
Overlap: Greatest College Football Coach (Saban) and the Greatest NFL Coach (Belichick) coaching in the same division
Untitled: Ken Griffey Junior
Rewinder: 2006 Orange Bowl 3OTs
Untitled: Jim Kelly
Collapse: Early 90s Bills
Untitled: Red Sox Players (particular Yaz)
Prism: Steph Curry and all those mid major players
Rewinder: The Catch By Willie
Rewinder: Hank Aaron and Bonds breaking the respective HR record
Untitled: Don Nelson
Miggys at bat against the Rocket deserves its own rewind
This was my first sports moment I will always remember. Staying up late with my dad we had just left miami a couple years ago...I still love the MARLINS. Hopefully we can make the wild card this year
One of the best rewinders I've seen, and I know nearly nothing about baseball.
But man, when that ball flew right past that World Series banner... I had such a grin on my face. You guys did it again. Bravo!
We need a rewinder on Super Bowl 32: the end of the NFC’s 13 year SB dominance
Man I remember the at bat where Clemens threw hi and in to a very young Miggy Cabrera and the look Miggy gave him before preceding to take him deep to the opposite field.
What a game. I live in Miami as a Yankee fan and have the Fish as my NL team and this Marlin team was special. I was rooting for the Yankees but was happy for this young team that came out of nowhere. 2000's baseball was so damn good.
God damn I love Seth's commentary.
Joe Buck calling it like it’s a snail race.
Wow, crazy to think your Marlins Collapse video was the first I ever saw on this channel. Great content as always!
Im so happy secret base is getting bigger sponsors this channel deserves all of it
The foreshadowing on the short left field porch - epic.
"Man, that corner is low for right handers. Anyway"
That kids, is what we call foreshadowing.
Almost 20 years later, the Marlins have a chance to make a normal playoffs for the first time since, and for the very first time as the Miami Marlins
That would end the longest drought in sports, sans the pandemic year 🙏
Love to see the 03 Fish and the 03 World Series get a little attention. Great memories as a young Miami fan.
5:26, it was actually not a Pudge Rodriguez walk off, it was capped off by an outfield assist by Jeff Conine, and stands as the only time a postseason series has ended with the potential tying run being thrown out at the plate
Yeah, thats the game 4 picture but he did have a clutch walk off game 3 hit as well.
Thanks for uploading
I really miss the Seth's Rewinder. Thank you so much
As a Red Sox fan in 2003, I loved Jeff Weaver
That was a great and fun team. I Really enjoyed that run to the championship! crazy its been 20 years!
I loves this Series, because I love random underdog moments like this, and so naturally this is one of my favorite games ever.
However, the fact that you somehow managed to do a "deep dive" on this game, without mentioning the relief performance by Braden Looper, which is - in my expert opinion as a longtime aficionado of "absolutely no one remembers this moment" moments - one of the most amazing "forgotten not-terribly-good ex-closer gets tossed into a completely impossible situation with the entire season on the line, and proceeds to pull off one of the greatest random 'holds' in bullpen history" stories that MLB has ever produced . . . man, I don't know.
I liked this video, don't get me wrong. But you really left something on the table with that one. I'm just saying.
So we talk about Steve Bartman BUT not about the Alex Gonzalez error?
The Bartman play is by far the more remembered. And they may not have wanted to bring another Alex Gonzalez into it.
There is a scene in The Bear Season 2 where they giver a great description of those events.
I blame Gonzalez FAR more
@@thedude3065 Well yes. Gonalez and Alou deserve most of the blame for the error and the hissy fit that I do believe shook the team mentally.
And the rest of the team deserve more blame than Bartman.
Seth already did a video pointing out how Bartman getting the blame was total bullshit. This video was about the Marlins side of things.
@@88porpoise I also blame Dusty Baker for letting Mark Prior drown
Been missing these vids
I stayed with my folks in Pomapano Beach back in early '03, and we went to a couple of games. My folks even went to the deciding game against the Giants. Could see the potential in the young guys, but memories of post-1997 always loomed over the franchise.
Another chilling call from Joe Buck. Iconic! 14:44
Fun fact about Miguel Cabrera, he will be teammates with Roger Clemens son, Kody Clemens in Detroit
Selig and the other owners shouldn't have allowed that first roster demolition to happen.
Well tbf he was busy burying his head in the sand about steroids
Alex Gonzalez, also the name of the Cubs’ shortstop that year. He misplayed a ground ball in the 8th inning in Game 6 that could’ve ended the Marlins’ rally but… you know, curses.
Hell yeah baby. Beckett's Game 6 performance and this walk-off were so epic as an 8 year old. Glad I got to witness it because it's been a dumpster fire since lol.
After the euphoria of the 2003 ALCS I barely even watched the World Series. As a Yankee fan, that WAS my World Series.
Didn't know we'd only win 1 more over the next 20 years of course...
2003 Florida Marlins were an unbelievable underdogs in the MLB playoffs
"Why do you subscribe to a CZcams channel?" Is a great question
Sports are cool, weird facts are cooler, making me nerd out for 15 minutes? That's why I'm here
Great video! Speaking of teams that fell apart shortly after winning a World Series, you should do a Collapse video about the 2015 Royals
That wasn't a Ivan Rodriguez walk-off in the 2003 NLDS. The last out was recorded at home plate and Pudge made the tag, but a walk-off occurs while the home team is at bat.
Can we please get an episode for the José Bautista Batflip Game, please?
pretty sure they already made that like years ago lol
@@poindextertunes lol I think they did an episode of Beef with him vs. Roughned Odor.
Oh that sound was iconic. I swear a variation of it was used for NASCAR coverage too for the yellow or green coming out or the ticker being on screen. SPEED Channel did something similar as did ESPN too, that sound and he the FOX one are seared into my brain
Thanks to the Marlins for sparing us another Yankees world series win!
Please do a rewinder on Super Bowl 52 soon!
Ok, im sure I've missed the info, but where do I find the playlist of the music you use in these videos?
And I keep up the good work, best content to listen to in my long drives.
I love all the digs at the historical franchises that hadn’t won one in so long. Glad all those curses are now broken ⚾️
FINALLY SOME MARLINS GET SOME LOVE
Man, Beckett was dominant during that postseason.
I’m from the same town as Cabrera, I grew up watching him play for my hometown team and win 3 championships in a row in the Venezuelan Winter league, imagine the scenes after he won the triple crown and 2 mvp’s
Funny thing too is that Clemens unretired, signed with the Astros the next year, won the Cy Young, and then won the pennant the year after that.
And was swept by a Sox team lol
cant hate the foreshadowing at the beginning of the video when talking about that teal monster
I find it really sad that Jeff Conine was the only player who was part of both of the Marlins’ World Series teams. Just goes to show how greedy Huizenga was as an owner
Luis Castillo was also part of both titles. He was a rookie in 1997 and played in 75 games (but he was not on the Marlins postseason roster)
But he still got a ring for 1997
Have never cared for Clemens. I love that the Marlins beat up them Damn Yankees
You love it
This is unintentionally one of the most ironic statements ever penned
Luv me some Marlins black magic
Believe that the Yanks definitely win the series if they won Game 4. The Marlins were a young and scrappy team, but I just don't know if they could have dug themselves out of another 3-1 hole. However, winning that one to even the series gave them the momentum swing that they would never relinquish.
As a NYY fans, you have to tip your cap to them. Weaver had no business being anywhere near the mound that postseason let alone a crucial World Series moment.
REALLY good content lately. The first part of the Vikings documentary was brilliant as usual. Brilliant Beef History from Clara (Simmons/Dudley? Thats spicy! 🌶️ Women’s Soccer 🥅 team fighting 20 years to get paid 💵 decently? Excellent piece.) SB drops nothing but fire, but there’s been extra gas 🔥 recently. Let’s go, SECRET BASE
2003 playoffs one of the best ever
1993-2004 was MLB's golden era.
Please do a rewinder on Marlin Jackson intercepting Tom Brady in the 2006/7 AFC Championship Game
Imagine Cubs-Red Sox 2003 WS matchup lol. Battle of cursed clubs
Too bad both got SI Cursed.😂
I'm not a sports fan, so I don't know how these events play out. I was thinking through the video like "man, the writing in these videos is so good, I should leave a comment to that effect", but then you spoiled the outcome at the very last second?! Yeah it's poetic and feels good but gah! In previous episodes you've kind of let the outcome up in the air, I prefer that hahahaha. Interesting video nonetheless :)
I don't know what it says that my brain insistently filled in the name of the Florida Marlin's owner from 25 years ago, yet it has to think a bit before it can recall what day my wedding anniversary is.
Alex Gonzalez in game 4 of the 2003 WS, and Mark McGuire in game 3 of the 1988 WS = Probably the most unknown walk off home runs in World Series history (ever since games started to be televised that is)
This series followed by the Red Sox comeback in 04 made it clear that the retooled Yankees of the 2000s would never come close to their 96-01 team despite all those pricy free agents. "Mystique & Aura" were dead.
Even when NYY lost in 01, the DBacks needed legendary performances from Johnson/Schilling & a miracle comeback against Rivera in Game 7 to pull it off, and the Yankees made it a series with their typical magic. But the Marlins just crushed them with little drama by the end, while the Red Sox flipped the script with magic of their own.
once again asking for Shin A-Lam's loss in the women's olympic epee semifinal to get a deep rewind. a legendary moment for the sport that came down to literal fractions of a second
Boy, I was screaming!! Go Fish.
Loving that yall been dropping more periodically
I don’t know exactly what you mean. Been dropping MORE content but.. spaced out farther?
I’d say they’ve been uploading more often than usual, which is freakin’ awesome.
AH THAT FORESHADOWING I LOVE IT
I was so happy to see the Marlins win this championship.
Man, I completely forgot the Yankees were leading that World Series 2-1 and that close to a 3-1 lead. Man, with their awesome comeback in 1996 vs Atlanta, I can’t even be a little upset about them losing to the Marlins. Things have to come back around. The 1996 World Series brought me back to MLB. And those NYY teams in the late 90s are probably the best team any of us will ever see. The 2001 World Series was the greatest series of all time. And the Yankees HAVE to lose the greatest WS of all time.
1991 WS and 2001 WS = both greatest WS ever. Its a tie
1991 World Series rewinder when?!?
Please do a rewinder of Marlin Jackson's interception in the 2006 AFC Championship to send the Colts to the Super Bowl.
I guess you guys are never making another Collapse video?
Posada didn't win the World Series in 1996. He was a September Call Up and didn't make the postseason roster. He did play a bit in the ALDS in 1995 as a call up that year and he did still get a ring. But he didn't officially win a championship until 1998.
Heartbroken as a kid being a cubs fan but loved them beating the Yankees.
You should do a rewinder about Edwin Encarnacions home run against the Orioles to win the wildcard game
Kansas vs. Memphis. The 2008 National Championship. Mario's Miracle deserves a Deep Rewind.
Yall should do a Deep Rewind on Jameis Winston throwing his 30th interception in one season, thats pretty historic
The fact I was born during this moment is what made me a Marlins fan man
As a Cubs (at the time 11) I was so ready for a Cubs/Red Sox World Series. I guess what we got was OK.
Another masterclass from Joe Buck
The crowd pop for the homer was so weak it hurt 14:44
This one hurt I don't think it hurt as much as the 2001 world series against the diamondbacks or when the Sox came back from 3-0 to take the pennant but it hurt though
I love you. I love baseball.
I must be very old and very disaffected by baseball if I (as a lifelong Yankees fan) get warm fuzzies from seeing the names of the '97 Marlins come up on the screen.
One would think that SB would have done SOMETHING by now on the Yankees when they actually win. Bucky Dent, and the 1978 historic comeback, Reggie and the Three Straight homers in a clinching game six win over the Dodgers in 1977. But....... crickets.
Do the 1991 World Series. Greatest series of all time. Game 7 is legendary!
1991 and 2001. Its a tie
Weaver only looked bad on a roster that included Pettitte, Clemens, Wells, and Musina. He was an AMAZING #5 starter. That was one of the best rotations of all time. 4 aces and Weaver, a solid #3.
Best dynasty money could buy.
They've got the 2 most random championships in history
Cant say that 1997 was random.
STILL WAITING ON THE MIRACLE ON ICE REWINDER. MAKE IT HAPPEN ALREADY
Aaron f'ing Boone! I still remember being in a bar that the fire marshal would have had an issue with when Jimy Williams took Pedro out. I knew it was over then. When Boone went yatd the place went absolutely insane. I went outside and smoked a cigarette, maybe 2.
it was a glorious moment indeed, when the rivalry was at its zenith
best video