Klipsch Rp-450c & SVS ULTRA CENTER *Pros & Cons*
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- Klipsch Rp-450c & SVS ULTRA CENTER Pros & Cons Was hooking up the new ultra center speaker and I thought it was a good idea to show the differences bwtween the two. Enjoy
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08:35 "they don't care what they sound like..." I doubt there are any Klipsch owners who don't care what they sound like.
you need to listen more, he says it so clear.. that some people buy klipsch, because they are pretty!! he didt not say all klipsch owners, just buy them because they are pretty!! and i bougth a klipsch center!! but are now actually thinking, of going to svs... not because of this video, but another from erins audio corner... i still love the klipsch sound, but the svs speakers beat them in so many ways
I like the pleasant subtle thump of the kick drum in the background music my SVS sub is picking up
i like to play the chill hop jams when I go my videos.
All my speakers are klipsch and I love then.
I have a pair I bought 31 years ago and still never heard anything better.
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Never heard anything better, what you got shit in your ears?
Mike Montana lol
@@thegoat164 ahahhahahaha he's got to get out more klipsch suck when you taste real speakers.
@@karrknutt3842 that’s honestly sad.
I never noticed my Klipsch having a narrow sweetspot. I think they sound good from front and the side, anywhere in my room sounds good to me. 🤷
Recently got RP-450C and RP-280F, very happy with them. Bought Wharfedale Evo4.2's, and the sound was too warm for me, even with a treble boost. Also decided to re-arrange the room and switch to towers. I personally like bright speakers, though I do EQ the Klipsch's down a bit. Depending on the frequency, I bring the Klipsch's down 2 to 3dB above 1.5khz, and it makes them perfect to my preference. Haven't heard the SVS. I know there are other great speakers on the neutral to bright side that I'd like, but after being disappointed with the EVO4.2's, I wanted to have a safe and done choice. The Klipsch's are efficient and I very much enjoy their sound. While they will sound great on lower and receiver/amps, I know they sound much better with better amps. Current using an Onkyo TX-SR676, but plan on upgrading to the newer version of the Yamaha 3080 when it gets replaced with an HDMI 2.1 version.
I'm here because I'm researching SVS subs and I just happened across this comparison. I played the Wharfedale EVO4.2 along side an RF-280F, and at the same output, the Klipsch really is about 8dB or so louder at the same settings (Rated 98dB vs 88dB). However, toning down the highs brings it down to about a 5dB difference. Still quite large!
my theater system of klipsch klf- 30 with klipsch rc-7 center and sorround klipsch rb-81 is great.never heared something better in a room.love klipsch
Had both ...Klipsch was more clear
Am I the only one who hears the deep bass playing on the background from the first 3 mins of the vid? Haha anyways good video man! Cheers
Sometimes I play chill hop music when I record and then use a shotgun mic. Sometimes the mic grabs the music along with my voice.
heard it with just my 2 towers. w/o sub
Hey THTD I recently found your channel & have subscribed. Over the past few weeks I’ve definitely learned a great deal from you, I am getting ready to start my home theater setup & was just curious in your opinion which would you recommend far as speakers SVS or Klipsch. Thanks in advance & keep up the great work man
thanks man. whats your goal?
You made up my mind and I went with SVS Center and Bookshelves Ultras, will arrive this month.Marantz 7015 will drive everything
So how are they?? And how’s your wallet? Haha my current dilemma
I have yet that, 85" tv in my mind, i cannot forget that!
Sensitivity really only matters from an amplifier perspective. Klipsch and their high sensitivity have been popular with people that love tube amps because they don't put out a lot of power but sound distinctive. If your budget for amplification is constrained then you'll want more sensitivity to make those watts go further if you like music loud.
Murchy Murch I get that. Most people do externals when they get into this level of home theater. It’s defiantly not a requirement but a lot of fun if you have it dialed in. I really like the way these ultras are sounding right now. Very excited to have both to test side by side.
I had an rp250c before the ultra center and I too was a little conflicted about the lower dB rating on the ultra. Completely got over it once heard the ultras amazing sound. Now I got an Emotiva xpa 3 gen 3 to power my lcr and it sounds even better.
Thats why I wanted to specifically make the statement about the sensitivity. People just need to get out there and hear something to make up their minds. Thats the whole reason for this channel. To open people up to new things.
Louis I am also deciding between RP250 and Svs Prime centre to upgrade from Wharfedale Diamond 220 for vocal clarity. Inclined towards Svs. I have Yamaha 677 Avr. I worried about harshneas/brightness because living room has brick walls hard flooring. Have PB1000 sub.
I have read that Prime are also very good at half price of Ultra. My budget allows Prime. How do you compare Rp250 and Ultra? I have demoed RP 450 and LCR briefly but could not demo Svs in India.
sanonmarsI preferred the ultras, 3 way design compared to the 250c which helped with the sound when you are not sitting in the sweet spot. As soon as I hooked up the ultra it felt like I actually had big cinema sound in my home theater. The only sort of negative thing about the ultra for me was the size, I had to make accommodations in my rack for how tall the center is.
sanonmars if you’re worried about harshness then I would stay off the klipsch. Their horns get very piercing at higher volumes. The svs is neutral and very clear without distortion.
Louis Hernandez I agree. The center really brings the whole system together very nicely. It is a little bigger but quality sometimes
Has size and weight
Am so undecided whether to go with a SvS ultra bookshelves or Klipsch home theater 5.1 system, Or a Sonos Arc, 2 Sonos Fives and a subs, Any recommendations?
Ya you right Klipsch is a 2 way crossover vs 3 way Svs... svs are build like a Tank i seen somes who take them appart and was really impress on how good they are overall made with amazing crossovers an insane magnet... Ultra and Prime are really top notch made bulid to last! im excited to see the demo when you finish break them in!
Can do.
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Well done brother.
Thanks J
All my speakers are Krix I absolutely love them❤️👌
The Klipsch RP 440 and 450 are 2-1/2 way speakers. All 4 woofers are used for bass below 500 Hz. The center woofers are used for midrange below 1500 Hz.
I'm getting the rp 8000f but debating between the rp 440 and rp 450. Is there a huge difference in sound between the two? I'm trying to justify the purchase price for the 450c.
Hwan Jung I got the rp 404c which is the newer model of the 440. I really like it. Sounds great but im curious as well of the difference between that one and the next one up.
@@eja35oz so the 504c is the newer model of the 450c? I might pull the trigger today and get the 450c, I got a 75 dollar refund for the klipsch subwoofer from amazon
Hwan Jung yes it is. I think there's a new tech they used on the tweeter but it's mostly just a cosmetic difference in models. The 504c has the copper ring around the coppee woofer. I think it adds a more premium look to it. Not sure it's worth the extra money tho
@@eja35oz thanks mate
Great review. I’m on the fence with SVS ultra and Elac uni fi
I haven't tried the svs but the elac ub5 are smooth and clean sounding. Not dynamic or very powerful but very clean, probably the cleanest sounding you'll find for $350ish a pair. They might not fill your audio fantasies, though, if you're thinking big dynamic dramatic rock and home theater speakers - like Klipsch or the impression I get of svs.
I think the ub5 would be best suited for a small bedroom for tame and critical music and movie listening. The options you're choosing between are very different and could be complementary for different listening pleasures. Cheers
Great input. I love my Klipsch speakers. 7.2 setup. But I just recently purchased the SVS sb 2000 to go along with my Klipsch 112sw. Sounds great together. Maybe I should check out the SVS ultra center since I have an account with SVS now. Lol. Great channel tho. Your input helps a lot. Thanks brother.
Thats gret Corri! I like to make these videos. Did you happen to use my links when you wordered the 2000?
I wouldn’t recommend replacing your Klipsch Center channel with another brand. You will completely change the timbre of the voicing. Unfortunately it’s kind of all or nothing.
I do totally agree about Klipsch looking. That's the main reason I've decided to change my current speakers. Ultra are growing on me as well... while Prime are just... ew ... Not my taste.
But I got also another thought: doesn't Klipsch design disturb during the movie? Those shiny woofers seem to be a problem during watching movie... didn't You notice anything like this?
I've been hunting down JBL Studio or S series speakers and can tell you they sound pretty good for the $. I've owned Klipsch KLH series and countless others over the years. If your on a best bang for your buck budget they can't be beat. So far I have the S 312 s for mains , s center , s310 s sides and need to locate some s38s or 26s for the rear. I'm just a poor truck driver so I have to budget accordingly.
Yeah. The stuff on my channel isnt for everyone and thier budget but hopefully i'll branch out soon to different brands and types. Thanks for watching
I still have my S center, one of the best center channels I've ever owned! 😉
Can I use the Ultra bookshelf speakers as my main speakers? Will my Denon 3400H have enough power to run them? Love your channel, keep up the fantastic work ✌🏻👍🏻
rwings01 yeah. You can push em with that. Later on down the road if you want to you can use externals but I do t think you need to
I own both of these setups, and they are both good. But I enjoy the punch and in your face sound that Klipsch gives better. All my SVS stuff is just sitting under a sheet so it doesn't collect dust
I am trying to decide which way to go....and it seems like that Klipsch is more visceral(Fun) to watch movies on......Would you say that's accurate statement? I haven't heard the svs....but did hear Klipsch years ago.
@@xsamitt the klipsch rp series are fantastic i was on the fence between them and the svs went klipsch and its just amazing
@@carolinayamadawg8706 Thank you ;-)
@@xsamitt Go Klipsch and never look back. I'll admit that SVS makes great subs but imo their towers, centers are loud but the klipsch has a cleaner in your face sound.
Sensitivity just says it will play with less power more efficient than one with a lower rating. If your powering them with 200 watts it really won't matter much. You will probably just play the higher sensitivity at a lower volume to get your desired level. That's my opinion of course. The svs will sound good on AV receiver. But will open up and shine with an amp.
Agreed 100%
I’ve never heard this SVS center channel so I won’t pass judgment on it. However, I’m going to say that my Klipsch RP-450C is the best center channel speaker I have ever owned. And I have owned a few different ones from Jamo, Polk Audio LSi series and a SpeakerCraft, which was an in-wall.
try the rc-64i ii or iii. That thing was amazing. had to downgrade when I went with the reference premiere setup
$1,800 compared to $280
I myself just got the Klipsch RF7-III's and the RC64-III center. I've never heard any SVS speaker but with all of the great things I keep hearing about them I wish I could have gave them a listen before I bought my Klipsch. But I'm only using a Marantz SR 7012 for powering my speakers. Love your videos man!
I had the rc-64 before. It was much better than my rp-450. Yeah. I was pretty happy with my klipsch setup until I went to the store and heard the Ultra line. Ive been hooked since then. Great performance and you always get more than what you pay for. I guess i have to sell my klipsch now. haha
Your rf-7iii and that gigantic rc-64iii are in a different league. No need to ponder how the SVS would stack compared to the ultras.
Voltis coming in hot
agreed, the Klipsch RF7III series would walk all over those SVS speakers plus you do not really need an external amp to rum them. Plus they are very sensitive at 99db they will still sound good using only a 20-watt amplifier.
That Home Theater Dude just telling him how it is 😉
Can’t find direct comparison between ultra vs rc64iii. If im not mistaking you had rc64 before?
Sensitivity has nothing to do with build/sound quality. It is a measure of efficiency, and the only thing it can accurately tell you is how loud a speaker will be. Higher sensitivity takes less wattage to get to the same Db level, so higher sensitivity = higher output. There are fantastic speakers of all sensitivity levels from the mid 80's to mid 90's.
I watched ur this episode but once again I like to know recommended amplifier power. If floorstanding has 20-150 watts power handling, then will 80 Watts RMS all channel 20hz -20khz driven amplifier be good?? Let me know ..
yes
What would you rate this full klipsch 5.2 setup vs this full prime 5.2 setup? Also, do you think 7.2 is now the standard when building a home theatre?
Yes Mr Goodman, 7.1 is pretty much standard.
Whats better kef r2c vs svs ultra center?
I'm happy with my RP-450c
You think rf7iii pair good with svs ultra center?
Three of SVS ultra center LCR is dope, my dream !
hows the result?, thinking the same thing, 3 identical ultra center for LCR
Still saving money for it 😂
If I may ask, why do you use an Alternate Source of power for certain speakers instead of just using your AVR? I'm a huge speaker enthusiast but probably behind where most are so please explain to me
Getting into the higher channel AVRs they struggle to maintain their advertised output ratings. If you are straining the AVR then it creates heat, heat leads to lower sound quality and AVR failure. Most people dont really have a problem with this, but for people that regularly listen to movies at reference or close to it then it matter more. Using an external amp takes the load off of the AVR and gives you the power rating advertised more accurately. This turns all the negative things about using all of the internal amps into positives. Better sound (clarity & defintition) lower heat on the AVR and longer life. The only con is higher cost to use externals. Hope this helps. You asked this in two different videos so im going to copy and past this reply so other people can benefit of your question. Thanks!
I’m upgrading my front stage speakers and I just got the svs ultra center channel what I’m curious is can u get 3 of the svs ultra center channel speakers and use them as the front speakers ??
yes you can
Can you do a SVS ultra Center vs Klipsch top one?
Have you thought about what type of projector screen you want? You might be able to get away with an acoustical transparent screen since all your speaker ports are on the back, and it would solve the screen mirror effect from the ultra speakers.
ALready in progress. Im not doing acoustical screen. im just going to move them out laterally. If there is still a shine. then I will put a treamtment on them to reduce the glare. You'll see. stay tuned buddy
I really want to see how that ultra center works as mains for L & R
Thought about the same thing... 🤔
Maybe I missed it, but since you had an opportunity to hear both in your room, which one did you prefer?
both have pros and cons, my choice between these two is the ultra center
I real like the look of svs speakers 👍👍
agreed
I saw your unboxing of your new sub, what’s the best way to connect 2 subs. I have 1 output on my amp for the sub
Honorio Riquelme you can do one of two ways. Either get a y cable and split the signal into 2 or do a single cable from the sub out on you receiver to the first sub then connect another cable from the first sub on the “sub out” to the sub in on the second sub. Easy peasy.
Just wondering why you went with Outlaw amps instead of Emotiva?
I have had both amps. The outlaw had a wider sound stage. It had really nice detail, however the highs sounded way to far back for my taste. They sounded like the upper mid and highs were behind the speakers. On the other hand the Emotiva was more oriented towards the upper mids and the highs. It didn't sound as broad and detailed as the outlaw did. Apples to oranges I chose the emotive. My svs pb4000 can do all that heavy lifting. So it just comes down to ur personal taste. If both companies could build an amp together I would b first in line...lol
Your right to be concerned about sensitivity it’s how efficient the speaker is and a reflection of design quality, but it comes down to what sounds good to you.
The problem is Klipsch fudges their numbers. Look at Sound and Vision reviews for modern Klipsch speakers. They exaggerate by 4-6dB consistently. One example of the Klipsch RP-150 bookshelf (www.soundandvision.com/content/klipsch-reference-premiere-rp-150m-speaker-system-review-test-bench) 88dB actual compared to 93dB claimed. On the flips side, the similar size SVS Ultra Bookshelf is rated by SVS at 87dB but the same measurement setup found an actual sensitivity of 90.5dB. www.soundandvision.com/content/svs-ultra-speaker-system-ht-labs-measures
Nice video
Thanks! Its fun to make these
So which os better svs or klipsh???
I finally save some money to step up my 2.1 system to a 5.1. I have a Marantz 1506 receiver and it only gives 50 wpc. Will I be able to run just fine the SVS Ultra? Or they will need that extra power you comment in the video? I was in the same boat as you when you mention about the sensitivity, thats why i bought the RP-150M's to used them as fronts.
you can run the center with 50watts. I would still pump it up with an amp if you can. 50 is on the lower end. You want to save your AVR. You wont blow speakers running too low of power. You blow the AVR. Thats why the safety of an external is a good idea. Not necessary but a real good idea
That Home Theater Dude So to be safe, my best bet would be to upgrade my receiver right? Because other people also told me that this Marantz will only give 50 wpc with 2 channels, pluging it more speakers will be decreasing power. Do you know of this is true? Damn i was kinda frustrated
How about the 504C coupled with SVS ultra towers? I know you should match set your front stage, but I have the 504C on the way. I don’t have the ultra towers yet, but I’m very interested in them. Thoughts?
not a super bad combo. Id still recommend using the same brand across the front stage
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude David brand still won't timbre match unless is identical speakers
Of course the high sensitivity the better speaker. The main issue is that all sensitivity listed by different speaker manufactures are not comparable, because they use different measuring methods to measure their speaker sensitivity. As a consumer, you have to bring them to your home and measure them with your own sound meter or audyssey mic to compare.
Well which did you like best for the center speaker sound?
lu sly svs so far. I’m going to give it a month of use then I’ll test them side by side.
Im a toosed up between the klipsch rp504c and the ultra centre..can u recommend a better choice..so is either i start of with svs and end up all ultras or start up with klipsch rp and end up all rp
you cant go wrong with either, personally, I like the SVS better. they are more even and neutral so the speakers play what the composer or editor intended vs being voiced by the actual speaker.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude thanks.. i had demo the klipsch rp series..i found that it was kinda bright..and the other speakee i demoed was the new emotiva t2 plus (sounded less harsh with good bass.. didnt need a sub)..the emotivas was not so bright but the it was like the speaker disappeared ...the dealer told me the svs ultras are like between the new emotivas and klipsch rp...i also loved the soundstage of the emotiva which he said said the ultras are capable of as well..he didnt have any ultras in stock to demo at the time..is it true that the soudstage of the svs ultras are better than the klipsch rp..when i say soundstage : i mean like u dont even know where the speakers are and where the sound is coming from..
If you had to do it all over again, what external amplifier would you get it is a avr good enough to push these for a true movie theater experience or better? I have a Denon 4300h, is this enough to really push these or do I need an external amplifier.
I started with the yamamha 681 with klipsch reference speakers. They sounded great. when I upgraded to the reference premiere line the yamaha didnt sound as good powering the speakers. I switched to the denon 6300h and I was really happy. I only got externals case denon runs hot so I wanted safety. If you have all klipsch and plan to keep all klipsch then I would say the 4300 is great. If you wanna get more performance from your sysytem then I say go externals and get SVS. You dont need externals to run SVS, but its always a good idea to have them at least for the front stage (L C R) channels. I use 200watts per channel for those
That Home Theater Dude which outlaw model are you using? I am going to get the external amp first then wait for black Friday and get the entire svs ultra setup and PB 4000 duals(upgrade from pb 12 nsd)
I use 3 outlaw audio model 2200s. I got them for 250 each. Another great option is the model 7500.
I was wondering why I didn’t see your videos anymore, dunno why my subscription was off too. A few of my other subscription were off too. Anyways great. Video. I’m leaning to the Svs center speaker. Do you think a Svs center speaker 🔊 can go will with Polk towers until I can get the Svs towers
Angel london yeah man. You went silent on me. A lot of my first viewers have. Maybe I hanged haha.
Angel london I do indeed think the imaging on the center will match well with your towers in the mean time
Hey home theater due really like the ur videos can u do on speaker that have built in subwoofers ?
my svs ultra towers have two subwoofers in the bottom of the base
Does it have LFE to plug in the back
Of the towers I would like it if u came down and check out my home theater?
no the AVreceiver controls all of that. these are all passive speakers
How does the svs ultra center work with a single receiver, does it require additional power??
It doesn’t need additional power. Good god kid.
Would of been nice if you compared the sound quality differences and your personal preference.
Ed B That's exactly what I was waiting for!
Home Theater Dude dumps the Klipsch and goes full SVS because he wanted high end quality sound.
Home Theater Dude dumps the Klipsch and goes full SVS
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Yes I have separate recievers for music and for movies
I do as well
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What do u have for music;
Speakers and amp, source?
Please let us hear some music and movie scenes please
its coming buddy
I need to hear that's only i need no words
what
Home Theater dude, do you think the new Klipsch reference première line in August wil be as good as Svs at the moment ? And how do you rate the current RP line on a scale ? 0 - 10 ( Svs 10 )
Tough one. maybe an 8.5. I dont know if the new ones will sound any better. Hope they improve them. Not really sold on the looks, but that has nothing to do with the sound
How do you think the rp line from klipsch compares to the svs prime line
better deep bass effects but with harsher highs. Mids and highs are better on the primes in comparison. i like both. I dont think they should be mixed on the front stage
Svs is very impressive for home theater. I have both brands and I prefer the svs.
do you have a separate amp?
Not sure if it matters but my klipsch 115sw out powered a sb4000 by a lot.
@@andyorozco6675 that's cray, really? You prefer the Klipsch sub to the svs sub? I guess those are in similar price categories with the Klipsch maybe being slightly cheaper?
I am shocked by the bass out of my JBL studio 580'ies. I've wondered how good JBL subs may be. The small woofers in my 580 are very clean, controlled and deep, shockingly deep. The overall sound of the woofers are deep, with very little high (chuffy) bass.
@@andyorozco6675 you’re comparing a sealed to a ported sub. Of course they’re going to sound different and the ported will sound more open and deep. I’d take the svs sub any day
My SVS Center channel will arrive tomorrow. I originally ordered a Klipsch Rc64iii but it was lost in shipping, I got mad and ordered the SVS Ultra center instead. Also ordered a Monoprice Monolith 7 channel amplifier. For now I will be using Polk Rtia9s until I decide on towers. I think I really need to see the SVS Ultras in person and maybe I'll change my mind about their looks. In the end I'll have either a full Klipsch RF7/Rc64iii system or an SVS Ultra setup, we'll see.
test em both
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude well no matter what I will be keeping the SVS center, I know that much. If it's not what I'm hoping it is I will replace it with the Klipsch RC64-iii and the SVS will be my basement setup center. Maybe Klipsch upstairs and SVS downstairs depending on how it all goes. I gotta run some dedicated circuits in the next couple to a few days.
Do you not like Emotiva?? Due tell ?
Thinking about doing a video of my home theater but havn't gotten the chance yet. My setup consists of a Marantz 8012 for receiver. For center channel I have the Klipsch RP-450C, L/R channels consists of Klipsch RP-280F. Surrounds are the Klipsch RP-260F. And 4 Klipsch Atmos speakers RP-140SA I attached to the ceiling. The bass.... Yup also a Klipsch. Its the 15 inch sub R-115SW. Making my setup a 5.1.4. Im in the market for a laser 4k ust projector but nothing in the market has my attention so far, still patiently waiting. For my videos I have a "still very competent" Mitsubishi 92 inch DLP WD-92842. Not a bad setup if I say so. Pretty proud of it lol. What you think of my setup? I dont have a power conditioner. Should I add that to my list of next things to get? Thanx for your assistance
4k projectors are getting cheaper and cheaper. Football season is right around the corner. expect some sales to happen soon. As far as lazer pj you are probably still looking around the 4 thousand range. the uhz65 probably being my favorite but there are plenty to consider. Your setup is very similar to my old klipsch setup. With proper calibration that system will scream! Good choice. Get a power condtioner for everything hooked up to your system. I dont play around with that. Ethernet, HDMI and regular compenents are all linked. if a surge takes out one component then they are all suseptable to being damaged. happend to a buddy that had everything connect to surge protector except xbox and the HMDI linked the two and fried all the protected stuff.
That Home Theater Dude, Yes the uhz65 was my first bet and Ive been looking at it for a while. But for ease of connectivity and alot fewer headaches Ive started looking at the ust. There's a few out there but nothing screaming at me yet. If I can find a 4k, laser ust pj with around 3,000 lumens and 3D...... Ill be sold. Thanx for the compliments on my system. I really didnt like the Audyssey settings so I did my own settings. I liked my settings better lol
I want to upgrade my home theater but only have a budget between $1500-2000 and I live in a apartment so space is kind of a issue. Is it possible to get a quality system for that amount?
Marcus Joyner heck yeah you can. How many speakers you plan on?
Your Nightmare thanks for the response I've been extremely busy and just now able to respond. I want something that sounds good with everything meaning sports movies(cable and dvds) and music. Thanks in advance for any info you can give me.
I have prime center in my setup, the rest is pretty much from the ultra series. Im hoping to be able to upgrade my center at some point. But its good also, so no hurry :D i think the ultra series is Just gorgeous by the way :D
ultra center is where its at. Styling, function, sound, it has it all
Dont you think it's kind of weird why speaker manufacturers never give a straight answer as to why they dont have high efficiency speakers like klipsch????....I've yet to hear a legitimate answer! I suspect it's a cost issue and until I get a straight answer I will continue to buy klipsch! Klipsch just sounds better to me period! I've listened to alot of speakers,too many to count and I'm sorry but klipsch wins me over every time !!
Sensitivity is just how loud a speaker is at a given wattage and distance, 1w i think. You could have a speaker produce 200db @ 1 meter and 1 watt but that has nothing to do with sound quality. Look at headphones, they probably produce 30 db @ 1 metet and 1 watt, or whatever, and there are some that are really amazing.
you right. alot of people have been taught to look for the sensitivity as a "quality" marker when buying speakers. Im not saying its right but its common. I just wanted to address that.
Hey Dudu You love Klipsch speakers before. Now your are affiliate of SVS now you love they speakers.
I loved svs speakers before I was an affiliate. If the affiliate ever ends I will still like them. there are plenty of speaker companies out there. You should check out some
I have the a Emotiva xpa3 third generation power amp, it's working fine
lu sly I always wondered . What's the actual purpose of owning a Emotiva Amp? Is it for more power or is it to compensate for a receiver that's lacking ?
BlackMusicGenre hi, it's to compensate for the lack of power in a receiver. A power amp/ Emotiva will bring true clean power to your tower speakers, so they don't sound muddy or distort. Believe me it worked for me. It also frees up room on your receiver for your other speakers to give them more headroom
BlackMusicGenre its also for more power if u need it, but most receivers exaggerate their power ratings, and I was having trouble with my towers distorting at moderate levels, because the receiver was already out of gas,Naomi had to buy a power amp. Works great. Unless you have tiny speakers, I highly recommend a separate power amplifier
The svs ultra speakers are beautiful BUT let’s be honest…the lack of magnetic grills does take away a bit of that.
The short answer on sensitivity is how loud the speaker performs with 1 watt of power at one meter. Low efficiency speakers and high efficiency speakers can both sound great, but stuff in the 80s dbs lends itself well to high powered amplification (hundreds of watts per channel) while something like klipsch can use boutique amplifiers that are 25 watts or less. This is because every 3db increase of volume requires a doubling of amplifier power - so in some cases, the difference between 25w/channel and 200w/channel only gets you +12db gain. When you're doing things like EQ, it's going to matter with low efficiency. On top of that - all the major speaker brands lie about their sensitivity and all the major amplifier companies lie about their wattage output. That's before you even get into things like impedance that can affect real world power.
I would like to know please
I own RP-440C and SVS Prime Center. RP-440C sounds better lower volume and provides better staging and louder (less tight but airy) mid base. However, SVS Prime provide much better sounds in louder volume, and it produces more accurate sound and produce tighter base response. Klipsch is better when listening to classical music, while SVS is better when listening to pop, rap, and etc. I have industrial karaoke machine at home and SVS is MUCH better reproducing your voice. Just for movie watching especially larger scale movies, Klipsch is better for it's airy and louder mid base and staging it provides.
Klipsch is currently moved from my entertainment room to living room due to karaoke... and SVS is moved from living room to entertainment room. SVS is much more accurate in reproducing sound. Klipsch provide something more like "fun to listen to" sounds if it makes any sense. if you don't care about the accuracy of the sound. Klipsch is better (better looking too). My entertainment room is 24ft X 33ft. Living room is 24ft X 28ft (but open to kitchen so.. more like 40ft X 33ft). All speakers are set to small with low cut off @80Hz. I tried 60 or 40, but my subwoofers sounded better below 80Hz.
Interesting comparison, thanks.
The SVS center has far much fuller sound off axis than Klipsch center speakers which have nulls. Also Klipsch mislead with their speaker sensitivity ratings as they do them indoors which gives them a bump of around 6db. So whatever sensitivity rating Klipsch gives for a speaker, always deduct around 6db to arrive at the true rating.
Which one did you like more ???
Gotta break in the SVS first. but i really like how it sounds so far.
So with you spending time using the Klipsch brand & SVS which would you recommend or prefer?
I am more and more impressed with SVS. you always get more than what you pay for. People with klispch speakers can be really pigheaded and cant believe that another speaker couple possibly compare. I have an open mind and I like to form my own opinions rather than just crapping on brands that I may or may not have heard (unlike some people). I will always give my opinions based on experience rather than what they look like on paper. I started this channel to help people sift thru all the bull and give honest unbiased opinions. Sorry, i went off on a tangent. Which Speakers were you looking at?
That Home Theater Dude much like people with svs subs. They can't believe anything else out there can be a better sub than svs. I started with SVS subs (pc2000, pc12+, PB16) and swore to them being the best of the best. Well, they are great subs just not for the price...waaay overpriced imo. So having the chance to explore outside the realm of SVS subs I was able to see/hear what was out there that were better bang for your $$. I'm glad I did.
Many people will get one or the other, but both? Small crowd that is. Honestly, if I was gonna somehow get both in my home I’d just get something better than either of those two options.
Voltis_5 I can see that. They do make some good subs though. Maybe one day I’ll check out some other ones. ...when I get the new house.
Salem Dunning what would you get ?
Sounded like SVS has the upper hand. We would like a sound challenge video between the both of them if it's possible. 👍
the problem with audio comparisons on YT is that the sound you'd hear is what your speakers reproduce, and not a true represemntation of the speakers featured in the video.
@@LFC-Star common sense
Placed an order through SVS and received them yesterday. Got the Ultra Center and the Ultra Towers. These things are bad ass! They sound really good!
Right on, you gonna love them. You happen to use my links? Im not showing any purchases
That Home Theater Dude. No. I didnt know you had any links to order on your videos. I just now noticed it. Sorry bro. I ordered them last week straight off SVS website. Got them set up Friday night and me and my family watched the movie 12 strong. These things rock! They are very detailed. I have dual SVS PB 12 ultra 2's that i bought new around 10 years ago and they are still going strong. Really liking these SVS speakers so far. I enjoy watching your videos man!
cual de las 2 es mejor?klipsch rp 450c o svs ultra center?
Centro de la SVS ultra. La recreación de la voz es mejor y se puede empujar sin distorsión
is it better to have the speakers with grill off or on?
for filming I like to keep the grills off. It shows the great looking drivers. If you have kids, pets or the speaker is in a precarious position then I would say keep them covered. There is no difference in sound with the grills on or off. I like to show them off as much as possible. and it reaffirlms that you have a serious setup without grills. But hey, safety first
I used to have those tables. :-D I did enter into Emotiva and SVS sweepstakes. I hope I get chosen :-D
Good luck homie
That Home Theater Dude I’ve got a svs pb2000. would you say go dual subs or not really a big deal?
Do you listen in one spot or all around the room? also how big is your space?
That Home Theater Dude my room isn’t that big 15x10. I’ve got it near the corner next to my tv and speakers. and I’m the only listener. but I did find my old down Firing sub. to give me the best shaking the sofa bass. it was cheap and only 100 watts an 8”. I think it’s because of my solid concrete floor. if I can mix it with the pc2000 I might do that.
id say they would pair well. You in the states?
Looking to fit one of these bad boys into a wall.. Would there be any issues with doing this?
Gareth Brown nope. Just make sure it will fit between the wall studs. If it don’t then make a cutout bigger and do a double stack of 2x4 on top and bottom. Sounds hard but it’s a simple design
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude what you mean by double stack 2x4? thank you for the advice .
yeah. If you have to cut a stud a good idea is the double stack the 2x4 on the top and bottom and have them butt into the adjacent studs
Well I’m definitely shooting for Dolby Atmos support so I can take advantage of the full potential of 4k. Living room isn’t huge but what I’ve been thinking is L/R/C 2 speakers on top of the L/R up front, 2 surrounds & sub. You’re very welcome & keep up the great work
Thats a great plan! Let me know if i can help
Did u do a sound comparison?
got a link to the video?
As it is with any Center Channel if not in The Sweet Spot then you are not getting the full effect unless you have an extremely long Center Channel with multiple Tweeter arrays then it will spread evenly throughout the room like the one I have or if you have a specific style of speaker that has something that allows you to not have to use a center Channel also like the prototypes I have but good comparison video keep it up
Yeah sensitive speakers are nice but having a matched set is important.
If you run 87 db makes sure they all are 87.
I actually have a mix of two types of speakers and I just adjust the sound in the settings in my receiver after I use audessy, the sound is then balanced
Kilpsch THX Ultra 2 525 for your center will sound way better then the svs. Try it. Loader isn't always better compared to load with quality...My home theater is all Klipsch THX Ultra 2...and not heard anything better. thanks the video
What’s the max SPL on both of them?
havent maxed them out yet. dont know
The SVS has a sensitivity of 87db vs the Klipsch 97db so the Klipsch takes a lot less power to drive.
Yes, but your bass response get worst the higher the sensitivity. Ppl get too caught up in sensitivity
@@wezzman1 Not a universal truth. My RP-280F's have way more bass response AND sensitivity than my Wharfedale EVO4.2's, for example. Yes, the RP has FAR more woofer surface area, but that's part of the deal.
@@Carskick agree. That is not always the case
You think about sensitivity ratings kinda weird. Low sensitivity speakers will actually work an amp. Where as you can run high sensitivity speakers loud with just static electricity from you socks, no need for external amps.
i just like that i can run loud with my avr and giving me time to save for an external amp mostly crown maybe the outlaw either 2 ch or 5 ch
@@joeydelmarsjr.646that was basically my point. You can get super clean 50 or 60 watt amp from marantz or whomever and it will still rock some highly sensitive speakers.
I am currently in the process off looking for an external amplifier to push my front 3 speakers a little harder and I'm currently using Svs Ultra bookshelfs with ultra center can someone tell me if the emotiva Xpa 3 Gen 3 would be a good fit for what I have they put out 300w per channel thankyou
That will be fine. The bookshelfs like a lot of juice. The center should be fine too. There isnt any harm in having a little extra amp. Where you getting your external from?
Was going to look on Ebay emotivas are pretty expensive
Martin Masias they do carry a price tag but you are barking up 300wpc. That’s serious. Only way to do
It cheaper is pro audio amps like crown xls1502 or greater. If you want I can send you links to both on amazon.
Sounds good
Yea the crown is only a 2 channel amp I need 3 channels
I know I’m late to the party on this one, but the problem with the sensitivity number is way too many companies do not give you a true number and Clips is usually one of them. I’m not saying they make a bad speaker. I have clips in my home theater, but as many people will test them they are nowhere near sensitive as they claim another done subwoofers flat out showed you that that number basically meant diddly squat there were speakers in that test that were 67 dB less sensitive than another rated speaker. they played almost the exact same with the exact same wattage if that number was 100% true that should not have happened, this is just an observation from looking up tons of videos
Having a frequency response higher than 20khz allows the speaker to start the roll off at, say, 18khz at 12db per octave instead of hitting a brick wall. Its a smart design choice.
you get it! Some people dont know this stuff. i try to keep the channel where it shows the most info to help everyone understand. Thanks for you help buddy
That Home Theater Dude I just watched your Epson unboxing. I installed one for a customer this evening, I was hoping for a brighter image. Very interested to hear your thoughts of the 5040 in your room.
There is a little tweeking you have to do once out of the box and screen and environment have alot to do with the picture. I dont have to tell you that though. You probably know much better than I since you install these puppies. I didnt know how to do any of the installation. I just stepped back and did cable managment while the pros worked. I need to calibrate the picture soon. I'll shoot a video about it too. Thanks for watching!
That Home Theater Dude I tweaked it for 2 hours. The image is pretty good for a 2016 model, I think for under $5k it's a very good value. I also used a 1.2 gain screen. I traded more reflectivity for better light uniformity. I'm enjoying your channel keep it up!
Ha ha...hearing degrades with age, as early as 18, or from damage from loud sources. One source says, "the highest frequency that a normal middle-aged adult can hear is only 12-14 kilohertz". So, might be a good idea to check hearing range (I think there are some tests online) before paying for sound that can't be heard.
I imagine that is also a contributing reason to why speaker sound is so subjective.
I think my system would look pretty stupid to stick and SVS in the middle of all my KLIPSCH speakers, thats said i'm going with the Klipsch RP440c
So all you care about it looks huh? Not all that glitters is gold.
I’m a little confused by your comment Home Theater Dude. Your suggesting that it’s a good idea to mix and match speakers in a home theater? I know you already know that’s it’s wise to timbre match LCR speakers. It’s kind of a all or nothing proposition. That’s the unfortunate thing about it. It’s a lot of work to swap out a complete HT speaker set up and hope that you will find your new choice an improvement! When you consider the new purchase and then having to sell your old system it’s actually a bit of chore...
Nice speakers a little over kill in my neck of the woods.
I know you like the svs ultra center speaker but have you heard the klipsch rc7 center? The rc7 specs out at 45hz to 20khz 200 watts 800 watts peak and 98 db efficiency! They have 2 8 inch drivers and sound just awesome ! Extremely clear and honestly the most realistic center speaker I have ever heard! You can hear a pin drop amd you also have awesome bass from the center! I have heard both and in my opinion the klipsch rc7 blows the svs prime center out of the water!
@Alan Whiteside klipsch rc7 ...google it!
@Alan Whiteside I'll make it easy for you......www.klipsch.com/products/rc-7-center-speaker
@Alan Whiteside please let me know you got it....thanks
Lindo
Am really missing a 6" center-speaker from klipsch
Hey man, don't underestimate centers with smaller drivers than mains. They're voice matched as close as you can get for a horizonal and vertical speakers that are 2 and 3 way sets. The center doesn't go as low but it doesn't need to.
I have a jbl studio 420 center with dual 4" mids with my studio 580 with 6.5" and the center is all they make even for the 590 with dual 8 inch. The voices come through very clean and actually adds clean sound to the larger woofers of the 580 - That is to say I prefer music with the center playing than in stereo mode with it off. Same with the Klipsch, I was only giving a more contrasting example. These are big speaker brands, JBL and Klipsch, give them some trust and respect, they deserve it. I never felt anything was missing between the 450c and 280f.
Home Theater Dude i am gonna buy a new 5.1.4 Home Theater System.. i lean towards Klipsch 280 RP with Denon 4500.. i think that Klipsch are definately value for money.. I like SVS but i think that the ultas model which propably are comparable to klipsch 280 are way too expensive..the svs prime model is comparable to which Klipsch model?
If you get speakers smaller than the ultras, put your budget into a really great sub. It will fill in the gaps of the lows from the rest of the speakers you chose. I know alot of this stuff isnt cheap. But the best practice is to buy and be happiest with your decision within your budget. The 280s are dirt cheap now since they are an older model now. You get great performance for low cost. Pair them with a 3000 series sub and you will be loving the setup. But then again. its all subjective so get what makes you happy. I love full thick bass.
unfortunately prices in Europe are different from those in US.. However i believe that Klipsch 280 RP are good value comparing to other brands(Kef, Svs Ultras) which are quite hard to buy.. im quite worried because may the klipsch will too harsch and produse higher frequances but because i will have the system mostly for movies maybe thats a good thing
That Home Theater Dude hey that’s exactly what I’m doing what do you think of this setup??? I bought a Marantz SR6013 for $899 then I got the 2 Klipsch Rp-280’s towers for $800 with 2 Klipsch R-41sa Dolby Atmos elevation speakers for $300 then I have 2 Definitive Technology 2 way Surrounds model sr9040 for $400. To have all 11 channels I was thinking of the Marantz 7025 2 channel 280watt external amp to power those Klipsch 280 towers. Just waiting on SVS to drop their prices either Labor Day or Black Friday do you have any insight on any upcoming deals I will use your links?! Cause I wanna get the SVS ultra center channel I heard people have ditched their Klipsch centers for that SVS 3-way center the voice clarity is insane. Then I wanna get 2 SVS PB-3000 subs might as well run duals to balance bass with 2 SVS ultra surrounds are the ultra surrounds one of the best that you have heard? And to top it off 2 SVS prime elevation Dolby Atmos making my setup a 7:2:4 this should blow my neighbor’s door off the hinges? Do you think that setup is pretty balanced? The SVS PB-3000’s look to be the best bang for your buck they are pretty powerful running duals right? Would the bass from duals cause gunshots and explosions in action packed video games make my chest pound or would I need to get the 4000’s or ultra 16’s for that?