I really wonder how much coaching is ever needed on form (and how often such efforts end up being neutral, harmful, or a sidetrack to something better one stumbles upon). If the weight is low enough, and progressive overload is then followed, then at the end of the day we are each the only scientist who intuitively knows/are their body (a universe of hidden responses inputed and generated, and felt) and can figure out how to make it move. I somewhat feel like learning any movement (e.g. deadlift) the best thing would be to see lots of people doing it, who are encouraging, and provide an internal locus of control, and then just reps to feel what is right for the individual and maybe some video to see how what feels right maps onto the external view. I'm really curious about this though and open to people/books/areas that explore this and finding out my model is wrong. It's cool to be empowered to just play with it and be your own curious scientist....
I think this has more to do with where you place your hands if you keep them narrow flaring your elbows generally feels weird if you keep them wide it would be very hard to tuck your elbows Also for pushing a car straight arms are actually best xd
Then why does arguably the best bench presser of all time, Jen Thompson, flare her elbows? Can you explain why it is more powerful OR safer to avoid flaring the elbows? And at which level of flare does it become weaker/dangerous. I think most people are clearly weaker keeping their elbows tucked perfectly to their sides. If they weren’t, close grip bench press would be stronger than wide grip bench press.
@SimonsterStrength I can't explain why one person's quirk makes them lift more, good for them, for most tho, a less flared position is better. and perhaps i should clarify what I mean by flared, I mean anything that put the elbow behind the shoulder joint or directly at the shoulder, anything less flared i consider better form, of course to a certain degree, around 45° is a good benchmark, but having ur elbows too close will result in less power because it is more triceps than chest. And to answer ur question about the safety issue. I think most people would be better off not engaging in extreme external rotation even if it did marginally improve their lift as it would greatly increase chance of injury. And remember by externally rotated I mean past the elbow at or past the shoulder, not tucked in one bit. now if an athlete has special mobility training to be able to handle benching like that, and has been doing it safely and progressively for years, that's great. however most lifters aren't like that and shouldn't follow that example.
Sometimes.. if it burns.. that means you havent worked put the right way. You shouldn't be comfortable while lifting. You should be pushing yourself beyond your limits. Just because your body is saying hey you should lift THIS way. Doesn't mean its proper lifting technique
Agreed, it also doesn’t make it bad technique. The fact that the one of the best benchers of all time doesn’t tuck her elbows suggests that you don’t need to tell people they must.
"this doesn't mean you should bench press with one foot in front of the other" LOL!! You gave a perfect example.
reasonable and simonsterpilled, every individual needs to feel it out for themselves instead of relying on words of others and taking them for reality
I really wonder how much coaching is ever needed on form (and how often such efforts end up being neutral, harmful, or a sidetrack to something better one stumbles upon). If the weight is low enough, and progressive overload is then followed, then at the end of the day we are each the only scientist who intuitively knows/are their body (a universe of hidden responses inputed and generated, and felt) and can figure out how to make it move. I somewhat feel like learning any movement (e.g. deadlift) the best thing would be to see lots of people doing it, who are encouraging, and provide an internal locus of control, and then just reps to feel what is right for the individual and maybe some video to see how what feels right maps onto the external view.
I'm really curious about this though and open to people/books/areas that explore this and finding out my model is wrong.
It's cool to be empowered to just play with it and be your own curious scientist....
I have no idea how to do anything anymore.
The way you feel strongest/best :)
Always great content man
He never missed leg day
I think this has more to do with where you place your hands if you keep them narrow flaring your elbows generally feels weird if you keep them wide it would be very hard to tuck your elbows
Also for pushing a car straight arms are actually best xd
I think ur taking the term leverage a little too literally, benching with flared elbows is both less powerul and less safe
Then why does arguably the best bench presser of all time, Jen Thompson, flare her elbows? Can you explain why it is more powerful OR safer to avoid flaring the elbows? And at which level of flare does it become weaker/dangerous. I think most people are clearly weaker keeping their elbows tucked perfectly to their sides. If they weren’t, close grip bench press would be stronger than wide grip bench press.
@SimonsterStrength I can't explain why one person's quirk makes them lift more, good for them, for most tho, a less flared position is better. and perhaps i should clarify what I mean by flared, I mean anything that put the elbow behind the shoulder joint or directly at the shoulder, anything less flared i consider better form, of course to a certain degree, around 45° is a good benchmark, but having ur elbows too close will result in less power because it is more triceps than chest. And to answer ur question about the safety issue. I think most people would be better off not engaging in extreme external rotation even if it did marginally improve their lift as it would greatly increase chance of injury. And remember by externally rotated I mean past the elbow at or past the shoulder, not tucked in one bit. now if an athlete has special mobility training to be able to handle benching like that, and has been doing it safely and progressively for years, that's great. however most lifters aren't like that and shouldn't follow that example.
Sometimes.. if it burns.. that means you havent worked put the right way. You shouldn't be comfortable while lifting. You should be pushing yourself beyond your limits. Just because your body is saying hey you should lift THIS way. Doesn't mean its proper lifting technique
Agreed, it also doesn’t make it bad technique. The fact that the one of the best benchers of all time doesn’t tuck her elbows suggests that you don’t need to tell people they must.
@@SimonsterStrengthcould you say her name, please? I bench press with flare elbows and want someone for inspiration.
How old are you