What i found is the amount of steering when entering the corner is exactly the opposite what you said. Toe-in on front axis indeed makes the car more stable on straits and the car wants to stay in this position when cornering. Because outer wheel has more grip, it indeed takes the control over the turning curve, but the inner wheel still have some grip and pushes the car out of the corner. And this is also true for real cars. Whoever drove a car without power steering knows, that it makes it hell to turn the steering wheel when you car have toe-in in the front. When you have toe-out in front, your car is less stable on straights, exactly how you described. When cornering it may look like you have to turn a bit more, but just when you do this, you have the control of the cornering curve on the outer wheel, ant inner wheel slightly pulls the front of the car inside the corner. Once more - exactly like in a real car. In fact, toe-out in front makes the car a little oversteer.
refreshing video a really good job… you explained the point very well I found it refreshing to not spend 30 minutes to get what you just gave us in far less time… And you did far more more accurately. Thank you so much
Bro this is the most imformative and yet simple put and easy to understand video/ guide i have came acrossed i finally understand this shit after 2 years of racing 😆
Except the information is inaccurate. How can toe out be both smoother into corners and more twitchy going straight? It can’t. Toe out is smoother into corners, through sweepers and going straight.
It really does make a difference in overall handling. Most times I can just change toe a little to get that steering feel just right. I always try that first. Toe in gives you a good locked in feel very forgiving. I tend to like my handling a little aggressive steering wise so I usually run a little toe out but if the track is dusty or slippery and it’s all over the place then toe in really does lock the car in place down the straight and thru the corners. Thank you for your comment🙂
Thanks for clearing this up. I've been trying to set my steering on neutral for straight aways. I thought I was doing something wrong because its wonky and won't keep straight away perfectly. I am going to try to in method hopefully solves the issue.
Hello I just ran into this problem in the hobby and I never had to mess with toe and camber for 3 or 4 years but now im having to realign my Rc car i just bought a rpm toe gauge can any one tell me what the best toe in or toe out and what degree would be best for the arrma granite 3s blx. I know it’s more of a basher Rc truck I seen other videos say like right at 0 degrees even or 1-2 degrees toe in would be good. But then another channel said toe out is better. I can’t get like a baseline number for these basher style Rc Trucks thanks. Any answers would help. I’m new to this problem and I have been having trouble😊 I would love to get it back to the stock way it was setup.
Sorry it took a while to reply beennaway for awhile. Toe out gives the feel of more steering and running softer suspension also helps when grip is low.
Awesome video. Glad it popped up for me. Curious if you have done any oval racing or anyone has experience. Wondering what toe in on right side and toe out on left would do. I’m guess turn left easy but difficult to drive straight
would you suggest to make the adjustment on the car stand or with the car with wheels on the ground? I noticed that when car is on the ground, shocks compress for car weight, and it tends to move toe-in the wheels. so on the stand I should have quite a big toe-out to compensate the toe-in effect when car is touching the ground with fuel and racign weight.. am I correct?. thank you.
Hi, just wondering if I understand this correct - so up front if toe in gives more corner entry and less exit, toe out gives less entry and more exit, surely zero toe (neutral) gives the same overall as it’s slightly less entry and slightly less exit, a balance of the other two? And why would either toe in or out better on cornering given there is always and entry to corner and an exit from corner? Sorry for noob question!
HelplessHawk it’s all dependent on the rest of your setup and track speed. On some tracks you find that corner entry is good but corner exit isn’t. Then with the same setup the same track a day later is different again mainly due to moisture in the track or other reasons so you find that you may need to make minor adjustments to get your steering just right on that track day. Tracks are ever changing it’s pretty crazy sometimes.
HYEonDEATHROW it’s not actually the diff height that changes the traction it’s the whole package. When you lower your diff height it’s because you lowered your axle height and lowered the overall ride height of the chassis. Lowering the diff just ensures that after lowering all those components that the drive axles stay level with the lowered axles and chassis components which yes gives much more response to direction changes due to cog being lower. It’s usually for carpet where there aren’t a lot of bumps so you don’t need as much ride height.
I run alot of toe out, and am faster and more stable? Your toe in keeping the chassis locked in... I dissagree. I think toe out locks it in, but this is what I like, not so sure of all the reasons but good video bro, subbed
Yeah thx for the comment. The toe in keeps it locked in more on the straights for me. I appreciate the sub. I don’t get to get on the tube much but I do hope any info helps.
I guesse it just depends on the person and the car how things are set up some people like thing’s different than other people is it true they say theires no right or wrong when I comes to toe in, toe out? Idk I heard that on another CZcams channel. Man keep making your videos your knowledge still helps some people. I don’t think any knowledge on these cars is bad. Thanks for being brave enough to share and post your thoughts and experience. I couldn’t do it I would get roasted in the comments😂 this hobby should be about fun and love not mean and hatefulness to one another.❤I’ve seen some really cruel comments people get into it over this hobby it makes me sad.😢 just because one person think theire right and the other thinks theire wrong. So they cuss each other.😢
@natedawg5150 Very true, people can be tough. I don't make videos that much because I don't want people to think I think I know it all. Anyway, I love this hobby and love tinkering and moding things. Thanks for your comment man! It is inspiring! I hope that others feel the same as you do... RC is Fun! I love racing, and in real life, most are very welcoming. I moved from Northern VA to North West NC and have met probably 200 people, through rc racing, alot of them are now my good friends. Thanks!
MP Drone Productions I was just trying to explain the effect of changing the toe on handling to get the steering just right in a way that hopefully would stick or make sense. But yes starting with good alignment is important and there are a couple ways to do it. Most guys will just eyeball it but I usually just measure between the ball cups and make sure it’s equal both sides. Then trim it on controller so it tracks straight. Sometimes I’ll even go back after all that and measure the front wheels at the inside of rim. Front of rim and rear of rim on both sides to make sure that adjustment is the same left to right. Hope that helps. But yes the main purpose of the vid was hopefully to understand how changing toe affects the steering. Thank you so much for commenting I really appreciate it👍🙂.
All of any other videos and explanation says the exact opposite of what your saying.. toe in DECREASE steering on corner entry but INCREASE on exit. And vaiseversa on toe out.. have you noticed that?
i mean it would make sense that toe in would increase steering on entry because the outside tire that a lot of weight gets transferred to is already pointing into the corner. same for the opposite exiting a corner.
I just wasted 10 minutes of my life. The title said SETTING the toe and its effect. You NEVER got to the part where you showed HOW to set the toe. Before anyone says it’s obvious there would be no reason to watch the video if it was obvious to everyone
You adjust toe with you steering linkage. Shortening the links give you toe out, lengthening the links makes toe in. Depending on your vehicle, rear toe is adjusted by the “pills” and/or your suspension holders. Some are marked with degree of toe in. You never run toe out in the rear. Good luck!!!
I also heard you never want to run positive camber either it can mess your car all up. So I heard on a Rc channel I’m inexperienced when it comes to toe and camber so if what I heard was wrong about never running positive camber don’t bite my head off please😂 newbies ain’t stupid we’re just new and inexperienced.❤😊 and need help from the pros, I know nobody said anything about camber but I though I’d throw that out Incase it can help anybody else new or not educated good enough yet on this problem.let me know if that is wrong though.
Alot of guys need to see this video, nice👍🏽👍🏽💯💯
What i found is the amount of steering when entering the corner is exactly the opposite what you said. Toe-in on front axis indeed makes the car more stable on straits and the car wants to stay in this position when cornering. Because outer wheel has more grip, it indeed takes the control over the turning curve, but the inner wheel still have some grip and pushes the car out of the corner. And this is also true for real cars. Whoever drove a car without power steering knows, that it makes it hell to turn the steering wheel when you car have toe-in in the front.
When you have toe-out in front, your car is less stable on straights, exactly how you described. When cornering it may look like you have to turn a bit more, but just when you do this, you have the control of the cornering curve on the outer wheel, ant inner wheel slightly pulls the front of the car inside the corner. Once more - exactly like in a real car. In fact, toe-out in front makes the car a little oversteer.
Best explanation on CZcams!!
Heard a lot of this over the years but you explained it very well. Watching your explanation helped so much!
Thank you!!
refreshing video a really good job… you explained the point very well I found it refreshing to not spend 30 minutes to get what you just gave us in far less time… And you did far more more accurately. Thank you so much
Bro this is the most imformative and yet simple put and easy to understand video/ guide i have came acrossed i finally understand this shit after 2 years of racing 😆
Except the information is inaccurate. How can toe out be both smoother into corners and more twitchy going straight? It can’t. Toe out is smoother into corners, through sweepers and going straight.
@@invisiblespeedrc in no form of racing do i know of where toe out makes going strait more stable.
@@dirtrider88 well it does and it’s a very simple explanation
When we are talking about the front
Thank you for taking time to share your experience. Very informative. Learning a lot.
Great video mate!
Great info! A friend at the track, told me to run with tow out, and I like it, havent tried tow in? Might test this out soon! Thanks for sharing!
It really does make a difference in overall handling. Most times I can just change toe a little to get that steering feel just right. I always try that first. Toe in gives you a good locked in feel very forgiving. I tend to like my handling a little aggressive steering wise so I usually run a little toe out but if the track is dusty or slippery and it’s all over the place then toe in really does lock the car in place down the straight and thru the corners. Thank you for your comment🙂
Thanks man. Great video. Now I get it
Nice explaination man, my real car has a bit of a toe out now after I hit a big pothole :))
excellent explanation ! Thanks
Awesome man best ever
Thanks for clearing this up. I've been trying to set my steering on neutral for straight aways. I thought I was doing something wrong because its wonky and won't keep straight away perfectly. I am going to try to in method hopefully solves the issue.
I learned what i needed to
Thanks
Hello I just ran into this problem in the hobby and I never had to mess with toe and camber for 3 or 4 years but now im having to realign my Rc car i just bought a rpm toe gauge can any one tell me what the best toe in or toe out and what degree would be best for the arrma granite 3s blx. I know it’s more of a basher Rc truck I seen other videos say like right at 0 degrees even or 1-2 degrees toe in would be good. But then another channel said toe out is better. I can’t get like a baseline number for these basher style Rc Trucks thanks. Any answers would help. I’m new to this problem and I have been having trouble😊 I would love to get it back to the stock way it was setup.
Great video! Best vid on the matter!
How would you set up a suspension if you wanted more oversteer or maximum oversteer?
Sorry it took a while to reply beennaway for awhile. Toe out gives the feel of more steering and running softer suspension also helps when grip is low.
Imma need ya help bro 😂
Awesome video. Glad it popped up for me. Curious if you have done any oval racing or anyone has experience. Wondering what toe in on right side and toe out on left would do. I’m guess turn left easy but difficult to drive straight
Low aSteam no I have never done oval racing so I can’t say really how different it is tuning wise🙂
would you suggest to make the adjustment on the car stand or with the car with wheels on the ground? I noticed that when car is on the ground, shocks compress for car weight, and it tends to move toe-in the wheels. so on the stand I should have quite a big toe-out to compensate the toe-in effect when car is touching the ground with fuel and racign weight.. am I correct?. thank you.
Nicola Zanetti yes I recommend setting for running weight. So battery installed and body on. That way the setup is adjusted for track weight.
Hi, just wondering if I understand this correct - so up front if toe in gives more corner entry and less exit, toe out gives less entry and more exit, surely zero toe (neutral) gives the same overall as it’s slightly less entry and slightly less exit, a balance of the other two? And why would either toe in or out better on cornering given there is always and entry to corner and an exit from corner? Sorry for noob question!
HelplessHawk it’s all dependent on the rest of your setup and track speed. On some tracks you find that corner entry is good but corner exit isn’t. Then with the same setup the same track a day later is different again mainly due to moisture in the track or other reasons so you find that you may need to make minor adjustments to get your steering just right on that track day. Tracks are ever changing it’s pretty crazy sometimes.
Any idea how to explain diff height? Why does higher diff get less traction when cg is higher?
HYEonDEATHROW it’s not actually the diff height that changes the traction it’s the whole package. When you lower your diff height it’s because you lowered your axle height and lowered the overall ride height of the chassis. Lowering the diff just ensures that after lowering all those components that the drive axles stay level with the lowered axles and chassis components which yes gives much more response to direction changes due to cog being lower. It’s usually for carpet where there aren’t a lot of bumps so you don’t need as much ride height.
I just want mine to go straight when im not steering
Aha ! Now I see
Please make video on schock positions-especially on the rear shocks-hiw does affect traction-cannt find any as good videos as yours on that:(
Thx! I will do that. I’ve been away awhile but I will get to it!🙂
I run alot of toe out, and am faster and more stable? Your toe in keeping the chassis locked in... I dissagree. I think toe out locks it in, but this is what I like, not so sure of all the reasons but good video bro, subbed
Yeah thx for the comment. The toe in keeps it locked in more on the straights for me. I appreciate the sub. I don’t get to get on the tube much but I do hope any info helps.
I guesse it just depends on the person and the car how things are set up some people like thing’s different than other people is it true they say theires no right or wrong when I comes to toe in, toe out? Idk I heard that on another CZcams channel. Man keep making your videos your knowledge still helps some people. I don’t think any knowledge on these cars is bad. Thanks for being brave enough to share and post your thoughts and experience. I couldn’t do it I would get roasted in the comments😂 this hobby should be about fun and love not mean and hatefulness to one another.❤I’ve seen some really cruel comments people get into it over this hobby it makes me sad.😢 just because one person think theire right and the other thinks theire wrong. So they cuss each other.😢
@natedawg5150 Very true, people can be tough. I don't make videos that much because I don't want people to think I think I know it all. Anyway, I love this hobby and love tinkering and moding things. Thanks for your comment man! It is inspiring! I hope that others feel the same as you do... RC is Fun! I love racing, and in real life, most are very welcoming. I moved from Northern VA to North West NC and have met probably 200 people, through rc racing, alot of them are now my good friends. Thanks!
Wish you would have showed us visual learners what to adjust to make your alingment straight :(
MP Drone Productions I was just trying to explain the effect of changing the toe on handling to get the steering just right in a way that hopefully would stick or make sense. But yes starting with good alignment is important and there are a couple ways to do it. Most guys will just eyeball it but I usually just measure between the ball cups and make sure it’s equal both sides. Then trim it on controller so it tracks straight. Sometimes I’ll even go back after all that and measure the front wheels at the inside of rim. Front of rim and rear of rim on both sides to make sure that adjustment is the same left to right. Hope that helps. But yes the main purpose of the vid was hopefully to understand how changing toe affects the steering. Thank you so much for commenting I really appreciate it👍🙂.
All of any other videos and explanation says the exact opposite of what your saying.. toe in DECREASE steering on corner entry but INCREASE on exit. And vaiseversa on toe out.. have you noticed that?
i mean it would make sense that toe in would increase steering on entry because the outside tire that a lot of weight gets transferred to is already pointing into the corner. same for the opposite exiting a corner.
I just wasted 10 minutes of my life. The title said SETTING the toe and its effect. You NEVER got to the part where you showed HOW to set the toe. Before anyone says it’s obvious there would be no reason to watch the video if it was obvious to everyone
You adjust toe with you steering linkage. Shortening the links give you toe out, lengthening the links makes toe in. Depending on your vehicle, rear toe is adjusted by the “pills” and/or your suspension holders. Some are marked with degree of toe in. You never run toe out in the rear. Good luck!!!
I also heard you never want to run positive camber either it can mess your car all up. So I heard on a Rc channel I’m inexperienced when it comes to toe and camber so if what I heard was wrong about never running positive camber don’t bite my head off please😂 newbies ain’t stupid we’re just new and inexperienced.❤😊 and need help from the pros, I know nobody said anything about camber but I though I’d throw that out Incase it can help anybody else new or not educated good enough yet on this problem.let me know if that is wrong though.
Would love to see someone set toe and camber for beginners