I will say I don't agree that Cal's decision to destroy the Holocron was random, there was a sequence where when he acquires it he's given a vision by the force that warns him of the consequences that will happen if he does use it, and I believe he uses that knowledge to make the decision. more of the thought process of "they'll be safer hidden than they ever would be with us"
This. I wonder why he thought it was random lol the story is very straight forward and simple to follow, not as simple as TFU (both games) but it’s definitely not complicated.
And don't forget that it doesn't happen all of a sudden either. Merrin is the first one to bring this up to him based on her own experience, which starts Cal down the path that maybe rebuilding the order isn't the best for those kids.
Yeah it's weird some people just don't get it. I mean it is kind of spelled out in visions, but also Cals whole journey can be seen as a reason to let the force sensitive kids choose their own fate, with all the danger he faced in such a short time span.
One major thing I really like about The Force Unleashed, even the sequel, is that it made you feel powerful as a Force User. Just the power of the lightsaber slicing through waves of enemies or force pushing your enemies was so satisfying, while still providing a level of challenge.
Where as in Fallen Order you’re just a kid with a giant glow stick. And both games are rated T, yet one actually has violence while the other is clearly made for 10 year olds
@@garrett1123 it doesn’t change anything other than your character dying faster. You don’t unlock any limb chopping or decaps. Your powers by comparison feel even weaker. Im not understanding your point
I never thought to compare these games, but it totally makes sense, they both are post Order 66 rots stories etc. yeah starkiller feels like a dark mirror version of Cal. Always great to see another Star Wars video Flandrew, thanks!
Uh, not to be that guy, but it kind of feels like Ezra would be the Light Mirror of Galen, not Cal. Cal is one of the three characters who had the essence of Kyle Katarn given to him, specifically the "Becoming a Jedi" part, or, more accurately, re-becoming a Jedi. He's literally gets a pistol in the Surviror (according to the promotion material) just to cement this in.
Man I just wish they would make more games in a different time period. Having all of these games take place during the OT/PT/ST really limits where the story can go/what villains you can have.
there is games like jedi knight: jedi academy, jedi knight: jedi outcast, and others, and I didn't even mention series of knight's of the old republic games, that takes places in 4k years BBY
Interesting, i was sitting about 2 minutes ago thinking, how great was Harry Potter series videos, and i want to watch it again, and pops up new video 😂
@@Revan-eb1wbYou really think that all the Things Cal do in Jedi Survivor is Padawan level? Cal is a Jedi Knight and even maybe a low class Jedi Master, he isn’t at the same level as Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda or even Plo Koon, but he is pretty strong.
The only thing I really miss from The Force Unleashed is the ability to take the enemies with the force, and move them for the screen with absolute liberty. That's a great feel of be someone with jedi powers
I feel like that's what any Force User fighting anyone who isn't also a Force User should be like. Just their telekinesis alone should make any "fight" between a Force User and a Non Force User a total joke. The only reason it isn't is in order to keep the Non Force Users relevant to the franchise.
Force Unleashed was clearly made by people who loved star wars (also had Lucas breathing down their necks lol) and knew how powerful Jedi were. Fallen Order was made by people who knew absolutely nothing about Star Wars and instead wanted to make a game pandering to little kids and “Disney adults”
I'm more of a Force Unleashed guy, but I did enjoy Fallen Order too, in spite of it being set in the Disney canon. On their portrayal of Vader - I think Force Unleashed gets slightly undercredited. Now don't get me wrong, Fallen Order absolutely nails what an encounter between Vader and a lowly Padawan should look like, TFU does do stuff with Vader's characterization. The very concept of Vader essentially adopting a child as his son in order to defeat the Emperor does give you an idea of how much he yearns for the life he could have had, and his betrayal of Starkiller is... I always interpreted it as Vader basically chickening out. That the Emperor somehow figured his plan out and Vader was afraid to make that final move and actually go through with it. It does work in the context of Vader and Palpatine's toxic relationship and Vader being dependent on Palps while also hating his guts. As well as his own, which the game does make a nod to, with PROXY serving as his holo body and then remarking "I hate being him" and Starkiller - who was raised by Vader and thus is bound to know him pretty well, replies "I think he does too". This mixture of complicated self-destructive emotions that Vader had to live with for almost two decades is exactly why he is my favorite Star Wars character and is one of my favorite characters of all time.
We also have to remember that The Force Unleashed is an unfinished trilogy. The plan was for the third game to ultimately be an exercise in Vader using the clone (if that didn’t wind up being retconned) of Galen Marek to achieve his own ends and get all the way back into the Emperor’s good graces while ending with a battle that *properly* framed his abilities with the Force against Starkiller’s. Instead of a more or less matched battle between (rough) equals, it is Vader unleashing the Force on you for a change. Every stage in the battle is the player’s every effort being set against increasingly terrifying displays of Vader’s prowess with a lightsaber and his Force abilities as such that you realize that Vader has been toying with Marek/Starkiller for the entire trilogy up to this moment and is FINALLY ready to kill him, his purpose in Vader’s design fulfilled in its entirety. You did not actually beat him before. Only now do you realize you never could. It pains me that we never got that and I wish fans could organize enough to convey to Disney and Lucasfilm that making a product that’s set in the old canon’s EU would sell well enough to justify the expense of its development.
@@LtDavidB312I didn't know there was supposed to be a third game... but were the story-plans always meant to make this a trilogy, was that planned from the start?
@@goranisacson2502 I don’t recall if it was a from-the-very-beginning plan (I mean, the first game felt like at least two games smashed together and abbreviated into one), but it definitely became a planned trilogy once the sequel was greenlit.
something that lives in my head is the thought that *(IMO)* the only real difference between anakin and luke is the fact that luke had at least one person (old obi wan) who sorta knew how to be supportive after he lost his aunt/uncle, whereas anakin had qui-gon and young obi wan who I'd both describe as "emotionally constipated" at best, and then palpatine... so the whole toxic relationship, self-loathing, resentment, etc makes a lot of sense for Vader.
"Your feelings for her arent real' "THEY ARE REAL TO ME" is one of the hardest lines in star wars history. I dont care what anyone says watching vader get electrocuted with kaminos lightning is among the top 10 goosebump moments in the franchise
Kinda crazy how similar these games are but also completely different 😂Let's hope Jedi Survivor doesn't take too many notes from Force Unleashed 2. Also, Starkiller has nothing on Cal's collection of ponchos.
I love The Force Unleashed's narrative is of how the Empire created their own demise. Its plot is more so an integral bridge between the first two trilogies of the Skywalker saga then. I love how the game handles the force like a video game would be expected to. It works because everyone else in the game is unleashed with the force, but it would be too over the top for a movie/show experience. Overall it is a good piece of nostalgia before Disney's take on Star Wars. The lightsaber combat isn't as strong especially when it's treated like a police baton and most force powers aren't utilized within the environment in terms of exploration and more so combat. Overall it's a fun sandbox to play in again and again. Fallen Order is a breath of fresh air with Disney's take on Star Wars because it's not integral to the Skywalker saga, but is told within the dark times with the same level of seriousness as Andor. I love how it's a personal story about how characters in the Star Wars universe work together and bond by their traumas. By far it has the best lightsaber combat in my opinion and I love how the Force is utilized more for the environment in exploration rather than just a means to see what I can destroy. The Force Unleashed is absolutely fun in terms of combat with the force, but Fallen Order wins because it is embedded in the narrative, environment and combat much more fluidly. The lightsaber combat in The Force Unleashed is basic and simplified, while you have to think tactively more in Fallen Order and it's much more rewarding when you understand it. While Galen Marek has my favorite redemption arc for a character in the Star Wars universe, Cal Kestis is much more relatable. Galen is much more interesting in the novelization based on the game, however because he is much more fleshed out as you would expect from a book perspective. As for the crew I absolutely love Proxy much more than anyone else on Cal's team. He's like a twisted training simulator and record keeper droid that has wholesome character development. Juno Eclipse is much more interesting in The Force Unleashed novelization, but Merrin from the video game perspective is much more enjoyable instead of just being a deliberate love interest. Although Juno is a much more enjoyable pilot than Greez. Cere Junda is a much more enjoyable mentor than Rahm Kota and Darth Vader from the games alone. Darth Vader is only interesting because of the history of his character and not just from the base game alone in The Force Unleashed. However, Fallen Order has a much more enjoyable final boss than The Force Unleashed. Mainly because Fallen Order understands how to insert canon and The Force Unleashed (good ending) in the end is a typical self sacrifice approach without trying to explore the original trilogy in a way you'll never see in the films. (Hence why the PSP version explores a broken and entertaining historical missions option of exploring moments from the original and prequel trilogy of Star Wars.) I get my comment is a "too long and I didn't read" inevitability and will drift into comment section purgatory, but it's better to express my thoughts for the silent majority willing to read what I have to say.
@Slywerk First things first the final boss in The Force Unleashed is Emperor Palpatine. You fight Darth Vader before and you get to fight Vader again as an evil ending fight by creating an alternate reality with DLC. Second of all when I'm talking about the Fallen Order game being a breath of fresh air I'm talking about the narrative for Star Wars fans.
So many newer Star Wars stuff are taken directly or inspired by Force Unleashed. Look at the way Maul was reintroduced in Rebels by Dave Filoni. Crazy force user living on a junk planet and moving around with spider legs. That's the same as Kaz Paratus in Force Unleashed. More recently we saw Obiwan inside the Inquisitor fortress rescue Leia in a big dark room where he would turn his lightsaber off to hide in darkness. That is straight from the Force Unleashed 2 trailer.
@@Quirderph 2005 dark horse comic Old Wounds had a Maul with longer horns and robot legs but that seems to be the inspiration for what Maul look like after he goes from spider legs to 2 legs. The spider legs and crazy state he was found in on the junk planets seems to be more Kardan Paratus. There is many more stuff inspired from Force Unleashed too. Kanan Jarus going blind from a lightsaber wound is just like Kota.
Both portray the same Vader it is just that one portrays a Vader fighting someone who knows nothing about him or his techniques where the other shows Vader being outclassed by his student who has thus become the master. If anything I’d say Prologue Force Unleashed Vader is the best representation of Vader we’ve ever gotten. Also given that Force Unleashed had a whole story and dlc line based around the none canon ending to the game was pretty sick and made that ending feel worth it.
Sam Witwer has said in live streaming that the story for the 3rd game would have made it clear that Vader was more powerful and everything that happened in the first 2 games was just part of his plan. He described a scene where Starkiller and Vader argued like Starkiller: I beat you. Vader: Because I let you. Starkiller: I cut your hand! Vader: These? these are not my hands, I don't have hands.
To be honest, Palpatine first played around with Starkiller to try and turn him to the Dark Side. Also to note, if you chose the Dark Side option, Starkiller tries to kill Palpatina and Palpatine just beats him with ease.
I'm grateful for both of these games and when they came out. I don't think I would have had the patience for Fallen Order as a kid and loved The Force Unleashed. I find The Force Unleashed a bit overbearing now and really appreciate the more subtle and skill based approach of Fallen Order as an adult. Both games are great in their own right.
Both games are great in their own ways. I have so many fond memories of playing the different ports of The Force Unleashed along with reading its novelization. And even though I love Fallen Order, it was definitely a little short. I think 2-4 more levels would’ve made the game a masterpiece but it’s still a game I can pick up and play again and again the same amount as Force Unleashed.
Unleashed allowed your inner Jedi fantasies to come to life. The lightsaber combos and force lightning was just unreal, he really showed so much power it felt like you were on GOD mode the entire game. Very fun, very fast pace. Fallen Order has so much more story behind it, puzzles, and realism. I mean you go to a planet, you land, u discover everything you need to, you have to make your way back to the ship often through puzzles and enemies, get on the ship, actually go to the nav computer, choose your next destination, actually go to the cockpit, and witness the ship lifting off the surface of the planet you just explored, watching it leave the atmosphere, go into hyperspace, sit down for the landing, watch it enter the atmosphere of another planet, and land. Then physically go and walk off the ship, and start your next planet journey, it's truly amazing what they did, they brought the star wars universe to life in a way that's never been done before. Two completely different takes on video games, but both amazing in their own right, Truly.
I would say rather than "their destiny should be trusted to the force," the actual reason Cal destroyed the holochron is because it's better that no one has their hands on it, than one party or the other. The reason the Force sensitive children shouldn't be found isn't because they're kids and shouldn't be on the run from the empire isnt the reason, it's because it's more likely that the children be eventually captured and turned into inquisitors. I feel like they didnt elaborate on this in the ending scene of the game but it's alright because it's heavily implied earlier on. Also if you watch all the interactions between the crew while just sitting on the landing pads in the planets, (most people skip them) you'll see that they discuss this a lot and merrin convinces cal that the children should just be left alone. And that first reason (about leaving the children alone so they dont have to be on the run from the empire) doesnt make any sense because cal and the crew are on the run from the empire too, and when the next generation of jedi (luke skywalker) begins his training, he's also on the run from the empire and his life is changed the same way they describe the lives of the children on the holochron.
The inquisitors actually were a thing in the EU continuity as well. They were more of a “powerful evil wizard with their own military and political ambitions” type of thing, unlike the new canon inquisitors who are assassin agents hunting down the remaining Jedi across the galaxy. Starkiller was Vader’s secret apprentice, so he didn’t belong to an imperial inquisition officially, but at the same time there were others who did
The Force Unleashed is more fun purely from a gameplay perspective, but I found the narrative in Fallen Order to be so engrossing, that it made up for some of the more tedious segments. It also nailed the environmental storytelling made popular by the Soulslike genre. You get to piece together other stories that didn't involve Cal, but that he sees the consequences of, and you get a sense of much larger things happening in the galaxy outside the main story. And I dunno, I actually really liked the ancient temples. I like the idea that there are/were other cultures in the galaxy that saw and used the Force very differently than the Jedi and the Sith. It leans more into the fantasy side of Star Wars, and less into the sci-fi side, and I dig that.
wow, this was a GREAT comparison! The way Galen and Cal are opposite to each other in so many ways was beautifully described here. The one thing missing is the mention of which version of TFU is being compared: I know this one is supposed to be the official one, but I played the PS2 version first, so I have kind memories of it.
Flandrew my boy it's always a treat to see another video of yours! Here I am nursing my newborn (with a bottle, I am a Thomas after all) and your videos never cease to entertain me!
Cal destroying the Holocron wasn't random, it was half the story of the game. Between his vision from the Force, his Master and what Merrin said, he was conflicted the entire time on what to do with the Holocron, finally deciding to trust in the force and let the fate of those children be.
I like to think that Cal's fight with Vader shows us how the rest of the galaxy perceives him, this monster who is completely unstoppable and will hunt you down without difficulty or remorse. Meanwhile Starkillers fight with Vader is supposed to hold a mirror to Vader with both Anakin and Starkiller being very similar in several ways such as: -both are incredibly powerful with their connection to the force even at a young age -both are trained by a jedi who in someway fails them (Obi-wan fails Anakin by being too stubborn to admit that Anakin should be trained by an actual jedi master and not just a knight while Kota fails Starkiller by being an alchoholic and a massive pessimist) -both have a woman that they fall in love with and for the sake of that woman's protection decide to join the other side of the war -both are fatally wounded by the Emperor in order to save people they love -if you choose dark side for Starkiller both are almost killed and then resurrected as a mechanical monster with breathing problems made to serve the Emperor -both are betrayed because of their own actions (Starkiller is betrayed when Vader, who Starkiller thought had trust in him, attacks and captures the rebels, while Anakin feels betrayed by Obi-wan in the iconic scene your are all thinking of. -both defeat their former master who if they decide to kill will lead to their failure -and both have a quirky robot companion that they end up abandoning (R2-D2 gets left on Mustafar while Proxy ends up dying but we learn in the DLC that he could have been salvaged and survived)
Force Unleashed is nostalgic but I just feel like Fallen Order had more gravitas. The combat was more engaging and kept you on your toes. The story and Cal as a character just made more sense canonically. I just loved how they really emphasised the scale on everything too - the world design was phenomenal. On top of that, it's visuals were stunning and the cast did really well as their characters to the point you could actually see them making a TV series with them. Fallen Order was one of those rare occasions I actually completed a game, even going for all the collectables and I'm hoping the sequel delivers like Fallen Order did.
6:42, Most Jedi Padawans go through Trials and puzzles to create their first lightsaber and to rank up to the rank of Jedi Knight. Which is what Cal is doing during Fallen Order growing from a Force Crippled Padawan to a Fully Blown and Well Put Together Jedi Knight.
Considering Respawn is known for making multiplayer games (and specifically first person shooters), I can see their justification for adding in so many varied elements to Fallen Order. They'd never made a story driven action game in the way EA had requested, so they essentially HAD to look at industry trends and mash them together to get an at least passable result with a project they had never really worked on before.
I would love to see a port of Force Unleashed to update the graphics to modern standards. It's still my favorite SW game, though I did enjoy Fallen Order as well.
Both are fantastic games what amazed me in Fallen order is that Cal set out on mission's with out having basic force skills that many padwans have before going in the field skills like Force push,pull levitate double jump and yet he survived a great deal of predetor and Imperial encounters before he accuired those important skills with Galen dude was already skills and powerfull and ready to rock.
What I didn't like about The Fallen Order was those bottomless platforms, It reminded me of the Super Mario games, the only thing Cal needed was to tell "yoohoo" "ah ha!"
I loved Force Unleashed as a kid, it felt great to be a powerful force wielded but after finishing Fallen order I felt so sad the journey was over and so compelled to replay it. It felt like a true successor or other side of the coin from what was happening in unleashed, and in the end I think Fallen order ended up being my preferred pick of the two. Both are amazing and I can’t wait for Survivor to come out this month.
I like That Star Wars the force unleashed had way more interactive environments and you could just pick stuff up and throw it and break stuff and pick anyone up and toss them off into space and stuff. I wish you could do that in the newer game.
the force unleashed had such a fresh, creative story. Playing as the secret apprentice of Darth Vader ordered to hunt down the remaining jedi masters but slowly turning to the light side was something we hadn't seen before
Jedi: Fallen Order is Tomb Raider with Lightsabers. That alone isn't an issue, but when Fallen Order started to send me back to the same Planets I spent hours climbing around, I had to turn it off.
I always go back to play force unleashed and enjoy it every time, where as fallen order I've played once and haven't had any feeling to go back to it. It he hack and slash game play I feel is replayable where the puzzle solving and world exploring is kinda just a one and done no reason to go back to it
Huh, these comparisons aren't exactly groundbreaking thought-work in a vacuum, but I hadn't considered how both of them being shaped by gameplay trends ultimately turn them into two very different stories, and how well they both seem to be informed by gameplay- Starkiller as a destructive hack and slash X-TREEEME force, Cal as a slower, less capable and more somber person. One being the sort of engineered prodigy, one more or less just being "A Guy" albeit one that's force-sensitive, just trying to make it through the day. Galen the star athlete of high school, Cal as just an average student, if that makes sense? I'd honestly like to see a cross-over of sorrs between them now with this dynamic in mind, but alas we do not live in a world that allows for that... least we resort to fan-fic, that is.
Very well put, love the analogy. I like it cause its like small scale vs large scale. Starkiller has superman level power. Cal has spiderman level power. Cal is more relatable in a way and has different struggles, starkiller literally fights planets full of enemies and takes on the entire empire rather than just surviving.
I've never actually finished Force Unleashed. Something about it just kinda never hooked me? I should restart the game and give it another go. I love Fallen Order and I cannot wait for Jedi Survivor next month.
I'm not sure how to feel about the takes on Darth Vader anymore. Before Disney rebooted the canon, I kind of hated how everything from the prequels to the Expanded Universe made Vader seem pretty weak. It felt like every time some new Star Wars thing came out someone was kicking the crap out of Vader. I really didn't like that Starkiller schooled Vader and the Emporer so thoroughly. Disney's approach of making Vader scary felt like a breath of fresh air. Rogue One, Fallen Order, Obi-Wan all made Vader intimidating. But now it feels like we are in a legasequel era where every piece of media (even outside Star Wars) exists to elevate the importance of what came before it rather than standing on its own. Either way, I spend too much time thinking about Star Wars :P
You could play the first level of Force Unleashed with Vader as a Demo on PS3. One of my greatest gaming moments. I was so hyped for that game and it freaking delivered.
Both games are just awesome. Both are a must play to everyone who loves the Franchise and I can't wait for the Jedi Survivor release already! I am playing Fallen Order again to get everything fresh in my mind and my muscle memory on point to play the sequel, but damn you activated that Force Unleashed ich on me now prolly will play it after I am done with the New Game + from FO.
Also I do prefer Force Unleashed as it feels like a completed product at the end of the day. When I bought Fallen Order it felt like a unfinished idea of a game with to much going for it and a lot of bugs. The A.I for the Empire was pretty subpar and felt like a rail shooter the climbing would glitch out and made Kahyykk that should’ve been my favorite level the worst, and overall I just don’t enjoy the villains as much as I did in the Force Unleashed. The Inquisitors felt like pushovers with Vader being the only truly scary individual in the room. Trila was scary to as she atleast was a menace but she turned back to the light at the end and ended up not being what I was hoping for.
This just makes me want to see a Cal Vs Star Killer in Jedi 3. Obviously SK's origin would have to be different. But seeing Sam Witwer in a star wars game again would be so amazing
I really love the exploration heavy Jedi Fallen Order. I don't mind back tracking. When done right - like in Metroid, Resident Evil, Castlevania , ...- it adds, not detracts- from the gameplay.
I personally enjoy the backtracking, since I love the different environments and geography of the planets in Star Wars. Also, I feel like backtracking is a nice change of pace and allows you to have another opportunity to explore and look for secrets and whatnot as you go back to where you came from
I was also kind of meh on the ending of Fallen order, with Cal destroying the holocron, it kinda makes the journey feel a little unresolved. However the holocron needs to be destroyed to maintain canon, and i think it would have been better to destroy it during the fight between Cal, Cere and Vader in the tunnel: *this occurs just after vader stabs Cal and knocks Cere back* Cal is on the ground recovering, Vader pulls the holocron, Cere pulls it back resulting in a tug of war, Cere is about to lose her grip and Cal slashes it out of desperation, Cere taunts Vader for failing to get the list of children, then the scene plays out as normal, "such hatred" etc. At least then they are forced to destroy it, giving up on good it could have done to prevent the inevetible bad that it will be used for, in the regular ending they could have just hidden it again, the empire never would have found it without them in the first place.
I completely agree, it was meh and destroying the cron in battle would have been spontanious and a new sign of rebellion against vader to his face. Once they got away and the focus was on the cron i already knew he was going to destroy it. It made the whole thing anticlimactic. Overall fantastic game though.
Cal literally gets a vision of him turning to Dark Side/warning him before he acquires the Holocron and canon are not, cal has no power to fight against forces like Vader. So definitely not a meh ending and it makes more sense than usual tug of war action trope where no one gets the treasure.
It was necessary, though. There is no point in trying to gather the force sensitive children who may be with or against the idea on another Jedi order. Cal saw the force visions and what will happen if he does so . He even becomes an inquisitor. He made the right decision of letting the children choose their own paths through the force itself.
Galen is my favorite Star Wars character. I wish they would put him in a series but considering how much Disney shits on Star Wars he might be better left alone.
To me i love the force unleashed because it's a literal powertrip of an experience while fallen order is more of a grounded experience to me. I would have loved if FU had a combat arena like GOW ghost of sparta (where you can fight endless hords of enemies of your choice) and i would have loved if FO had more emphasis on force abilities. They are such different games but one thing about them in common is that they are a fun experience worth trying
@@thecaptain4630 ohhhhhh. Yeah i heard the (no offense) downgraded versions have WAY more content like the wii version, i would have loved to play the arena endlessly
I think Force Unleashed might have an edge, but Fallen Order set up for a sequel a lot better. Force Unleashed 2 did about as well as it could, but Jedi Survivor has so much it can do just with the characters the first game introduced, not to mention the stuff teased by the trailer. If executed well, it could really expand on the areas the first game was lacking in.
I hope that in Star Wars Jedi survivor we will still be able to frequently climb and swing on ropes and climb up walls and wall run and parkour like you do in fallen order
Kashyyyk was the worst. I missed a chest at the top of the tree. I wasted more than an hour trying to get back up and then having to climb back down and return to my ship. They put the bird creature about 1/3 of the way up the tree so you think you can fast travel to the top but nope... it takes you BACK to the bottom. I was so pissed.
@@chamoo232 I played this game like 4 years ago , then I play it at last week again, but I'm still remind me that are something there at in the trees! Maybe I'm just a good player to this game 😆
I really tried to get in Fallen Order and gave it a fair chance. But it always felt like a boring uncharted game with a star wars skin. Force Unleashed on the other hand altways feels like star wars on steroids hyperdrive mode, just pure electric fun.
Dude exactly. The whole time I was playing fallen order I kept saying, oh that's like uncharted (traversal), oh that's like god of war (exploration/collectibles) and not to mention the poor man's sekiro combat. Boring overall and pretty forgettable story. Force unleashed is exactly what you described. Pure fun
Great video Flandrew. I wasn't sure was Fallen Order was supposed to be compared to Force Unleashed (especially the good ole PSP version). It looks like it has a lot of modern gaming tropes unfortunately. I wonder if it's in any way replayable like Force Unleashed where choices can matter.
Plot wise? No, the story is what it is. Granted, even The Force Unleashed only really had alternate endings, which is less than they promised during development.
i think the major difference between the 2 fights with Vader is not actually Vader who is different as much as the character that's seeing him. Even having gotten older and stronger Cal is still just thinking and acting like a jedi padawan, hes holding the base beliefs of the jedi order and kinda trying to figure out how they hold up in the modern galaxy. When Cal faces Vader he is seeing what is to him the most powerful force user to date and everything Vader does just pushes his fear of him more. Starkiller was raised by Vader for most of his life, he was trained by Vader to kill Darth Sidious, Jedi masters were practice towards this goal and he was taught there are no limits to the force. When the time came to fight Vader he did not see an unstoppable force user, he saw a weak coward bowing to another.
How is it that you keep making videos that I thought would only exist in my imagination? It's like you're reading my mind lol. I love your content, and I look forward to your comparison of The Force Unleashed II and Jedi Survivor, should you decide to make one.
While I prefer TFU1 to Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor hasn't come out yet, I think it's safe to say that comparing TFU2 to it would be like beating up a baby. A handicapped baby. It's gonna be a miracle if TFU2 wins that one.
@@gnbman Well, I can't take that away from you, I guess. Me, I... it was painful. Because the core gameplay, the feel from the lightsabers, the controls, that was massively improved from TFU1. But the actual levels... had about one hour of content stretched across four hours.
I loved both for diffrent reasons and I feel like they could easily revisit force unleashed like God of war was revamped, I'd love to see a republic commando review or the of battlefronts! patiently waiting for the next video man
Personally I Like the Lightsaber Combat Far Better in the Jedi Knight Series with Kyle Katarn! I Only Wish They Continued with That and Built Upon it Over Time!
It'd certainly be an interesting comparison. Never played the Wii U version, but I have played the PC and DS versions. Hoo boy was the DS version a thing. If you thought the touch screen combat of the first game on DS was a bad choice, TFU2 made it much worse. Never made it beyond the first part of the return to Kamino.
Imagine sam witwer showing up in a star wars series somewhere playing as galen. It was so cool in the games to see a character fight vader that wasn't really a do goody jedi.
They're both amazing games, but I think Force Unleashed just takes it for me. Fallen Order was just too slow. I think it's issue is when it's firing on all cylinders it's amazing, but the bits in between just make progression feel like a chore.
"You could almost think of Starkiller as a proto inquisitor." Actually no, Starkiller was around long after Inquisitors already existed as well. Jerec, the main villain of Dark Forces 2 was actually the original grand inquisitor. In old canon they just weren't as prominent but their purpose was more or less the same, they also didn't have uniforms nor shared that whole helicopter saber thingy. They were just dark jedi that served the emperor and hunted jedi while in disguise usually.
Plus calling Starkiller an inquisitor is insult to his character because he is Darth Vader secret apprentice to help him take down the emperor pretty much fulfilling the rule of two tradition of the Sith plus there is no doubt that Starkiller would destroy the whole inquisitors.
@@jaieregilmore971 yeah Star killer is more of an actual Sith IMO than an inquisitor one of the only Sith to be only trained in Sith ways since childhood besides Maul & Palps
They were dismantling the ships at the beginning of Fallen order for parts to build Empire war machines. So Cal and Star Killer were witnessing the same process just at different parts of the assembly line
I love it when Vader is depicted as an unstoppable force, slowly advancing, and cutting off all hope of escape. He is a monster and you are his prey. He isn't in a hurry. He'll get you at his own pace, no matter what you do or how you run. I wasn't a big fan of the beating he got in the Force Unleashed, regardless of how incredibly good it felt in the moment.
i mean, i liked the force unleashed because it showed how a true force user could be so beastly. THe ass wooping wasn't that much of a surprise either, always understood it as "so THAT's what the emperor means by "squandered potential" on vader", he's a shadow of his former self, a true monster, like star killer, or palpatine himself, still wrecks him.
He gets his moment of monstrosity in the tutorial, when he basically just wades through the hordes of wookies and beats the breaks off a runaway Jedi. The fight in the Death Star works on several levels: For one, it's cathartic for Starkiller to get back at him after Vader backstabbed him twice (once literally). It also helps to illustrate the kind of character Starkiller is: No longer a Sith, not truly a Jedi, and all the more powerful for it, as he is able to harness his own emotions without losing himself. What's Vader's stakes in that fight? Self-preservation? Vader absolutely loathes himself. Hatred? Vader harbours no hatred towards Starkiller, he's been a useful tool and it's merely regrettable that he inevitably needs to be put down. Concern for the emperor? Vader is loyal, but he hates the emperor just as much as himself. Of course Vader doesn't wanna lose, but you need to consider that at this time in the lore, he's pretty much dead inside. He doesn't really see purpose again until he finds out about Luke. For Starkiller on the other hand, it's a different story. He absolutely despises Vader for using him and betraying him. He fears for the safety of his friends. He wants to prove to himself that he can break free from Vaders control and determine his own destiny. Also, it's uniquely a different situation. People don't just go after Vader. Every time Vader shows up as a terrifying force of destruction, he's on the offense, pursuing his prey. Someone attacking Vader because they know they have to get past him is a new situation.
@@cseijifja precisely! Lucas stated mace beat palps fair and square in their duel and though mace tapped into dark side energy he was far from a sith. Galen was purely an assassin and having had all that time to steep himself in the dark before learning the light, then combining it all? Galen locked lightsabers with his master many times during training, fighting to the point that he passed out from exhaustion. He had plenty time to study his master's methods and fighting style. He used Juyo, Shien and Soresu, the most aggressive style and the best defensive one, combined with lightning (vader kryptonite), and the fact that vader himself was much slower but still underestimated galen and it's not that unbelievable that he lost the encounter. The emperor saw the potential in him for a reason lol.
Tbh, after outcast I thought force unleashed was arcade platforming garbage. Tho taken out of context tfu is very good. Same for the new ones but it will always irk me that the light saber is basically a bat now.
The lightsaber combat in Force Unleashed can be excused for not being that great in part because it's not a lightsaber game. It's a force power game. The gameplay is all about "kicking someone's ass with the force" as the developers have said. They did improve the lightsaber combat in the sequel at least.
Jedi Outcast is my favorite Star Wars game precisely because the lightsaber combat was fantastic, but The Force Unleashed is more about Force powers than lightsaber combat and it does that very well. My dream Star Wars game was always to combine Jedi Outcast’s lightsaber combat with The Force Unleashed’s Force powers to be a true Jedi God. Neither Jedi Fallen Order nor Survivor is like that, though they definitely weren’t intending to so that’s okay.
Inquisitors, and their Legends predecessors, Acolytes have the distinction of being limited in how much they're allowed to learn to prevent them from becoming a danger to the Rule of Two. In the original Clone Wars, Count Dooku is forced to hunt down Asajj Ventress when Darth Sidious notices her becoming too powerful. Starkiller however, is a secret apprentice, trained with the express intent of betraying and overthrowing Sidious. Secret apprentices are a classic rite of passage for Legends Sith, who as Shaak Ti is quick to point out, have a long and storied history of betrayal
I personally prefer force unleashed. One reason is nostalgia as i remember playing it in 2015 over and over again and the other reason is the story. I love the characters introduced by the force unleashed, especially Kota, kazdan paratus, starkiller and proxy. I also prefer the pick up and play style of it. With fallen order, levels and environments are so large you have to carve out time whereas with force unleashed, if i want to kill 20 minutes then i can replay a dlc or a level without having to restart the game tp replay specific moments. Just mpo
If only Starkiller wasn't so overpowered and heavily disruptive towards both canon and legends, it would have been very cool to bring him back to intertwine his story with Cal's. I could be wrong having never played those games , but according to what I've seen here and there about the story of Force Unleashed, looks like his interactions with Vader in particular couldn't fit in canon storyline even if wanting to. Nonetheless I'd be more than happy being proved wrong if someone coming from a better knowledge of that arc could make sense of a rivalry between the two, providing an high stakes foe for Cal to face I know, I'm going way way too far 😂 It's this never ending wait for the game's fault! 😢
Starkiller is not overpowered. EVERYONE in Force unleashed is overpowered. It's force powers cranked to 11. Vader does crazy stuff in the intro level. Even Rahm Kota is more powerful than any Jedi or Sith we ever saw in the movies. That's the concept of the games. They are like telltales retelling by witness who exaggerate all the facts. People often say that Starkiller should not be able to beat Vader and Palpatine. Well he didn't. He died while they both walked off. Sam Witwer also said on stream that the 3rd game was going to show Vader's true power and that everything that happens in the 2 first games was part of his plan. Starkiller beat Vader because Vader let him.
Lol well my advice to you not playing TFU is no lol I do not recommend putting Star killer against Cal if he’s anything like the original he’s literally a kid who got kidnapped and trained by Vader his entire life 😅 I didn’t even find him overpowered I just thought hey this is what Vader would teach his student to be like
Star killer isn't OP, even if you ignore that it was to be revealed that vader let him win, starkiller has an extreme efficiency with force lightning, which is what gives him a chance vs vader, and in every instance where it's lore and not gameplay, in every version of the story, starkiller doesn't even hold a candle to palpatine
The Force Unleashed kept me interested all the way through. In large sections of Fallen Order I was just bored with "oh good another puzzle" being said sarcastically quite often. It wasn't even as if the puzzles were badly designed in Fallen Order but they really stood out as they were also clearly designed for the purpose of slowing the player down rather than feeling like an integral part of the level.
Jedi: Fallen Order version of Vader was a Horror movie. Since Vader person train Starkiller then if Cal encounter Starkiller then Starkiller would be scary and overwhelming. Imagine if he meet him in the Survivor and Starkiller knocked Cal around and then bended his crossguard lightsaber to his neck and asked him: "I don't need to kill you with my blade. You own will do the job nicely." But then Starkiller lets Cal go and reminds him that no matter how far in the Force he gets, fear this the weapon of Sith and Jedi, even if Jedi aren't aware of it. Still, both games and their sequels (with their pros and cons) are great games.
When Fallen Order first came out, I decided to replay Force Unleashed first because all of these parallels did occur to me. I came to a lot of the same conclusions you did; they're both products of their time. I think TFU had a bit better overall story (especially in fitting with the canon of the time) with a grander scope, but JFO had a bit better characters (such to the point that I was deeply disappointed that the NPCs didn't get a bigger role, something confirmed to be remedied in the sequel). The one weakness that both games have is a lack of player choices, so the story feels a little bit on rails. TFU does at least have the alternate dark side ending, but JFO gets nothing. I hope Jedi Survivor ends up having ways the player can influence the story as opposed to just going along with it. I mostly prefer the gameplay of JFO; the movement is better (especially given TFU's frustrating issues in regards to dash-jumping), and the combat is INFINITELY more satisfying to me; TFU basically just comes down to button mashing your way through entire armies, but in JFO, fights feel like actual fights with real stakes and wins feel well earned. The one edge I'll give TFU in terms gameplay is that its intuitive system of moving objects around with the Force was sorely missed when dealing with some of the more frustrating puzzles requiring the same mechanic in JFO. I think the locations in both games are really well done and have a fair bit of aesthetic variety, although JFO's are prettier overall (that said, it's mostly due to graphical advancements over the decade between the two). The backtracking in JFO can be a bit irritating, especially if you're lost, but sadly this is a inevitable side-effect of all Metroidvania-style games. That said, while there were some unlockable shortcuts in the game, it definitely could have had more, particularly after key story moments. The devs said that any sort of quick travel would defeat the spirit of the game, but I think that having just a few main "bases" you could QT to (even using an in-universe thing like "oh here's a speeder" would make the game paced a bit better. Overall, which game is "better" really does boil down to personal taste. For me personally, TFU is pretty nostalgic (though not to the degree of Jedi Knight or KotOR), and elements of it do hold up. But JFO is a more modern game with a lot of innovations; as opposed to sticking to a single genre, it combines elements of many, and does a very good job at it. Between the variety of the game and the overall much better gameplay, personally I find JFO more fun to play. But TFU will always have a special place in my heart as one of the biggest multimedia events in Star Wars history. I'm really excited to play Jedi Survivor though!
I honestly would so love force unleashed come back maybe be remastered or even rebooted to better fit with cannon and get that third game. I do believe a lot of elements from force unleashed could still be done in cannon if worked the right way. And it would make for an excellent duality alongside the jedi Fallen order games. It feels like there's definitely some interest in it from the fanbase as well as disney given to the recent subtle nods to the force unleashed with starkillers sith armor in Andor as an Easter egg. And Rahm Kota being canonized in Obi Wan as a surviving Jedi. There's just been a lot more recent attention to it all.
When I think of it in a *'One Canon'* sense, I believe that, at some point, Galen would be tasked by Vader to try and hunt down Cal, Merrin, and any other Force-users that could be a problem for the Empire....just like how Galen was sent to hunt down and kill Rahm Kota, Kazdan Paratus, and Shaak Ti.
It’s honestly a crime against humanity that Galen was purged from the canon. And there has been no attempt to bring him back somehow. I don’t even care if he’s nerfed (as long as it’s not to the point where he’s on a inquisitor level). I just want him back.
He definitely has to be nerfed a ton, he was stronger than anybody else we saw in SW Canon. However he's a very interesting character and I hope it's reintegrated one day.
hair and water is always really tough to nail in video games & CGI movies. i remember at the moment seeing that Chewbacca hair for the 1st time thinking "wow this looks really good"... now I almost laugh at it 😂
I think they both have highs and lows. The one huge problem that fallen order has is the extreme difficulty in navigating the levels. You can spend hours going in circles trying to get back to a chest or whatever. The map is crap.
Jedi fallen order is where you try and stop the empire Star Wars the force unleashed is where the empire tries to stop you
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lmaooo thats too spot on!
where you run from the empire !!
"It's like poetry, it rhymes."
Man couldn’t have said it any better! Super facts!
You can save wookies in Force unleashed. They're in cages throughout the level and when you free them they help you fight
Yeah that was a nice detail it felt good to free them from the empire
I tossed the Wookies around with the Force. The Wookie prisoners didn't survive
@@jedigamer9935me too
@@Elijahs_mustache don't forget the best part the JAR JAR in frozen carbonite in the admirals room
I always let them help me, then i electrcute them😂
I will say I don't agree that Cal's decision to destroy the Holocron was random, there was a sequence where when he acquires it he's given a vision by the force that warns him of the consequences that will happen if he does use it, and I believe he uses that knowledge to make the decision. more of the thought process of "they'll be safer hidden than they ever would be with us"
Agree, I think it makes sence :)
This. I wonder why he thought it was random lol the story is very straight forward and simple to follow, not as simple as TFU (both games) but it’s definitely not complicated.
Not to mention if u look close 1 the dots was Lothal so 1 of those markers was Ezra Bridger
And don't forget that it doesn't happen all of a sudden either. Merrin is the first one to bring this up to him based on her own experience, which starts Cal down the path that maybe rebuilding the order isn't the best for those kids.
Yeah it's weird some people just don't get it. I mean it is kind of spelled out in visions, but also Cals whole journey can be seen as a reason to let the force sensitive kids choose their own fate, with all the danger he faced in such a short time span.
One major thing I really like about The Force Unleashed, even the sequel, is that it made you feel powerful as a Force User. Just the power of the lightsaber slicing through waves of enemies or force pushing your enemies was so satisfying, while still providing a level of challenge.
Same here
especially in the Wii and PSP versions being the standard edition
Where as in Fallen Order you’re just a kid with a giant glow stick. And both games are rated T, yet one actually has violence while the other is clearly made for 10 year olds
@@lawrencetalbot8346 try it on a Jedi grandmaster then come back and talk about violence
@@garrett1123 it doesn’t change anything other than your character dying faster. You don’t unlock any limb chopping or decaps. Your powers by comparison feel even weaker. Im not understanding your point
I never thought to compare these games, but it totally makes sense, they both are post Order 66 rots stories etc. yeah starkiller feels like a dark mirror version of Cal. Always great to see another Star Wars video Flandrew, thanks!
Shouldnt cal feel like a light mirror of starkiller since he came first 🤔
@@myLocoson I mean yeah technically but Starkiller just better lol
Uh, not to be that guy, but it kind of feels like Ezra would be the Light Mirror of Galen, not Cal. Cal is one of the three characters who had the essence of Kyle Katarn given to him, specifically the "Becoming a Jedi" part, or, more accurately, re-becoming a Jedi. He's literally gets a pistol in the Surviror (according to the promotion material) just to cement this in.
@@epicagaming6458if you like self inserts sure
Kazejay talking about kal
Man I just wish they would make more games in a different time period. Having all of these games take place during the OT/PT/ST really limits where the story can go/what villains you can have.
there is games like jedi knight: jedi academy, jedi knight: jedi outcast, and others, and I didn't even mention series of knight's of the old republic games, that takes places in 4k years BBY
@@G1PNO yeah I played all of those and they’re great. Just wish we had more like that
@@Astaroth-1 Yeah I doubt you played Swtor and ALL of its expansion or you wouldn't be saying this
@@DatManJB shut it clown
@@DatManJB not everyone wants to play an mmo
Interesting, i was sitting about 2 minutes ago thinking, how great was Harry Potter series videos, and i want to watch it again, and pops up new video 😂
cool, i was playing splinter cell when this came up. really weird
Lol imagine that. The HP series was great I agree same w the Lego Star Wars series
Its cool to see how strong Cal gets by the end of Survivor. Actually feels like a Jedi Knight verging on the rank of Master.
He’s strong enough to be a master for sure. He’s around as strong as kit fisto by his feats
Verging on the rank of a master? Not even close. I would not even call him a jedi knight
@@Revan-eb1wbYou really think that all the Things Cal do in Jedi Survivor is Padawan level? Cal is a Jedi Knight and even maybe a low class Jedi Master, he isn’t at the same level as Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda or even Plo Koon, but he is pretty strong.
@@Nik13209 i still dont think he is jedi knight just yet
@@Nik13209 bode is a jedi knight and almost beat cal und merron together. He only lost because of bad luck
The only thing I really miss from The Force Unleashed is the ability to take the enemies with the force, and move them for the screen with absolute liberty. That's a great feel of be someone with jedi powers
Wish we got newer games like this with complete jedi power freedom
I wish there was a game with Jedi Academy lightsaber combat, KOTOR/SWTOR force abilities list, and TFU execution, with combining powers and etc.
I feel like that's what any Force User fighting anyone who isn't also a Force User should be like. Just their telekinesis alone should make any "fight" between a Force User and a Non Force User a total joke. The only reason it isn't is in order to keep the Non Force Users relevant to the franchise.
@@mrzirak792 Throw in an open world and we've got the perfect Star Wars game.
Force Unleashed was clearly made by people who loved star wars (also had Lucas breathing down their necks lol) and knew how powerful Jedi were. Fallen Order was made by people who knew absolutely nothing about Star Wars and instead wanted to make a game pandering to little kids and “Disney adults”
I'm more of a Force Unleashed guy, but I did enjoy Fallen Order too, in spite of it being set in the Disney canon.
On their portrayal of Vader - I think Force Unleashed gets slightly undercredited. Now don't get me wrong, Fallen Order absolutely nails what an encounter between Vader and a lowly Padawan should look like, TFU does do stuff with Vader's characterization. The very concept of Vader essentially adopting a child as his son in order to defeat the Emperor does give you an idea of how much he yearns for the life he could have had, and his betrayal of Starkiller is... I always interpreted it as Vader basically chickening out. That the Emperor somehow figured his plan out and Vader was afraid to make that final move and actually go through with it. It does work in the context of Vader and Palpatine's toxic relationship and Vader being dependent on Palps while also hating his guts. As well as his own, which the game does make a nod to, with PROXY serving as his holo body and then remarking "I hate being him" and Starkiller - who was raised by Vader and thus is bound to know him pretty well, replies "I think he does too". This mixture of complicated self-destructive emotions that Vader had to live with for almost two decades is exactly why he is my favorite Star Wars character and is one of my favorite characters of all time.
We also have to remember that The Force Unleashed is an unfinished trilogy. The plan was for the third game to ultimately be an exercise in Vader using the clone (if that didn’t wind up being retconned) of Galen Marek to achieve his own ends and get all the way back into the Emperor’s good graces while ending with a battle that *properly* framed his abilities with the Force against Starkiller’s. Instead of a more or less matched battle between (rough) equals, it is Vader unleashing the Force on you for a change. Every stage in the battle is the player’s every effort being set against increasingly terrifying displays of Vader’s prowess with a lightsaber and his Force abilities as such that you realize that Vader has been toying with Marek/Starkiller for the entire trilogy up to this moment and is FINALLY ready to kill him, his purpose in Vader’s design fulfilled in its entirety. You did not actually beat him before. Only now do you realize you never could.
It pains me that we never got that and I wish fans could organize enough to convey to Disney and Lucasfilm that making a product that’s set in the old canon’s EU would sell well enough to justify the expense of its development.
@@LtDavidB312I didn't know there was supposed to be a third game... but were the story-plans always meant to make this a trilogy, was that planned from the start?
@@goranisacson2502 I don’t recall if it was a from-the-very-beginning plan (I mean, the first game felt like at least two games smashed together and abbreviated into one), but it definitely became a planned trilogy once the sequel was greenlit.
something that lives in my head is the thought that *(IMO)* the only real difference between anakin and luke is the fact that luke had at least one person (old obi wan) who sorta knew how to be supportive after he lost his aunt/uncle, whereas anakin had qui-gon and young obi wan who I'd both describe as "emotionally constipated" at best, and then palpatine...
so the whole toxic relationship, self-loathing, resentment, etc makes a lot of sense for Vader.
"Your feelings for her arent real' "THEY ARE REAL TO ME" is one of the hardest lines in star wars history. I dont care what anyone says watching vader get electrocuted with kaminos lightning is among the top 10 goosebump moments in the franchise
Kinda crazy how similar these games are but also completely different 😂Let's hope Jedi Survivor doesn't take too many notes from Force Unleashed 2. Also, Starkiller has nothing on Cal's collection of ponchos.
Love your videos man, you're my favourite walking dead content creator.
Cal's ponchos are a joke.
It gives you a blaster! I think it's enough to say it's not taking too many notes form FU2😂
@@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNickedok bud.
@@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked They're fucking awesome I don't know what you're talking about.
I love The Force Unleashed's narrative is of how the Empire created their own demise. Its plot is more so an integral bridge between the first two trilogies of the Skywalker saga then. I love how the game handles the force like a video game would be expected to. It works because everyone else in the game is unleashed with the force, but it would be too over the top for a movie/show experience. Overall it is a good piece of nostalgia before Disney's take on Star Wars. The lightsaber combat isn't as strong especially when it's treated like a police baton and most force powers aren't utilized within the environment in terms of exploration and more so combat. Overall it's a fun sandbox to play in again and again.
Fallen Order is a breath of fresh air with Disney's take on Star Wars because it's not integral to the Skywalker saga, but is told within the dark times with the same level of seriousness as Andor. I love how it's a personal story about how characters in the Star Wars universe work together and bond by their traumas. By far it has the best lightsaber combat in my opinion and I love how the Force is utilized more for the environment in exploration rather than just a means to see what I can destroy.
The Force Unleashed is absolutely fun in terms of combat with the force, but Fallen Order wins because it is embedded in the narrative, environment and combat much more fluidly. The lightsaber combat in The Force Unleashed is basic and simplified, while you have to think tactively more in Fallen Order and it's much more rewarding when you understand it. While Galen Marek has my favorite redemption arc for a character in the Star Wars universe, Cal Kestis is much more relatable. Galen is much more interesting in the novelization based on the game, however because he is much more fleshed out as you would expect from a book perspective. As for the crew I absolutely love Proxy much more than anyone else on Cal's team. He's like a twisted training simulator and record keeper droid that has wholesome character development. Juno Eclipse is much more interesting in The Force Unleashed novelization, but Merrin from the video game perspective is much more enjoyable instead of just being a deliberate love interest. Although Juno is a much more enjoyable pilot than Greez. Cere Junda is a much more enjoyable mentor than Rahm Kota and Darth Vader from the games alone. Darth Vader is only interesting because of the history of his character and not just from the base game alone in The Force Unleashed.
However, Fallen Order has a much more enjoyable final boss than The Force Unleashed. Mainly because Fallen Order understands how to insert canon and The Force Unleashed (good ending) in the end is a typical self sacrifice approach without trying to explore the original trilogy in a way you'll never see in the films. (Hence why the PSP version explores a broken and entertaining historical missions option of exploring moments from the original and prequel trilogy of Star Wars.) I get my comment is a "too long and I didn't read" inevitability and will drift into comment section purgatory, but it's better to express my thoughts for the silent majority willing to read what I have to say.
Take it down a notch okay, Mr. Autism?
@Slywerk First things first the final boss in The Force Unleashed is Emperor Palpatine. You fight Darth Vader before and you get to fight Vader again as an evil ending fight by creating an alternate reality with DLC. Second of all when I'm talking about the Fallen Order game being a breath of fresh air I'm talking about the narrative for Star Wars fans.
Bro wrote a novel
@Slywerk bro also wrote a.novel
@Slywerk XD
Damn, I never realized how similar these games are
So many newer Star Wars stuff are taken directly or inspired by Force Unleashed. Look at the way Maul was reintroduced in Rebels by Dave Filoni. Crazy force user living on a junk planet and moving around with spider legs. That's the same as Kaz Paratus in Force Unleashed. More recently we saw Obiwan inside the Inquisitor fortress rescue Leia in a big dark room where he would turn his lightsaber off to hide in darkness. That is straight from the Force Unleashed 2 trailer.
I think Spider!Maul really debuted in an earlier comic though.
@@Quirderph 2005 dark horse comic Old Wounds had a Maul with longer horns and robot legs but that seems to be the inspiration for what Maul look like after he goes from spider legs to 2 legs. The spider legs and crazy state he was found in on the junk planets seems to be more Kardan Paratus. There is many more stuff inspired from Force Unleashed too. Kanan Jarus going blind from a lightsaber wound is just like Kota.
Both portray the same Vader it is just that one portrays a Vader fighting someone who knows nothing about him or his techniques where the other shows Vader being outclassed by his student who has thus become the master. If anything I’d say Prologue Force Unleashed Vader is the best representation of Vader we’ve ever gotten. Also given that Force Unleashed had a whole story and dlc line based around the none canon ending to the game was pretty sick and made that ending feel worth it.
Sam Witwer has said in live streaming that the story for the 3rd game would have made it clear that Vader was more powerful and everything that happened in the first 2 games was just part of his plan. He described a scene where Starkiller and Vader argued like
Starkiller: I beat you.
Vader: Because I let you.
Starkiller: I cut your hand!
Vader: These? these are not my hands, I don't have hands.
Fact people tends to forget Galen practically raise by Vader to help overthrown the emperor so of course he got to be powerful.
@@jaieregilmore971 Same people that believe Starkiller is a Garry Su
@@derkurier2710 he literally gets killed at the end of his game by the boss evil man lmao.
To be honest, Palpatine first played around with Starkiller to try and turn him to the Dark Side.
Also to note, if you chose the Dark Side option, Starkiller tries to kill Palpatina and Palpatine just beats him with ease.
I really wish the PS3 version of force unleashed had the levels from the ps2 version as well - The Jedi Temple and alternate cloud city were great
I'm grateful for both of these games and when they came out. I don't think I would have had the patience for Fallen Order as a kid and loved The Force Unleashed. I find The Force Unleashed a bit overbearing now and really appreciate the more subtle and skill based approach of Fallen Order as an adult. Both games are great in their own right.
Both games are great in their own ways. I have so many fond memories of playing the different ports of The Force Unleashed along with reading its novelization. And even though I love Fallen Order, it was definitely a little short. I think 2-4 more levels would’ve made the game a masterpiece but it’s still a game I can pick up and play again and again the same amount as Force Unleashed.
Unleashed allowed your inner Jedi fantasies to come to life. The lightsaber combos and force lightning was just unreal, he really showed so much power it felt like you were on GOD mode the entire game. Very fun, very fast pace. Fallen Order has so much more story behind it, puzzles, and realism. I mean you go to a planet, you land, u discover everything you need to, you have to make your way back to the ship often through puzzles and enemies, get on the ship, actually go to the nav computer, choose your next destination, actually go to the cockpit, and witness the ship lifting off the surface of the planet you just explored, watching it leave the atmosphere, go into hyperspace, sit down for the landing, watch it enter the atmosphere of another planet, and land. Then physically go and walk off the ship, and start your next planet journey, it's truly amazing what they did, they brought the star wars universe to life in a way that's never been done before. Two completely different takes on video games, but both amazing in their own right, Truly.
TOR had that feature with the ship and the nav computer and having to physically walk on/off your ship too, but i get what you're sayin
The Force Unleashed is when you're a Force prodigy, Fallen Order is what you get when you're just random joe Jedi #234.
*sith fantasies
I would say rather than "their destiny should be trusted to the force," the actual reason Cal destroyed the holochron is because it's better that no one has their hands on it, than one party or the other. The reason the Force sensitive children shouldn't be found isn't because they're kids and shouldn't be on the run from the empire isnt the reason, it's because it's more likely that the children be eventually captured and turned into inquisitors. I feel like they didnt elaborate on this in the ending scene of the game but it's alright because it's heavily implied earlier on. Also if you watch all the interactions between the crew while just sitting on the landing pads in the planets, (most people skip them) you'll see that they discuss this a lot and merrin convinces cal that the children should just be left alone. And that first reason (about leaving the children alone so they dont have to be on the run from the empire) doesnt make any sense because cal and the crew are on the run from the empire too, and when the next generation of jedi (luke skywalker) begins his training, he's also on the run from the empire and his life is changed the same way they describe the lives of the children on the holochron.
The inquisitors actually were a thing in the EU continuity as well. They were more of a “powerful evil wizard with their own military and political ambitions” type of thing, unlike the new canon inquisitors who are assassin agents hunting down the remaining Jedi across the galaxy. Starkiller was Vader’s secret apprentice, so he didn’t belong to an imperial inquisition officially, but at the same time there were others who did
The Force Unleashed is more fun purely from a gameplay perspective, but I found the narrative in Fallen Order to be so engrossing, that it made up for some of the more tedious segments. It also nailed the environmental storytelling made popular by the Soulslike genre. You get to piece together other stories that didn't involve Cal, but that he sees the consequences of, and you get a sense of much larger things happening in the galaxy outside the main story. And I dunno, I actually really liked the ancient temples. I like the idea that there are/were other cultures in the galaxy that saw and used the Force very differently than the Jedi and the Sith. It leans more into the fantasy side of Star Wars, and less into the sci-fi side, and I dig that.
This was really cool part of the game. I explored the fallen venator on zeffo and the story from the force echoes actually made me sad
wow, this was a GREAT comparison! The way Galen and Cal are opposite to each other in so many ways was beautifully described here. The one thing missing is the mention of which version of TFU is being compared: I know this one is supposed to be the official one, but I played the PS2 version first, so I have kind memories of it.
Flandrew my boy it's always a treat to see another video of yours! Here I am nursing my newborn (with a bottle, I am a Thomas after all) and your videos never cease to entertain me!
Cal destroying the Holocron wasn't random, it was half the story of the game. Between his vision from the Force, his Master and what Merrin said, he was conflicted the entire time on what to do with the Holocron, finally deciding to trust in the force and let the fate of those children be.
I like to think that Cal's fight with Vader shows us how the rest of the galaxy perceives him, this monster who is completely unstoppable and will hunt you down without difficulty or remorse.
Meanwhile Starkillers fight with Vader is supposed to hold a mirror to Vader with both Anakin and Starkiller being very similar in several ways such as:
-both are incredibly powerful with their connection to the force even at a young age
-both are trained by a jedi who in someway fails them (Obi-wan fails Anakin by being too stubborn to admit that Anakin should be trained by an actual jedi master and not just a knight while Kota fails Starkiller by being an alchoholic and a massive pessimist)
-both have a woman that they fall in love with and for the sake of that woman's protection decide to join the other side of the war
-both are fatally wounded by the Emperor in order to save people they love
-if you choose dark side for Starkiller both are almost killed and then resurrected as a mechanical monster with breathing problems made to serve the Emperor
-both are betrayed because of their own actions (Starkiller is betrayed when Vader, who Starkiller thought had trust in him, attacks and captures the rebels, while Anakin feels betrayed by Obi-wan in the iconic scene your are all thinking of.
-both defeat their former master who if they decide to kill will lead to their failure
-and both have a quirky robot companion that they end up abandoning (R2-D2 gets left on Mustafar while Proxy ends up dying but we learn in the DLC that he could have been salvaged and survived)
Definitely a Force Unleashed Man. Love being Starkiller & wrecking shit like a god among insects.
Even though I really like the variety of lightsaber combat KAL can use. The double blade & 2 blades & the switching between them.
Force Unleashed is nostalgic but I just feel like Fallen Order had more gravitas. The combat was more engaging and kept you on your toes. The story and Cal as a character just made more sense canonically. I just loved how they really emphasised the scale on everything too - the world design was phenomenal. On top of that, it's visuals were stunning and the cast did really well as their characters to the point you could actually see them making a TV series with them. Fallen Order was one of those rare occasions I actually completed a game, even going for all the collectables and I'm hoping the sequel delivers like Fallen Order did.
Well cal is just a padawan and starkiller was trained by anakin. Big difference
6:42, Most Jedi Padawans go through Trials and puzzles to create their first lightsaber and to rank up to the rank of Jedi Knight. Which is what Cal is doing during Fallen Order growing from a Force Crippled Padawan to a Fully Blown and Well Put Together Jedi Knight.
ye the force unleashed is just so cool, StarKiller's insane levels of power is just so fun and cool, tossing vader around like a rag doll is amazing
Considering Respawn is known for making multiplayer games (and specifically first person shooters), I can see their justification for adding in so many varied elements to Fallen Order. They'd never made a story driven action game in the way EA had requested, so they essentially HAD to look at industry trends and mash them together to get an at least passable result with a project they had never really worked on before.
well respawn did have stig asmussen as the director and he's the one directed GOW 3 so in Stigs hands, they knew what they were doing
titanfall games were known for some pretty stellar campaigns so I dunno about that.
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Respawn is staffed by veteran developers of Call of Duty and Medal of Honor.
I love your videos so much man, you always do a fantastic job!
I would love to see a port of Force Unleashed to update the graphics to modern standards. It's still my favorite SW game, though I did enjoy Fallen Order as well.
Both are fantastic games what amazed me in Fallen order is that Cal set out on mission's with out having basic force skills that many padwans have before going in the field skills like Force push,pull levitate double jump and yet he survived a great deal of predetor and Imperial encounters before he accuired those important skills with Galen dude was already skills and powerfull and ready to rock.
What I didn't like about The Fallen Order was those bottomless platforms, It reminded me of the Super Mario games, the only thing Cal needed was to tell "yoohoo" "ah ha!"
Nice analysis, thx for video upload, keep up the good work👍
I loved Force Unleashed as a kid, it felt great to be a powerful force wielded but after finishing Fallen order I felt so sad the journey was over and so compelled to replay it. It felt like a true successor or other side of the coin from what was happening in unleashed, and in the end I think Fallen order ended up being my preferred pick of the two. Both are amazing and I can’t wait for Survivor to come out this month.
I like That Star Wars the force unleashed had way more interactive environments and you could just pick stuff up and throw it and break stuff and pick anyone up and toss them off into space and stuff. I wish you could do that in the newer game.
the force unleashed had such a fresh, creative story. Playing as the secret apprentice of Darth Vader ordered to hunt down the remaining jedi masters but slowly turning to the light side was something we hadn't seen before
Jedi: Fallen Order is Tomb Raider with Lightsabers. That alone isn't an issue, but when Fallen Order started to send me back to the same Planets I spent hours climbing around, I had to turn it off.
I always go back to play force unleashed and enjoy it every time, where as fallen order I've played once and haven't had any feeling to go back to it. It he hack and slash game play I feel is replayable where the puzzle solving and world exploring is kinda just a one and done no reason to go back to it
Huh, these comparisons aren't exactly groundbreaking thought-work in a vacuum, but I hadn't considered how both of them being shaped by gameplay trends ultimately turn them into two very different stories, and how well they both seem to be informed by gameplay- Starkiller as a destructive hack and slash X-TREEEME force, Cal as a slower, less capable and more somber person. One being the sort of engineered prodigy, one more or less just being "A Guy" albeit one that's force-sensitive, just trying to make it through the day. Galen the star athlete of high school, Cal as just an average student, if that makes sense? I'd honestly like to see a cross-over of sorrs between them now with this dynamic in mind, but alas we do not live in a world that allows for that... least we resort to fan-fic, that is.
Very well put, love the analogy. I like it cause its like small scale vs large scale. Starkiller has superman level power. Cal has spiderman level power. Cal is more relatable in a way and has different struggles, starkiller literally fights planets full of enemies and takes on the entire empire rather than just surviving.
I've never actually finished Force Unleashed. Something about it just kinda never hooked me?
I should restart the game and give it another go.
I love Fallen Order and I cannot wait for Jedi Survivor next month.
I really liked your comparison!
Great video. I was only thinking about these 2 games today. Thanks. I preferred Force Unleashed as i didnt get lost as much and the dlc was epic.
Interesting can you do a knights of the old republic comparison between the first two games and the online version.
I'm not sure how to feel about the takes on Darth Vader anymore. Before Disney rebooted the canon, I kind of hated how everything from the prequels to the Expanded Universe made Vader seem pretty weak. It felt like every time some new Star Wars thing came out someone was kicking the crap out of Vader. I really didn't like that Starkiller schooled Vader and the Emporer so thoroughly.
Disney's approach of making Vader scary felt like a breath of fresh air. Rogue One, Fallen Order, Obi-Wan all made Vader intimidating. But now it feels like we are in a legasequel era where every piece of media (even outside Star Wars) exists to elevate the importance of what came before it rather than standing on its own.
Either way, I spend too much time thinking about Star Wars :P
Incredible analysis!
watching this after i’ve just been playing survivor rly makes me appreciate how much they streamlined the game
I think the best and easiest way to describe Fallen Order is to just call it a metroidvania
You could play the first level of Force Unleashed with Vader as a Demo on PS3.
One of my greatest gaming moments.
I was so hyped for that game and it freaking delivered.
6:50 "You'd be riding high after flying The Big Bird and defeating Bowsers Wife" made me lol
6 views. 12 likes. Makes sense.
Love these videos. Good to see a new upload
CZcams's view counter, in my experience, is pretty broken. At times it'll only register a 'view' if the video reaches its end.
I lol'd at Cal Kestis being described at having Force ED.
I enjoy that I could turn my brain off and be OP in force unleashed
Great job.
The Old to the ideals of the questionable New path.
What will Builders be feeling hopeful for A.I. perspective growth Next?
Both games are just awesome. Both are a must play to everyone who loves the Franchise and I can't wait for the Jedi Survivor release already! I am playing Fallen Order again to get everything fresh in my mind and my muscle memory on point to play the sequel, but damn you activated that Force Unleashed ich on me now prolly will play it after I am done with the New Game + from FO.
Also I do prefer Force Unleashed as it feels like a completed product at the end of the day. When I bought Fallen Order it felt like a unfinished idea of a game with to much going for it and a lot of bugs. The A.I for the Empire was pretty subpar and felt like a rail shooter the climbing would glitch out and made Kahyykk that should’ve been my favorite level the worst, and overall I just don’t enjoy the villains as much as I did in the Force Unleashed. The Inquisitors felt like pushovers with Vader being the only truly scary individual in the room. Trila was scary to as she atleast was a menace but she turned back to the light at the end and ended up not being what I was hoping for.
9:20 "Yogurt Lid" LOOL you killed me with that one 😅
This just makes me want to see a Cal Vs Star Killer in Jedi 3. Obviously SK's origin would have to be different. But seeing Sam Witwer in a star wars game again would be so amazing
I really love the exploration heavy Jedi Fallen Order. I don't mind back tracking. When done right - like in Metroid, Resident Evil, Castlevania , ...- it adds, not detracts- from the gameplay.
I personally enjoy the backtracking, since I love the different environments and geography of the planets in Star Wars. Also, I feel like backtracking is a nice change of pace and allows you to have another opportunity to explore and look for secrets and whatnot as you go back to where you came from
I was also kind of meh on the ending of Fallen order, with Cal destroying the holocron, it kinda makes the journey feel a little unresolved. However the holocron needs to be destroyed to maintain canon, and i think it would have been better to destroy it during the fight between Cal, Cere and Vader in the tunnel:
*this occurs just after vader stabs Cal and knocks Cere back*
Cal is on the ground recovering, Vader pulls the holocron, Cere pulls it back resulting in a tug of war, Cere is about to lose her grip and Cal slashes it out of desperation, Cere taunts Vader for failing to get the list of children, then the scene plays out as normal, "such hatred" etc.
At least then they are forced to destroy it, giving up on good it could have done to prevent the inevetible bad that it will be used for, in the regular ending they could have just hidden it again, the empire never would have found it without them in the first place.
I would have been very happy with this conclusion.
I completely agree, it was meh and destroying the cron in battle would have been spontanious and a new sign of rebellion against vader to his face. Once they got away and the focus was on the cron i already knew he was going to destroy it. It made the whole thing anticlimactic. Overall fantastic game though.
Cal literally gets a vision of him turning to Dark Side/warning him before he acquires the Holocron and canon are not, cal has no power to fight against forces like Vader. So definitely not a meh ending and it makes more sense than usual tug of war action trope where no one gets the treasure.
Naaah the whole point was for cal to decide to trust in the force, and he was warned what would happen if he didn't destroy it. It was a big moment
It was necessary, though. There is no point in trying to gather the force sensitive children who may be with or against the idea on another Jedi order. Cal saw the force visions and what will happen if he does so . He even becomes an inquisitor. He made the right decision of letting the children choose their own paths through the force itself.
Galen is my favorite Star Wars character. I wish they would put him in a series but considering how much Disney shits on Star Wars he might be better left alone.
Are you going to do Force Unleashed 2 vs Jedi Survivor?
To me i love the force unleashed because it's a literal powertrip of an experience while fallen order is more of a grounded experience to me. I would have loved if FU had a combat arena like GOW ghost of sparta (where you can fight endless hords of enemies of your choice) and i would have loved if FO had more emphasis on force abilities. They are such different games but one thing about them in common is that they are a fun experience worth trying
Force unleased did have an arena feature like gow.
@@thecaptain4630 really? Last I checked it didn't exist. I'm mostly thinking about TFU 2
@@EthanMastercrafter its on the psp version for the first one. Not sure about the other platforms though.
@@thecaptain4630 ohhhhhh. Yeah i heard the (no offense) downgraded versions have WAY more content like the wii version, i would have loved to play the arena endlessly
I think Force Unleashed might have an edge, but Fallen Order set up for a sequel a lot better. Force Unleashed 2 did about as well as it could, but Jedi Survivor has so much it can do just with the characters the first game introduced, not to mention the stuff teased by the trailer. If executed well, it could really expand on the areas the first game was lacking in.
@Slywerk that's the point.
I hope that in Star Wars Jedi survivor we will still be able to frequently climb and swing on ropes and climb up walls and wall run and parkour like you do in fallen order
I like this video.
I was hoping to see a video comparing Lego The Force Awakens to Force Awakens in The Skywalker Saga.
In fallen order .the caves/mines of I think kassykk were so hard to navigate..so much back tracking..
Kashyyyk was the worst. I missed a chest at the top of the tree. I wasted more than an hour trying to get back up and then having to climb back down and return to my ship. They put the bird creature about 1/3 of the way up the tree so you think you can fast travel to the top but nope... it takes you BACK to the bottom. I was so pissed.
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I played this game like 4 years ago , then I play it at last week again, but I'm still remind me that are something there at in the trees!
Maybe I'm just a good player to this game 😆
I really tried to get in Fallen Order and gave it a fair chance. But it always felt like a boring uncharted game with a star wars skin. Force Unleashed on the other hand altways feels like star wars on steroids hyperdrive mode, just pure electric fun.
Dude exactly. The whole time I was playing fallen order I kept saying, oh that's like uncharted (traversal), oh that's like god of war (exploration/collectibles) and not to mention the poor man's sekiro combat. Boring overall and pretty forgettable story. Force unleashed is exactly what you described. Pure fun
Great video Flandrew. I wasn't sure was Fallen Order was supposed to be compared to Force Unleashed (especially the good ole PSP version). It looks like it has a lot of modern gaming tropes unfortunately. I wonder if it's in any way replayable like Force Unleashed where choices can matter.
Plot wise? No, the story is what it is.
Granted, even The Force Unleashed only really had alternate endings, which is less than they promised during development.
i think the major difference between the 2 fights with Vader is not actually Vader who is different as much as the character that's seeing him. Even having gotten older and stronger Cal is still just thinking and acting like a jedi padawan, hes holding the base beliefs of the jedi order and kinda trying to figure out how they hold up in the modern galaxy. When Cal faces Vader he is seeing what is to him the most powerful force user to date and everything Vader does just pushes his fear of him more. Starkiller was raised by Vader for most of his life, he was trained by Vader to kill Darth Sidious, Jedi masters were practice towards this goal and he was taught there are no limits to the force. When the time came to fight Vader he did not see an unstoppable force user, he saw a weak coward bowing to another.
How is it that you keep making videos that I thought would only exist in my imagination? It's like you're reading my mind lol. I love your content, and I look forward to your comparison of The Force Unleashed II and Jedi Survivor, should you decide to make one.
While I prefer TFU1 to Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor hasn't come out yet, I think it's safe to say that comparing TFU2 to it would be like beating up a baby. A handicapped baby. It's gonna be a miracle if TFU2 wins that one.
@@AllardRT I loved TFUII.
@@gnbman Well, I can't take that away from you, I guess. Me, I... it was painful. Because the core gameplay, the feel from the lightsabers, the controls, that was massively improved from TFU1. But the actual levels... had about one hour of content stretched across four hours.
@@gnbman gameplay-wise TFU2 is so much fun. its biggest problem is that its too short.
@@ArcAngelus6 5 hours is respectable. It's not a ton, but TFU 1 was only 8 hours, including DLC.
I loved both for diffrent reasons and I feel like they could easily revisit force unleashed like God of war was revamped, I'd love to see a republic commando review or the of battlefronts! patiently waiting for the next video man
a mix of the 2 will be awsome
Pulling a star destroyer out of the sky is by far the most bad ass thing we’ve ever got to do in a Star Wars games lol
Personally I Like the Lightsaber Combat Far Better in the Jedi Knight Series with Kyle Katarn! I Only Wish They Continued with That and Built Upon it Over Time!
Best comment!
Love the Jedi Knight series to bits and pieces!
I thought I did too til I went back and played it they really don’t hold up well
I hope you do The Force Unleashed 2 so you can say if you remember buying a demo at full price.
It'd certainly be an interesting comparison. Never played the Wii U version, but I have played the PC and DS versions. Hoo boy was the DS version a thing. If you thought the touch screen combat of the first game on DS was a bad choice, TFU2 made it much worse. Never made it beyond the first part of the return to Kamino.
Imagine sam witwer showing up in a star wars series somewhere playing as galen. It was so cool in the games to see a character fight vader that wasn't really a do goody jedi.
Good idea for a vid, maybe compare the EA and Rebellion Battlefront maps?
They're both amazing games, but I think Force Unleashed just takes it for me. Fallen Order was just too slow. I think it's issue is when it's firing on all cylinders it's amazing, but the bits in between just make progression feel like a chore.
"You could almost think of Starkiller as a proto inquisitor."
Actually no, Starkiller was around long after Inquisitors already existed as well. Jerec, the main villain of Dark Forces 2 was actually the original grand inquisitor.
In old canon they just weren't as prominent but their purpose was more or less the same, they also didn't have uniforms nor shared that whole helicopter saber thingy.
They were just dark jedi that served the emperor and hunted jedi while in disguise usually.
Plus calling Starkiller an inquisitor is insult to his character because he is Darth Vader secret apprentice to help him take down the emperor pretty much fulfilling the rule of two tradition of the Sith plus there is no doubt that Starkiller would destroy the whole inquisitors.
@@jaieregilmore971 yeah Star killer is more of an actual Sith IMO than an inquisitor one of the only Sith to be only trained in Sith ways since childhood besides Maul & Palps
They were dismantling the ships at the beginning of Fallen order for parts to build Empire war machines. So Cal and Star Killer were witnessing the same process just at different parts of the assembly line
Are you gonna do (Force Unleashed 2 and Jedi Survivor)?
I love it when Vader is depicted as an unstoppable force, slowly advancing, and cutting off all hope of escape. He is a monster and you are his prey. He isn't in a hurry. He'll get you at his own pace, no matter what you do or how you run. I wasn't a big fan of the beating he got in the Force Unleashed, regardless of how incredibly good it felt in the moment.
i mean, i liked the force unleashed because it showed how a true force user could be so beastly. THe ass wooping wasn't that much of a surprise either, always understood it as "so THAT's what the emperor means by "squandered potential" on vader", he's a shadow of his former self, a true monster, like star killer, or palpatine himself, still wrecks him.
He gets his moment of monstrosity in the tutorial, when he basically just wades through the hordes of wookies and beats the breaks off a runaway Jedi.
The fight in the Death Star works on several levels: For one, it's cathartic for Starkiller to get back at him after Vader backstabbed him twice (once literally). It also helps to illustrate the kind of character Starkiller is: No longer a Sith, not truly a Jedi, and all the more powerful for it, as he is able to harness his own emotions without losing himself. What's Vader's stakes in that fight? Self-preservation? Vader absolutely loathes himself. Hatred? Vader harbours no hatred towards Starkiller, he's been a useful tool and it's merely regrettable that he inevitably needs to be put down. Concern for the emperor? Vader is loyal, but he hates the emperor just as much as himself.
Of course Vader doesn't wanna lose, but you need to consider that at this time in the lore, he's pretty much dead inside. He doesn't really see purpose again until he finds out about Luke.
For Starkiller on the other hand, it's a different story. He absolutely despises Vader for using him and betraying him. He fears for the safety of his friends. He wants to prove to himself that he can break free from Vaders control and determine his own destiny.
Also, it's uniquely a different situation. People don't just go after Vader. Every time Vader shows up as a terrifying force of destruction, he's on the offense, pursuing his prey. Someone attacking Vader because they know they have to get past him is a new situation.
@@cseijifja precisely! Lucas stated mace beat palps fair and square in their duel and though mace tapped into dark side energy he was far from a sith. Galen was purely an assassin and having had all that time to steep himself in the dark before learning the light, then combining it all? Galen locked lightsabers with his master many times during training, fighting to the point that he passed out from exhaustion. He had plenty time to study his master's methods and fighting style. He used Juyo, Shien and Soresu, the most aggressive style and the best defensive one, combined with lightning (vader kryptonite), and the fact that vader himself was much slower but still underestimated galen and it's not that unbelievable that he lost the encounter. The emperor saw the potential in him for a reason lol.
Tbh, after outcast I thought force unleashed was arcade platforming garbage. Tho taken out of context tfu is very good. Same for the new ones but it will always irk me that the light saber is basically a bat now.
The lightsaber combat in Force Unleashed can be excused for not being that great in part because it's not a lightsaber game. It's a force power game. The gameplay is all about "kicking someone's ass with the force" as the developers have said. They did improve the lightsaber combat in the sequel at least.
Jedi Outcast is my favorite Star Wars game precisely because the lightsaber combat was fantastic, but The Force Unleashed is more about Force powers than lightsaber combat and it does that very well. My dream Star Wars game was always to combine Jedi Outcast’s lightsaber combat with The Force Unleashed’s Force powers to be a true Jedi God. Neither Jedi Fallen Order nor Survivor is like that, though they definitely weren’t intending to so that’s okay.
Inquisitors, and their Legends predecessors, Acolytes have the distinction of being limited in how much they're allowed to learn to prevent them from becoming a danger to the Rule of Two. In the original Clone Wars, Count Dooku is forced to hunt down Asajj Ventress when Darth Sidious notices her becoming too powerful. Starkiller however, is a secret apprentice, trained with the express intent of betraying and overthrowing Sidious. Secret apprentices are a classic rite of passage for Legends Sith, who as Shaak Ti is quick to point out, have a long and storied history of betrayal
I personally prefer force unleashed. One reason is nostalgia as i remember playing it in 2015 over and over again and the other reason is the story. I love the characters introduced by the force unleashed, especially Kota, kazdan paratus, starkiller and proxy. I also prefer the pick up and play style of it. With fallen order, levels and environments are so large you have to carve out time whereas with force unleashed, if i want to kill 20 minutes then i can replay a dlc or a level without having to restart the game tp replay specific moments. Just mpo
If only Starkiller wasn't so overpowered and heavily disruptive towards both canon and legends, it would have been very cool to bring him back to intertwine his story with Cal's.
I could be wrong having never played those games , but according to what I've seen here and there about the story of Force Unleashed, looks like his interactions with Vader in particular couldn't fit in canon storyline even if wanting to.
Nonetheless I'd be more than happy being proved wrong if someone coming from a better knowledge of that arc could make sense of a rivalry between the two, providing an high stakes foe for Cal to face
I know, I'm going way way too far 😂
It's this never ending wait for the game's fault! 😢
Starkiller is not overpowered. EVERYONE in Force unleashed is overpowered. It's force powers cranked to 11. Vader does crazy stuff in the intro level. Even Rahm Kota is more powerful than any Jedi or Sith we ever saw in the movies. That's the concept of the games. They are like telltales retelling by witness who exaggerate all the facts. People often say that Starkiller should not be able to beat Vader and Palpatine. Well he didn't. He died while they both walked off. Sam Witwer also said on stream that the 3rd game was going to show Vader's true power and that everything that happens in the 2 first games was part of his plan. Starkiller beat Vader because Vader let him.
Lol well my advice to you not playing TFU is no lol I do not recommend putting Star killer against Cal if he’s anything like the original he’s literally a kid who got kidnapped and trained by Vader his entire life 😅 I didn’t even find him overpowered I just thought hey this is what Vader would teach his student to be like
@@benjamingross9553 If they are too evenly matched it would be really hard. It would all come down to who's plot armor is strongest. lol
Star killer isn't OP, even if you ignore that it was to be revealed that vader let him win, starkiller has an extreme efficiency with force lightning, which is what gives him a chance vs vader, and in every instance where it's lore and not gameplay, in every version of the story, starkiller doesn't even hold a candle to palpatine
The Force Unleashed kept me interested all the way through. In large sections of Fallen Order I was just bored with "oh good another puzzle" being said sarcastically quite often.
It wasn't even as if the puzzles were badly designed in Fallen Order but they really stood out as they were also clearly designed for the purpose of slowing the player down rather than feeling like an integral part of the level.
I can't agree more, you really feel it in this game
This video was great do it again for the 2nd games.
Jedi: Fallen Order version of Vader was a Horror movie. Since Vader person train Starkiller then if Cal encounter Starkiller then Starkiller would be scary and overwhelming. Imagine if he meet him in the Survivor and Starkiller knocked Cal around and then bended his crossguard lightsaber to his neck and asked him: "I don't need to kill you with my blade. You own will do the job nicely." But then Starkiller lets Cal go and reminds him that no matter how far in the Force he gets, fear this the weapon of Sith and Jedi, even if Jedi aren't aware of it.
Still, both games and their sequels (with their pros and cons) are great games.
When Fallen Order first came out, I decided to replay Force Unleashed first because all of these parallels did occur to me. I came to a lot of the same conclusions you did; they're both products of their time.
I think TFU had a bit better overall story (especially in fitting with the canon of the time) with a grander scope, but JFO had a bit better characters (such to the point that I was deeply disappointed that the NPCs didn't get a bigger role, something confirmed to be remedied in the sequel). The one weakness that both games have is a lack of player choices, so the story feels a little bit on rails. TFU does at least have the alternate dark side ending, but JFO gets nothing. I hope Jedi Survivor ends up having ways the player can influence the story as opposed to just going along with it.
I mostly prefer the gameplay of JFO; the movement is better (especially given TFU's frustrating issues in regards to dash-jumping), and the combat is INFINITELY more satisfying to me; TFU basically just comes down to button mashing your way through entire armies, but in JFO, fights feel like actual fights with real stakes and wins feel well earned. The one edge I'll give TFU in terms gameplay is that its intuitive system of moving objects around with the Force was sorely missed when dealing with some of the more frustrating puzzles requiring the same mechanic in JFO.
I think the locations in both games are really well done and have a fair bit of aesthetic variety, although JFO's are prettier overall (that said, it's mostly due to graphical advancements over the decade between the two).
The backtracking in JFO can be a bit irritating, especially if you're lost, but sadly this is a inevitable side-effect of all Metroidvania-style games. That said, while there were some unlockable shortcuts in the game, it definitely could have had more, particularly after key story moments. The devs said that any sort of quick travel would defeat the spirit of the game, but I think that having just a few main "bases" you could QT to (even using an in-universe thing like "oh here's a speeder" would make the game paced a bit better.
Overall, which game is "better" really does boil down to personal taste. For me personally, TFU is pretty nostalgic (though not to the degree of Jedi Knight or KotOR), and elements of it do hold up. But JFO is a more modern game with a lot of innovations; as opposed to sticking to a single genre, it combines elements of many, and does a very good job at it. Between the variety of the game and the overall much better gameplay, personally I find JFO more fun to play. But TFU will always have a special place in my heart as one of the biggest multimedia events in Star Wars history. I'm really excited to play Jedi Survivor though!
I honestly would so love force unleashed come back maybe be remastered or even rebooted to better fit with cannon and get that third game. I do believe a lot of elements from force unleashed could still be done in cannon if worked the right way. And it would make for an excellent duality alongside the jedi Fallen order games. It feels like there's definitely some interest in it from the fanbase as well as disney given to the recent subtle nods to the force unleashed with starkillers sith armor in Andor as an Easter egg. And Rahm Kota being canonized in Obi Wan as a surviving Jedi. There's just been a lot more recent attention to it all.
TFU will always hold a place in my heart for its inclusion of the euphoria system, throwing stormtroopers around in that game never gets old
When I think of it in a *'One Canon'* sense, I believe that, at some point, Galen would be tasked by Vader to try and hunt down Cal, Merrin, and any other Force-users that could be a problem for the Empire....just like how Galen was sent to hunt down and kill Rahm Kota, Kazdan Paratus, and Shaak Ti.
Depending if Cal is still in active "Duty" ^^ the Problem is Force unleashed plays way after Fallen Order and even Jedi Survivor.
It’s honestly a crime against humanity that Galen was purged from the canon. And there has been no attempt to bring him back somehow. I don’t even care if he’s nerfed (as long as it’s not to the point where he’s on a inquisitor level). I just want him back.
He definitely has to be nerfed a ton, he was stronger than anybody else we saw in SW Canon. However he's a very interesting character and I hope it's reintegrated one day.
There's potential this might not age very well...
DEFEATING BOWSER'S WIFE 🤣
didn't know you would fight your own wife
i waited for centuries for this video
hair and water is always really tough to nail in video games & CGI movies. i remember at the moment seeing that Chewbacca hair for the 1st time thinking "wow this looks really good"... now I almost laugh at it 😂
I think they both have highs and lows. The one huge problem that fallen order has is the extreme difficulty in navigating the levels. You can spend hours going in circles trying to get back to a chest or whatever. The map is crap.