Jesus vs. Horus
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Was Jesus based on the Egyptian god Horus? Many on the internet seem to think so, and this video addresses this claim.
Sources:
Plutarch - Isis and Osiris
Erik Hornung - Conceptions of God In Ancient Egypt
James Frazer - Adonis, Attis, Osiris
Christian Roy - Traditional Festivals: A Multicultural Encyclopedia
Claude Traunecker - The Gods of Egypt
Hew Dalrymple Daunt - The Centre of Ancient Civilization
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I can’t stress enough how much educated and rational people like Michael are needed these days.
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Michael has no idea what hes talking about he hasent bothred to research anything , he havent been to the Isis temple dont know anything about Avaris or the hyksos and their importance for the excistence of the city Jerusalem, he dont bother to mention that King David the man Jesus claims decent from is a hycsos decender( shepardking) from Avaris in Egypt and that David is of the holy bloodline because he is related to queen Tyme and Thutmosis , and that queen Tyme was an Isis priestess, with nubian decent, its said that David had curly hair, and that Jesus had short curly hair, that the house of David was royal because they were royal nubier, Salomon was married too a Egyptian princess so Jesus had royal decent from two royal familys, the line of David was benjamites and decendent after Jakob that was renamed Israel after hes emigration to Egypt Israel means El rules through ISIS and Ra, they presist.,
@@evaulrikajansson62 Where are your sources
@@Swectorious This is an answer one a chatmodul one yotube, not a doctoral theses, besides that its from a multitude of sources, mostly learned at high school in Frösåkerschool in Sweden, from a very interested high school teacher named Fred Söderberg, since its from the highschool education, Socialknowledge class its hardly rocket science. He thought us though how to draw conclusions from what we read and try to look beyond what it said and connect it with other reading material available for us.
He's never read the book 'Christ in Egypt.'
It would be pretty hard for Horus to have been crucified since crucifixion wasn't even invented at that time.
Bro, you watch IP’s videos?
Brilliant
eh people were being crucified long before Jesus
@@BobSacamano666 crucifixion was not around at the time of horus. The idea horus was crucified is a lie.
The Romans got crucifixion from the Egyptians.
Anyone who even remotely knows about Horus, knows that his story is nothing like Jesus.
Millions of years prior to Jesus
Jesus is completely different to Horus
Lmao you guys debating imaginary shit
the story doesn't matter that just dogma. the core symbology is where the information and similarities reside. You guys are just in denial because of your bias. It's understandable, the human mind is often like that. The vesica Pisces, the lamb, the sun/son. It clear especially if you know the history of the bible, church, symbology, and esoteric perspectives. Also, this doesn't take away from your faith or Christianity. You guys are nitpicking at dates and numbers of disciples to discredit the similarities. bias at its finest
@Voldemort exactly
I’m good at proofs too. E.g. The Hulk was based on Rumple Stiltskin:
1. They both eat only french toast
2. They both play basketball
3. Neither of them ever saw the ocean and openly regret it, especially in lengthy poems on orange paper mailed to their confused neighbor.
Boom 🙌
It’s one thing If you highlighted important parallels between hulk and rumple stiltskin but you didn’t. All in all F- for not even trying.
Okay so hulk is based on Solomon grundy and Mr Hyde, not rumplestiltskin. That's bs. There's video of marvels artists talking about this. Hulk was actually purple, but a misprint made him grey. Then, grey misprinted green. They made the pants purple in a small homage to the original intention which never seemed to work out.
Whole video on this.
As an atheist, I too am tired of hearing the Horus argument. It took less than 15 minutes of research to determine several of the Jesus/Horus correlations you mention were incorrect....which brought them all into question. Appreciate this video and hope other atheists do the research themselves before regurgitating this argument.
+Proof4Truth - NICE! Thanks - the atheists I know have a lot more emphasis on integrity than some of this - I was disappointed with Maher to use it in his movie - he has PLENTY of info to work with without having to use made up info.
Pointing out differences doesn't exclude the obvious similarities. Example: if I were to start a fast food restaurant called burger queen you would say "dude you're copying off of Burger King" and me going "nope mine says queen theirs says king so obviously they are different because kings are men and queens are women" the entire Horus vs Jesus debate should also show that every civilization has their own God created in the image of man.
At least your honest
Exactly! I'm glad that some folks are @ least being honest.
Jay Buc / Similarities, that's what it's all about.
Horus his mum got pregnant using a dildo, so obviously she was no virgin, it wasn't a miracle it happens all the time. Lol.
He obviously is very subjective in his resurch,, let us guess why.
I thought it's gonna be like a Playstation game fight showing energy level of both the God's at the top corners
Jesus would win
Someone has to that
Bro Jesus is a weak skinny bitch. Horus would tear that ass up.
@@tastybanana420 Jesus is also a suffering human before his rescurition he'd die right away
@@tastybanana420 You realise according to the bible Jesus is almighty(omnipotent) so i dont think so.
Aye yo I didn’t know Horus still had a fan base lol
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I am surprized christ still has one
Take activation of your heart from ALRA tv
@@FreedomSpirit108 It's almost like he was a real person.
Lol
Isis being a virgin threw me because i thought her and Osiris were one of the most famous mythology romances
I remember hearing about this while watching Zeitgeist. I paused the video and quickly googled it, only to find out that there was no evidence for any of the claims made in the Zeitgeist movie. It only took 30 seconds to discover that the whole film was anti-christian lies with no basis in reality. Yet millions of people just lapped this up as if it were true, because people these days are so quick to jump on the anti-christian bandwagon.
YES! SAME!
You forgot to mention that there is also NO historical proof of Jesus - Score 1:1
@@paal8193 why would there be if there's a cover-up? Who do you think you get your archeological facts from, genius?
@@paal8193 actually there is! If you look up, there are a lot of historical keeping that talk about Jesus, both from Jews and high ranked officials. In fact, we know Jesus was real because there are writing talking about him in a negative light saying he was a sorcerer. Why would anyone randomly talk about someone they see as evil? I encourage you to do more research! :) because even if you don’t believe in God, not believing in Jesus is like not believe in Caesar. You might not have liked him, but it was still real.
@@paal8193 There's actually more contemporary proof of Jesus than Plato, Socrates and Alexander the Great. Do you actually deny they have existed?
Thank you for the work you have done making these videos. This is extremely helpful and important info to have.
Damn bro I thought this was some fighting shit, I’m mad disappointed rn
Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews was the first official mention of Jesus some 92-94 years after his birth, and he was just a footnote. I fail to believe that someone who walked on water, converted water to wine, fed a populace, healed the sick, raised the dead, was crucified and came back to life did not get noticed by authorities. The story of Jesus is bullshit.
John Phantom there is historical evidence of Jesus, even the Jewishs wrote those documents
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
John Phantom some early church creeds are dated back to 5 years post cruxifiction
😂😂😂
But Jesus birth wasn’t exactly on the 25
*_There was no jesus._*
@Siroun Tilman *_You too._*
@@faizan2987 ...and you know this how exactly? By faith? 😂
@Toodank2bunderstood *_why?_*
@Toodank2bunderstood *_I'm not interested in Roman history._*
Do Jesus VS Mayweather.
Mayweathers first loss, you cant beat what doesnt exist
Wtf 😂😂
@@curmidgeon8 how can you lose to what doesnt exist?
mayweather just keep runnin
@@joshuatraffanstedt2695 the fight wont be shown anywhere, no ppv, noone in attendance. A book will come out after this supposed fight that will take through jesus' whole 6 week training camp culminating in his eventual win over mayweather.
@InspiringPhilosophy Please do more of this Videos! Thank you 😊
Finally someone that actually does his research and simply states the facts
Thank you sir ❤👊🏾
You do realize, Christ wasn’t born of the virgin mary either, Mary Cheated On her Husband, She had sex with many men and one of them are jesus’s trve father.. Mary had to make up a lie so she told her husband it was a miracle
Uhhh no he didn't do his research well.
@charliejackson5492 you're right he forgot to watch dumb tiktok videos
@@charliejackson5492 yeah he did he showed the evidence
@@GezerGozer no he didn't he didn't show the evidence he Cherry picked sources and used only things on his own biased preconceived double standard agenda like you normally does if you actually used actual sources with evidence he wouldn't be doing this s*** right now and he wouldn't be lying on here.
So you are quite ignorant and you need a lot so once again Jesus loses again and again and Horus Win after during and before Jerzzezz the Antichristos. Get over it.
The western hemisphere is so obsessed with Egypt ...
There is an issue with that. They (Europeans) who stole the land from Indians in america got their pagan roman beliefs from egyptians. Just rearrange their gods. I'm simple. Just believe in TMH
Yah-Will-Do-It the Egyptians didn’t worship gods they were *SYMBOLS* the Egyptians who were black btw where spiritual they didn’t worship they sun they knew the suns importance to them and the earth Horus and all the other “gods” where like levels to their spirituality
@@nagaskay7381 Horus, Isis, Osiris etc were gods dude. Ra is their Sun god (god of creation)
Yah-Will-Do-The Egyptians believed in a creator but the sun wasn’t just the creator, the creator was in all melanated beings and stars throughout the universe but they didn’t worship them they connected with them through meditating, third eye etc.
Yah-Will-Do-It also the Egyptians learned of the suns importance to them and their planet they didn’t literally worship it, it was more of a respect thing
I found this interesting, I never equated Horus to Jesus (as I have looked into Ancient Egypt and the Kemetic Faith as a deep seeded interest for a while now). There are motifs of other parts of the religion that link Christianity/Chatholosism/(all the others) to Kemet but this certainly wasn't one, and I'm glad I never actually heard of these misconceptions before this video but I try to verify my sources are accurate as unbiased as possible. I'm still learning a lot about it from the hundreds of books on the subject and a lot of it is up to personal interpretation but I do appreciate videos like this that kind of debunk things or bring evidence to the light.
Have you heard of jabari osaze?
Lol yea this was for people who actually was believing in Horus and have some type of edge feeling of Jesus cuz they don’t got a life but to hate online 🤷♂️
Thanks for taking the time to put this straight the point video together :-)
He changed everything to fit his agenda. Research for yourself. The information been on the walls Ancient Egypt original information always been there for thousands of years now
@@hermanharper4594 He is only debunking the claim made by atheist on the internet.
@@hermanharper4594Could you point one out. My egyptologist professor would like to know
Let me know when the Egyptians used a Hebrew title for their deities (Messiah) millennia before the Hebrew language existed.
And in what world did the ancient Egyptians use crucifixion? Crucifixion can never be attested to earlier than the Persians around 600-500 BC
So if it wasn t attested it didn t happen
There were multiple forms of “crucifixions” before the invention of the Roman cross. Ancient Egyptians during the New Kingdom period mainly used hanging and impalements on transgressors.
@@SergiuSalcau00 If one makes up a bunch of arguments out of thin air to conveniently support their thesis then yeah - it probably didn´t happen.
@@Rotisiv There are good reasons why hanging and impalement are never called crucifixion. You dont get nailed when you're hanged, you just got your neck broken or suffocated until you die. And you dont get nailed when you're impaled, you just got stabbed in from below all the way through your mouth. Where as in crucifixion, your hands and feet are nailed on a tree/wood until your bleed out all your blood or you die before that.
@@Rotisiv again, this is equivalent to crucifixion how??
Thanks for the heads up. Will check out your sources. You researched this, right?
Look on description
"Hey can I copy your homework?"
"Yea just change it up a little"
TRUTH
When someone copies your homework and got more right answers than yours.
Saint Knight the video literally went over his head. 😂
Most likely it was copied and then modified somewhat.
excalibur2112 the video went over your head too.
Good stuff!
About the "resurrection after 3 days" story. The Egyptians were astronomers, they learned that the shortest days of the year (which we now know in the Julian calendar as December 23, 24 & 25) made them conclude that the sun god Ra (or some other god that I forgot) was dead during those 3 days, to be resurrected afterwards.
Another possible Egyptian import is the Christian's prayer ending "Amen". The sun god Ra was traditionally prayed to by chanting his full name "Amen-Ra". Though Egyptogists do deny this, they dismiss this as mere coincidence.
But Egyptian mythology's greatest contribution is the introduction of monotheism by pharaoh Akhenaten. If not for him, modern people (Judaists, Christians, Muslims) will be worshipping multiple gods instead.
Except the number 3 is something was commonly used throughout the Old Testament. 3 days was associated with a journey, darkness or a sacrifice. In Genesis, Joseph was in jail for 3 days,
In Exodus for example, the Israelites plead with the Pharaoh 3 times to travel for 3 days in order to sacrifice. The Ninth Plague, Darkness, which God punished Egypt with was for 3 days. The Ark of the Covenant took 3 days to receive, and another 3 days for them travel with it to a resting spot. There's a whole bunch more verses that state the important of 3.
"Amen" is Hebrew for "So be it"
Have you read the Hebrew Bible? The Jews have a habit of repeatedly worshiping multiple gods long after their time in Egypt. In fact, it's something that lasts even when they are in the Promised Land. God has to repeatedly punish them for continuously breaking their Covenant. Even if the Pharaoh Akhenaten may have introduced the idea of monotheism, which I doubt. The Jews clearly weren't that reciprocal or obedient towards it.
not True. Before Akhenaten, some of the hyksos were monotheist and they lived in northern Egypt before the 18th dynasty.
Very informative, thank you
I read "Reinventing Jesus" a few years ago, a very good book on stuff like this
Okay, although I agree with you, the winter solstice was December 25th on the Julian calendar
jesus was born in the spring of fall
August 21, 7 BC. To be exact.
@@dougoverhoff7568 So he was born before Christ. Now thats some cool stuff right there.
@@mutrox As we recon time, moron!
Doug Overhoff LMAOOOOO
December 25th was not an estimate of Jesus' birth. Other than that, you're right.
Regarding the source for all this nonsense, it's Gerald Massey. When Zeitgeist first came out they had a website where they listed all their citations. They cited Gerald Massey for all the Jesus is Horus nonsense. Massey was an Egyptologist who developed his theories before the Rosetta Stone. So he was literally looking at pictures and trying to make a story out of it.
The great irony of this is it was Massey's own familiarity of the story of Jesus which caused him to see these stories in the hieroglyphs.
jesus was born in september i think.
It was tho
He said in the video it was an estimate.
@@dianeross4522 and he was wrong
@@controlclerk Except he wasn't, people did actually estimate Jesus was born on December 25th.
Thx for the clarity bro.
Very informative and awesome. Thank you!
This has been debunked thoroughly many, many times. I roll my eyes anytime someone brings up a "Horus Connection" to Jesus. Nice video though.
Is your entire point in this comment section to yell "you too!" as loud and as often as you can?
***** You and I both know that verse means do not judge hypocritically. It does not even require deep interpretation.
so unless you can prove I'm guilty of yelling "you too" kindly shut up.
***** sure jan.
first, you didn't point out errors... you just asserted there are some... second, the verse is directed at people's actions, not ideas.
***** your points are probably just as weak as your other comments on this vid...
I love your videos man
I love how all the horus simps are seething in the comment section just because their nonsense has been smashed.
Check out the Egyptian Calendar :) Horus was supposedly born on the third of the five epagomenal days at the end of the year, at the flooding of the Nile in the Summer. So nowhere near the winter! Good video.
Yes, Jesus mom, a 12 year old was raped by God, sometime in August.
Bill Maher also uses this "evidence" against Christ's existence in Religulous.
Well there's a reason way he's mostly viewed as an idiot nowadays
Jordan Cox Best comedy movie ever right?
Jordan Cox ah, Bill Maher. The one who spoke the universe into existence. * Rolls eyes*
Praise be to Christ
Bill is a joke, but that doesn't make the bible true, or christianity right. Just means lots of atheists got way ahead of theirselves and forgot about being skeptical.
it would be great if you had wrote the sources and citations from where you took the information
Thank you sir! This is very good!
William Lane Craig gave the best rebuttal about this whole Horus nonsense when he debated Krauss. If you have any atheist or anti-christian friends who trumpet around this myth, just ask them this:
The disciples of Jesus were Jews and they live in a Jewish culture. They want to convince their fellow Jews that Jesus is the Messiah and to do that, they're going to borrow a myth from the Egyptians?
Wait what?
or citation needed.
Either works
Maybe they would use it comparatively to explain a universal concept that is beyond, space, time, culture or creed. I'm not equating the two, or dismissing either, just pointing out that it is a possibility that comparisons were used.
+Trevor Martin God did say he made fools of the wise, after all.
....and how would you possibly know that?
hereLiesThisTroper This video is for indoctrinated white "people". The false Jews from Khazaria who are in IsRAel - (Isis-Ra-El) have stolen EVERYTHING they know from Ancient Kemet but when youre a spiritless white boy with a calcified pineal gland and aboslutely no knowledge of life , history and self. Who are you really. nothing. youre just clinging on to a comfortable lie system. the white man is only a 6,000 years old "being" on Earth. FACT. Africans/Egyptians/MiddleEastern/ whatever name you perfer weve been here for millions of years so with that logic alone you HAD to steal our shit. there couldnt have been a fucking jesus christ...the stupid bible you people wrote dont even match up, they describe him with wooly hair and skin of burnt brass lol but you show a white man with long barbie doll hair great job you had no story, you had no home, you had no culture, no sense of anything. then we generous africans tried to take you fuckers in and teach you instead you killed, raped, robbed our people, stole our mystery system which is known today as Freemasonry and rewrote history as we know it and put yourself in our story. created christianity, judaism, religion, money. Africa was a true Kindom a place of Royalty now in ruins and famine, thanks to whites who BORROWED our egyptian dieties to create a white man in the sky, and enslave our people because they know the power we posses.. WE just dont know it but were WAKING UP. they stole our shit because our people were creating heaven on earth due to their natural spiritual sense and knowledge of the comos. all sciences, physics, medicines, astrology etc it all started in Akebulan back when there was only ONE huge land mass, it was all black people. it was a black planet. thats why anywhere you travel today youll see black people and black art, temples, structures. black history is WORLD history. we wasnt just standing around waiting for millions of years for white people to come along and enslave us. we had our own spiritual system that YOU STOLE and created Jesus with bitch.
as you go through each detail, you showed how many similarities the two figures do have- If we just take the basic fact that hundreds of religions have a son-god who is born, dies and returns to the gods, have a flood myth, coincidentally have a god that favors their particular group over others, and have holidays based on celestial activity that affects agriculture is huge.
None of them compare to Jesus or Christianity. You have to look at the details.
God favored his people as long as they obeyed him.
So what ur saying is because Christianity has somethings in common with other religions it must be fabricated? And those things that they have in common are vague sweeping statements that don't actually apply in detail when compared
@@InspiringPhilosophy Yes it's like Star Wars episode IV and episode VII. They are different in the details, but the overall story is exactly the same.
Hi Michael. Icecked the book of James Frazer and I couldn't find the reference about Horus being born in a swamp. you wrote page 8, but there's nothing like that. are you sure it is in page 8?
Great stuff
I remember when a former-Christian friend brought this up to me. I remember being blind-sided and having no answers, let alone ever heard of it. All I knew was that egyptian mythology was based on a scale system (a methodology of works), and that Christianity was solely unique in that it shatters all other paganistic/religious notions through redemption through grace (the superiority of faith, and the predominance of the heart). Which also happens to align with reality (relativity>causality), and the intrinsic value of all relationships. Needless to say it still troubled me, till I did some research on the claims made. The over-reach of parallelism finally came to light as I dug further. The data skewed, was disheartening. Because it was orchestrated in such a way, that it drew power from guilt-ing you from questioning its sources. How dare I reject what someone has put so much time to fabricate (this was an actual appeal against personal research)? Later I found out that even the very appeal is vacuous, as even legitimate secular scholars consider it as absolute nonsense. Thank you for covering this, and equiping those who haven't been introduced to this desperate attempt at a hollow genetic fallacy.
Yes, I can attest that people still believe this garbage. So thank you again.
Gabage like every religion and human
You friend was right
@@MarcXisme what
@@yesitsme889 how
I’ve been struggling with this problem regarding Zoroastrianism. It’s really troubling my faith.
Thank you for this!
Thank you very much for this video. It is just what I need.
Thank you, Keep up the good work
I can't believe people still parrot the Horus vs Jesus myth. The stuff has been debunked for years now lol.
Because people want to live in comfortable lies.
That is profoundly ironic.
Jaydubb Wilson oh it had like how I can use you're own word yo debunk that you know, Matthew 11:27 says none of you know the Son or the Father.
Debunked by those who copy Jesus from Horus the liars ad tricksters
Miguel Lindsay so you met me? Didn't think so....so as far as I'm concerned you're all liars...
About the 3 wise men, there is also the myth that everyone believes that Noah got 2 of each animal into the Ark, the bible actually says he was ordered to bring 7 pairs of each ”clean beast”, 4 pairs of each ”unclean beasts” and 7 pairs of each bird
Speaking of Noah Did you know Nimrod is Osiris?
Lol!!! And where did they keep all the food necessary to feed all of those animals? How did they keep the food from rotting without refrigeration? Since the flood destroyed all plant life, what did they all eat when the ark rested on a mountaintop? Where did they get enough fresh drinking water for all of the animals and Noah's family? You brainwashed Christians will believe anything!
Love the fact that he himself says in the end, with no real evidence there's no need to believe the claims.........The whole bible is a claim with no proof at all other than hearsay:)
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@@InspiringPhilosophy The video is clearly biased and loaded with assumptions and intellectual dishonesty!!!...... We don’t even know who wrote the Gospels, and even amongst them, they contradicted exact events, thus establishing a flaw that can’t be dismissed. They would have also been written post fact and based solely on testimony, no actual first hand witness and that is a fact!!!
Today you can speak to people who’ve encountered aliens and speak to them first hand of their experience, does it mean aliens are real or is it possible to have an experience and interpret it wrongly!!!! The Video like Christianity, conflates truths but then inherently smuggles in supernatural events. So what if a Jesus existed or was crucified…this is highly possible….. but when you then make the claim, he rose from the dead rather than consider 100 more other likely scenarios you’ve made a massive leap in reality!!!!!!
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PDSDownunder you do make a valid point
@@jamespoche2551 thank you:)
I need a book for this topic that has more details. I have been curious about this for soooo long 😍😍😍
About time someone made this. Thanks IP. This is a like a religious belief amongst atheists/agnostic.
Well yes, if said apologist is making religious claims that are undisputedly false.
Well yes, if said apologist is making religious claims that are undisputedly false.
Yep, if an apologist is making unsupported claims they should be corrected. That's what is called being objective.
***** Well thats not an apologist making a claim...
***** No they didn't lol Now THAT is a claim with little backing
The funniest part is the fact that crucifixion wasn't even a thing back then. It came along about 1,000 years AFTER Horus.
They never did research
Thats why
@@iamwhoyoucall2329 what research did you do pray tell?
@@supercake2270
I went to Wikipedia
@@iamwhoyoucall2329 wikipedia? the same website that calls jehidis whitehelmets
@@supercake2270 show us your research that points to the similarities actually being true. Otherwise it's just a fun little story to some but can be dangerous.
A little information is dangerous information don't blindly believe what you see on CZcams and the likes of Facebook.
I never do requests like this but you are so good at what you do... can you please discuss the similarities between Christ and Zoroastrianism? Thanks!!!
he already did it :)
That's Gnosticism.
I'm a Christian Gnostic
@@bobbymoore3862 then you aren't a Christian
@MarkelMathurin I'm not even that, this post is months ago, your religions are a joke compared to the Most High God.. Christ wasn't a Christian so what's your point. He sung a song of harmony and peace and light.. all you idiots did was take 1/3 of the teachings running off with it plagiarized the hell out of it and remove actually translations of the bible
InspiringPhilosophy great job on all these types of videos. May God bless you.
Amen
I rather worship Egyptian gods and goddesses instead of following God tbh
y tho
AngRepublika _ because of this, Ephesians 4:18
“They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.”
Good luck with that...
@@dstri1 Yeah really? Like you are going to heaven by worshipping a psychopathic homophobic god who killed millions of people in egypt Lol 🤣
@@justadude7598 I am not worshiping a bla bla god as youve written. I worship God Almighty, the Alpha Omega the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He is my Heavenly Father to whom I cry abba father and I love him as he loves me too. As for you I pray that The spirit of the living God gives you and encounter. Amen.
Great job. Nice study honestly. It takes a lot of courage to speak as you did in this. Thank you for doing this
"It is interesting that Isis is addressed as Hwn.t in a sarcophagus oracle that deals with her mysterious pregnancy. In a text in the Abydos Temple of Seti I, Isis herself declares: “I am the great virgin.” … In the Late Period in particular, goddesses are frequently called “(beautiful) virgins,” especially Hathor, Isis, and Nephthys."
-Dr. Jan Bergman and Dr. Helmer Ringgren, in Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament, Vol. II (339)
So I am Isis.
So I am a flame goddess.
You are Osiris.
I am mother to Horus.
I am sister to the god.
I am Hmmy.t.
I am the Great Virgin.
Temple of Seti I, Chapel of Osiris, West Wall-South Gate (13th century BCE)
Amice M. Calverley and Myrtle F. Broome, The Temple of King Sethos I at Abydos: Volume I, The Chapels of Osiris, Isis and Horus, ed. A.H. Gardiner (London: The Egypt Exploration Society, 1933), pl.9.
Notice Isis says she is Horus' Mother THAN says she's a "Great Virgin"
"In Egypt the epithets add.t, rnn.t and Hwn.t, ‘girl; young woman; virgin’, are applied to many goddesses-e.g. Hathor and Isis-who had not yet had sexual intercourse."
Dr. Bob Becking, in Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible (891)
Indeed Osiris died before he could consumate marriage and take Isis's Virginity
"The marriage of Isis and Osiris was a very brief one, so brief, indeed, that they were not able to consummate their union while Osiris was alive. “Come to me, fair face who passed beyond without my having seen him,” Isis says after the death of her husband, leading one to suppose that he was murdered before their wedding night."
Dr. Dimitri Meeks and Dr. Christine Favard-Meeks , Daily Life of the Egyptian Gods (69)
In relation to the severed phallus myth Egyptologist Jan Assman says "The Egyptian Texts which seldom mention this scene know nothing of this detail"
Jan Assman Death and Salvation in Ancient Egypt (25)
“…[Osiris’s] parts were collected by Isis, and his body was duly resurrected by her, although the phallus was missing. This obliged the goddess to resort to parthenogenesis in order to conceive and bring forth Horus.”
-Dr. James S. Curl, The Egyptian Revival, p. 15.
Parthenogenesis means “virgin birth”:
“PARTHENOGENESIS. The myth that certain divine beings or culture-heroes have owed their birth to a mother without the co-operation of a father has been found to be widespread. For example, Isis, Cybele, Leto, Demeter, and Venus are all represented as ‘virgin’ mothers. The Chinese culture-hero Hon Chi was born of a mother who conceived by treading in the footprint of God. The principal deity of the Uapes Indians of Brazil, Jurupari, was born of a virgin who conceived after drinking a draught of native beer….”
-Maurice Arthur Canney, An Encyclopaedia of Religions, 278.
"Aeon/Horus was born of the virgin Isis on 6 January....The Egyptian Goddess who was equally the "Great Virgin" (Hwnt) and mother of the god was bestowed upon the very same praises as her successor (The Virgin Mary)"
Reginald E Witt Isis in the ancient world (218) (273)
"As Mithraism moved westward it proved a fertile ground for the addition of mystic meaning practically all the symbolism of Osiris was added to the Mithraic cultus even to the fact that Isis became the virgin mother of Mithras"
Gerald L Berry Religions of the world (56)
"-Cybele, Aphrodite, Demeter, Astarte, Isis, Hathor, Inanna and Ishtar like them she (Mary) is both virgin and mother and like many of them she gives birth to a half human half divine child who dies and is reborn"
Anne Baring and Jules Cashford The Myth of the Goddess Evolution of an Image (548)
"Isis also discovered the elixir of immortality, and when her son Horus fell victim to the plots of the
Titans and was found dead beneath the waves, she not only raised him from the dead and
restored his soul, but also gave him eternal life"
Diodorus Siculus Antiquites of Egypt (31)
As we can see Isis reserrected Horus from the dead just as she did Osiris!
And also my online buddy Neal Boswell has a wordpress website and a free 900 page Ebook going into details using the works and quotations of highly credentialed scholars to support every major parallel between Osiris, Horus and JEEEZZUSS! both of which I shall link below:
mythodoxy.wordpress.com/
www.scribd.com/doc/217853241/Pagan-Parallels-The-Ultimate-Source-Guide
file:///home/chronos/u-1bc73d42013b37ccb358fad137bb9237b796cac9/MyFiles/Downloads/Zeitgeist%20The%20movie%20Companion%20source%20guide.pdf
stellarhousepublishing.com/isis-is-a-virgin-mother/
stellarhousepublishing.com/bart-ehrman-errs-again-this-time-about-virgin-births/
web.archive.org/web/20130808055029/freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2354
stellarhousepublishing.com/rebuttal-to-dr-forbes-zeitgeist-part-1/
stellarhousepublishing.com/luxor/
drabruzzi.com/Mithraism%20and%20Christianity.htm
www.jesusgranskad.se/jesus_parallels.htm
www.ex-christian.net/topic/84737-article-r4411-an-ultimate-gospel-for-defending-mythicism/?tab=comments#comment-1230353
Are there any books on this series? I am curious and would love to read about it
Fantastic Video. Thanks for Sharing. I will add it to my library.
one questions.. why do you use the Jesus with the halo on him
Thanks, I have always been confused by this line of talking points. It would be nice to see the actual data the purveyors of these messages rely upon.
They are fully available and transparent about the sources used fir each statement if interested. They have been available for years easy to access.
Do "Was Jesus based on the comic book character Superman?"
..., no..., this particular "superman aka spiderman" jekyl / hyde is the reprobate, the false prophet..., "the son of perdition...," the "false Christ" aka the "anti-Christ...," "666" and The Mark of the Beast Pyramidal aka Slavery Ruling System aka the "New World Order" aka the "Novus Ordo Seclorum" for their "ALL SEEING EYE of HORUS...,"---> their "all seeing"👁 of technology ( AI technologies, drone technologies, voyEUrism technologies, their "teLIEvision" aka "tel👁vision technologies, their universal and global "all seeing eye" Lucipherian aka Lucipher aka Lucifer satellite technologies for ----> 🤟👹Lucipher aka Lucipher aka Ba'al aka Baphomet aka Satan aka the Devil worship and global man and beast technologies!!! Pharoah and Nimrod Tower of Babel Monetary System.
"Mystery Babylon" written of and about of The Revelation of Jesus Christ aka Yeshua Ha'meschiac.
🤔😏🙄🤨🤔
@@marshaperez4158 calm down
Superman is Alien from space
Well you should actually say the question in reverse "is Superman based on Jesus?" which would be yes.
@@gaiusoctavius5935 Superman? He is not based on Jesus.
Where can I order the books you referenced in the video?
Oh and I've also heard that December 25th is a symbolic date used to help pagans more easily assimilate to Christianity
No true.
+InspiringPhilosophy sorry. Did you mean: no, true? Or not true?
+InspiringPhilosophy that's just what my religion teacher taught me. It made sense because it's like the coming of light for the world. Practicing Catholic btw so I'm not arguing with you about the validity of Jesus
That's pretty much just made up by protestants to try to discredit the Catholic Church. This lie has even become accepted by many historians. You only need to simply look at the Church father's writings and see that they were afraid of Christmas being so close to pagan holidays as they didn't want the religion to seem pagan or absorb pagan ideas.
+toahordika6 then how do you explain the use of the Christmas tree? this evergreen tree was a pagan ritual used to celebrate the winter solstice. research your history before you post on here & then fabricate a lie falsely accusing the protestant reformation.
Jesus is greater than religion & all these stupid traditions from men. bible never says december & never says the 25th. the true symbol of Christmas is the nativity to remember the birth of Lord & Savior. not an evergreen tree from pagan origins a la nimrod...
When I saw the last claim I just knew it's all BS lmao
Also gotta love all the triggered people in the comment section... I can imagine IP saying "Oh sh#t! here we go again" whenever he opens his inbox
It is sort of amusing to see both sides of the argument "makin shit up" to back up made up shit. Indeed it is amusing ( and sometimes scary) to read the comment sections of vids similar to this.
Wow I didn’t realize there were so many angry Horus followers out there.
It’s like people just don’t like evidence of Jesus not being a myth. 🤔
Jesus is the eye in the pyramid. He is the chief cornerstone. 👁
Because it is an attack on their Horus religion
Lol jesus IS a myth, they all are... that’s the point!
@@nickywh1t3
Not a SINGLE secular historian believes Jesus was not a real person. We have more documentation that he’s a real person than ANY other ancient historical person.
So why do you believe he’s a myth?
@@BloodnightStudios what proof? Book that was written 100+ years after his death? There was credible historians that lived during and just after he “died” he was not mentioned by any... just a book of fairytales.
You are amazing!!!!
Thank you for the video. I miss judged what I was watching and I apologize for my first reply and have since deleted it. I didn't watch the whole thing and missed a crucial sentence in the first 17seconds saying that these are the claims of some mysticist. Ive been tired of hearing people use this as an arguement without proper research as well as other mis direction of people who cant stand that people have a different view and have to use lies to confuse. I retract my earlier post and apologize for my embarrassing quickness to comment on something in a negative manner that I hadn't properly listened to or watch the whole way through. I have brought shame upon myself by doing the exact thing that I dislike others doing.
I instead move to the other side of the spectrum thanking you for providing a truthful aproach and honest straightforward-ness to the myths and misdirection of others. And your simply, calm reply giving me the chance to recover instead of easily pointing out my fault.
What’s up with Horus and sets semen lettuce 🥬?
Someone admitting their misjudgment on the internet? Did I enter another dimension?
So what is your view on religion now
It's sad that you had to take the time to make this video.
its sad to correct misinformation?
+TheGeckoNinja No, it's sad that the hatred of Jesus is so extreme that such propaganda is used to attempt to destroy people's faith. Or alternatively, keep others from believing.
+TheGeckoNinja It's sad that such absurd misinformation exists.
unfortunately these days the hatred against Christianity is so deep in the world that Atheists , Muslims and Jews are pulling any claim out of their ass to try and say that Jesus never existed.. there is no limits to their desperation.. so these claims do need to be adressed
Don't worry, the others are next. One at a time. They're all Abrahamic. So once one goes, so shall the rest. This is why the moderates of each Abrahimic religion preach tolerance for other religions. There is an intuitive awareness for self preservation. Moderates are well aware not to disparage other religions, because of the inherent frailty of their own. There is tacit agreement to respect each other B.S... Fundamentalism is religious cancer. It eventually kills the host.
Where did u get this Storys of Horus.
How can I get an english Egyptian bible?
I've heard them say that Horus Waked on water because he is God of the sun , and that when the sun sets on water it's him walking on water ?
WTF
@xoS†ory Yep, heard the same.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Why did you cuss Mike?
Not actually walking on water you idiot but the reflection of the sun being on the water is the symbolic concept of what's being stated when it comes to Horus he didnt fucking exist either.
They are concepts that mean something. No one walks on water. They wasnt writing like we are today! Wtf....its myth all of it. Jesus is definitely. At least horus was smart enough to bulid a temple with HIS belief in it. THE BIG THING ABOUT IT IS NO ONE WANTS TO TELL YOU THAT NO ONE KNOWS WHY WE HERE. PEOPLE WOULD FREAK OUT. SO I PUT A PROGRAM IN PLACE FOR THOSE WHO WOULD BELIEVE AND LIVE POSTIVE AND THEY HAD AND STILL DO HAVE TO KEEP MAKING LAWS FOR PEOPLE WHO DO WRONG......PERIOD
WE JUST DONT KNOW WHY WE HERE.....
Thank you!! Most biblical scholars believe Jesus was born in Sept btw.
It would have been winter in december. *Why would shepherds be out with their sheep in winter?* Why would mary and joseph be put up in a "barn" during winter? Not to mention this was in the desert (with water sources) and the desert gets very cold at night, let alone in winter.
Israel average Dec temperature
14°C 56°F
Low Temperature
9°C 48°F
High Temperature
18°C 64°F
Do you have any data for Night/Day respectively?
Night is the low temperature 9°C 48°F
Because it was also around the time Hanukkah and more sheep were needed for those who came to Jerusalem to celebrate and offer sacrifices. And the barn was not a separate building like we think of in modern times, it was part of the main house and at least as warm.
Not saying that Jesus was born on December 25th, just saying that there IS an answer to that question. But if He was born then, at the start of the Festival of Dedication, the Festival of Lights, then was circumcised at the end of the festival.... makes one pause, does it not?
Amazing!
After Osiris death, The next morning, Isis returned to the river with her sister, Nepthys and her friends, to perform the necessary rituals, only to find Osiris's body gone! Isis transformed into a huge bird and flew high over Egypt. Using her sharp vision, she was able to find all the [13] pieces of the body to put Osiris back together (except for the phallus). Bandaged, neither living nor dead, Osiris had become a mummy. Transforming herself into a large bird, she flew over Osiris false phallus (made of gold) by which she became pregnant. Nine months later Isis bore him a son, Horus. After which Osiris became the God/Judge of the underworld. Horus, avenged Osiris murder. The story of Osiris, the dying and resurrected god, is also the story of the land: the Nile that settles within its banks during one season, only to overflow those banks and fertilize the land during another.
Sounds as far fetched as the Bible.
@@BobSacamano666 keep coping with that nonsense.
@@tking2199 your right the bible is nonsense.
@@tking2199 Jesus blows.
So there was a Horus. Ok
What makes the Jesus story a true story?
Jesus has another twin named Mithra!
Easy his body is never founded like every other religion were their body have been found. If Jesus body was found then the religion itself would have completely failed.
Not sure if people are having vision of Horus but for sure many in middle east have vision of Jesus speaking to them... unless those people at ME are lying in such unified way though they are not connected...
Faith
SuperCake 22 ....... Jesus was a real person as Horus was a fictional character . The end
Where did you get these claims 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️😂😂 I’m glad you found a way to make your end results work in your favor
Dr Knight I suggest you check their credibility or cross reference. Can’t argue with time or be bias. You have compelling arguments however look at the patterns repeated in Christianity. Understand the influence.
These non believers really try hard to discredit the existence of Jesus. It’s pretty sad really.
Not really you're being intellectually lazy and frankly
Ignorant.
Thanks for clearing that up.
I totally agree....but I'm also waiting for evidence that most of these happened to Jesus.
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Exactly
Your missing the point here. When comparing the ANCIENT evidence and writing the two do not match and there are no similarities. The point here was not proving one was real over the other, but showing the obvious lie that they were similar in their ancient writings.
If you want to research the case for the bible being real check out Josh McDowell's work.
Don't wait! Read! Josh McDowell's "Evidence Demands a Verdict". there you will find evidence.
@@gailrupprecht9481 Josh is a Christian apologist. No evidence. Learn to read Hebrew and you will know Josh and Jesus need to be thrown in the trashcan.
Well there is evidence of horus what evidence do you hav of jesus ?
Look up Flavius Josephus he spoke of Jesus as a real man..and how do we know the Egyptian hieroglyphics is documentation ? How do we know it's not comic strips ? Or cartoons ? How TF do u translate drawings ?
Also, the coming of the messiah was foretold in the Old Testament. How old is the Old Testament? Basically, all the religious that say Jesus copied them, are actually them copying the Old Testament.
Awesome bro
horus did comand osiris to rise "Stand up for me, father! Stand up for me, Osiris Nemtiemzaf
Merenre! It is I, your son: I am Horus." pyramid texts of merenre
I sense heretic
@@nobodylameguy6049 if your faith is based on the originality of the bible i have bad news for you my frined
@@rutsmuller heresy .for the emperor!!!
@@rutsmuller shut up magnus the red you've betrayed the emperor as his son
@Lars Sørensen i believe in jesus and his miracles but i just know for a fact that whoever wrote the texts was using the mythology of the region to embellish it
No one said they took the whole story they took what they wanted.
@shaz I actually believe that the man existed I just don't believe that the attributes that they give him walking on water are true.
@shaz You keep believing whatever you want.
@shaz I never said miracles aren't possible I said I don't believe a human being can walk on water or a woman getting pregnant without a man's sperm and I do not believe in your God whether it's true or not I do not know but I don't believe.
@shaz circular reasoning try reading other books beside the Bible Richard Dawkins The God delusion is a very good read.
Literally nothing about Horus's story and characteristics as a god resembles Jesus.
Can you please do a video of hermetic writings. I hope you can help me understand this . I love your work thank you
Where was Horus mentioned what book
"There will be days you will seek me but wont find me"
"Who ever finds the meaning of these words will not taste death "
"If someone becomes < like > (God), he will become full of light.
But if he becomes one, separated (from God), he will become full of darkness."
Jesus is talking to the Pharasees who rejected him
"Blessed is the lion that a person will eat and the lion will become human.
And anathema is the person whom a lion will eat and the lion will become human.”
The Lion-man of the Hohlenstein-Stadel figurine is dated to be 35,000 to 40,000 years old.
So some of these ideas date back to the proto indo European myths .
Leviticus 20:9 says parents can kill their kids if they cuss at them. You people that quote the Bible probably never read the whole bible. You are told quotes and you just repeat them never doing your own research.
Who's quoting the Bible?
How about do some REAL research instead of watching the Zeitgeist film
Exactly! Like the fact that all major religions in the world today derive from Ancient Egypt. That civilization as we know it today started in ancient Egypt.
LMAOo
@@supercake2270 you do know that pagan egypt was one of the first superpowers in history that's why.
@@christianpathfinder6864 Pagan compared to which other beliefs? I'm interested to hear which other religions were formed at the time
@@supercake2270 pagan means none monotheistic mesopatamia was stilla round with ba'al and such and persia was there indus valley ancestor worship
Food for thought.💭
Every time you see the name, Berkeley or Ramsey or Shelby or Lamarie we have to remember these are names from Kemet (Presently Egypt & North Sudan including Eritrea and North Ethiopia). Specifically from Hwt-Ka-Ptah (the house of the spirit of Ptah) and this is where the Ka-Pt (Coptic) people of Egypt are born.
Horus was born in Jebel Berkel (Present day Karima in Sudan). He was born in a cave based on the ancient Kemetic mythology. Hence the name “Berkeley” ie referring to coming from Jebel Berkel.
Berkeley is name associated directly with Horus.
The best arguments I've seen for mythicism focus on Osiris being the Egyptian inspiration for Jesus, not Horus. Have you done a response video to any of Richard Carriers works??
Wait people still take richard carrier seriously? I thought we left his arguments behind in 2010’s loool, most religious historians don’t even take him seriously
I'm Muslim and I'm glad that Jesus won . Jesus is love
Jordan Maxwell states....this is cap 😭😭😭
You forgot to mention where you obtained your information. Books, online, professors of Egyptology, etc. I'm curious to know as I'm very interested in the subject. You should refer to your sources in your videos.
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Good stuff
Love your videos. Wasn't the 25th adopted for Christmas to I guess "co-opt" a pagan holiday? Isn't it also most likely that Jesus was born in the spring?
No, December 25th was chosen for early calculation theories, it had nothing to do with pagan festivals.
@@InspiringPhilosophy pretty sure it actually did, that’s why Christmas is so similar to the Roman Saturnalia and the Germanic Yule holidays.
@@InspiringPhilosophy YOU ARE WRONG!!! WHERE'S THE PROOF?
@@Pixelator5 Roman Saturnalia was in a different date (december 17th) and was at times not even celebrated for a single day, but from december 14th to 17th.
Yule is different. Firstly it would be very weird for Christians living in Rome to steal a *germanic* holiday of all things. Secondly, the dates also do not coincide. Yule was not celebrated in December 25th.
The date does come from estimates of when Jesus was born. Julius Africanus for example.
And that's all I needed to know that InspiringPhilosophy is flat out wrong about this, and thus my research continues.
There is also no evidence of a Jesus, or evidence of what Jesus actually done neither
That is false: czcams.com/video/qIdCRanZZyw/video.html
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Great. Thank you
Did you ever recorded video about Virgin Mary and what you think about the catholic praying to her
*"It is I, Horus!"*
Lutheran Satire haha
Eye actually
Stand master = pet shop
"well hello mr preacher man"
Could have sworn you died on the vengeful spirit
Thanks. I get tired of people using the Horus lie. They have itchy ears and listen to those that say what they want to hear.
Yeah. This channel is constantly top level.
hellavadeal what about those versus in the Bible that you may not like. For example Timothy 2:12
1 Timothy or 2 Timothy? What do either have to do with this? And who says i do not like them?
hellavadeal in Timothy 2:12 it says. "I do not permit a woman to teach, or to have authority over a man. She is to remain silent." Do u like sexism?
hellavadeal you say atheists only listen to what we want to hear, but there's a lot in the Bible that christians ignore.
The part that some people always get wrong about Jesus is when he told (all who have read the good news) that you must do what he says (don't just listen) I mean how does that not make sense? If I tell you about the fire in the building and you say, "I can't see it or smell it," and do nothing, you die in the fire. You must do.
If you do what Jesus says to do in your life, then you will have all of the evidence you have been looking for. (Then you won't need confirmation from youtube or even me, because Jesus will give you the confirmation via his holy spirit). Comes with obedience to Jesus's word.
To say, "where is the evidence," yet you will not do what Jesus says, leaves you exactly where you were to begin with.
Where can I find Horus story? Claude Traunecker is not the only source out there.