The Eurovision 2024 controversy is out of control
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- What do you think about Eurovision 2024?
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
01:20 - What is Eurovision?
03:13 - Where the controversy began
04:05 - The song drama
05:45 - Other artists are called to boycott
09:20 - Accidental EU flag ban
09:49 - Controversy during the contest
13:29 - Joost Klein banned before final
16:25 - Other artists are reprimanded
19:36 - The winner is... not the EBU
20:00 - Latest statement
20:24 - Outro - Komedie
If you are a president or prime minister and you are saying the word, “haters,” you are probably in the wrong. Just saying.
Hearing that word in that context made me rewind to make sure I heard that correctly. Completely absurd to use that term in a political field
No fr wth 😭
Love that "opposition to g*cide" = "too political" + "haters". Wild sh-t.
F R E E P A L E S T I N E
when you use the word hater as a argument make me feel like it's just a random yt argument instead of an actrual international problem
Also you probably shouldn’t be a PM.
It's worth mentioning the main sponsor of the eurovision, morrocan oil, is an Israeli company
Yea everything makes sense now, it all boiled down to money yet again
aahhh, that's interesting information right there...
it doesn't really say anything since Dutch broadcasting companies own 40%of ESC stock which they are now trying to use against them. Good luck with that ESC
@@draken3793 where did u get that intel? Like how are they using their shares… I wanna know! Source?
@@draken3793 if you mean the DUBAG group.. it's not Dutch, it's German.
You can't use "we are not political" card after banning Russia for the same actions just a few years ago. Do they think we're stupid or something?
No , these are not the same actions.
On the one hand, following a brutal attack on its citizens, Israel is just defending itself against Hamas, a despicable dictatorship of religious fanatics who want to completely destroy it. On the other hand, Russia was the attacker without cause.
Of cause it is political, but it has been political long before Russia was banned. I have never seen a Eurovision which was not political. I am not even sure I have seen a movie which wasn't or a sporting event which wasn't.
@@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution I agree. Eurovision is and always was about politics. I'm just saying that their excuse is very hypocritical after they clearly showed us they can ban countries for starting wars
@@caecusFox Yeah I agree. And they were wrong too for banning Netherlands I think. If Eurovision is trying not to be political they are failing miserably! Eurovision has always been political and I would not even have to make a effort to run something that is less political than they are doing, and frankly I think that is pathetic.
They are very dishonest in their claim not to be political and that only makes them more political.
You're comparing Israel to Russia so yeah it seems you're stupid
Just to add - the Israeli commentator made threatening comments towards Bambie before their performance in the semi finals. Because the EBU has said they have a ‘zero-tolerance’ policy, Bambie talked to the organisers and called for Israel to be banned from the final. They said they’d investigate this, but didn’t get back to them.
yeah this, and other contestants too, as far as I know, they also tried to insult marina, the one performing for greece. it's so tonedeaf when they've had at least 4 countries complaining about israel's delegation. also, fun fact (as I am a dutchie), a dutch reporter asked eden about the disqualification of joost after the finals (thank god she didn't win, she didn't deserve shit), and she walked away angry. how fake can you be, because of your delegation's behaviour kicked out the dutch contestant and repeatedly harassed other artists, but when people are critical about you, suddenly YOU are the one angry, eden? it's baffling. I legitimately hope ebu is rethinking their decisions coming forward if they want people to still attend their event.
@@michinata5867 I saw the same interview, she wanted to walk past, decided to take the interview, Joost' name dropped and she stomped off, it was so telling. But honestly (and I might be wrong) I think Israel wasn't further looked into is because the contest is heavily sponsored by Moroccan oil, you see that name everywhere, and that's an Israeli company. So maybe they were scared if they also disqualified Isreal their sponsorship would be pulled
@@Puckty oh yeah lol considering I followed this whole thing very closely on x and whatnot it's probably because of maroccan oil. it's their biggest sponsor and they rather please their investors then to have a backbone. the fact the ebu also accused avrotros (the broadcasting company here) of lying about what was said or not said about the disqualification is also disgusting. they tried to use their authority in a way they shouldn't have tried to and even if the eurovision was already controversial for years, this year takes the cake. it's just so sad how last weekend would've possibly finally be somewhat of a eurovision weekend without beef and then the whole thing with joost happened where they were scared of either him or someone else winning. it's sick.
@@Puckty Oh my gosh, I never realised Moroccan Oil is Israeli, that really explains so much
@@Pucktywhoa. This is a good theory
We live in a fucking stupid time where saying "hey, maybe we shouldn't let this country commit genocide" or even vaguely implying that you might not be okay with said genocide is somehow antisemitic.
To be fair any time Israel has ever been even remotely questioned they scream antisemitism. I'm glad finally people aren't giving in.
It’s not genocide 😘
@@Hddjridhanaksldndhyes it is 😘
@@Hddjridhanaksldndh it is, in fact, a genocide
fyi, a month after Francesca Albanese said this, she was proven to be wrong. there is no evidence for genocide.
It was worth mentioning that israeli delegation constantly harrased and posted videos and photos of other participants without their permission with hateful comments on their social media (especially towards bambie thug) and the EBU did nothing about it.
came here to say the same thing!!!! the entire israeli team spent their week harassing and bullying other participants (joost, bambi, marina, nemo, etc). childish and immature behavior from their whole delegation
@@hotmesslex18 your so good at playing the victim eden went throw literal hell on this entire eurovision , some of the participants stright out bullied a 20 yrs old kid who did nothing to them. their behavior was so childish, immature and vary uncalld for.
I don't know, I've heard that a few times but I also heard that Joost was banned because the Israeli delegation made fun of his dead parents and he attacked them, which was total BS (he was banned because he broke the Swedish camerawoman's camera). So I'd like to see some of these social media posts before I believe it...
@harelgm9172 both can be true. It sucks that she was the face of Israel in this context. I would have dropped out at that point though
@harelgm9172 a person who is 20 years old is not a kid. That's an adult. 🙃
Idk I feel like regardless of how you feel about Palestine, the fact that they banned Russia from performing before already shows that Eurovision takes political stands. The performers and countries should be allowed, and not criticized, for wishing for love and peace when that’s one of the core beliefs of Eurovision. But maybe they just don’t care about the countries that don’t compete lol
The worst part is that the main reason Russia was banned was because of pressure on the EBU from broadcasters. Because there was no such pressure with Israel, they don't care., and they wouldn't have with Russia either.
Officially they banned Russia for its attacks on the free press (not the invasion of Ukraine), but Israel has targeted journalists and their families which, if you ask me, is an attack on the free press. The biggest sponsors of the ESC are Israeli hence why they remain in the competition and were fiercely defended by the EBU
Oh no, their claim of not being about politics is, and always has been, complete bs. Eurovision has always been political - that's the point. You see it in the songs and performers, you see it in what countries vote for which other countries (typically neighbours). Their choices shouldn't sadly be a surprise. They are super strict on politics they don't agree with, and much more lenient about the ones they do, as seen this year.
yeah it's pretty difficult to stop art from being political. when i think of eurovision i think of chiquitita first, which would be pretty hard to argue is apolitical.
Just wondering. What makes you think Palestine wants peace?
I didn’t watch Eurovision this year, because I thought it was so hypocritical of them to not let Russia compete due to the invasion of and war crimes in Ukraine, but when people want them to do the same with Israel’s due to their disgusting actions it’s “not about politics” all of a sudden.
It’s so gross. It really is.
het draait allemaal om geld, Israël zorgt voor een grote sponsor en daarom wil de EBU niet zien wat ze de andere deelnemers aandoen die ook elk een half miljoen betalen om mee te doen.
You have it backwards!
These are two polar opposite avenues.
On the one hand, following a brutal attack on its citizens, Israel is just defending itself against Hamas, a despicable dictatorship of religious fanatics who want to completely destroy it. On the other hand, Russia was the attacker without cause.
@@israteeg752 israel is actively killing innocent children. Children who are not old enough yet to write or read even. Israel is definetily attacking and is not just protecting themselves, cuz otherwise literal babies wouldnt be killed.
It is gross.
Just in case, ruzzia started the invasion in 2014 and took a part of Ukraine. And that was ignored.
EBU were creating special unique rules to let ruzzia perform.
Before that, ruzzia also invaded Georgia.
So it took over 10 years for the EBU to get rid of ruzzia. Maybe in 10 years they’ll get rid of Israel too🤡
Eurovision is one of the most political, non political event in Europe.
haha except it is not non political hehe it has never been. But I agree with your point 😊
A few countries didn't even broadcast the Israel performance, I saw one cut the screen and put a call for ceasefire on the screen instead
I think that was Belgium
@NoNo-ly5kf no it was not belgium. We send it out in full like is required (at leat the dutch speaking part) . We where not happy with how they handled the dutch disqualification. No mention in the show not even 2 sentences.
@NoNo-ly5kf yeah it was Belgium, just found the clip agaib
@@NoNo-ly5kf
W Belgium
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I like how an entity can make a public comment basically saying, “we are apolitical, therefore, no comment on genocide. And if you mention that it exists you’re banned”
There’s no comment bc there’s no genocide
@@Hddjridhanaksldndh damn, all that energy spent adding replies to every comment that is pro Palestine/anti-genocide. Must be exhausting for you. Maybe you should sit down and enjoy some refreshing watermelon for all of your troubles 🍉
@@Hddjridhanaksldndhcommon israel enabler L
literally... the balls to say they are being apolitical
@@Hddjridhanaksldndh I wouldn’t want to keep living if I was as dense as you
as a dutch person, im highly convinced the netherlands will drop out next year. the disqualification of Joost felt like an insult to the whole country and I feel like joining again next year like nothing happened would be even more insulting. we dont like the EBU anymore
Nobody would blame you guys if you dipped out! We are all heartbroken for Joost 💙
As a dutch person myself too, I honestly wouldn't mind nor be surprised if we dropped out next year. Not to mention all of the artists being harrassed just like Joost (Although Joost got disqualified, which was for a ridiculous reason aside from that). Sweden really fucked up this year. #JusticeForJoost
It's really disappointing watching Eurovision sink low like this. I liked years prior but this one... I wasn't even slightly inclined to watch anymore. Both the Israeli drama around it and Joost being disqualified for bullshit just wasn't any fun to watch anymore.
The fact that the ICC and ICJ are both in the Netherlands and Israel is on trial there makes me think that Israel intentionally got Netherlands disqualified as ‘revenge’
not only that, but im fairly sure no artist would want to step foot in that dumpster fire ever again! I am dutch myself too and I wouldnt be surprised if no artist wants to join in ever again.
After this happened to Klein, it can be normalized and used in the future competitions against any country and performer. I think all countrys should refuse to take part under such rules.
It's important to know that Kaarija was friends with Joost, so the disqualification was the main reason for his decision to withdraw.
I suspected as much
Justice for Joost!!!!!!!
Joostice ✌️
And aloud the EU flag! Why not?
@@Mary1337CZcams’s translation into English is just hilarious 😂😂😂 But I love the phrase u created.
@@grashamrocksalt2255 HAahha how is that the outcome xD
@@Mary1337Run!
Ya because everyone KNOWS art is APOLITICAL oh my god
And at some point, staying apolitical is incredibly political in itself. Choosing to do nothing is still a choice.
To be fair, the guy wearing the equality shirt has been wearing that exact same shirt to give out the points for years now. It has been become a running joke between my parents and i to say that he just doesnt own any other ones
Why would endorcing equality be a joke?
@@missk1942 I wasn't calling equality a joke, the joke is him having only one shirt
Exactly! I figured it would become part of some drama at one point, but he truly always wears that 😂
He first appeared in 2019 I think and he was such an icon the Austrians kept bringing him (and his equality t) back
why i this so hilarious.
MorrocanOil is an Israeli company and the EBU's/ESC's biggest solo financial supporter. They will never ban Israel... Even when there were handfuls of complaints about the Israeli team bullying other participants ...
not until maroccan oil is no longer sponsering anymore. I bet the EBU will take a stance really quick on it then, which would be even worse imo
You are writing as if Moroccan Oil is some conglomerate the size of Henkel-Sud rather than a mid-size cosmetics firm that the EBU can easily replace. Look up the Eurovision's board, Moroccan Oil is not the sole sponsor there.
@@israteeg752 not the sole sponsor but the biggest singular one XD most are just the countries paying
@@uribove From a marketing standpoint, the issue is not Moroccan oil, which as a small-time operator can readily be replaced, but rather the fact that the Israeli public in general is more interested in the Eurovision competition than other countries; therefore, the EBU is hesitant to lose this market share.
Joost did not deserve to get Disqualified.
He didn't do anything wrong the whole time except for being straight forwardly dutch (since dutch are known for not beating around the bush) That "camera woman" was a lady with a phone. the EBU had a rulle stating " no filming the contestants right after their show as they leave the stage" which she still did. she had been harassing joost for days at that point and still didn't leave him alone. at that point as she was reccording where she wasn't allowed to he repeatedly told her to stop. he had made a agreement before even going on stage that he did not want to be reccorded after his turn. this lady completely neglected his wishes and his privacy and the EBU rules (which the EBU now denies btw) so after a few times joost did a "threatening" move towards her camera, not touching her whatsoever (since the end of his show is very sad and personal to him it makes him very emotional already) she then went to sue him for his actions. the EBU disqualified him without question and is now saying anything to make the camera woman sound like she was in the right. (again, she broke the official EBU rule which the EBU changed after the incident just for her and she repeatedlly harassed joost before this incident)
The Swedish pollice officially stated he did no harm, but now suddenly the EBU and Police are claiming her camera broke, and thus they can not release the footage (confinient 😐)
and even now they haven't made any actually good points as to why they choose to disqualify him, not a single piece of proof has been released and they expect the viewers to " just believe them on their words, or otherwise you're just another hater"
Justice For Joost!
sorry if anything is confusing, a lot has happened in those days, but this is what the dutch news informed us and what the EBU has said and shown in their actions. going as far as to reason " the camera woman was just doing her job" which is apparently harassing the artists to the point of out bursts and not respecting them in any way at all. cause to the EBU these artists are just animals in zoo's . an attraction to look at
the TLDR : Woman kept harassing Joost for days. She broke EBU Rule and agreement made with Joost. He reacted upset cause she refused to respect his boundaries. she sued him because of her own actions. and he became the victim of the situation. EBU did not think he was allowed to stand up for himself and changed rules and supported the woman all the way through it, even tilll now as it's still on going
You are right!
Some swedes are the same, by being incredibly straight forward that is. At least people from Gothenburg since the city basically have a dutch-british background.
A year or two ago, when everyone was just as political about the war in Ukrain, no one got banned or punished for their political songs or views. Now people are getting punished? Either the judges had enough of politics or there is some bias going on.
TBH, one of Kalush Orchestra (Ukraine representatives for 2022) members got admonished for mentioning Mariupol during the grand final.
@Nadia1989 oh wow! I missed that. Thanks for pointing it out.
Also they won In 2022 which admittedly could be because they were just that good but the timing was a little suspicious for me.
Like sure they win a major competition a month after getting invaded and we're supposed to believe that that wasn't politically motivated at all But I suppose the only way we'll know for sure is to somehow travel to an alternate universe where the invasion isn't happening and see if they still win and that's not possible.
@@pinkdiamond1847You don‘t have to travel to a different timeline. You can just look at the betting quotas (or whatever they are called in english) and see that they were predicted to win long before the invasion happened.
@@pinkdiamond1847 while Stephania still is a good song and actually deserved to win if you ask me, there is no denying that there were probably a ton of "sympathy" votes from people seeing it as their way to stand with Ukraine
Martin Österdahl should resign. This song contest was a mess and the EBU is not taking any responsibility for it but instead gaslighting the artists, the delegations, the audience.
I love that our Joost is going international now. He is the true winner
this is the tiniest thing but Austria's spokesman always wears the Equality shirt, but their words were definitely pointed this year
as a dutchie, I was so dissapointed to be disqualified
Maar echt....
......
fr he had the best song, the message was great and the beat was even greater
Also alot of artists made a nod in support of Joost during or at the end of the performace, like the estonian group that thanked the audience in dutch
The estonians were absolute kings this year in every way
@@theorycow oh absolutely! They're song was my favorite 👏🏻
Can't comprehend Olly Alexander's decision. Refuses to quit the competition (presumably thinking it'll be good for his career??), loses the respect of lots of his fans, and then gets 0 points in the public vote
He just wasn't good. UK often gets 0 points.
I shall now quote the Eurovision movie: "She’s wery good, but everybody hates UK, so, Zero Points!"
@@genevarockeman9721 Well, if they'd send better acts, they would get more. We got zero points as well twice.
@@deleila_charlie2068 yea, when thay had a decent act they got second, and germany acculy got points this year. its not just hate
He's British though.
That's just British behaviour right there he deserved every one of those 0 points
It makes me really proud to know that there were so many people that still found ways to show their support for the Palestinian people who are still currently suffering under an open air prison. As the days go on, more protests happen and more people are speaking up. I want to see the day when the people of Palestine can be truly free.
I agree fully. Can you support the minorities of Ukraine and the people of Donbass as well? Or is it just Arabs?
@@bobozeehax
Yes??
Why are you talking like that's impossible?
@@pinkdiamond1847 Oh no, it's just that when people often mention the victims of the Zionist regime, they always seem to conveniently forget the victims of the Ukrainian regime, because Rashha evil. But I'm glad you don't. Kudos to you :)
It certainly got them more visibility, and probably more televotes. Well done, I guess.
It makes me really proud to inform you that Israel might have lost votes with the juries but came in 2nd in the popular vote, which is the true indicator as to where most people stand on the subject.
The audience sounds are not from the main show. They sell tickets to the test shows and use the audio from them. I attended a test show back in 2014 and they told us this during the show.
Also wanted to add that eurovision is the most political show there is, back in 2019 the icelandic band Hatari snuck in a Palestinian flag and waved it when the cameras were on then in the "green room" resulting in a 5000 euro fine.
Also let's not forget that one of the biggest sponsors for eurovision is moroccanoil which is a Israeli company 👀
Right after that Hatari went to palatine and collabed with a Palestinian artist named Bashar Murad on a song called "Klefi".
Bashar was supposed to compete for iceland this year with a dong called "Wild West" (or "Vestrið villt" in icelandic) but due to corruption and meddling with the votes (an "input error" had votes meant for him go to Hera) he was prevented from competing.
People keep thinking hatari were doing an edgy stunt, no. They are deadly serious about this shit.
You're spot on. They absolutely did cover the booing and singing of "europapa" with canned cheers during the final when Isreal performed. All of the fancams going round show the true reaction and it wasn't good.
The best part of Hatari's flag move was that they did it in Israel (host of 2019). I still have no idea how they managed to pull it off but I bet it took some serious effort and planning.
Thank you so much for covering this. I'm a huge Eurovision fan but I just can't support them anymore after this. The way they branded calls for peace as 'unacceptably political' is absolutely disgusting.
The channel overthinking it is a great supplement for eurovision. They have some pretty good breakdown of certain songs like the one for joost klein. It adds context to the song and gives detail in the artists previous struggles with mental health and trauma. This gives context to an emotional ending to their song dedicating it to a dead parent. This means joost has previously requested to not be interviewed right after performances. There is also discussion that joost may have shared before they are on the spectrum. So the interviewer bothering joost is seeming pretty sus.
Also, apparently the Isreal contestant recently participated in a 'comedy' show skit mocking certain contestants that is pretty obvious on Israel's real thoughts on the controversy. It is not a good look.
So they bullied a mentally I'll autistic man into "making a threatening gesture" and then kicked him out and sued him for it?...
Just when I thought they couldn't get any lower.
"Joost" rhymes with "toast" btw
Toast Klein hehe
'Jost Klein' May be?
''Juiced Klein'' makes me want to make a meme where Joost is one half of a juiced orange
Wait…it’s not pronounced
Jooooooh st?
Eurovision claiming "we're apolitical/the contest isn't about politics" is such bs - eurovision has ALWAYS been about politics, but only ones to be accepted are the ones they agree with it. Verilybitchie did an essay video on this topic last year specifically about queer-related issues titled "The [Queer] Politics Of Eurovision" if anyone is interested, and I believe it does mention some general political history as well. They also made a video months ago about what viewers like us can do about Eurovision, like signing petitions etc.
Great video. As always free Palestine. It's amazing how quickly the word "racist" is replaced with "political" when it comes to justifying your crimes against minorities
Israel shouldn't have been allowed to join the competition.
How do these people go on and on about Eurovision is meant to he apolitical, without ever realising that they're actively making a political statement?
There really is no such thing as being apolitical unless you live as hermit, choosing to be seen as "apolitical" at all costs is just you supporting the status quo
I'm 'apolitical' because I vehemently hate politics. I hate how it makes people hate and kill each other. I choose to keep myself out of it for my own mental health. Believe me, I don't want to keep the status quo but it all feels so so hopeless, change is close to impossible to happen. Not even close to within my lifetime or even my kids' lifetime will change happen.
I've accepted nihilism as it seems to be my only answer to all this madness. I've just given up. It's not worth my mental health to worry about things completely out of my control. Guilt trip me all you want about staying apolitical being a political choice and my lack of participation in the system being a vote for what I am against. I just don't care anymore.
This is so hypocritical of the EBU. The fact that Israel was even allowed to represent themselves while they are attacking Palestine IS political. Everything about it is political!
YESSS FINALLY COMMENTARY CHANNELS TOUCHING UP ON EUROVISION
Art is and always has been inherently political
That booing of Osterdahl gave me all the cringe and 2nd hand embarrassment of the Scott's Totts office episode. He deserved it but LORD was it uncomfortable.
Eurovision isn't Apolitical. Hatari protested the Israeli occupation of Palestine in Eurovision 2019!
hartari smuggled in the palestinian flags in 2019 because it was hosted in tel aviv tho the ebu didn’t allow the Palestinian flag
JUSTICE FOR JOOST.
This year didn't feel as exciting as usual, even without Joost' disqualification. The way the contestants have commented on the unsafe environment and even a former Dutch performer said she also felt unsafe in a previous year....
All awful news aside, the way u pronounce 'Joost Klein ' is frankly hilarious
djoest🤭🤭
juiced
Käärijä & Malmö as well
Juice Klein 😂😂
The artist are most likely under contract and most likely wouldn’t be able to just pull out without a good reason. Plus uk is one of the big 5 that pay for Eurovision so would be a bad move for his career…
Artists did try to send messages about Palestine but everytime they was stopped and silenced
I guess it's makes sense
Broadcaster need to broadcast but contestants can pull our it may have consequences though and perhaps they were threatened by it and still,performed. On every level this was the WORST eurovision ever. I just saw a Swede posting that it was all US we wanted to go there and participate.. uhm we didn’t ask it to be held there, but Sweden won. The Netherlands hosted the Eurovision, in 2021, and there were no complaints. Contestants had their own real private space. Here it was just curtains, separating. Except for the dressing room. I’m fairly sure had this incident happened with another contestant, they would have decided to let that person perform. Oh top this censorship is crazy. Portugal they didn’t use the half finals footage, in fact it looks very weird, because of her nails.. half of the participating counties filed complaints of harassment and being unsafe. And it’s crickets
@@helenaterschegget8791 yeah this Eurovision was horrible. Isreal should have been pulled out straight away but they must be pulling strings somewhere behind the curtain… US people commenting on situation that they haven’t educated themselves on is very annoying because in the end they just spread misinformation.
Eurovision artists do not sign a contract. They only need to adhere to EBU rules and regulations. I'd argue that given the level of heightened tensions and threats of possible violence, every performer had more than a valid reason to pull out of the contest last week.
I also don't put much stock in all the 'messages' some artists wanted to display during the performances. While it may appear the intention was to show solidarity with Palestine, it also could've served as a clever strategy to draw attention and gain extra televotes. It's still a competition, after all.
@@trao1938 it’s still against the rules.. to make any political statement, incl flags, just as isreal commenter tried to influence its voters, and or how the contestants feel unsafe Can’t measure unequal, right ?
I really applaud you for helping to spread the word about Creators for Palestine despite not being on the list of creators, thank you so much for helping to make a difference
Eurovision can't claim to be apolitical, not 2 years ago they banned Russia for its invasion of Ukraine. I don't disagree with the decision taken then (excluding the Russian entry), which is why I disagree with the decision now (not excluding the Israeli entry). They're political when it suites them and apolitical whenever it doesn't. For a policy to be valid, it must be applied universally, without bias or favour.
I remember this time last year, where the biggest drama in Eurovision was Loreen winning over Käärijä. I never expected this year to become a literal dumpster fire
For me the biggest drama was bejba representing Poland 😂 which involved rigging, that feels like nothing now compared to this year and 2022 my biggest drama was the broken sun 😅
@@erinnadia0409 I have Gladiator on my Eurovision playlist instead of bejba😂😂
@@annemarienordby4326 omg me too! I added it to the 2023 playlist and just pretend Jann went instead 😂 such a lost opportunity to not have him there for Poland
@@erinnadia0409bejba … took me a moment 😂😂
@@erinnadia0409 bejbah
its kinda krejsah
Love the slow but sure developing trend of irish performers stabding up for whats right publically even when it could tank their career
I am so glad Bambie didn’t hold back. They said what they had to say and they are in the right doing so.
As for Kaarjia's withdrawal, another reason could probably be Joost's disqualification, since the two actually seem to be good friends, even planning to make a song together, so it could not be only for Palestine, Though no mater the reason i think he made the right choice
Netherland's dq was the main reason for Kaarija. He was heartbroken for Joost.
@@annalyon2729 Definitely
Did not ever think this would somehow actually hit the american commentary youtubers, but I like how I can just keep on consuming Eurovision content despite it being over🕺🕺🕺🕺🕺
“We are apolitical” uh didn’t you guys basically dedicate the whole 2022 performance to Ukraine? “okay we’re apolitical when it comes to POC”
So fucking amazing that you’re outwardly supporting Palestine. Thank you. Free Palestine!
FYI: The main sponsor of Eurovision MoroccanOil isn't actually a Maroccan company but a Israëli one. Let that sink in with all the decisions made.
So much went completely wrong this year...
I adore how the Swedish wanted so much to celebrate the 50 years since Waterloo, only to have a huge clusterfuck in their hands and no ABBA.
Disgraceful.
@@nikolaos9652awww man, it would’ve been cool to hear “Lay all your love on me” during Eurovision
This year was a mess. It wouldn’t have been so awful had they just banned Israel outright in Oct. Also then asking contestants not to carry anything political onstage except…their own countries flag like uhhh. But incredibly proud of Bambie n Nemo in the end. Joist deserved so much better.
Thank you Austin, for being outspoken about your support of Palestine.
the best thing about eurovision was definitely nemo breaking their trophy and then losing it 😭😭
What du you mean loosing it? They got a replacement for the broken one as seen in the interview after the show and then they lost this one as well?
@@grashamrocksalt2255 i saw a video from hits radio uk and nemo says theyre looking for the trophy because they dont know where it is and it wasnt in their suitcase 😭
Frrr
I loved Eurovision and its geopolitical drama between juries and countries. Until this year and the actions of the EBU. I "boycotted" and didn't vote/pay for votes.
Me too. After the Disqualification of Joost I did not vote for anyone. Switzerland was perfect but artists should not be send there at all any more. Esc does not seem to be a save place for them. They are not treated well there :-( So better stop Esc at all and boycot it by not voting.
I have used a died keffiyeh as a winter scarf for a decade now because it's an amazing cloth that doesn't feel like I'm being waterboarded when it gets wet, the fact that it is now a political thing is really sad.
For real. Those scarves have been the staple of certain subcultures for decades. Imagine banning them for wearing their favourite clothes for being "political".
Barf. The larping is making me sick fr.
@timestima larping? I'm a bit confused. Can you explain?
@missfeisty It means they have no clue what the whole conflict is about. It's a game for them and they indulge in it because it's a thing in their social circles.
@timestima I didn't really read it that way, but thank you for explaining how you interpreted the comment. Technically, the design of a traditional keffiyeh is a political statement, but I don't believe the material itself is. I have a couple that I wear because the material is amazing no matter what the season is. I hope what I am trying to say makes sense.
Thank you for this. I've been very interested in what happened. But as a non-European it was hard to figure out. I think they all had a right to call out Israel.
Juiced Klein lmao
Didn’t The Finnish presentator didn’t want to present AFTER Joost Klein was disqualified and AFTER there was a sit in protest at their broadcasting station, not before all of that? There was also an emergency meeting at the EBU after the disqualification of Joost Klein but was there any statement after that on what that was about?
You forgot to mention how Croatia should've totally won the contest. Look at the welcoming party for the dude in Switzerland and then look at the welcoming party for Croatia.. it will tell you who should've won.
Do you even know where we can find it? Marko is easy, but Nemo seems inexistent.
I mean...if you think how points would look like if Joost wasn't dq, it seems fair to me. Nemo's act was good.
@@artmaks9363 most of the songs were political, Joost's song was something regarding borders and Europe? Nemo's song was about being gay and non-binary.. while Croatia had like the only song that wasn't politically motivated. It was a song about being young and leaving home for the first time and getting anxiety attacks but telling your family not to cry but to just dance and be happy. It was a song that inspired MANY people from all over the world to write to him and thank him cause the song speaks exactly to what they are going through and how they feel. He had the best song.
Just throwing it out there that Eurovision's major sponsor is Moroccan Oil, which despite the name, is an Israeli company. That's not suspicious or anything, but it DOES seem that one country has certain sway over the EBU that other countries do not...
eurovison drama could have been solved so easily if they were decent people from the start
I'm going to be honest here... normally I love your videos but this one felt off. I understand eurovision is a pretty niche subject outside of europe, but I feel like this video didn't really delve deep and was missing out on a lot of nuance and details that are captured by many other european youtubers who have made videos on this topic. I understand you can't read everything there is to know on this topic, especially because it is in so many different languages, but personally I think it would've been better not to make this video. It feels a bit lazy not to do quick searches on how to pronounce people's names (Kaarija, Joost), and the lack of further explanation on certain topics makes it seem like you didn't truly understand how the contest works and why certain things are relevant or not relevant. It felt like me doing a presentation on the US civil war using wikipedia as a source, if that makes sense.
Eurovision should support peace ! it's about bringing people together in a spirit of unity and showing the world that wherever we are from and whatever our languages or culture we can be united in music. Now they are shutting down those who support peace and unity. It's such a shame!
wow. because not taking a stance on genocide is definitely an apolitical move 🤮
Eurovision has always been political regardless of what the official stance is
I live in Iceland and all of this reeeeally had the rascists coming out of their burrows.
So from the get-go as you said Icelandic artists called for a full out boycott of the competition. The national broadcaster here that hosts the competition first said no, we won't boycott, then changed their tune to "the winner will decide", which is bafflingly stupid to put the artist in that position but ok.
In the pre selection competition we had an artist from Palestine compete, and honestly it was unplanned as some sort of a statement BECAUSE of whats happening in Gaza because all songs had to enter the pre-thing before September last year, but the opportunity to be able to actually send someone to compete with a message would have been massive.
The thing that split this was that so many people were boycotting the competition no matter what or who and some (not all) very very very racist folks were actively voting other contestants.
Surprise surprise, the winner chose to go and compete and she stated she wanted to "take the dialogue". We had the lowest rated/voted for song in the qualifiers with 3 points (?!😂) and I have some idea this lady will not be getting a lot of work for the next couple of months (neither as a singer or a realtor which is her day-to-day) because she handled this all soooo poorly.
Feel free to ask if you are curious about the drama that shook our little island more than the earthquakes going on 😅
Here as another icelander about to post about this exact ordeal and the very clear meddling that went on behind the scenes to guarantee bashar couldnt win the national selection. The boycotting was definitely not the reason Hera won, the voting count had an "input error" that sent sms votes meant for bashar to Hera, there were also connection issues with his number specifically. Hera and her delegates were industry plants from the beginning, this pretty clear in how they described this plot coming together last second. we had many other well liked acts with no fraction of the vote. Hera was the only one propped up by pro Israeli groups before this all happened and how it played out.
I know this always risks sounding conspiratorial from the outside but rúv and the icelandic industry is very small and transparent, especially when they scramble... I've had some family working both behind the scenes at RÚV and in the Eurovision scene so the backroom politics this year was absolutely ridiculous to watch. if anyone is interested, like i said this isn't conspiracy it's just one call saying "hey lets send Hera she knows singing contests, no more problems"
I remember I saw Bashar’s act before Eurovision was wondering why it didn’t win. This actually makes quite a bit of sense. Even though I’m not actually from Iceland (I’m Dutch), me and my family like to watch all the acts beforehand, and because Bashar was so much higher in the odds for the national final than anyone else I just watched it beforehand to get an idea of what you’d send. Imagine my surprise when the actual act is revealed and suddenly Hera shows up.
Still, good to know we weren’t the only country with massive Eurovision drama. This year was just terribly handled.
she's gonna be fine, don't worry
thought that wild west was quite a lot better than scared of heights tho
Yeah I was following this drama. Some additional context for other people, the superfinal was between Bashar and Hera, with Bashar going in with a healthy lead of around 16,000 ish if I remember correctly. Then the sms voting glitches so most of the votes counted were only phone-in votes which you can imagine skews an older demographic and Hera won by like a 1,000. The broadcaster tried to say that the SMS votes wouldn't have changed the results, and if they were to recount, it would skew against Hara, so they didn't bother recounting either, which imo is kind of BS. Anyways, Iceland ended up sending a song that was the weakest song in recent years, a definite DOA, but I will say Hera is still a good performer and for what she was working with she did what she had to do, so no hate against her. But I was sorely disappointed that Bashar & Wild West was not sent. Really enjoyed the icelandic version he sang.
@@HZ-fg9sf I'll have to disagree on the "she did what she had to" because I honestly think she would have gotten a lot more respect by not going out to compete or at least stayed away from the Israeli contestant, which she didn't and she looked like a clown 🤡
Russia has been rightly banned but that begs the question why Israel wasn't. Russia launched a war against a sovereign country; Israel is carrying out an antiterrorist operation, within its own (disputed) borders.
Plenty feel that Israel has attacked civilian areas for too long & with too heavy a hand - hence the calls for ceasefires. The terrible injuries & deaths of innocent Palestinians are not acceptable.
Bro finally someone with a brain in these comments
I am commenting something about the video to help it get out! Wow Eurovision really was crazy this year!
great video as usual, but i wish some research had been done on pronunciation for this video. joost is pronounced like “yoast” like toast. käärija is pronounced more like carry-yuh. i also wish you had gone into the alleged reasons why joost was banned. joostice for joost and free palestine 🇳🇱🇵🇸
same abt the pronunciations, obvi no one can perfectly pronounce every name, especially if it’s from a different culture/language than yours, but you have to at least try lol, give it a quick google!
edit: typo
It takes literally 30 seconds to paste something into Google translate lmao
Many CZcamsrs don't do this, which causes me to avoid any videos featuring my country like a plague - I just can't stand that they aren't even attempting to not butcher the names of people/cities etc
Agreed, the pronunciation hurt my ears 😅
The song was originally called October rain
The hypocracy of the EBU calling Eurovision an apolitical event when they are ones who made everything about it political, makes me wish we were still back in 2021 where it still felt like a big friendly party where everyone just showed off how talaneted their countries are
since WHEN is art not used as a political expression????
Eurovision is one of my special interests and like. I cannot explain how deeply this goes. Like. It was a wild year and so many artists attempted to drop out.
The reason so many ended up performing in the finals was because they were told that if they chose to drop out, their semi-final performances would be played instead.
The EBU had to cut the audience audio during Israel’s sections and replace it with cheering.
Israel’s broadcaster harassed Bambi Thug and then two days later she’s asked if she poses a security risk and she’s like, “nooo, absolutely not.”
Nemo (this years winner) had to smuggle in their Nonbinary flag. Nikki tutorials was the Dutch jury representative. Netherlands is looking into suing the EBU.
During the final, they made a whole song thirsting after Martin, the head EBU guy, as people were calling for his resignation.
During Israel’s rehearsals the crowd sang Europapa.
Slimane was heavily fined along with so many of the other artists for their mini protests.
The Equality shirt dude wears that every year and makes political comments every year, he’s super sick.
Portugal’s performance was censored because her nails were too pro Palestine.
Israel cheated by creating ads in several languages and broadcasting them throughout Europe.
Abba got their start at Eurovision 50 years prior and refused to show up so they tried to realistically animate them and it’s horrifying.
As the dust settles and the fines have all been given out and there’s no risk of getting more, people are now coming out and telling their stories and everything that happened and each week it’s getting clearer and clearer that the EBU is so corrupt.
That is a long list... EBU truly dropped the ball with everything this year. Did Israel even have to switch broadcasters after the Bambie Thug situation? It was during the semifinals, so shouldn't the rule breaking broadcaster have been replaced with a new person for the actual finals?
I’m sorry…they censored Portugal bc of the singers NAILS!?
How tf were NAILS considered “Pro Palestine” even if that was the intention, it’s still not right to ban someone over NAILS. Plus if ESC is political itself, it’s pretty hypocritical to call someone out on their beliefs…
#JusticeforPortugal
EBU refusing to boycott Israel because Israeli company is sponsoring the event; yet they want the contestants to be apolitical - while also letting the Israeli participant singing a political song (revising the lyrics doesn't change the theme of the song and the motive the song was written). Letting the Israeli delegation a second chance but straight up banning the Netherlands delegation is a double standard thing to do. It was a messy competition; the songs, performances, and staging are great (excluding Israeli's), the participants seem to like each other and kind of hate the same person, but it is clear from the start that EBU is just a sheep of the MoroccanOil.
A couple of points you didn't mention:
1. Regarding the leaked Italy results, while Israel got 39% of the vote, no other country got above 7%, so it looked highly suspicious.
2. There was a united effort by far right personalities to vote for Israel to stick it to the "woke", these are people who don't watch Eurovision and were happy to say they hadn't even listened to the song. You can see multiple tweets from people saying they voted multiple times using different credit cards from different countries.
justice for joost & finland dodged a bullet last year for not having to host this shitshow
As a Dutchie I am glad you covered this! Also Joost could be easiest pronounced as "yo-st" I would say☺️
I think that the scandal is even bigger, but I'm not sure if it will bring out any consequences. The police were called on Joost Klein, so hopefully there will be an official explanation at some point,--specially because Klein will want to clear his name.
JUSTICE FOR JOOST
Dutch person here, I'm mad af, we want justice
In my eyes, art needs to be free from speech restrictions. It’s an expression, and it is often political, especially when it’s in the form of music. It’s incredibly inhumane to deny that to songwriters for the sake of “not taking sides”.
To say an event of countries competing against each other is “apolitical” is just silly. Country vs. country affairs are inherently political.
Käärijä, Finland's representative, backed out from announcing the votes not over the Israeli stuff, but because he is friends with Joost and bowed out over that particular controversy.
Hell yeah Austin, best way to make a video about all of this 💜💜🍉
im dutch and for once i was really rooting for us to win, not just because im dutch but because the song is a bop and the message behind it is good and meaningful, and the song was very popular so we had a chance to win too, so him getting banned for something seemingly minor is such a disappointment. you cant reverse the ban either, so even if hes proven not guilty, he lost his chance to win, and not just him but the whole of the netherlands and other people who were rooting for him to win
Just to add: The dress rehersals are not boradcast anyways but I'm glad Slimane made the statement he did.
Thanks for this amazing video! Love that the comments also add on more context on gheir specific countries' happenings
Free Palestine ❤ Free Sudan ❤ Free Congo ❤
Yes and Ukraine
@@FeeESC then return to neutrality, beeing a puppet to the NATO is no freedom.
@@FeeESC also Darfur
this is a great write up but omg, as a Joost fan I am dying at the way you pronounce his name... juiced...
I pronounced it like that 😭
I’m from USA
Great video, but I miss the part about 13 countries submitting a complaint to the EBU, most of them because of an unsafe atmosphere behind the scenes and several countries considering dropping out next year because of that.
the thing is that Russia only got banned from eurovision is that all the eastern European and ex soviet countries threatened to not participate and therefore because of the pressure the EBU banned Russia. They never would have banned Russia because they wanted to stay "apolitical" which I find the most decision besides allowing Israel in this year's edition. If the EBU wants Eurovision to be apolitical then they should get rid of the parties making it a country political thing while not getting rid of the moral political things.
The booing and protests backfired.... most Europeans aren't really pro-Hamas. Simply listening and a scattering of applause afterward would have been far more effective.
Golan also misgendered the nonbinary winner in a brief interview after the show, though this could have been simple ignorance however I doubt that
Tbf so did the UK commentator before Bambie's final performance
Misgendering is still correctly sexing someone. He's a male human being.
Il seriously who the fuck cares about that that’s not anywhere near the level of children DYING
The act of them staying in the competition and publicly protesting and making themselves heard behind the scenes is powerful in itself. Ireland painting the word ceasefire on their stage makeup and having a watermelon plush sitting with them during results, Portugal painting their nails to look like keffiyeh, Italy wearing a black dress and holding her country's flag next to her in what seemed like a representation of Palestine's flag. I believe pulling out of the contest would have also incurred a fine, and it likely still would have kept Israel in the contest and pushed more votes to her. I think the contestants who made statements were doing good, even if there was pushback about their involvement in the contest at all.
omg thank you for covering this i was so confused
this is the worst eurovision year i have watched. i feel bsd for the artists who had tk go through this. ebu should be held accountable for this mess.
Fuming that people keep calling it 'polical', it's not its humanitarian
Commenting for engagement. Also, Nemo and Bambi thug are amazing.