India's ancient caste system misinterpreted by modern historians?
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- On News Point, we discuss the debate sparked over the newly appointed ICHR Chairman Y Sudershan Rao's blog stating that the caste system worked well in ancient India. Historians discuss the matter of caste system that existed in India and whether the present day idea that it was an exploitative social system is a misinterpretation. (Audio in Hindi)
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It is very lucky and fortunate that we got a chance of being taught by VM jha sir in our 1st year of college. He is really man of wisdom and humbleness. ♥️
Remote Ancient....
Brahmin, kshatriya and vaishya - Flexible
Shudra - Not flexible
Source - BR Ambedkar (Volumes)
28:41 Mr. Jha
Why part2 is not uploaded by NDTV? I am not finding it in CZcams.
vjfive0038 minutes agoevery one knows ravan had ten heads and Sikh religion had ten gurus.gurus of Sikh religion were reincarnation of ravan.they themselves were full of hate ,ignorance,voilence and this is what they preached.sikh gurus children rejected their fathers as guru as they new the truth.sikh gurus consider ravan god and call him akal purkh to conceal ravan identity.when ravan exhausted his powere that time ask gobind singh to put all hate ignorance in one book and told gobnd singh to declare this book living guru as ravan philosophy will be on earth iin shape of granth shiab.true GOD powers can never finish and he can continue to send his gurus but not ravan.you know the truth stop following gurus and the book
The author said , It is not his area of research. How on earth such a high dignitary CHAIRMAN ICHR can write on such a sensitive topic especially when it is factually misleading and incorrect. Shameful ...........S R LADHAR IAS rtd
Ab ye admi koi paper nahi likhega Aisa ravish ki dhulai ke baad
Sahi bat Ravi's jee
जाति व्यवस्था का मूल्यांकन सर्वाधिक अच्छा dr ambedkar ने किया है
bhut bura haal h india ka due to this cast system .society pressure
This discussion wrt an old blog is unnecessary. The question should be what is his line of thinking now. All these people in media and otherwise occupying positions who talk about caste system, will they allow their kith and kin in marriage to others who are of different economic or position or caste. Of course the present caste system is wrong. Now if you try to juxtapose the varna system with the present practice then for example all the clerks, others who do work in offices and factories from any caste as workers meaning shudras. Those who do business of any kind are vaishyas. This includes a doctor who is treating a patient and taking fees for th treatment. All the media, scholl and college teachers, lecturers, professors, advocates and judges are brahmins. All law and order keeping personnel, the playesr who play different games like cricket, police force, army, politicians, ministers etc. are kshatriyas. But to maintain this we sould abolish this so called caste system saying that one caste cannot marry other caste and if they do the families will not have any relationship with them. So we should encourage intercaste marriages and root out th epresent caste system. then it will follow th eactual jati and varna system which is basically the casteless system.
John rawls का rule apply करके caste system का मूल्यांकन करना चाहिए
Where second part
Rai ji ko bolo Ambedkar volume uta kar pade....ar Veda ka Sanskrit se English translation Tilk nai kiya jo Dr Ambedkar Gandhi ji ko Reply karte hai Letter mai...
How come same kautilya made shudra maurya as king. There is no scope of discrimination of anyone. There is no denial that caste system is misused by those who think is superior to other humans.
Nanda or Maurya dynasty shudro ki thi pr unki history PADI h woh dynasty ki shruat kaise hui
All Puranas have mentioned Mauryas as Suryavanshi Kshatriya
Arhan Deshmukh and gautam buddha as kala chor by smritis. And shakyavansh as shudra
Very Nice debate n educete to others about various all panalists also so nice spoke .. Ravish kumar sahab jesa anchor hi aise Debate rakh sakte hain bcoz he is Real journalist,,
Accha topic tha
Caste system has no reality in India.It exists only in our thoughts, conduct and perception. No science or law can identify my caste for the simple reason that it is not part of my Blood or DNA. So called Brahmins shown in this clip for asserting their so called superiority during their childhood might have been by their parents or elders that they are superior to others. When they grew up they were told not to mingle with people from few castes. Slowly such thought worked like Virus in their Psyche and they started thinking that they in fact are better than few castes.They were told that its part of system and so they never thought of challenging such system.When such Brahmins get married and have children, they never missed a chance to pollute the pure minds of their Children...So it goes on...generations after generations develop this caste consciousness and start hating or liking the people because of their caste. If you think Caste system is prominent in Hindus, its wrong . Even so called Muslims , especially Indian Muslims, also suffer from such caste system because of their proximity to Hindu culture for centuries.But no caste system is know to Muslims living in Dubai, UAE or Oman...and mind you....The caste system prevails also in so called Dalits because they too are brought up in an environment where they are told some caste is lower than theirs..Some Dalits never marry beyond their caste even if that particular caste is also Dalit... Some Dalits even claim to superior and better than all other Dalits....They do not even talk to some Dalits...So whats the solution.....God created us only as human beings but human beings, in India, to achieve their short term goals in terms of Power, Wealth, Influence,Ego started this caste system to rule over fellow Human beings...If you keep the children of so called Brahmin, Dalits, Jaats, Rajputs away in a nation like USA or China, for their initial 10 adolescent years of their lives, I bet you they will never come to know if they ever belong or belonged to any particular caste.They will never appreciate caste system...No matter how hard you try to pollute the mind of an American that this Indian is from a particular caste, he/she will never understand it....We have divided people on the basis of caste which in turn owes its origin to particular professions but can any body tell me that these so called low professions are not undertaken in other Nations and still we do not find any caste system there....Can even most learned Brahmin or Pundit or Dalit tell me what is the caste of Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Julia Roberts and Donald Trump? Caste system has ruined India like termite...Lets kill it..
India main ajjtak Zaat Paat ki Unch Neech ko khatam nahi kiya ja saka ye ak truth hai, Haddd to ye Hai TV Shows main isko cendem karne wale log agar unchi zaat se hain to wo bhi zabaan se chahe kuch bhi kahen but zaat paat wo bhi yaqeen karte hain.. Islam zaat paat ko bilkul nahi maanta fir bhi indian muslims bhi zaat paat ki bemaari main mubtila hain...
Mixing Mythology / fiction with History is not Acadamic
The alleged "Caste" System took shape in the oppressive mughal rule of India, when the ancient _Varna_ system degraded.
First thing to note is that *Indian philosophy believes on **_Advaita_** in the manifested existence.* SO, there is NO place for ideas like "higher"-"lower" or "good"-"bad" in Spiritual Vedic system, like in the Western Abrahamic line of thought, where mutually COMPETING (rather than complementary) concepts of "god"-"satan", "heaven"-"hell" play a central role. Infact the western view NEVER seem to rise above that discriminatory attitude in any respect.
Apparently *the discussed "caste" system is NOT OF VEDIC ORIGIN!* And many such "concepts" are being propagated among Indian mass to ridicule the MUCH SUPERIOR Vedic civilization. An ancient civilization that rather had _Varna_ as their social system, in which *society is segregated into four MUTUALLY DEPENDENT sects*, NOT based on birth but on proportions of the universal subtle _Tri-Gunas_. *These sects indeed NEVER compete or exploit each other, rather they act in conjunction, and complementary to each other, for the betterment of society as a whole.*
A glimpse of the same attitude can be seen in Ayurveda, where human body is NOT viewed as an assembly of parts mutually competing for resources, as in Allopathy, rather its the holistic healing that is always aimed for. If we agree that a human body, a _Brahmm Swaroop_, is an smallest element of the society, then its functional elements called _Karmendriyas_ can be divided into portions four varnas, based on the quality of work:
The mouth (i.e Speech only): (Subtle) Brahman Nature
The hands: (Gross) Shatriya Nature
The anus, genitals or say Thighs: (Gross) Vaishya Nature
The feet: (Gross) Shudra Nature
Now can one image a "healthy" human without a proper coordination of ALL of these four?
Similarly if, _Prana_, the subtle life force that meets _Pancha Mahabhoot_ i.e Ether, Air, Fire, Water and Earth, in different proportion, forms Vaat, Pitta and Kaph. Similarly the Wisdom of Brahman, when spread socially the rest three classes of beings evolve.
Prana: (Subtle) Brahman Nature
Vaata: (Gross) Vaishya Nature
Pitta: (Gross) Shatriya Nature
Kapha: (Gross) Shudra Nature
Body can NOT function without EACH of 'em is in perfect health and in sync with each other.
Now take the example of *Four **_Purusharthas_**. Each of them is considered **_Uttam_** for **_"Dvija"_** or Twice borns, and can be attained by a **_"Dvija"_** ONLY* in a particular state of Mind as shown:
Moksha: Attained by having the (Subtle) Brahmanical State of Mind.
Dharma: Attained by having the (Gross) Shatriya State of Mind.
Artha: Attained by having the (Gross) Vaishya State of Mind.
Kaama: Attained by having the (Gross) Shudra State of Mind.
*NOTICE that the **_Brahman Varna_** signifies the subtle aspect of existences ONLY. So IDEALLY, a brahmans should NEVER be materialistic. He should be ABOVE the three **_Gunas_** of **_Prakriti_** i.e **_Sattva, Rajas and Tamas_**, out of whom the other three **_Varnas_**, having the gross standings, are formed.*
*So a Brahman who is always in the subtle world, always in connection with the subtle higher self, can NEVER be imagined to "exploit lower caste", in his true state of mind, as being falsely propagated.*
Moreover, a person always BECOMES a Brahman out of his OWN worthiness and _Guru's_ grace. i.e *NO ONE is EVER BORN a Brahman, rather ONLY after the EXCLUSIVE **_Upanayan Sanskaar_** done by the **_Guru_**, he becomes one.* (Actually, Brahmans mostly avoided marriage and remained committed to their vow of celibacy, in search for higher levels of consciousness). In fact anybody from any _Varna_, with _Guru Kripa_ can become Brahman, a soul ALWAYS in unison with the absolute, _Brahmm_.
Then why a Brahman is called a _"Dvija"_ or Twice born, in some (forged/misinterpreted) scriptures? That was all to "make" Shudra untouchables, the odd-one-outs. But just look at the classifications above, ONLY the Brahman _Varna_ is the real ODD-ONE-OUT. Because its mental paradigm lies ABOVE the three gunas of _Prakriti_. Rest ALL are equivalent.
*Whats the truth then?*
As stated above that for a _"Dvija"_ its _uttam_ or good, to aim for the four _Purusharthas_ of this material world. *The three **_varnas_** that are governed by the three **_Gunas_** i.e they are UNDER them, namely **_The preserver-Kshatriya (Sattva), The creator-Vaishya (Rajas) and The destroyer-Shudra (Tamas)_** are the **_"Dvija" Varna_**.* All have EQUAL importance and right to aim in life for whatever their _Dharma_ calls for. And its them who are born twice, because even though by birth, they are of the respective (Non-Brahman) _Varna_, STILL by virtue of their Choice and Deeds, they can AGAIN be "born" i.e switch into another _Varna_ i.e for the rest of their life. *Hence the **_Varna_** were NOT fixed, and were ALL EQUAL.*
A civilization so spiritually and intellectually advanced, that has given this world SO MUCH, (though in return ONLY facing shameless ungratefulness and feeling totally unacknowledged):
=> From the numerals ZERO to INFINITY.
=> From Plastic Surgery to Vaccination.
=> From _Yoga_ to Meditation.
=> From the so called "Fibonacci Seq." to several Quantum theory concepts.
=> From the so called "Pythagoras'" theorem to concept of Gravity or _Gurutva_.
=> From _Saankhya_ to Buddhism.
=> From the early (before 1867) Diamonds (that were all stolen by foreign invaders) to the MILLIONS OF TONS OF GOLD, on which the WHOLE of the present western economy runs, be it of Christian or Muslim country.
*Such greatness of ideas could never have evolved in a society where one sect is constantly under oppression by other sects out of selfishness.*
*Indeed there occured a sever deformation in the great **_Varna_** system while, Indian were under barbaric Islamic rule.* When Hindu genocide, mass Hindu castration were trivial happenings. Abduction of Hindu women, Rape, "Harem culture" was on the high. It was the time when the enduring, inexplicably pathetic condition of common Hindu masses made them fall from their own standards. *When Insecurity creeps in, even most sober of men becomes self-centerd.*
*In fact it was the celibate and enlightened Varna of Brahmans, who were MOSTLY SLAUGHTERED / TARGETED, Why?* Its because
=> from other _Varnas_, the barbarians could get money, food and women. But the Brahmans only had their lives to offer to those Mohammedan devils.
=> They were responsible for the Temples, where huge wealth of Diamonds and Gold was present.
=> They were also very less in number, when compared to other _Varnas_. (*Remember that initially Brahmins RARELY enter into marriage relation.*)
So they were killed in largest proportions, and those who escaped, were weak enough to be the first to fall, *like an Avalanch that always starts form the top.*
*The FIRST fall was that the Brahmans started maintaining families (though not a taboo). This could be out of the obligation to secure Dharma, or to maintain their number, which had declined nearly to NEGLIGIBLE*, specially in few regions of North India at the time. And for them any how their number mattered most. So they NEEDED their offspring to remain a Brahmin by birth. Thus the flawless _Varna_ became the corrupt Caste. Hence other "Castes" followed the same, and for that reason only, nobody is "born twice" these days in actual sense.
Falling deeper, to support their families, they had to adopted the above mentioned four _Purusharthas_ (they had always been the "guiding light" of Dharma after all, they can do any thing). The effect of this was that the difference (i.e the earlier mentioned "odd-one-outness") vanished. Once the governor of the _Tri-Gunatmak Prakriti_ are now petty subjects of the same. *Being nearly unskilled to feed or protect their families, and out the insecurity, they started projecting the SENSE of rituals as exaggerated as like a NON-SENSE of Dogma.*
Having fulfilled by the Ksatriya and Vaishays, with protection and food, they (IR-RELIGIOUSLY) made Shudras the punching bag of their frustrations. They was started exploiting whatever that was at their disposal, for immediate ego boost. *Shudras being the LEAST affected by the barbarian attacks (because they were least noticed by those Islamic Jar-heads), remained puzzled peasants for rest of the time*. Bearing every unfairness either from the Muslims Tyrants or their own Hindu brothers, unquestioningly. Until when the misguiding poison of foreign manipulations corrupted them too. The "avalanch" had now reached the bottom, with full force.
Indeed the most pressure for survival was over "Upper" castes, and thats what had widened the crack in their loyalty toward religious righteousness and made them more demanding / harsher / Self - Centered toward respective "lower" castes. This was infact the case of WHOLE BHARAT-BHOOMI. Moreover, regular attacks on unmarried girls and widows, by the Muslim dogs for their harems, created social evils of Child Marriage and _Sati-Pratha._ *A civilization that always had given sole importance to the inner world and its beautiful ego-less **_Self_**, was now fallen to seek flattery and indulged in discriminatory proceedings, like their Muslim rulers. Rightly has been said, **_"Yatha Raja, Tatha Praja"_**, meaning, "AS THE RULER SO THE RULED."*
*Anyway, thus the FLAWLESS social system that had supported whole of the Aryavart for THOUSANDS of years, and had paved the way for its Glory in past, tumbled down.* People in general, started gathering traits like desperation, craving, and frustration in their daily lives. They started doubting their own values in the pressure of conversion and discriminatory _Shariya_ law.
In the english rule, Hindu text were corrupted, by the shallow misinterpretations mostly of the white bonehead educated fools. Not only that, even many FORGED entries were made in the list of discovered Scriptures, facts were all mostly manipulated. It was all to finally KILL the soul of this land, that was already tormented by Muslims, and get the GOLD in the (already) vulnerable Hindu temples. Christian Proselytization did share major part in that injustice.
That ALL is still going on...
*It was NOT ONLY the shudras who have faced injustice, adversity in the foreign rule, rather whole Hindu society was brutally raped by Muslims and English pigs.* Only thing is that other cast have someone one to punch, so as to get the frustration out. Shudras had none. And when they did have someone, he was there for nothing but poisoning them further, to hate their roots itself. Why most naxals are Christians?
*One should NOT forget that ALL the social evils in Hindu society, including the episodes of caste based oppression was just an outcome of oppressive circumstances of the medieval India created by foreign invasions.* And blaming Vedic Religion and its Texts for all that is utterly stupid. And this ignorance based propaganda is clearly backed up by the foreign forces to break India further. And "share" the left over Hindu mass between the two beasts of the Monotheistic Jungle, called Islam and Christianity.
bulshit theory by rao
Ravishji लोगोने ओशोका शबरी और राम का विडीओ भी देखना चाहिये ।
@@myspacedotorg1690 I read as much as I could and I couldn't find a single thing other than blaming Muslims for everything. Even if Islamic rule was the reason, what are we doing to change the things now?
Over explained by a post illiterate to impress readers just to believe that ancient caste system was ok.
Why most scientists are Christians..?
Why NOT Hindus If Caste System was good in Ancient Times of India..?
Note
Don't blame other religion just to hide your mistakes.
Thank you...
चंद्रभान प्रसाद जी एकलव्य का उदाहरण मांग रहे हो उछल उछल कर। जरा एक बार तुम खुद युधिष्ठिर और यक्ष का संवाद पढ़ लो जितना ज्ञान दे रहे हो ना सब समझ में आ जाएगा। मुझे लगता है समाज के कुछ लोगों ने महाभारत में केवल एकलव्य की घटना ही पड़ी है उनका मतलब महाभारत का केवल एकलव्य की घटना है।
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