Schluter KERDI-BOARD Tips for Beginners

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  • čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
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    0:00 Schluter KERDI BOARD tips
    0:07 How to check shower stud wall framing
    0:15 How to wet shim shower walls
    0:25 How to install Schluter KERDI-BOARD
    1:01 How to install Schluter shower niche
    1:30 How to install KERDI-BOARD on plumbing wall
    1:55 How to waterproof KERDI-BOARD
    These supplies were used in our video:
    Schluter KERDI-BOARD
    KERDI-BAND
    ALL-SET Mortar
    Schluter 16 x 20 Shower Niche
    Collomix Dust EX
    Collomix X01 Mixer
    ProKnee knee pads
    KERDI Trowel
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  • @HomeRepairTutor
    @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety

    Foam boards are very versatile, especially these since they can be wet-shimmed!! Subscribe for more tips and visit homerepairtutor.com for step-by-step tutorials

  • @eco_guardian
    @eco_guardian Před 3 měsíci +1

    Thumbs up for pronouncing Niche correctly

  • @apple-guy9394
    @apple-guy9394 Před 3 měsíci

    Wow this makes me redo one of my bathrooms.. thank you so much! 👍🏻

  • @aws3150
    @aws3150 Před rokem +1

    Simple and easy. Thank you.

  • @bosox2k1
    @bosox2k1 Před 11 měsíci

    Gosh that's beautiful work! So clean.

  • @RadioFixer
    @RadioFixer Před 2 lety +1

    This is the best CZcams video regarding this subject. Excellent video and explanation. 👍👏👏

  • @safeliving-home
    @safeliving-home Před měsícem

    I've been following your bathroom renovation projects and appreciate the insights you share. I recently conducted a detailed exploration into the safety and installation practices concerning foam core backer boards, specifically focusing on the critical role of wood blocking for secure grab bar installations. Our findings highlight the potential risks and structural integrity issues that can arise from omitting wood blocking, even with the most reliable materials and techniques.
    Given the importance of safety and durability in renovations, I thought this information could be beneficial to your projects and audience. Incorporating wood blocking can significantly enhance the strength and safety of grab bar installations, a detail that's often overlooked.
    I'd be happy to share our findings and discuss further. Keep up the great work, and thank you for sharing your knowledge with the community!

  • @mgalipeau87
    @mgalipeau87 Před 3 měsíci

    Beautiful clean job looks great A+ from a fellow tile setter

  • @hooks4nooks
    @hooks4nooks Před 2 lety +1

    Very nice work. Damn. That's paying attention to detail. I like how you work. Very helpful video. Thanks.

  • @M.A.H.123
    @M.A.H.123 Před rokem

    I love the way you explain and all those logic tricks, thanks for amazing videos, only one question how do you waterproof the joints between the ceiling panels and the wall schluter kerdi boards?

  • @lindawilliams183
    @lindawilliams183 Před 2 lety

    Thankyou so much for being so detailed, im new to this schluter product and this has really helped. It says that the kerdi boards are vapour retarder, does that mean i dont have to put a vapour barrier behind it on a exterior outside wall. I live in a colder climate so am just used to using one. I will definitly be watching all your videos now. Thankyou!!

  • @crucialfailure3062
    @crucialfailure3062 Před 4 měsíci

    Thank you so much better than that other long as video from your competitors

  • @priceandpride
    @priceandpride Před 2 lety +4

    Now if only I could find a qualified contractor

  • @XCBen
    @XCBen Před rokem

    Good sir, thank you for the video first of all. I'm going from old school methods to my first fully done schluter system. Question I have is, can I use polyurethane sealant on screw holes? I thought I've seen that somewhere.

  • @ThomLang-fv4sr
    @ThomLang-fv4sr Před 4 měsíci +1

    Great video! Question: to ensure maximum waterproofing, should the kerdi walls sit on top of the prefab shower pan?

  • @jimmyjamm7560
    @jimmyjamm7560 Před 8 měsíci

    Great vids.

  • @jroc5951
    @jroc5951 Před 7 měsíci

    Do you need anything under the kerdi boards for water/vapor/sound ??

  • @FrustratedBaboon
    @FrustratedBaboon Před měsícem +1

    Thumbs up. Fast easy installation.

  • @hazeperez3162
    @hazeperez3162 Před 22 dny +1

    Great video u have my sub

  • @ericspriggs6240
    @ericspriggs6240 Před 2 lety

    Hello I’ve been watching several of your videos, great job by the way. I’m currently remodeling our mb which product would you recommend kerdi board or wedi?

  • @waynebunker2071
    @waynebunker2071 Před 2 lety +1

    Do you recommend putting in the kurdi board walls first or the kurdi shower tray first, or does it matter. Nice video. Thank you!

  • @reverendsonhouse
    @reverendsonhouse Před 2 lety +2

    Are you overlapping the tape membrane where the vertical and horizontals meet?

  • @chadwickphillips316
    @chadwickphillips316 Před rokem

    Hey. If I can't find kerdi-board available in my area, can I use Home Depot's Everbilt XPS Foam Waterproof Backer Board Underlayment for Wall Tile? Does it play well with the Schluter systems? Thanks.

  • @holliebarton3976
    @holliebarton3976 Před 2 lety +1

    Awesome 🥇 🔥🔥🔥

  • @NevadaDHS
    @NevadaDHS Před 2 lety

    Would you use 4 quarts of water if you wanted to mix half of the bag to set the membranes?

  • @Throbtometrist
    @Throbtometrist Před 8 měsíci

    This dude can definitely juggle.

  • @RSST662
    @RSST662 Před 2 lety +2

    I need to remodel my parents bathroom …
    … I really hope I actually do eventually .

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety +1

      let me know if you have any questions 👍🏼🔥🔥

  • @f.shabestari8276
    @f.shabestari8276 Před 9 měsíci

    I love your videos, very informative and quick to the point. Quick question, for my shower, I am using Kerdi-board but instead of tiles, I am planning on using 4x4 Aluminum boards (marble looking). Since they are much lighter than tiles, would I be able to glue them on the Kerd-board? Thx!

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 9 měsíci

      Great question, what installation method does the aluminum board manufacturer recommend? I don’t recommend Liquid Nails as that could burn the fleece and ruin your waterproofing

    • @f.shabestari8276
      @f.shabestari8276 Před 9 měsíci

      @@HomeRepairTutor These panels are 4ftx4ft (47"x47"). They said their contractor uses PL100 which I believe it's construction adhesive for drywall. Their installation video uses Quick Grab Heavy Duty Construction Adhesive (non-solvent based). I thought I could even use Kerdi-Fix.

  • @morganlutz1695
    @morganlutz1695 Před 4 měsíci

    I'm not going to tile, I'm going to place up 5 piece tub surround. Do you think it's fine with this Kerdi board method?

  • @IHaveaPinkBeard
    @IHaveaPinkBeard Před 2 lety +4

    3:22 my favorite part

  • @scottperez6003
    @scottperez6003 Před 2 lety

    what if the shower valve is a irregular one with 3 nobs. Do they make a seal for it also?

  • @GenactaHomeCareAnchorage

    Do you use Kerdi board all the way down to the floor if you are installing a bathtub?

  • @austinramirez674
    @austinramirez674 Před 2 lety +1

    Appreciate all the videos, I’ve learned so much for our remodel. Question- do you have to pre-drill for the kerdi screws?

  • @mykeybalu6739
    @mykeybalu6739 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video man. So helpful!
    I’m building a steam shower. Will the kerdi board insulate steam?
    Can I put it on the ceiling also? I will need to fully enclose the shower to keep the steam in.
    Thanks!!!

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety +1

      You can use the boards or KERDI for the walls and ceiling. This article is helpful www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/showers/residential_steam_showers
      I’d also see if you can consult with the local rep, they’re invaluable

  • @markperry1241
    @markperry1241 Před 2 lety

    Installing R22000 delta valve, had Kerdi mixing valve seal KMSMC235/114 Which is obviously too small do you know if they make a seal for the R 22000? If not, Suggestions? Thanks love your videos short, accurate, and to the point.

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety +1

      You could try using two mixing valve seals - cut them both in one place and figure out how much of the rubber gasket you need to cut off, if any, and use KERDI-FIX to bond them together. I did a similar method for a small diverter valve recently, only it required cutting off some of the MV Seal and rebonding it together to fit a smaller opening

  • @bing083
    @bing083 Před 9 měsíci

    Is there such a thing as a square mixing valve cover, too? My diverter is not round

  • @ramongutierrez-gq4cq
    @ramongutierrez-gq4cq Před 4 měsíci

    My contractor is using Redguard on top of Kerdi, is that a good idea?

  • @IGOR10FREESTYLER
    @IGOR10FREESTYLER Před 2 lety +1

    Great informational video. Please answer my question: can this be install over existing drywall? I don't want to demo the existing walls

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety +1

      for existing drywall you could use KERDI membrane. If it’s latex paint and bonded well, you can apply thin-set over it then embed the membrane per Schluter’s Handbook 👍🏼🔥

    • @IGOR10FREESTYLER
      @IGOR10FREESTYLER Před 2 lety

      @@HomeRepairTutor same for unfinished drywall? Thanks 👍

  • @kristinwilliams9779
    @kristinwilliams9779 Před 3 měsíci

    I believe the thinset is supposed to be applied at least 2” beyond the band on any side

  • @getreal268
    @getreal268 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you for your videos , I was wondering if you’re having a hard time getting schluter panels ? And they tell me they are unsure when they will be in stock … can you use a latticrete panel with schluter membrane, pan curb etc?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety

      Great question, yes, right now a lot of foam boards are hard to find due to raw material shortages. You could use KERDI membrane over cement board or drywall and use the Schluter shower trays. That way, you'd maintain your warranty and would be able to use the system approach. I really like Schluter's KERDI-DRAIN because it's solvent welded and doesn't rely on sealant or rubber gaskets that can fail. There's nothing worse than a shower drain that leaks!!

  • @nicolasseifert
    @nicolasseifert Před 2 lety +2

    You guys rock! Watched all your videos and working on my shower right now.
    Question: I see your PEX leading up to the shower head is supported on a 2x6. Is that recommended? I just have my pex pipes free floating in the air.

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety +1

      Awesome, thanks for watching. Yes, it’s best to have some type of support for your shower drop ear elbow instead of free floating 🔥👍🏼

    • @MaMa-qh4dy
      @MaMa-qh4dy Před 2 lety +1

      Definitely pin your pex to the wood using the plastic Pex talons. Easy and cheap insurance. Otherwise, the Pex may rock around and make noise by hitting wall or wood when suddenly turning off the valve.

    • @nicolasseifert
      @nicolasseifert Před 2 lety

      Awesome, thanks guys. I’ll pin down all the pex lines today!

  • @stevem8535
    @stevem8535 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video. Maybe one of these days my kerdi board panels will arrive and I can apply these tips. I have been waiting 3 months and counting as kerdi board is on backorder

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety

      yes, heard the same thing but hopefully it’ll be available very soon. Lots of supplies aren’t available right now which is very frustrating

  • @jimlee1498
    @jimlee1498 Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks for the videos, I'm about to start my first shower using Kerti-Board. What options do you have it you applied wet shimming to the studs, screwed in the Kerdi-Board, and the result still is not plumb?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety

      great question, how out of plumb is the board?

    • @jimlee1498
      @jimlee1498 Před 2 lety

      @@HomeRepairTutor I have not started the project yet, still watching your great videos to learn the entire process. I also had the same question you asked, "what is the "specification" for plumb?" how "out" is "good enough" Thanks

  • @nadiadaniel8306
    @nadiadaniel8306 Před 2 lety +6

    Your videos are terrific for the DIYer. Can someone though shed light on why this Schluter Kerdi Board (which isn’t the easiest to source) is a better option than say a cement or hardie water resistant backer board which is 1/3 the price and much easier to come by? Appreciate everyone’s constructive input. Thanks!

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety +5

      Thank you, many foam backer boards are hard to source right now due to raw material shortages. The reason they're better than cement board is that there's no dust, they're easier to lift, you can customize niches/curbs/benches with scrap, and the system comes with a warranty. When you buy cement boards, they still need to be waterproofed with a liquid or fleece. You could use cement board with KERDI membrane or a liquid membrane like RedGard or AquaDefense. I highly recommend Schluter's system because of the drains which are solvent welded to PVC or ABS and don't rely of rubber gaskets that can fail over time. Plus the Schluter trays are fairly affordable compared to other systems. Feel free to email me at jeff@homerepairtutor.com with any more detailed questions, I'd be happy to help :)

    • @nadiadaniel8306
      @nadiadaniel8306 Před 2 lety +2

      @@HomeRepairTutor Thanks Jeff. I did find the Kerdi board at Home Depot as part of an overall shower surround kit for $600. Finding individual pieces of Kerdi board only available at Lowes and needed to buy at least 12. I think what’s confusing for a novice is that the cement backer boards say they are waterproof which implies there is no need to add fleece or liquid to them prior to thin setting them with tile?
      Another question-you are waterproofing the Schluter shower pan with Kerdi, but the ones I’m seeing at Home Depot are Kerdi backed so I’m guessing you don’t need to apply yet another layer of Kerdi over that prior to thin setting for tile?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety +2

      so yes, all Schluter shower trays now have fleece on them. You only need to waterproof the seams between the shower tray and walls with KERDI-BAND, and overlap those seams by 2" using either Schluter ALL-SET or an unmodified thin-set mortar. It's good that the kits have KERDI-BOARD in them!!!

    • @brandonjensen5292
      @brandonjensen5292 Před 4 měsíci

      @@HomeRepairTutoryou rule, Jeff

  • @lm-usmc
    @lm-usmc Před 2 lety +1

    I see there are many shower systems out there. Which one do you recommend for ease of installation and longevity for a very novice DIYer? Great vid by the way.

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety +2

      great question, Schluter would be my recommendation because of the drain and system approach. Not all backer boards can be wet shimmed like these boards and the drain is solvent welded; plus it has an adjustable grate that moves vertically and horizontally which is awesome during tile work 🔥🔥

    • @lm-usmc
      @lm-usmc Před 2 lety +1

      @@HomeRepairTutor Thank you!

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety +2

      @@lm-usmc happy to help in any way 👍🏼

  • @thomasbooth8942
    @thomasbooth8942 Před 4 měsíci

    Does it matter if you do the walls or pan first?

  • @AmezcuaREI
    @AmezcuaREI Před 6 měsíci +1

    I'm sure this won't get an answer before I start my shower (this weekend) but where did you find that extra large pre-made shower niche? I can only find the 6x12 and the 12x12. I really like that larger one you have. Thanks!

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 6 měsíci

      That’s a 12x20 prefab that my local Schluter distributor had. However, these days I like making my own custom niches with scrap pieces of KERDI-BOARD, if you have questions just email me at jeff@homerepairtutor.com

  • @bjdonovan7199
    @bjdonovan7199 Před 5 měsíci

    How would you seal a rectangle diverter valve?

  • @jvcharters
    @jvcharters Před měsícem +1

    Does that mixing valve seal work with the Delta multichoice valve with service stops???

  • @geraldgalbreath9085
    @geraldgalbreath9085 Před rokem +2

    Hi.. How thick of Schluter kerdi board do you recommend for a shower? I have heard 1/2' but is 5/8' or some other size better?

  • @jfgagne17
    @jfgagne17 Před 2 lety +1

    Can we use the same process (use wet shim / install Kerdi board for shower) on steel studs ?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety

      good question, I don’t know the answer! Best to call Schluter technical support and ask before attempting

  • @justinbrown2597
    @justinbrown2597 Před dnem +1

    I am in the process of starting my bathroom reno and I plan on using this system. One question i have is how much overlap of the kerdi banding do you do over the drywall?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před dnem

      I recommend 2.5 inches of overlap. If you have any questions let me know. Also, I’m starting a beta program that involves personal coaching via FaceTime or Zoom. If you’re interested in joining it send me an email at jeff@homerepairtutor.com

  • @tonygoshive785
    @tonygoshive785 Před 2 lety +2

    Great video as always. I was wondering, what if the shower valve is a irregular one with 3 nobs. Do they make a seal for it also?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety +1

      thank you, you’d have to customize with KERDI and KERDI-FIX 👍🏼🔥

  • @jsnyder5367
    @jsnyder5367 Před 9 měsíci

    I’ve seen some people put the floor in first and some install the walls first. What is the answer?

  • @ZachScott1
    @ZachScott1 Před rokem +1

    I know there are some folks saying there are issues with Kerdi All-Set and moved to ardex. Is that something you recommend?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před rokem

      I’d use All-Set for waterproofing, but do like Ardex for setting tile

  • @markfloyd3739
    @markfloyd3739 Před rokem +1

    Hi. I am installing an exposed pipe shower system with hand shower. There is a wall mount bracket for each that is supposed to be screwed into the wall. If I have Kerdi membrane under my tile, how would you recommend waterproofing these screw holes? Is it as simple as prefilling the holes with 100% silicone caulk?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před rokem

      yes, I’d inject silicone into those holes then add your screws, that way you’ll have some additional protection 👍🏼

    • @markfloyd3739
      @markfloyd3739 Před rokem +1

      @@HomeRepairTutor great! Thanks for the quick response.

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před rokem

      @@markfloyd3739 happy to help 👍🏼

  • @HM-lw7pq
    @HM-lw7pq Před 4 měsíci

    Great video except one thing. I am getting ready to redo a shower with Kerdi and I saw that you put your seam bands on first then your shower head seal and valve seal over that. Seems like you would want to make sure all water flows down the shower wall with no chance of water getting behind anything. Wouldn't you want to put the head seal and valve seal on first then run your wall banding over that?
    Thanks

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 4 měsíci

      As long as you have two inches of overlap the order does not matter

  • @januszwasicki6423
    @januszwasicki6423 Před 2 lety +2

    How do you know that your niche will lineup with tiles and,or grout lines ?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety

      I used a story pole for that and will have some future videos sharing some tips 👍🏼🔥

  • @TheSotexy2
    @TheSotexy2 Před 2 měsíci

    If I use cement board, do I still have to wipe off all the excess all set? I seen where they want 2 inches of overlap. Is this only for Kerdi board?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Yes, you want KERDI to be as flat as possible even on cement board so that it won’t interfere with tile

  • @brandonjensen5292
    @brandonjensen5292 Před 4 měsíci

    Can someone tell me why I still use durock?

  • @bajrorizvanovic5831
    @bajrorizvanovic5831 Před 4 měsíci

    I would put shower pan before walls that’s what we were thought to do using widdi board

  • @jamesk2207
    @jamesk2207 Před rokem +1

    Hi Jeff, when installing the board does it matter which wall you install first? Also why do you use the two small pieces at the top rather than just using one big board on the back wall?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před rokem

      It doesn’t matter what wall you do first, I was constrained by board inventory and that’s one reason for the smaller sizes; but you can piecemeal any board configuration as long as it’s waterproofed

  • @nicholauscurphey3925
    @nicholauscurphey3925 Před 2 lety

    I really wished Kerdi made 6" shower mixer seals.

  • @cervini1
    @cervini1 Před rokem +1

    Kerdi board is available in 3/16" up to 2'" thick, which thickness do you recommend for shower walls?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před rokem

      1/2” is great because it typically will be even with 1/2” drywall

    • @cervini1
      @cervini1 Před rokem +1

      @@HomeRepairTutor Thanks but i was more concerned about rigidness and deflection considering it is foam board. is 1/2" rigid enough with 16" studs?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před rokem

      @@cervini1 absolutely, yes, as long as your studs are 16” on-center the 1/2” is plenty solid. I think there’s a misconception that foam isn’t solid enough but if you’ve ever tried to demo KERDI-BOARD you find out real quick that it’s deceptively strong due to the fleece on each side

  • @maggseb
    @maggseb Před 3 měsíci

    Is tile the only thing that can go on it? Can we use top cement on it?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 3 měsíci

      You can use microcement over it, I’ve done that

  • @fernandoguadarrama6276
    @fernandoguadarrama6276 Před 7 měsíci +1

    What do you do where the Kerdi board meets the drywall

  • @user-no8rf4bg8x
    @user-no8rf4bg8x Před 7 měsíci

    transition at the floor?

  • @kenibolanos9944
    @kenibolanos9944 Před 2 lety +1

    👍

  • @jcdominguez9243
    @jcdominguez9243 Před 2 lety

    Helpful video. I noticed Steve isn’t in the videos anymore, where is he?

  • @mlhscanada1069
    @mlhscanada1069 Před dnem

    Can I put kerdi on the lower half then drywall?

  • @HermesTresmegestus
    @HermesTresmegestus Před 2 měsíci

    How is everyone getting the niche to line up exactly with the tiles?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 měsíci

      Most of the time I customize the niche and miter the tiles

    • @HermesTresmegestus
      @HermesTresmegestus Před 2 měsíci

      Thanks for getting back to me, I'm more asking more about water proofing. Are you tiling up to a point, then cutting the exact location of the niche and waterproofing or just measuring very accurately before tiling and building your niche? @@HomeRepairTutor

  • @Monkeybone6500
    @Monkeybone6500 Před 2 lety

    Wouldn't it be better to have less seams to have to worry about leaking especially the three that you have down by your feet where the most water is

  • @vigneshsan7976
    @vigneshsan7976 Před 2 lety

    I can’t find any Schluter kerdi boards in my area. Northern California. I think there is a world wide shortage on raw materials

  • @lindaclayton8701
    @lindaclayton8701 Před 2 lety +1

    🙄👍👏

  • @xforyourinformationx
    @xforyourinformationx Před 9 měsíci

    Filany a clean guy ., 99% of the videos are so messy I can't watch

  • @Nubbe999
    @Nubbe999 Před 2 lety

    Copied video from another channel?

    • @HomeRepairTutor
      @HomeRepairTutor  Před 2 lety

      absolutely not, you’re seeing me in the video and that’s my voice 👍🏼🔥