Athena GET ECU Introduction | Why Did I Install This? | 2019 KTM 300 TPI
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I get it. The GET ECU is like $900 and I just want KTM to give me a bike that runs properly for the mount I paid. You are not wrong. I’ve had about 6 of these TPI bikes now. This is the ONLY TPI bike that I’ve had that didn’t run right, and that sucks. In this video, I will go over the things I did to try to make the bike run correctly and eventually ended up here with this GET ECU.
Now I’ll have the ability to really fine tune the way the bike runs in a way that I’ve never been able to do even with carbureted bikes. How is that for turning lemons into lemonade?
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I purchased a 17 ktm 300 xc back in 17. After working through its issues and spending quite a bit of money, I was not impressed to say the least with ktm. We are very happy with the bike now but it cost right at $1500 to get it here. Since then I bought a Sherko 300 2t in 18. Very happy with that bike, haven’t had to do anything to it. Bought my daughter a beta X trader. That has been an excellent bike, we haven’t felt the needed to do anything to make it work properly. My son just bought an 18 gas gas 300 two-stroke, that is also an outstanding motorcycle and he hasn’t felt the need to change anything on that bike. I guess my point is, if you’re frustrated with the orange or white bikes, look at some of these other manufacturers. They are producing excellent motorcycles that work the way they should straight from the factory. Stop being so brand loyal. Just my two cents
100% there´s no need to be brand loyal , a bunch of great brands out there and if you buy used you get excellent value for money ...
This is where I think they may differ bike to bike. I've chased after my x trainer throttle/power endlessly. Love when it runs great, but it usually has me chasing it. Same with my Sherco trials. But then others with Sherco have zero issues. I think it's all a crap shoot if you get a good runner. I like both brands and would buy again, for sure. Am also thinking about buying a te 300 now, ha ha
Are any of those bikes road legal? Because I hear your point but I think the vast bulk of orange demons are related to the emissions N. America forces on them. Not all, but many imo.
I’ve been running one on my 2018 250xcw for almost a year now. I didn’t have any issues with my bike but I wanted more tune ability after upgrading to a high compression head and a few other engine mods. I haven’t been disappointed...the bike runs amazing...like perfect. I only make small +/- 1-2% lean/rich changes for the different seasons. With the high compression head it rips. Really would be a game changer if KTM had tuning capability from the factory like some of the Yamahas do.
I have the older software version. I haven’t bothered to upgrade since the overall fuel adjustment is all I really need. The whole WiFi thing is great for on trail tuning.
The way I fixed my 2018 250xcw tpi was I sold it and started riding a 20 year old KDX.
Don't blame you... the KDX is tried and true, and won't leave you stranded because of a silly expensive chip.
And you can run a different pipe, mill your head lr port it without having to replace a freaking $900.00 chip.
Really lmao
@@bigals.ktms.9937 Yes, I had nothing but problems from day 1. After many dealers and talks with KTM direct, I decided to sell the heap of crap and revert back to something tried and true. I've had many KTM's and Husabergs over the years without issue, but the TPI was a PIA!
@@204052971 thats interesting all I can think u got a lemon and it's left a bad taste, sorry to hear mate.
@@204052971 Hahahaha "heap of crap"...... Well good thing you got rid of it then.....
Exciting yet expensive. Funny how those two go hand-in-hand (esp w/ KTMs?). :)
Beta 300 + Keihn = smoothness, torque, nice linear power, simplicity, & no electronics, sensors or electrical components to break. :-)
True. I love my beta rr 300 2015
I'm with ya.
Sherco too
Love my 16 Beta 250 RR. Super smooth, quiet, and guttier down low than my previous KTM 250. I like the that the head pipe is higher off the ground than the KTM and the seat is bit lower. Best bike I have ever had and have owned many KTM and Pentons.
At the beginning of the year it was the "best xc-w you ever had!" Now you're saying that it's never ran correctly? Hmm 🤔
Funny that KTM didn't fix this issue on this particular bike.
they still haven't fixed it now on the later bikes.
Good video, cool product. You are a bit off however with respect to 2-stroke tuning and sensor requirements. The one big thing it looks like this motor is missing is exhaust temps. Otherwise, a MAF sensor is seldom used in 2 stroke application. To my point, your aftermarket ECU is not adding any sensors, its just giving you some agility with respect to tuning. My guess is you've got a bike with a faulty injector. You are band-aiding the issue with this ECU. (its probably not completely closing)
I work for a turbo company where we are able to tune stock sled ECUs to work with a turbo. This shows you how powerful these ECUs really are in the hands of a right tuner.
Again, you've got SOMETHING wrong with the bike, be it the fuel pump regulator is faulty, injector not closing all the way/slightly shorting out, bad wiring harness etc. These maps aren't something that work and then don't work.
All that said, having the agility of the ECU you upgraded to is really cool, and should be stock from the factory IMO.
Jeff Brines You are totaly right. But this has nothing to do with the fact that most of the tpi Bikes are running like crap and that he wants to sell a product!
Was thinking maybe the injector was faulty too. But if a aftermarket ecu changes the performance would that actually be the case?
Awesome to hear the GET ECU fixed it. A friend has one on his 19 and it runs perfect also.
CCP sensor, common issue easily fixed almost always overlooked.
Last week picked up my 2020 TE 300i, so far ran 9 hours through it and no problems at all. The bottom, middle, and top end all felt perfect.
So you've just conceded the challenge of running the 300 tpi stock for a 100 hours.
Yeh I'd really like him to run another TPI bike up to the same hours with stock ECU too
My 18' TPI had a deadzone in the low end, until I swapped out the original plug. Now it runs great at all RPM.
What plug did you replace stock with?
@@ryanwalsh9255 the OEM ZGR7GI
Makes sense! Buying a 10k bike and install a new ECU to have it working properly.
The factories are more than happy to keep pumping money out of us just to make thes toys run right, after over 10 grand is already blown.
Thanks KTM 👍
Toco said somethign that really made sence. KTM WENT TO FI on 2 strokes for emissions not for MORE power for us...
Hey Kyle, do you think the recent solution of installing a new butterfly idle adjustment screw would have allowed you to tune out this issue utilizing the air bypass screw? I really enjoy watching your videos, you have great content and the production quality is top notch.
Another Great video Kyle. Good to know what options to consider if a tpi bike starts running poorly and no resolution from a KTM dealer. Looking forward to see condition of piston at the 100 hr mark.
Try Two Stroke Performance from Australia. He's a wizard!
Suggested that in 1 of his last vids haha
GREAT VIDEO!!! my 2019 300tpi is also having similar 1/8 throttle rough running issues, vs other and my 17 300. great research/info!!
What was your solution? I'm also at 45 hours on mine and it just started running rough and even not carrying much power in the mid rev range. Sam symptoms, smooth at the bottom, rough in the middle and smooth on top.
Check out the new Sherco!!! Keihin vforce and kyb stock!! Awesome package!!
I’m looking forward for your reviews on the 2020’s I’m looking to get a 2020 after the winter
I'm curious to know your thoughts on this against the carb model with a lectron?
So the 100 hour test didn't work 🤔.
I'm still committed to that. I will just have to have one of my riding buddies help slam hours into it.
So in order to run a brand new bike for the 100 hrs you have to spend another $900 for an ecu on top of everything.... wasn't the point of the 100hr test to show how awesome and reliable the TPI was?
Comil1983 how does the ecu have any bearing on the reliability?
@@billymcculloch-hardenduro2755 The criticism that started the 100hr test was that Kyle would put 10-15 hours on a bike and move on to the next, never exposing any flaws in the bike. This is the first tpi bike he has put more hours on and now he feels he has to spend more money on it just to keep riding it. Seems obvious to me that having to take it to multiple dealerships to diagnose and then spend an extra $900 because it didnt run right means there was a problem that prevented him from getting back on the trail... not able to ride your new $10k bike = unreliable
I have this bike and I can every once in a great while feel what he is talking about with the bike but honestly the bike runs so good that it really does not bother me at all...so far I have 12 hours on mine so time will tell
That ECU has to be great for you with the huge changes in elevation at which you ride.
The stock ecu is fitted with a MAP sensor and is self compensating, as are all 4 stroke bikes.
Thanks for the info Kyle. Question - Are you running Saber in your TPi bikes?? The Amsoil site doesn’t mention if it’s injection approved so I’m trying to research. Guessing it’s fine though...thanks!
Scott Fast I would recommend just using the KTM oil given how little oil these bikes use the pricing is kind of negligible. If looking for alternatives the important thing is that the oil meets the same oil specifications that the owners manual specifies which is JASO FD. I’ve never used saber so I’m not familiar with what oil specs it has.
Have run Sabre on my 18 tpi no problem 90 hrs
I'm running Motorex in all my TPI bikes.
Dirt Bike Channel thanks Kyle
You would think that KTM would take care of the problem instead of spending $900 out of pocket.
That is the disappointing part, KTM dealers couldn't find and fix the problem. Not confidence inspiring.
It’s something I’ve noticed at all dealerships. They aren’t much help nowadays in my experience (all brands). A lot of the older guys that knew bikes inside and out are retired I guess.
he did say this was the only EFI ktm that he felt required help out of a few he had, maybe a lemon but who knows.
I think the problem is the mechanics at the dealerships don't know how these tpi bikes really work. So they've been shown the diagnostic testing deal but that's about it. If that doesn't come back with a blatant issue then they won't dig much deeper.
@@MikeChvarak yes more than likely mechanics had no idea how to fix it, should of reflashed ecu could of been a corupt file.?
Thanks for the info , keep up the awesome videos man you are an inspiration
In my opinion, this whole TPI system is ruining the main benefits of a 2T.. I love my ‘07 250sx , runs like a champ and very simple to work on..
Hi Kyle, thanks for another great video. Just wondering if you ever tried the JD Jetting fuel tuner? The JD unit isn't as advanced, but it is much cheaper. Just wondering
JD are junk. A very course hit and miss tuner and have been known to cause ecu failures on some brands of bike.
Notably the Husky 449-511 models.
My 2020 Husky is the same. I’ll be getting the Australian product, performance head and ecu flash for $850 aud. For all the nay sayers out there, the Acrapovic slip on I bought for my 350 was $1000.
Had to pause on the new 2020 Ktms to see if they fixed it but nope still no kickstarter 😭
i've noticed a bogging at mid/high rpm on my 2019 250 tpi. after reading forums and finding a guy experiencing the same on his new 300 it seems like after changing and replacing just about all he could from spark plug to sensors the only thing that made the bike run as it should was a GET ignition system. KTM told him the poor running of the bike was "just a characteristic of the bike" and there was nothing wrong. People shouldn't have to spend close to £1000 on an aftermarket ignition system to get a bike running correctly
Hey man I run a stic Metering block I purchased off Tokyo off-road it passes the admission standards better than the TPI bikes I have a 2018 300 X CW carbureted and the bike runs perfectly with way more power than I’ll ever need
Hey thanks for the update Kyle. Somethings I find a bit humorous..... Buy a 20 year old bike..... Not going to happen. Try and get parts for that is ridiculous. Let the crap fly over that..... And no matter what one says about they can get this that or whatever for a 20 yo bike is dreaming. Not to mention you WILL pay a premium price for the parts. Even pistons/rings from someone who still makes them. As to don't buy or it's not reliable...?? Really..?? It still works, it's just not working like he likes it to. I have had that on some bikes too. So after all this, I like the idea of the TPI if I was still living in AZ where elevation changes are pretty substantial. 2K in PHX to 7+K in Flagstaff. But I now live where the most I will see is MAYBE 2K difference. Checked out the Husky 300 and found some dealers still have 2019 TX (w/carb versions) for $2K to $2500 less than the 2020. And I can tune my carb so it would be in MY best interest to stay with something I don't need to finance so much to own. Again keep up the great videos!!!
It’s pretty clear your stock Ecu was faulty right?
can you remove the small in-line conical OEM fuel filter in favor of a larger more traditional filter? Great Channel, Thank you Kyle!
Now the aftermarket does a good job of filling dead spots that the manufacturers can't do. But I'm a tech and when we had the KTM brand and I know what they put into the bikes they make i have a question for you. When you took your bike to the two dealers did they offer to contact KTM, open a case? We had KTM for about two years, we dropped them cus we could not compete with the otter dealers that were in the area but I still love the brand. But when I was working on a bike and could not figure something out I would contact KTM for more insight. They have no problem working with the dealers. With the race teams they have and the work they do with the dealers is how they make their bikes better.
Nice reply as ktm sometimes come in for a bashing and maybe it's the dealers that cannot be bothered to contact ktm for help who knows I have a 350 one of the best bikes I've owned
I'd suggest not switching bikes every 40 hours and instead tuning one and sticking with it.
Changing the CDI alone won't do anything nor will switching the exhaust because the head design is shit to begin with. Look up twostrokeperformance; custom head+CDI are just under 600 bucks. It will fix all your issues.
It's a new bike and he has spent more money to make it run right. What are people thinking when they go out and buy a tpi? I think ktm does't even know how to fix these problem bikes.
They don't have a clue because they are too busy trying to satisfy European Union EPA regs which are basically working to eliminate the 2 stroke. That's the goal. But I guess they will still build and sell 2 strokes if the customer doesn't mind a very short life motor.
At 8:00 , that's y I don't get ktm's
Hi Kyle, just finished the video, I’m wondering if your tried a 2018 ECU on the bike? I have no idea if that would work, but might make a more economical solution to the GET ECU
That’s why I bought a 2020 te300i the price difference was only 400 bucks but I had to get a kickstarter kit👍
I am having the same problem with my 2021 300 TPI. It's a week old and going back to the dealer to troubleshoot. But I'm thinking it will need a GET to make it right. My 500 cleaned up with the GET.
hey, how to make adjustments without having that engine running all the time. i don't have an ignition key on my 2022 450 SMR
Can Yoi do a review on coober vs get pls??? I can’t find anything out there
Hey Kyle, hope you get this message, but I have a 250i TPI and I think I have the same issue as you. It has a rough spot close to the top end as it is revving. It almost acts like a "rev limiter" but runs perfect low and mid end until I go up a bit in revs slowly unless I really yank that throttle and it seems to bypass that. is that what you were having? acting like a "rev limiter" ? guessing I dont have a choice but the Athena ECU
logic dictates that the problem was electrical, either the ecu itself or the connector had a less than stellar contact on a pin. Either way, a replacement KTM ecu would have also fixed it.
Kyle, how fat a wallet will be required if you want to change pipes, mill or change heads, do porting, etc.?
How does the GET ECU you purchased compare to Slavens version and is there a reason to go one way or the other?
You pay top dollar for a ktm and then you have to throw more money into it just so it runs right unbelievable. If you buy a brand new bike you expect that you can just jump on it and ride but they says no just do this and that and then it wil run fine.
@south agreed. I've worked in manufacturing long enough to know that if you wait until all the bugs are worked out you never ship it. What is troubling is that KTM isn't fixing the field issues or giving hope to those who are having trouble (from what I've read). Only KTM knows the exact % that are struggling with issues. What probably happens here is that KTM was forced to get this out fast and weren't allowed to make it a changeable ECU. Or there are just some lemons out there...who knows.
My 2019 300 XCW is boss! It runs perfectly in all gears, in all areas, etc. Purchased a 2020 and it runs like dog poop. Going to get rid of it and keep the 2019; much better bike.
Any chance you happen to know what the numbers on the top of the stock ECU were on your 2019 tpi?
"Fantastic tuner out of Las Vegas" hmmm i wonder who that could be 🤔 haha
No it is definitely not vegas RoManiac. Those two are not friends 😂😂😂😂 Well especially vegas keeps bitching about Kyle
@@andrejskamla9736 i definitely wasnt thinking if him. Haha
Mmm tacos 😂😂
I just bought a 2022 xcw 300 first TPI help I have 3 hours on it I can hear it pipe banging pinging coming off the throttle and mid-range other than that it runs fine fairly hot though? I just feel like it's running lean is this something I should take it back to the dealer for or should I look into getting the ECU so I can richen it up help scared of blowing up at 13,000 bike
Does it store or have the ability to store data during riding to fine tune the settings?
Has anyone heard of issues with the 2019 300XC-w cold seizing on startup and pre-mature wear on the cylinder wall after only a few hours? Another website with a so-called KTM guru I watched had a cure for this issue by changing the in-tank filter to a larger size and adding 1oz. of oil per gallon to the gas. My question is will this ECU cure that issue also, or would I need to go ahead and do this mod too? Man, this crap is getting expensive especially since I just recently had to change the starter motor for $400+ at the dealer.
Whos the tuner in Vegas that you mentioned @ 5:50?
What about the coober compared to the get ecu
My 2018 carb bike runs great, completely stock. Ktm should have USA only bikes that don’t have that injected junk.
^Typcial american
Yeah idk about that... I would love to have fuel injection. Next spring I'm getting one. I've been in every carb multiple times on many different bikes.
@@divergent2619 well now if you want to do a simple motor mod, like a milled head, you're going to have to buy an ecu. If you want it bone stock then you might like it.
The injected junk is the only thing that will save 2 strokes because of more strict emissions standards worldwide step into the 21st century.
@@koksaltskenneth nothing typical about Americans but there is something typical about people that say that about other people.
The new lectron is 900$
Please tell me KTM is still gonna offer carbureted models for people who like to keep it simple and also people who don’t want to pay the extra money for TPI just to delete it. I’ve been seeing Beta guys deleting their oil injection.
Is there a list of bikes for the GET ECU.
why ktm doesn't put such stock tunable ecu? yamaha did. Paying that much money for a bike and still need to buy something extra to make it run good? damn it. BTW you could swap ECU with other bike you had running well to troubleshoot first before you buy GET.
What happened to KTM warranty?
60 days only
This is interesting, I had the same exact problem with my 2019 300 TPI 6-Days but found the power valve spring tension to be off. I fixed it myself after 2-trips to the dealer with no luck. To be more detailed, the power valve spring had too much tension on it and wouldn't open at the correct time the throttle was adding more fuel. Once I backed off the spring tension (1/4 turn counter-clockwise) it cleaned everything up. Now the power valve opens earlier and is able to burn the additional fuel it was getting at that throttle position. Hope this makes sense.
That’s the crappy thing I’ve learned with KTM. Buy a 10k bike but the mikuni sucks so you spend 500$ on a lectron. Then suspension if your outside the weight limit, bike protection etc....Now you buy an even more expensive tpi and you need a new ecu. Such bs.
I love my KTM but after all the money I’ve dumped into it I’m not getting rid of it for a long time. Just glad mine is carbureted.
This is not an exactly honest advertising.
In my opinion it is a wrong way to promote Athena ECU.
KTM2018 EXC250 SIXDAY can use this get ecu?
I didn't hear anything about the spark plug. Would have been a lot cheaper than all those things to try.
dricul yeah my spark plug fouled within 2h changed it to a cheap ngk iridium plug and haven’t had issues sense. -18 250 exc.
If possible make a video on xr 190 rear drum break to disc break conversion
HAHAHA
@@grecoconduris6716 hehehe
I bought a new 2019 WR 450F, the U.S models don't come with a CCU, competition ECU, or the dual map switch on the bars. If I was to install all that stuff myself via GYTR accessories, it would cost me over $600. $600 more that I'll have to spend on a bike that already cost me $10,300 all because of the state of Commiefornia. If I was Donald Trump, I'd give California back to Mexico, and then put a border fence around it.
You tell em, Billy Bob.
That's because the WR is an emission complying model those other options would make it non compliant.
Should have bought the 450FX....
Add a spark arrestor and lights(cost me 300 Canadian) and I'm now legal on government land.
I bought a used 250FX with 4hrs on it last year for a great price and it's really an awesome bike....especially considering what I paid.
Found a used GYTR tuner,playing with tunes....no care for a switch on the bar.
I also have no urge to ever buy another 2 stroke pumpkin for 12k Canadian and still have to put money into it.
Guess with age comes a bit of wisdom....
Yeah I’m glad I brought one of the last carbie 300exc in Australia the bike is sweet but little issue’s shit me plus you get very little support from the dicks at the dealer.Will go Japanese next time for sure
Wow we have been tuning them with this and added compression for quite a while now, I figured you already knew about it.
Ktm should have that stock
Hello just wondering what is that cap on the frame above the fuel tank for??? Please answer
The oil tank
Kat oom i thought it was but just want to make sure does it mix the oil itself or do you mix it before you put it into the fuel tank
Hmmm...sounds like a good argument to stay with a simple carbureted bike.
I’ve heard nothing but bad things about the TPI bikes. Run way to lean and overheat. The stock bike is too clean emission tuned in my opinion.
the cost to fix that bike was $1,800.00
Can u still buy non tpi 300 ktm or husky? Im going to upgrade from a 07 wr250 with 300 kit pwk 38 gnarly pipe rekluse clutch 6 speed conversion... what would u recommend? Im 6' 185 ride single track in the u.p. mi i love my wr but its become more fixing and less riding and ive never bought a new bike ... xcw 300 or te300?
dopesquatch ruler of all
All 2020 ktms and huskys are tpi now. Only carb 19’s were the SX and XC’s (and 150’s) models plus Husky TX 300.
@@brianh8484 Nope. The new TX is now TPI as well.
I believe the sx250 is still carb
@@richtausch9126 i ended up buying a 2020 beta 390
What bike for 13yr old amateur rider really want a new bike my first bike 80cc honda 1993 😁
Faith Bradley yz125,cr125,ktm 125,husqvarna 125,tm 125
Basically Any 125 from a known brand
@@philipp4109 okay nice wanted to know for my son
So many 'Wows' with this video.
Firstly, good old KTM doing R&D using their customers.
As Kyle says, some run well, lots don't - the customer is the Guinea pig.
Second, why would KTM not fix the bike? Because they don't care about their customers, they got your money and it's goodbye.
Next up, the GET products work well, BUT it should not be something an owner should have to buy simply to get a standard bike to run properly - again, shame on KTM!
Next Kyle, while the tuning process is different for a 2 stroke engine, all the required sensors and precessing power is right there on the bike already. The problem lies in KTMs bungled mapping software for these engines, simply not enough time spent tuning at the factory and sloppy variability in build quality. The standard ECU has all it needs to run any single cylinder engine - Coolant temp, air temp, throttle position, manifold pressure air temperature and crank location. From these sensors, assuming the mapping has been set up correctly, the ECU can work out how dense and how much air is flowing and add fuel to suit. You said yourself the other bikes ran fine. It's not a lack of hardware, it's an individual bike fault.
I'm sure that the GET ecu will get around the fault in your bike, but the fault is still there.
I'm willing to bet there's a leak, a sensor that is reading inside it's upper and lower 'safe ranges' (so does not set a code) but not the correct value for the actual parameter being measured or some other similar issue that has been overlooked.
There is no skid plate for honda xr 190
Madidafist Naruto unreal
@@aussiehonchar3606 n why is that..many people r doing different mods in india people r modifying apache bikes to hayabusa.classic re to harley..n rear disc break conversion is very easy mods
Madidafist Naruto it’s unreal
Should not have to buy that for a new bike.
I'm sorry to see you removed your Yamaha banner. I see all you ride now is orange. Yuck. Haha.. I enjoy your trails you ride, your scenery, but now all I see is KTM. Bummer. Anyway I hope you get your ECU issues worked out. Otherwise, ride Blue again. Take care and thanks for your videos.
Sherco
CCP sensor, not all bikes are affected but some are. CCP sensors were found to be bad from the factory. Little note, if your bike doesn't run right, don't ride it !! You wanted to be able to tune your bike this is misleading people thinking KTM sent you a bad ECU. The Get ECU can work around the bad CCP sensor so you think you fixed the problem. My $.02 worth for anyone looking to buy a TPI bike. If it doesn't run smooth as butter, something is off. Find a tuner dealer not a parts replace until fixed dealer.
Stop wasting time and money. Two stroke performance here in aus has the answers
What do u mean
Playing yourself when you have no idea what your doing when a professional tuner has it as about as good as you get , you would only make it worse
Buy a 2025 when KTM will have the problems fix , maybe , ggg
After all these problems with TPI , KTM could have stayed with the carb and been way better.
Someone should pull all the TPI off the bike and install a carb and post the video.
If Honda made a 2 stroke they'd put the crap to KTM.
Get to the point bruh
TEST TM 300 THEN WE CAN SPEAK ITALIAN STALION
Stick with Yamaha and skip the hassle. Kills me that they have turned the most simple engines (2strokes) into a computerized technical mess already. Give me good ole fuel, air, and fire and forget the electronics and gadgets. YZ250X for me. Same as diesel trucks and all this new emissions garbage. It's a money making joke. Make a worse product and make it more technical for more money.
You make too much since sir 👍
Keep in mind that they had to do this or stop selling 2 strokes in Europe. That would kill the 2 stroke line. I'd rather have a TPI than no bike at all. The Japanese have given up on 2 strokes, so this is our main option. Yamaha hasn't changed the 2 stroke since 2006. That isn't progress unfortunately. I'm a Yamaha fan too.
@@DirtBikeChannel They have made plenty of changes since 2006. And this part I'm not directing at you but more the magazines. It's a lazy statement used to fit their narrative.
@@seanwahl1000 Yamaha has made almost no changes to it's almost none existent 2 stroke line and Japanese manufacturers don't even sell 2 strokes in Europe any more.
@@robh3267 Yamaha definitely sells their 2-strokes in Europe.
The two banger is dead men, deal with it. All this TPI bullshit is the last gasp of a dying breed.........I might get a Sherco before they change over too.
Ktm sucks stock.