False Dichotomy of Theism and Naturalism | Otangelo - Brazil | Talk Heathen 03.25
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Otangelo: "You are unqualified to discuss biochemistry with me."
Also Otangelo: *Unqualified to discuss biochemistry*
Otangelo is either an idiot or he is not an idiot. But only the affirmative claim has met it's burden of proof.
Kudos, sir lol
Yes
The evidence supports he is an idiot.
It seems to me that the evidence that he is an idiot is irrefutable. He cannot think critically at all, not because he is not smart, but because he greatly fears admitting to being wrong. This seems to be common among (most) theist callers.
Seeing Matt talk this calmly for this long when the caller was totally awful has been an interesting experience. An atheist experience
@THE PEOPLE SING
So... literally everyone is fucked up?
Is it possible to produce offspring which are not fucked up?
THE PEOPLE SING when I saw the caller was awful I just mean he was repeating himself over and over without being honest. Don’t assume anything about didn’t say
@THE PEOPLE SING Still arrogantly misrepresenting atheists as claiming to have absolute knowledge while simultaneously claiming to have absolute knowledge yourself.
You are a laff riot, TPS.
@THE PEOPLE SING you really dont know how dumb you sound!
@THE PEOPLE SING "Matt Dilly farts and says "mmmmm, always smells like blueberry pie."" Keep going. I'm almost there.
Listening to Otangelo has lost its novelty. It feels like more of a chore than anything. I hope never to hear a call from him again.
Considering he uses the same ignorance and dumb arguments as every other creationist i dont see any novelty. He pretty much is the same kind of pseudo intellectual moron as True Empericism.
You are right. It is hard to listen to such logic fails: Matt - "Otangelo? Otangelo? Otangelo? Otangelo?"
Stefan Dingenouts I don’t get it either! I understand that they have the conversation for the sake of the viewer, but as a viewer I’m tired of him. I had a conversation with him on a CZcams comment section and a text based conversation is WORSE.
themplar when I say “the novelty has worn out”, I mean when he first came on, I somewhat enjoyed the call. The 2nd time he called, I was excited to listen to more of the conversation. I’ve lost count at how many times he’s called, but I roll my eyes whenever I see his name now.
@@chrisducharme1729 wow, text conversation must be brutal.
I'm from Brazil. Think of my country as a giant Bible Belt. It used to be a Catholic majority place, but since the 90's protestants have soared to power and currently got the upper hand in politics and own 1/3 of the media. There are literally millions of Otangelos out here, probably 90%. You get the idea...
My sincere condolences
NO, Wilson, NOT close to 90%, otherwise that bolsonaro gangster would've been reelected, although I AM embarrassed that there are close to 50% of these idiots... we got to keep fighting these fascists, buddy!
I sometimes felt Matt blowing up on someone and hanging up was a big of a weakness.
Listening to this guy for more than 30 seconds made me realize Matt definitely knows what he's doing.
The caller's argument is that is makes no sense, based on that i came up with this :
1. A race of very advanced aliens. Living creatures with higher technology, knowledge and ressources than us that obey to the laws of the universe.
2. God, a being that breaks all of the laws of the universe.
Which one of those makes more sense for the origins of life on earth?
@@ArcherMVMaster 5
Im pretty impressed with Matts restraint in the face of Otangelos relentless stupidity, but it would have been quite funny to see him blow up.... hehe
Matt’s restraint? He cut the guy off mid sentence multiple times. For the record, I’m not a theist.
revo1974,
Matt explained very clearly why he was cutting him off, and he was right to do so.
@@revo1974 if we don't cut someone off after they use fallacious reasoning and make unsubstantiated assertions than we are listening to claims based on unsubstantiated assertions... there is no point in doing so.
Tiberius 209 The very first time Matt cuts him off, the guy was just beginning to answer his question.
@@revo1974 ya, because he was already having to correct him...
Otangelo gets so pissed when Matt stops him at each fallacy. Theists do this a lot. They think Matt is not letting them finish, but that is because they start out with a fallacy and it is impossible to move on in an argument until the fallacy is removed from the argument.
@@intelligentdesignacademy3460 False dichotomy.
@@intelligentdesignacademy3460 Listen to the video again, Matt explains that the dichotomy you posed between theism and naturalism is a false one.
@@intelligentdesignacademy3460
It was explained in the video multiple times.
You were too busy whining and trying to lie about what other people think, to hear what was said to you.
"Let me finish" = "let me gish gallop and try to change the subject" 😂
I know...I have been looking at the trees for 15 years - Matt epic dillahunty 😂
L3X Mal he had me rolling on that one as well 😂
Otangelo has called in SO many times already, and his reasonings skills did not move one little step forward... Is it still worthy spending time like this?
@@reasonandsciencecatsboardcom ehm... Yeah... You don't know what I think, what exactly I believe or don't, and it's the first time you hear anything from me, and if you read my comment again, did I say anything at ALL about it? Go on, take your time to read..... Now, your response makes no sense apart from confirming my point. Sorry but I'm not as patient as Jamie, I'm not spending any more words or time on this, you've already got way too much from him.
Well done Matt. That's some awesome self restraint you have there.
@THE PEOPLE SING Could you elaborate on that? I can't see how you get from Max Macs post to your reply.
@@AlbusBlanco Dito. It's the kind of flawed logic that only comes with years of practice.
@THE PEOPLE SING You do know the definition of the word "restraint",right?
@@AlbusBlanco The People Sing is currently locked in "atheists think they know everything" mode, and can't seem to break from that rut.
Especially ironic considering that he/she does, in fact, think he/she has knowledge of absolute truth.
Still, we could be talking about dunking Oreos in milk, and this numbskull would harp on about how we allegedly think we have absolute truth.
He/she is a lost cause.
@@AlbusBlanco you wont get much from that idiot. makes stupid statements every week!
oh tangelo doesnt even speak word salad, it's more like word trail mix
heavy on the Brazil nuts
@@canderson5098 that's a lot of nuts!
Complete nuts.
What do you mean?
Gone off the trail mix
Otangelo repeat after me.
I
don't
know.
lol XD You're a great teacher! Teaching a whole slew of things to the entire class with just one sentence. Awesome :)
@@stylis666
You don't think that simple, intellectual honesty is the best place to start?
@@stylis666 Yep, I don't think teaching a class that we know things we don't know would be terribly helpful. What's your pedagogical take on that?
@@stickiedmin6508 I do and I wasn't joking. I think that with that simple thing Crazy prayingmantis showed that it's not only the best place to start if you care about what's true or don't want to be made fun of, but it's also okay to sometimes not give an argument but make fun of someone's mistake in a lighthearted fashion and that fun is important too and that not knowing everything is okay as well, etc. etc. And I thought it was quite amazing all of that was condensed so elegantly. I could learn a thing or two about that :P Evidently :p
@@stylis666
I was concerned that you were being a tad sarcastic.
Please feel free to completely disregard my earlier comment.
😁
As a Canadian I 100% support this use of the melody of our national anthem
Lowkey, I love Otangelo. Always incredibly entertaining.
Eh, you can't have a back and forth with the guy. When they put him on hold while Matt was explaining his epistemology near the beginning, the dude was just talking while on hold for a few minutes. He clearly didn't listen to anything Matt was clearing up. So when they brought him back, he was not prepared to address anything Matt had said. He is not interested in listening at all. These types of callers aren't entertaining, because all we got was Matt having to re-explain his position over and over and over again. And as someone who has also "been looking the trees" for years now, I know what Matt is going to say 99% of the time now. So, for me this call was like nails on chalkboard. Otangelo wasn't willing to listen. These types of callers are the worst because there is zero back and forth. The second they brought him back after being on hold for a while and he was still talking to himself, they should've just asked him to paraphrase what Matt said and upon failing to do so, should've just hung up and moved on.
Yeah, I mean some of Matt's responses were entertaining, but it certainly wasn't a good discussion.
Otangelo drank the Koolaid
Anyone else on an Otangelo binge?
You’ll never see this but…yes… 😂
Hahahahaha I love watching the expressions on Jamie's face every time Ontangelo says something that should and normally would make Matt go off his mind
I sure Matt punched a wall after this call LOL
Potential evidence Ontangelo is suffering confirmation bias:
When ideas that are proposed conflict with what he believes he gets frustrated and angry. Worse than that hes not interested in conversation. He shuts down.
Continuing to take his calls is enabling him at this point. Gotta cut the cord. Past time to move on.
That Otangelo guy doesn't know how to have a conversation...
Yeah he thinks that making the same point that we all understood (better than him) the first time, whilst not listening constitutes a discussion.
He, like most theists, only knows how to preach.
@@reasonandsciencecatsboardcom Oh, there you are, take it as constructive criticism or feedback if you will, your constant interrupting, misdirections and unwillingness to listen make for awful and unproductive conversations, I don't know what you goal is by calling but that is not the way to reach it.
@diego Torres his goal is to be able to tell his followers that he has" destroyed" a popular atheist show so he can fleece them of even more money.
@@jasonwilloughby1372 Wow I had no idea that he was being so dishonest, I normally wouldn't consider a shouting match to be a win on anything but I can understand how some people may be easily convinced by insufficient evidence, that is absolutely disgusting.
Makes me laugh when I hear
"The evidence is all around us"
Ok give me one instance of a repeatable demonstrable experiment showing one shred of evidence for what you are claiming.
"......... well you have to begin by believing it and then, the evidence is all around us"
Hahahahahahaha
Intelligently designed idiots.....what a great concept!!
@@redeemedone8553 Right. If you start by believing soomething, you can interpret everything as being evidence for that.
shonkee
The truth has nothing to fear from inquiry.
The intellectually honest starting point is *I don't know*
The creation account of the Bible and every other religious creation account doesn't fit with the evidence humanity has gathered from all over the globe.
Have the courage to fly under you're true flag, which is a faith based position and not evidenced based.
@@redeemedone8553 I believe that you're a troll.
shonkee
Yes
Damn matt, self reflection and progress to being a better person; I'm still waiting for u to do something I hate because I think you're my hero
Lmao "you've spent 20 years peddling nonsense" hahaha Otangelo is hilarious...ly... dumb.
I am right because I said so.
Did Otangelo ever meet other people with other faiths? That would be interesting.
It would make no difference, as he would just preach to them and not listen to the replies.
He did, his response was basically "I am right because my interpretation said so, now believe me or burn in hell".
It was a conversation he had with another christian in his channel.
Sometimes I appreciate that Jamie holds onto calls but my goodness Jamie is annoyingly patient here. Otangelo got on, misrepresented Matt, was explained to how he is wrong, and continued to misrepresent Matt. Yet, instead of going to the next caller who might have something more interesting to address, Jamie held onto this pointless call for a distressingly long time. I can feel my grey hairs sprouting...
@Nicolas Broszky didn't they apologise for misrepresentating rationality rules and gave him back his membership
@@nemeemfaizi1427
Only after a massive and sustained backlash.
Even then, it wasn't so much a, "We're sorry we made a mistake," but much more of a, "We're sorry you got so butthurt about us being right," kind of apology.
For my part, I'm satisfied things have been resolved now, but the whole disaster was handled incredibly poorly by The ACA and caused a lot of people to lose a lot of respect for them.
Even now, large portions of the community are still at each others' throats over the issue.
@Nicolas Broszky I just think that he's a mellow little prick that would cry mama if somebody slapped him. I hate these Mr goodie 2 shoes characters.
Not to say that Matt isn’t normally very clear and concise, but Matt in “super-chill” mode is very _very_ clear.
Otangelo's method for determining relative likelihood appears to be intuition- how plausible it feels to him on a gut level. But an atheist can just as easily find the concept of a God to be so counter-intuitive as to be "nonsensical", and some do. So this method doesn't get us anywhere.
I know Otangelo from FB groups. There his schitck used to be to grab on to snippets of sentences or words you say and copy paste links from his website, often only tangentially related. Matt had the right idea.
@@cafeeineaddicted8123 He does this in the comment sections of these videos as well, now as "Intelligent Design Academy."
@@amtlpaul That's an ironic username to be sure, as his own existence is the anti-thesis to potentially “intelligent” design.
"The proposition that there is no god is nonsense". Wow, we apparently still have a long way to go.
Yeah - this makes *_HOW MANY_* times that Oboobalo has called an ACA show?
Five? Six? More?
If he's *_still_* trying to insist that the hosts claim 'there is no God,' then what further proof could possibly be needed that he's not listening to a single word they say?
Jamie's reactions were great
Otangelo Strikes Again
"Strikes?"
That wasn't much of a strike.
More of a flop.
someone has been memorizing deepak chopra videos it seems...
Otangelo is a prime example of what indoctrination does to the mind.
Otangelo. The G-Man of Brazil.
O’Tangelo sounds like a the name of an orange Irish fruit. An “O’tangelo Tree” you’d pluck it from.
Actually his name is a combination of 2 words: "Otário" (sucker in Portuguese ) and "Ângelo", a common Portuguese name.
To the tune of O Canada 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Without having witnessed the earlier call, I would extrapolate (weak evidence, but more than none) that Eric called Otangelo a liar because Otangelo said a lie.
@@intelligentdesignacademy3460 - You sound desperate, but NO ONE intelligent is going to 'buy' into your bullshit, because all your points are nonsense. There is ZERO evidence for any God, otherwise this argument (or Atheism) should NOT have even existed at all.
That the Universe had a beginning or cause does NOT prove that was with any intent or purpose ... just like many natural causes (like a hurricane) without intent or purpose.
The laws of nature are 'descriptive' & NOT 'prescriptive' laws that require any agency. That is a typically dishonest Christian argument - an "equivocation fallacy" .
All the rest that you have posted are NOTHING MORE than 'God of the gaps' argument from ignorance fallacies - the same that were used to posit God/s for 'lightning' (and other natural phenomena) just a few hundred years ago, before science discovered their natural causes. We have not reached the pinnacle of science today to have all the answers, but we will get there eventually - like previous Gods were flushed down.
All immaterial minds, intelligence, conscience etc., can ONLY come from a material (brain) & an immaterial mind cannot create matter without having/using material means - it has NEVER EVER been demonstrated. Another typical Christian LIE exposed.
Every major aspect of the Bible has been scientifically & historically been exposed as obvious LIES - Genesis, Noah's flood, Exodus, Jesus' resurrection etc, etc., etc.
All the so called "personal experiences" are nothing more than LIES. The James Randi Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge was never ever successfully overcome by more than 1000 people who tried & FAILED in over 50 years (1964-2015).
And just the common wind & food pipe in humans that kills over 150,000 people every year worldwide due to choking, disproves any Intelligent Design.
Look I swear not all Brazilians are like that. Sorry. In name of my country. Bye
He emigrated to Brazil. He’s not on you. Bolsonaro however...
@@andyrihn1 Don't even tell me abt that one... I get stressed just thinking abt him.
@@nah4073 girl, don't get me started. I was deeply disappointed but not surprised he was elected.
Brazil was not like that before ultra-right nazi (bots) started mass shit posting on social media that enabled the other nazi idiots.
Anyways to be really honest. I'm glad I left Brazil, I have never looked back, the religious amd general social intolerance has transformed Brazil into something else in the last 10 years. Thanks to "bancada evangelica" fuck them
@@andyrihn1 *immigrated
@@WhoThisMonkey You emigrate to or from a place. You immigrate into a place. Emigrate to Brazil, immigrate into Brazil. Emigrate is interchangeable with “leave”. Immigrate is interchangeable with “enter”. He left to Brazil.
As a Brazilian Otangelo embarrasses me. I really wonder if he is Brazilian, his accent is definitely not a native.
Daniel Lima that’s what I thought also. His prononciation of his T’a and the lack of the native Portuguese inflections is what I keyed in on. Middle Eastern perhaps.
no true Brazilian!
He isn’t from Brazil. He emigrated
He is a swiss evangelical Christian living in Brazil
Otangelo came by the ACA discord, but still seemed unable to do more than copy-pasta his Dogma, and seemed unable to provide an actual conversation. At least he is consistent.
I can confirm he likes to copy and paste a lot, especially from ChatGPT 😁
Well done Matt 👍
Calm Matt is even more effective!!
You’ve got to love it. Otangelo once again buckled and broken after less than 30 seconds. Next!
The copy and paste skills of this guy are far more impressive than any intellectual skills this person claims to possess.
monkchips you could even say “god level” copy and paste skills.
@@benwhitnell proof of god. We have found it!
@@Pinko-Diamond and that is?
This guy did not stop talking for more than 3 seconds. Literally
That's the kind of people who voted for Bolsonaro and would vote for Trump if they were americans. Search how bad the situation is nowadays in Brazil and take your conclusions.
@@intelligentdesignacademy3460
Nome com probabilidade de ser uma variante da combinação de Otávio+Ângelo, ligando aparentemente do Brasil e com o clássico sotaque de "estou tentando falar inglês perfeito" comum em brasileiros, acho complicado acreditar que ou vc não é daqui ou não passou tempo consideravelmente grande pra ser, para todos os fins não legais, um brasileiro. Acho q no mínimo vai entender o suficiente pra responder...
@@intelligentdesignacademy3460 ótimo poder falar português então kkkkkkk
Então a pergunta é: respondendo em uma linha, pq DI? Se vc descobrir que DI está errado quais seriam as consequências pra sua visão de mundo? (A segunda é pra saber seu nível de envolvimento sentimental com a assertiva, mas evite parede de texto por gentileza)
@@intelligentdesignacademy3460 e pq DI? (Novamente, em poucas linhas). Existem como opções muitas outras visões, como o criacionismo puro, a aceitação da evolução como o "método divino" com nosso diferencial sendo a alma e não o corpo como "imagem de Deus". Pq ficar numa posição que se estruturou deliberadamente de forma e por motivos desonestos como o DI?
Just my 2 cents I wouldn't continue to converse with a caller who gets so frustrated with the interruptions when it's to gain further understanding and classification purposes especially if they talk through the entire time they were on hold this is a sign they just come on to preach what they believe and to make assertions, I mean I get what matt promised/wagered and that this isn't axp but ijs
The gesture at 11:58 is very appropriate
Otangelo has the intelligence of a tangelo.
My definition of faith: It’s what convinces callers to this show that they can prove the existence of god using the same tired arguments people have advanced for centuries.
I'm just curious to know why Ontangelo keeps on with the same topic and hasn't understood that his epistemology is beyond flawed. He fails consistently.
Ontangelo, you have to seriously learn epistemology and methods of understanding facts.
Seriously. It was tedious to listen to that.
@@arthousefilms I would also add a border line aneurism. LOL!
This guy is like Ernest P. Worrell:
He never knew when to quit!
Otangelo calls in and goes through 20 minutes of deprograming then runs off to Sunday school and they wash every bit of reason away from his mind.
His problem, that he won't openly admit, is a failure to accept criticism at any point in his argument. As if married to the ideas he holds, regardless of any sound and valid points against them.
It's like talking to an AI that was told to never respond directly to anything and always just keep saying the same thing no matter what.
Matt parodies "O Canada" here.
That was a delightful surprise!
O tangeloooo ...
Someone bring back Hamish. Fast fast fast.
The key to Otangelos failure is in that question. When we have competing hypotheses do we have to accept one?
Otangelos answer: No, but yes.
Critical thinking answer : no, we can reject any hypothesis if it fails its burden of proof.
Sometimes, I like to torture myself, and listen to one of Otangelo's inane calls.
I have notice that these two host don't line up together. Not only on this video but in several videos that they appear together. Matt you have a strong will. I would have hang on this orange or or lemon or whatever he is. Oh Tangelo... lol!!!
I’ll pay the 20$ to redo this call and allow Matt to act as he would normally 🤦🏼♂️
I came for the title and stayed for the bet
I lied. 3 minutes later he's talking about DNA being a code. Bye.
"Ohhhh TAAAAANGELOOOOOOO".ROFL, oh that slays me.
Otangelo sounds like the fighter from the Key and Peele UFC sketch.
You need to scrutinize your scrutiny too.
P.S. should probably also learn what it means.
Otangelo makes even less sense when you let him try to type his responses, hard as that may be to imagine.
I would love to hear a call between Otangelo and Darth Dawkins
They run in the same discord servers, on the same team. Look up tom rabbit’s channel where darth kicks otangelo from his server for not bowing to darths demands.
When I get to talk to these people, I will ask them of if there is a ball in a box, and two guys are asked what the color of the ball is, one says green the other says blue. Just because the guy who says blue is wrong, does it automatically make the guy who says green right?
I like it.
10:00 lol. Nice Canadian anthem.
I thought the bar was set so low nothing could possibly go below it. Damn, was I wrong!
Matt is gettimg so sick and tired of hearing the same crap. He's starting to become very impatient and rightfully so.
@@reasonandsciencecatsboardcomhe is tired of people calling in with "proof" and it turning into a story about their lives or a misunderstanding of science.
Ontangelo aka 'copy & paste' on facebook pages.
Otangelo is a Darth Dawkins minion
Matt is getting cranky af the more he ages 😆
We all do; especially the smart ones.
God of the gaps argument. We didn't know the cause of lightning so this was proof of God until we found the cause as natural. That's his argument.
@@intelligentdesignacademy3460 1) Again, "I don't see how else everything could have originated" is a textbook argument from ignorance; 2) If it is possible to have one uncaused thing, why not more than one 3) The problem of eternal regress, if it is an actual problem with anything any than our minds, is not resolved by having one thing existing for an infinite amount of time for no reason rather than having an infinite number of things existing over an eternal span of time. If we think of time as linear, it going back (and forever) forever makes no sense to us.
@@intelligentdesignacademy3460
1. Something cannot come into existence from absolutely nothing.
And? I don't remember any scientific publication ever even proposing that. Sounds awfully straw like.
2. The universe had a beginning, therefore, it had a cause.
Shouldn't think of it as a beginning, just an end of our understanding of what's happening. Any conclusive statements you make like that, you're just talking out of your arse. For THE DATA IS NOT SUFFICIENT.
3. The present moment cannot be reached by adding individual events together from eternity.
"From eternity" isn't a point from which you can start adding events. That's like saying eternity can't be reached from the present moment. That's just commentary on the nature of infinities, not an argument.
4. The second law of thermodynamics refutes the hypothesis of an eternal universe.
It doesn't. How is decreasing entropy required from an eternal universe?
5. Therefore an eternal & necessary first cause is the best explanation of our existence.
See above. That doesn't follow.
6. An agent endowed with free will can have a determination in a timeless dimension to operate causally at a (first) moment of time and thereby to produce a temporally first effect.
Timeless and causality don't go well together for the latter requires time. How exactly does that work and what made you reach that conclusion?
.....I'm not even going to bother with the rest of that copy pasta when the start is this shaky. Untrue statements disguised as facts, pointless points and conclusions made on inconclusive data and that's just the first 6.
"You, sir, are an idiot."...... LMAO😄😄😄
Otangelo is rude, condescending and arrogant. He doesn't listen, he doesn't answerany questions, he just proclaims he is right and everybody else is wrong.
Hilarious to me that co-hosts let Matt speak to them like that.
“Stop stop stop.”
No, you’re not my dad dude.
If life on earth requires a creator, what created the creator?
According to Genesis chapter one, there is a "firmament" called Heaven.
We are told that there are lights in the firmament, namely the sun and the moon.
We are also told that there are waters above and below the firmament.
In chapter 7 we are told that there are windows in the firmament.
Is Otangelo a common name in Brazil?
It's very unusual from what I know about them
No.
i live in brazil and i know plenty of people who argue just like that.
Essa cara nao soa Brasileiro.
Don`t cry for me Otangelo ......
Otangelo, I realize that you’re at a language disadvantage but your proof of god is merely your own faith.
Faith does not beget truth.
If you want to be stupid, that’s fine with me...
and I think anyone else who seeks knowledge and truth.
I like calm Matt. Someone bring him back.
Hi , everyone ! Could any of you help me with one question ? Consider a person who had desappeared a long time ago and his/her body was never found , so although we all consider he/she as being dead , we can't know it for sure . Let's say , for example , Jimmy Hoffa . Would I be right in saying '' I don't believe Jimmy Hoffa is alive because I don't have any evidence that he is alive and I also don't believe he is dead because I don't have any evidence that he is dead'' ? Would that be logically sound ? In any situation like this , where we have only two possible hypothesis and both are mutually exclusive , wouldn't be saying that I don't believe in one of them automatically equal to saying I believe in the other and vice-versa ? Thank you .
Matt cut Jamie off a number of times. It is reasonable to infer from Jamie's body language that he was frustrated by Matt. I know I would have been frustrated if I was in his position. It seems that the frustration was exacerbated by Otangelo's inability to communicate. Toward the end, Matt and Jamie came into a better harmony. Overall this was a very painful call to watch.
More like Jamie is always trying to cut in when Matt is having a heated debate with a caller.
@@reasonandsciencecatsboardcom The thing is, your reasoning is the same as it ever was, and also you tend to charge ahead down the rabbit hole unless stopped. I honestly think they should not be taking your calls at all, if you're going to do that, because I actually agree that constant interruptions don't make for a good conversation. But when you are on the line we can forget about having a good discussion in any case.
@@reasonandsciencecatsboardcom The hosts would be more than happy to allow you to finish speaking if you stop resorting to insults. If what you have to say is true, then it will hold up against their criticisms. The reason the goal post keeps being moved is because these guys are intellectually 10 steps ahead of where you are. I don't say that to be rude, but from where I'm sitting that looks to be a fact. So when you make it one step, they're already moving on to the next step because they've been over it thousands of times. It's literally their job. You underestimate them, and in so doing you embarrass yourself.
Comedy gold
Doesn't Matt have his own show?
That 20bucks should have included interruptions.
What these fanatical apologists just do not understand is that even if one were to attribute a supernatural cause to abiogenesis, it would be completely abstract. None of the existing religions could derive anything in their favor. They would still be fictitious constructs. On the contrary, one would have to develop a fundamentally new abstract world religion. as in Godel's "Proof of God," which no mathematician takes seriously. Otherwise we would already have the world religion of mathematicians. 😇
@@intelligentdesignacademy3460 Again, this argument hinges on an equivocation between different meanings of the word 'universe'- that alone makes the argument unconvincing.
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We kind of know how life began, just not the recepie. In all the multiverses 1 of them had to support life
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Lol otangelo meets a juggernaut he ain't ready ready for matt
Could you imagine how funny it would be if Otangelo tried to pull this BS as a witness in a court of law? He would immediately lose all credibility and get dismissed for intellectual incompetence.
He must get his science facts from tucker Carlson
Have anyone heard "catholic answers"? Funny that i cant comment on their videos.. I tried watching 2 videos but couldnt get through them..
Religious belief can only exist beneath a certain threshold of knowledge.
Orange tangel-OH NO