Are There Transitional Bones? | Dave - Missouri | Talk Heathen 03.24
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- Talk Heathen 03.24 for June 16, 2019 with Eric Murphy & Jenna Belk.
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Dave: "I don't have a script in front of me" Also Dave: *shuffles papers to find script*
That was so funny! XD
Dave is a liar
For those wondering where the time stamp for the papers is: 21:30
I did chuckle :), thank you Jay.
@@5driedgrams maybe not, maybe he has very loud toilet paper 😉
@@ericscaillet2232 Same thing, when you think about it.
This guy shares a common ancestor with a brick wall
Sure he isnt related to pigs?
Well, considering Christians think the first man was made from mud . . .
those ancient one bricks, made of manure!
Hilarious
Eric is waaaay to nice to these people.
Yeah, his momma never taught him not to play with his food. He's enjoying it waaaaayyy too much XD I like it though. Fun > manners :)
I work with an " ERIC " at work. He's not as mouthy sarcastic as AE ERIC, but he's close.
@@mybuisness5561 we are multiplying....be aware, this world must be one big Eric, it is written in the Eric book, the half a bee was just a warm up 😂
I appreciate Eric’s way of dealing with people.
Eric is a decent human being who knows the art of respect and conversation ... as opposed to the emotionally immature Matt, who is a narcissistic bully throwing a tempter tantrum at anyone who disagrees with him. I'm convinced that Matt was never disciplined as a child, and consequently grew into a brat. X
He says, "If I came across as arrogant and condescending." IF?
He gets credit for at least acknowledging it and apologizing for it without prompting. Shows he can change, which is the most important part. :)
@@Baes_Theorem *IF* isn't an acknowledgement.
He said if because maybe in his mind he wasn’t being arrogant. I may not think I’m being arrogant when speaking to someone and they think I am. There’s no way to know for sure if someone really is being arrogant. Neither of you are right or wrong. What’s arrogant to you may not be to someone else.
19:57 - “I’m not going from a scrip. I have no paperwork in front of me”
21:34 - *clear sounds of rustling papers when asked to get to the point*
Warning: Do not hire Dave to defend you in court.
Under the conditions Dave agreed to, he shouldn't be allowed to be a witness either.
Has he met his deity? No
Has he directly interacted with his deity? No
It's hearsay, throw it out of court
The more arrogant they are the more spectacularly they fail.
What is remarkable is the PhD's that believe in the invisible man.
Education, knowledge and critical thinking does not guarantee immunity to the religion virus.
He didn't become a jackass, he's been one his entire life
So in other words, he was born that way, he didn't have to work at it.
His bones are transitional human/jackass. If someone digs him up in the future they will get a Nobel Prize.
"Here comes the mechanic,
Oh God! How much?
400 bucks you piece of slime
you smell and you suck!
*Your father was a jackal,*
*you mom's his sister bitch*
I got a car full of pain!"
-- The ARROGANT WORMS, "Car Full of Pain"
All my life I hardly noticed the presence of religion, I always saw it as more of a cultural thing than actual facts to live by, so I really don't understand how these people can take religion seriously and as seriously as I see it on these types of shows. It's good to see you guys do the best you can to improve the rationality of the human society as a whole. Cheers from Portugal!
doesn't Portugal have giant cathedrals, I take it you don't understand how they could be bothered building such a serious gigantic monument.
Crazy shit makes people do crazy shit.
@@MrWeedWacky there is indeed a big Christian culture in Portugal but I live on the capital and here it's more cultural than anything. You notice more religiosity either from older people or from more secluded places like small towns and villages. I wouldn't say it's a matter of crazyness but more of knowledge, education and upbringing.
@@BernardoSLino the more you watch this channel and Atheist Experience, you start seeing christians as crazy.
I have seen people bend over backwards to defend slavery, even black African Americans most likely descended from slaves.
I have seen people go batshit aggressive when confronted with the systemic pedophelia, claiming children are to blame themselves.
Heck here is an example of a French Catholic Priest - claiming children are to blame for pedohile priests...
www.newsweek.com/french-priest-says-catholic-churchs-child-abuse-victims-were-seeking-1367496
What I mean about crazy - is that people force themselves to ignore the real horrors they enable by loosely proclaiming their support towards a religion.
in Denmark when you are born you are automatically registerred as a Christian, automatically pay taxes to the church unless you manually choose to leave, so many people in Denmark, don't even believe in god at all, yet still pay taxes to a church that spends that money on covering up child abuse.
@@MrWeedWacky I do get what you're saying and am indeed inclined to agree with you. We will just have to carry on with our lives and try to make this world a better place, hopefully with religion becoming nothing more than a cultural influence if anything.
@@MrWeedWacky Btw, I literally just apllied for a job in Denmark a couple of days ago lol so I now I know something I have to do regarding my taxes if I end up living there. Thank you for that MrWeedWacky
Gawd he's insufferable to listen to 😭
Tori Calhoun Should’ve asked him why he doesn’t believe in Ra or Horus
Which one?
One of the things that Matt dillahunty is good at is moving the conversation forward very quickly without the bullshit. First 10 mins of this conversation is spent talking about what exactly? Talking about how to talk lol!!
Yes indeed Jack. Ten minutes at least wasted on waffling bullshit that in effect got nowhere at all.
Eric kinda needs to realise he has a lot to learn still. He isn't Dillahunty. He can't just chop them off with something as Matt is able to do.
Eric really needs to keep them more on point and not sit there gleefully while they ramble on saying fuck all at some considerable length.
Any obvious bullshit, dishonesty or errors should be jumped on and addressed right away.
@@davydtaylor4151 I agree, but some of those with weaker constitution is complaining on Reddit how Matt's style is too harsh, as if idiots needs to be coddled. But then again, most of those that complain are blue-haired morons.
so is the host who compared to Dillahunty is a mouse..
I think Jenna's question was a great one"do you want to know what we think about anything?" His answer should have been no. So many people act like they want a conversation when they really just want to brow beat someone
"A Jew, a Muslim and Christian walked into a Court Room ...." ... yup this is going to be bad.
Sounds like a joke. Yep it was a joke!
"A Jew, a Muslim, a Christian and an Atheist walked into a Court Room ...." ... yup this is going to be really bad.
@@JamesRichardWiley A Jew, a Muslim, and a Christian walked into a bar.
The atheist ducked. His eyes were open.
🤕🤕🤕 🙄
@@JamesRichardWiley it's "bad" because they're all the same god, trying to disprove that you should worship the Jewish or Muslim god in favor of the christian god makes no damn sense
even if they were to disprove the Muslim or Jewish god, all it'd do for Christianity is kill the religion
as it makes Jesus out to be a liar
@@death299 Yeah I was wondering... isn't half of the jewish scriptures also the story of the muslims?
I dont always need Matt, but sometimes we could use a bit of his stop the bs
I like how Matt immediately goes for the throat
This vid would have been 5 minutes long. lol
@@jimperry4108 maybe 3
" I'm not reading from script" - sounds of papers rustling. LMFAO
Discrediting other religions or evolution does not make any difference to the truth proposition of Christianity. That was half of his argument right there.
Just HOW the fuck does any of that make a god more unlikely? Which god? What IS a god, and how do you know? It no more makes a deity any less OR more likely. It has zero bearing on the question of a deity actually existing.
That is obviously, patently, clearly a load of old bollocks.Have you only just started watching these and thinking, or have you not been listening at all LordKell?
Eric Murphy has an incredible amount of patience.
Oh shit... that might be one of the most disappointing conversations of all time. Dave, if you're reading... prophecy is such a weak argument. Grow up, man!!
@LordKellthe1st Yeah he really dragged it out.
Otangelo? Tough choice. Two disingenuous dickfor.
@@nickokona6849 Otangelo was for sure worse.
Bob Joe agreed. This guy was just normal bad, like the callers from back in the mid 2000s that wanted to know why we ate babies. Otangelo. Almost makes that guy from NJ (Rick, I think) look like he graduated high school.
I predict there will be an earthquake. Now that it is written in text, when it happens you must all consider me a prophet.
No paperwork In front of him....
Paper shuffling....
21:30
@@ardiberen as a audiophile, the probability of static at that specific moment when he has to respond is highly improbable, besides that it sounded more like a papers rustle than static through a shitty phone and or reception.😒, nevertheless only he knows what deception he was up to ,or not.
@@ardiberen That was not static, that was papers rustling. He stopped talking for a moment because he had to turn the page to continue his argument.
That caller is a “grown man”! A grown adult man. That’s depressing.
Dave,go get a real education,and learn to listen.
And he was being condescending, but that's my experience with "christians". He also loves the sound of his own voice.
He thinks his voice is the voice of god.
@@richiejohnson More like he thinks the voice of god sounds like him....
or Morgan Freeman
Yup. Testimonial evidence gave us electricity, flight, television and cellphones.
Only if the leprechaun agrees that the scientific method is the best method.
@Yeah i Said it please please tell us more!
This was painful 🤦♀️
ahhh, that is so perfect. him insisting that he is 100% totally not reading a script because he definitely doesn't have any paper in front of him (which is a strangely specific thing to say),
then comes the LOUD paper rustling at 21:34 and the laughter from the background. Pure comedy gold, i love it!
Dave is a shining example of the American education system.
Yea fuck off I'm not this stupid lol
Did he ask if bones came with instructions? So how would you know their transitional? Dishonest and arrogant
*they're
@@TheNomad94 don'te understand if there was a point
@@jonwood6101
It was a gentle spelling correction.
@@stickiedmin6508 yes , you're correct i missed it, thank you.
@@TheNomad94 Fuck off, asshole
Dave is a "BONEHEAD!"
Ha! Very loudly.
Jenna's opening question was PERFECT!!!! "Do you want to know what we think about anything?"
Ignorance exposed at its fullest. Thank you Dave.
Respect Eric and Jenna. You calmed things down and managed to get a conversation
Dave is doing the Chewbacca Defense... So hilarious.
All species are either transitional or terminal. The conversation is thus rendered stupid.
Ah, nice. I often have said every fossil, as is every living thing, is transitional. Your statement adds several degrees of accuracy with "or terminal". I thank you for helping me make my model of reality more accurate, dependable, and trustworthy.
The trouble with anti-evolutionists is that they seem to think that a) something "turns into" something else and b) evolution has an end goal in sight. I often ask these mentally-challenged individuals if their parents turned into them. After a few false starts, they usually skip over this and change tack.
Show them a transitional fossil C between species A and species B, they then demand that you show them the transitional fossils between A and C and C and D. You can never win.
What does terminal fossil mean? I looked up and i found 'terminal taxa', but its in too sciency language, along with clades and the evolutionary tree
Lapse that would be the fossilized remains of a species that has gone extinct. There will be no more descendants from that species.
That evolutionary experiment is terminated.
Exactly. My son doesn't look exactly like my dad. If there were no transitional life forms, then everyone would look exactly the same and would all have the same DNA.
When Dave asked if they agreed that a Bible exists in the world, I wish they would have asked him, "Which one?" Then when he mentioned that his Bible has 66 books, they could explain that other versions such as the Catholic Bible, and Ethiopian Orthodox Bibles have more than 66. The next step would be to figure out which one is the correct version....
A quarter of the bible is prophecy, but funnily enough there is no evidence for any of this, Dillihunty would have crucified him, if you excuse the pun lol
A quarter of the bible was written as prophecy, and the rest of the bible was written to make it look like many of those prophecies came true.
And Prophecy conveniently leaves out names and dates.
So what good is it.
A book written 50 years after the events said those events would happen. Obviously proof of the divine.
dear dave, you will eventually drink water in the future, and consume food for nutrients.
you also had a mother and father. now that i've told you this, worship me mere mortal, for i have prophesied truly which is evidence that i am GOD!
Eric, i think you handled him very well throughout the entire video. You were respectful and honest, leaving no room for quick quips or arrogance to rise up to poison the conversation. Vitriol is enjoyable but honest discussion is really important
My favorite prophecy is Ezekiel's for the destruction of Tyre, where it will be completely torn down by Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon and never rebuilt.
It remained unconquered until Alexander the Great and it's still there.
"If im too arrogant and condescending.." literally proceeds to insult them again on how they collect information
Dave, do more research. Prophecy is not a valid argument.
Especially when most of those "prophecies" come true later in the same book. That's not prophecy, that's called foreshadowing.
*Not valid argument?* How would you know? If you have READ book of Revelation, then you would know the Bible gives very specific events that will come. I'm NOT talking about earthquakes, famine, etc. but the end times begin with 1) The temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem (third one). 2) Animal sacrifices will restart again in the Temple 3) A world leader will STOP animal sacrifices and declare himself the messiah (abomination of desolation) . 4) Two prophets from Jerusalem will start world wide tribulations.
@@yhenry77 Cool. Let's see what happens.
@@yhenry77 What about the failed prophesies in the bible? The ones that gave a time scale and never occurred?
@@yhenry77 the problem I have with this is someone can see this and have a script on what to do to "fulfill the prophecy"
If the prophecy gave specific dates/times/names ECT...... That may be better, but it still opens up to someone just reading it and saying, my name is that, let's do what the book says.
"There are no transitional forms." (Caller ignores the penguin in the middle of the room.)
It's kinda hard to call something prophecy when it's written after the fact, or when people are working to fulfill things in the book.
All that to get prophecy? Seriously? Come on man
Right? What a jerkoff.
We have no idea where he was ultimately headed because they hung up. Too many interruptions on this one.
@@charlidog2 They can't just let him talk and talk without interrupting him cause he kept saying irrelevant BS ... His arrogant attitude didn't help either.
Yep...all this for the prophecy clause,grrr.😒
@@charlidog2 We know where he was headed--he said so. Prophesy. We have heard these arguments many times before and these arguments have always been destroyed. No reason to continue with such an arrogant fool. Eric was correct---end the conversation.
"Did these bones come with a manual?" LMFAO 😆😂😆😂 holy shit that's hilarious
"Do you want to know what we think about anything?" Oh, Jenna, I love you. That was just brilliant.
Between two bones there's usually a cigarette.
Ohhhh so THATS what Dunning Kruger is!
I absolutely love how he walked himself right into this… lol 😂
Dave - This other religion over here that I don't believe in is full of hearsay and nothing else!
Also Dave - Now let me present my hearsay into evidence!
Man, that was such a long winded heap of nothing! Can you imagine my shock?
Couldn’t get through 3 minutes. The lack of education in this guy is astounding.
I think it was a great call. Eric pointed out we have abstract concepts and that made me wonder about a lot of theistic arguments that say things like we can't have knowledge without god or there is no love without god and we can't have math without god. They're basically saying: we have material and abstract tools and I'm too stupid to understand they're a logical result of a mind trying to understand and use the world around it to survive and improve, therefore brainfart.
Isn't that why we watch. Hysterical!
So much buildup and he brings up prophecy
lol It's the only evidence they have for the bible being true. It's shit evidence and it proves that the bible is unreliable at best and just a book filled with awful inhumane horseshit at worst. I think it's kind of cute that all the evidence that theists provide debunks their position. It's sad that they're not 9 years old anymore though. At that age I can understand they'd use such arguments and expect to be taken seriously.
I wonder if Dave knows that 15 major Christian denominations do not accept the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity.
My book says that X would happen, and it also says that X happened. There you go! 🙄
lol “that’s very dismissive, Dave”
He’s so polite with this condescending ass.
If he wanted to do court metaphor, I was into it too. Eric called out relevance. Proper move.
“Okay. Logic is fine. I like logic. Okay.”😂
lol My favorite parts of this shit were:
Dave: "All Mohammad is going to do is shake the Quran at you."
Dave two minutes later: "Is the Bible specific enough for you?"
This man discounts every others religious claims and every other religious scripture. But somehow his chosen old books are correct. He also does not understand was evidence is.
Its Dave! Lets grab a bag of popcorn….go ahead Dave😁
all forms are transitional, we have science to test the bones to know. wow this guy is something
Every prophecy in the bible has come true except for 50 of them. :D
That made me laugh too
Cherry picking at their finest
I absolutely love the point you made about sending someone information to check out without first checking it out themselves. Tons of people recommended the Bible and I read it cover to cover, that’s how I became atheist, yet most of them barely touched a single page
Great Job, Fielding that aggressive call. Great video.
2:58 Archaeological evidence? Did someone dig up god, and forget to tell me?
People keep forgetting that archaeologists dug up the remnants of the Troy of the Illyad, a war that was heavy on gods running around blessing heroes and the like. I mean the god of the bible was great and all but he's big on the "buff on the sidelines". Greek gods were very meddlesome and would show up whenever it suited them, and sometimes they would even fight and change the tide of a battle.
Yea. They found Osiris giant golden penis. Sounds like proof of gods to me 😉
It becomes practically guaranteed that an argument is going to be crap when the claimant feels the need for soooo much set-up!
Lol....Thanks Dave! Another one bites the dust......Next :)
Dave understands court as well as he understands reason.
I predict that there will be wars and rumours of war.
So if that comes true then I'm clearly from the future.
You pretty much need a lvl 100 Rick and Morty IQ to understand Dave's super logic...
The insane (clinically insane) assumptive nature when a religious person says “if you research you’ll find the truth” never ceases to amaze me.
Poor Dave is caught in that "I just can't see how it could be this way, therefore it must be this" mind-trap
there are transitional bones, including the ones that form this caller's skull...
the future of homo sapiens will evolve with more resilience to physical trauma due to increased skull density from this guy's bloodline
That was almost as disappointing as the ending to Game of Thrones...all that build -up for the prophecy argument
"how do we know fire used to be hot in the past, did anyone write down the temperature of fire back then?"
Good Omens is great. Loved it.
Yet another god-believer, accusing _us_ of ignoring evidence.. sigh...
ps (edit): On prophecies: One of the most amazing prophecies in the book, is when it says that _"there will be wars"_ . (according to the many believers who count it as such, anyway)
There will be wars and, what else does it say.
@@mybuisness5561 and famine and decease etc. All stuff that has always been happening, and yet god-believers often count those as amazing _'prophecies'_ too (confirmation bias to the max, mixed with plain silliness)
@@BorisNoiseChannel If you don't like it you change it .
@@mybuisness5561 If I don't like, I should change _what_ exactly? And what the bleep does me liking whatever or not, got to do with the silliness of counting obvious shit, as _'prophecies'_ by the grossly mistaken?
Or do you mean I should (try and) make them realize how silly it is to call _"there will be wars'_ a prophecy, and make a change that way? (cause I don't think you'd mean that I should (try and) change _the bible)_
I'm sorry, but it's (almost?) impossible to reason people out of beliefs they didn't arrive at by reason.
(still like to know what me, not liking whatever got to do with anything, though)
@@BorisNoiseChannel If you didn't like whats going on in the world and around you change it. Stop gritchn and do something.
This clown mocks the hosts for basically lacking intelligence to understand his points one moment, then right after when Eric asks him if he understood his spiderman example he says "I can't read your mind!" is this guy serious???
These two are so likeable.
"Hi Dave". That was a Hal 9000 moment.
Why is Dave so threatened by people who say there isn't enough evidence to prove there's a god. He seems very threatened by that.
"An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence". Carl Sagan
Gotta love when someone insists you should research what they're about to bring up, and then bring up something which they clearly haven't researched or they would not have brought it up. The condescending arrogance of ignorance
Bring it Dave bring it
Though I agree it'd be fun to watch Matt roast this guy, I love how Eric handles callers like this. He's very patient but can pull out bad-ass mode when he needs to. He got Dave to show some respect for a while... but ugh, yeah...
All this crap at the start about him wanting to show why he didn't believe Judaism or Islam....is completely irrelevant. We don't need to know why he doesn't believe something else, we just need to know why he believes what he DOES believe.
Also all the stuff about the courtroom....and Eric's totally pointless questions....are just another distraction. It was totally painful to have to listen to....and sure, Eric may have been having fun with it, but no one else was.
The hosts should have cut through all that nonsense and pinned Dave Down on what he DOES believe and WHY, without any of the extraneous drivel.
Dont you have schools in the states or what? Seriously.
We do, but our school system is a) decentralized and b) largely deemphasizes critical thinking, and, outside basic physical and chemical principles, largely seeks to hand down information from authority to memorize. In that respect it’s understandable to see so many Americans develop into adulthood an epistemological skepticism towards authoritarian knowledge bases. Our schools outside university-level education doesn’t teach us why we know what we know about fossils, how they form, how we can have strong certainty about our dating methodologies, and why they present really strong evidence for evolution, or even cladistic organizational systems and why those present even stronger evidence for evolution. But rather they merely tell us there are bones and evolution is true, memorize these facts.
Given that the critical thinking skills people need to think deeply about evidence and epistemology until you get to the university, from which poorer people are precluded, all ordinary people in this country are two authoritarian pronouncements, one which is deeply integrated into morality, history, culture, society, and eschatology, which everyone in your community intrinsically accepts as valid and reinforces in daily conversation and weekly sermon, and one that you only really encounter in the school system, which deeply touches on class divisions, which is atomized and particularised, offers no simple answers, and appears to be in direct conflict with the other epistemological authority. In this respect it’s no surprise why so many in this country have such a deep misunderstanding of evolution and it’s validity.
@@schlaufuchs552 WoW, thank you very much for your detailed and clear response.
Religious morons exist in every country.
"Do you know what separates it?" "What?" Do you know what separates it?"
Good Omens is a fine book, read it in school
great show too
You need to be more intelligent to talk with Dave
There is no end to evolution, every bone is transitional
When Dave was a child he fell off his bike and bumped his head, and now we have this Dave.
Leonard from Big Bang Theory: “I’ve got this”
Also Leonard: “where should I start co-host??”
I thought I was going to hear about 'transitional bones' and all we got was Dave's courtroom for crazy people.
The sad thing is he saw that hangup as a win
Dave.."I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna' ....does fuckall.
Couldn't listed to this guy for long. The Dunning-Kruger is strong with this one.
I just subscribed. This fun to listen too. I knew this guy was going down as soon as he said he could prove God exists.
Objection. Relevance😂😂😂
Erik utilized some great motivational interviewing strategies at the start of this video to try to salvage this conversation; as time goes by, he’ll get better at noticing early on when a conversation is worth salvaging. This guy entered with such a confrontational, bad faith attitude, that nothing constructive was going to be possible in the format they have available to them. It takes a lot more time and face to face interaction. Dave was not willing to accept that Eric or Jenna we’re entering into a conversation in good faith; this was evident throughout the call
Special pleading at its best.
Dave just demonstrates the I’m-a- gigantic-dumbass-fallacy. Good job man.
I have definitive proof...comes up with a fallacious hypothetical. 😂😂😂😂😂
The whole call just to say prophecy 😂😂😂
"Iiii doooon unerstan how we know the bones are the bones they could just be monkey bones bones are bones bones bones just bones I don uderstand"
"It won't take me a couple of minutes to debunk the muslims, it'll only take me about 2 minutes" Do I really need to unpack all the ways this statement is ridiculous?