Ferrari Won Le Mans!! But Does It Even Matter? [S6, E37]
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This week Tony and I discuss:
0:00 - Intro
1:58 - Discussing the UK heatwave
4:18 - Sam's weekend at Le Mans
9:10 - Le Mans new 'hyper car' class & Sam's VIP invitation from Peugeot
16:34 - Discussing driver skill levels & racing classes
19:32 - The effect Ferrari has on racing
21:30 - Porsche might be losing their touch
26:21 - How will Ferrari celebrate their Le Mans win?
27:52 - How will Ferrari's win affect fans of the brand?
30:36 - The difference between the Ferrari & Porsche brands
34:02 - Why do brands participate in motorsport?
35:34 - Where are Toyota fans at Le Mans? And the rising popularity of 'GR'
39:40 - Why are we discussing Le Mans this year?
41:02 - Why drivers are eager to compete in the 'hypercar' class
43:04 - "The overall winners of Le Mans have far more gravitas than class winners"
44:00 - Alpines new 'A290_ß' electric hatchback
44:38 - Ford Mustang darkhorse
45:08 - Porsche Mission X
48:38 - The future of Porsche EVs & why Tony won't buy a Taycan
52:26 - What Tony would buy if he had £2M
54:33 - Back to 'Mission X' & Sam's Sport Classic loan
55:43 - Boxster 25th anniversary edition [not investment advice]
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Of course it matters! It's the most important Ferrari achievement since Schumacher winning streak.
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These idiots again 😂
i guess Raikkonen does not count
@@franciscobaeta2213 no not really it was nice but schumi would have won had he stayed and kimi got a little lucky in the end.
20 bucks says there’s a Tailor Made SP3 with the #51 499P livery cruising around Monaco next year 😂
50 bucks bet it will be delivered before the end of this year...😅
This year Le Mans was fantastic, I hope more people watch because it was amazing
Already more views than 2022 le mans. Oh boy people watching!
Have to agree with Tony, learned that the Mission X was full electric and lost any interest in it immediately...
100%
Absolutely what my reaction was after I found out it was all electric. Such a shame the desigj is spectacular. I thought it'd be hybrid like the 918.
Love the chat, Regarding Le Mans, you should look at doing a pilgrimage where you drive your car (Ferrari/Porsche) to the track and camp out at one of the many closed off camp sites (The piston heads one is good by all accounts, I got on one at the Porsche curves in my VW camper, BBQ all weekend and lots to drink, then just chill and walk around the paddock and soak in the atmosphere, music, cars and the sounds they make! I love motor racing and was drawn to WEC/GT racing as i can recognise my favourite cars and the racing is much closer over a longer period where as i believe F1 has lost a lot of it's soul and excitement of racing - now its all about 'managing my tyres'...
F1 is just high power go karts and most money wins. Its cool but boring as fuck.
Tony's theory about Ferrari's road cars being crap and F1 team doing well and vice versa, was the same theory Jeremy Clarkson used in TopGear back then...
Isn't the Mission X a rebodied RIMAC?
I’m so excited for the future of WEC and Le Mans. While Toyota have been dominant, they were racing against themselves which is always boring. Having different manufacturers is exciting and more will be joining!
The intro with Tony no no no gets me every time
Love the podcast - keep it up guys!!!
I only just caught up with the Jordan Banjo episode, great guest. He needs to return for a part 2!
You are right Tony, Team Frikadelli won the Nurburgring 24 hr race in the 296 GT3 Ferrari.
Not only did they win LeMans, they won the 24 hours of the Nurburgring Nordschleife with the 296 GT3. Why is the important? Those 2 cars share the same engine as the road going 296 (a car that Tony has on order) meaning that the value of those cars instantly goes up! Any time a team is successful with the current technology in their road cars, they will see a price increase.
But all of this goes deeper than that as I have a suspicion that Ferrari are using the 499P to develop their understanding of the hybrid systems that will be very similar to those implemented in F1 in 2026, giving them an instant advantage. Also, their car has aero bits that are directly translatable to F1, again giving them a better understanding.
I think overall its a very smart and big step from Ferrari to go into the Hypercar programme instead of sacking the employees they would have had to in order to meet the current F1 cost caps.
Or maybe Im completely wrong!
Well u have quite some points that i agree strongly. But aero is not so transferable per say. Unless correlation, CFD code experiments and other metrology/methodologies. And engineering people getting more experience outside F1 tight scope there is not so much direct effect on its programme.
In the whole Porsche going electric discussion, remember that they are one of the manufacturers lobbying the German and EU governments for dispensation for synthetic fuels which is more than likely to be granted not least because Ferrari and Lamborghini are doing the same because battery technology will never achieve the sustainable high performance energy density or consistent durability required to compete with ICE's. I understand Tony's point about EV's which stir about as much passion as a disposable domestic appliance.
Good to be at the race with all the bells and whistles
Why have you got a scale model of my Grigio Titanio 360 on your desk. Never noticed it before.
When do you respray it Rosso Corsa?
I love the dynamic! I’ve been watching for a long time and my favorite part is how y’all disagree so much. Makes it very entertaining and fun!
That Boxster 25th anniversary is a bit of a steal at the moment. There are only just over 1200 of them worldwide. My local OPC has one for around £70k. Excellent podcast as ever!
Any news on the live shows coming up this year? One of the dates initially announced before was the 25th June
Waiting for this too!
Great Pod! and What watch is that Sam?
Great pod cast guys. Felt like I was sitting at the table with you. Absolutely Forza Ferrari. It was a fairytale race in so many ways. Tony mentioned Kevin Estre who in my opinion is one of the finest drivers on the planet. 🏎️🏎️🏁🏁😎 Plus...I think the WEC is on relaunch and from this year onwards it's going to be mega...🏁
A 296 won the N24, but it wasn't run by Ferrari themselves. And Ferrari already revealed a limited edition SF90 with WEC livery at the start of Le Mans week
Yyyeess ! I thought it was Wednesday & I can't believe my luck, my favourite CZcams channel just posted. Big love, Kindest regards, Richard U.K
As an American, I need to here Sam’s American accent more😂 always gets me dying laughing!
My thoughts exactly 😂
My American online friends say I have an accent. I just just them that I don’t. They have 😉
I love you Sam but you sound like you are from San Francisco 😉
Tony cuts straight through the hype, his weapon of choice is common sense
The podcast should be called, behind the Ferrari lol
I spent $5 to watch the race and thoroughly enjoyed it. I didn't stay up through the night, but it is definitely something I will be doing from now on!
MoterTread had free coverage for 24hr on TV here in the USA 🇺🇸 I started watching at 8pm and watch it till 2am then toss back on around 10am watch the end here
@James Pugh I ended up watching on my pc. 10am to midnight and the 7am to the finish. It was awesome!
If you thought the racing was good @ LeMans, check out the Rolex 24 @ Daytona, it’s been a flat out sprint race from the top class for years now. The 2024 edition should be great, plus there’s way more night racing since it’s in February.
Awesome video guys. Watch pretty munch half of the race. Big thing guys missed talk about is chevy bringing a chevy camaro Nascar with a hybrid v8 . Also return of Ford next year with GT3 mustang
Is mission X not just a rebodied rimac?
I’m from the US and I have to say your were 110% right on how most Americans pronounce Les Mans 😂 thankfully I was told the right way to say it but “let’s go down there to that there less mans race” is accurate 😂😂
No Laf coupe on the market rn in Switzerland.
However, 3 Apertas: CHF 6m / CHF 6.5m and CHF 6.9m hahaha
Hi Sam and Tony, with regards to Porsches performance at Le Mans I know with the 911’s at least they have been hit with a big Balance Of Performance restriction from the FIA. I’ve got a friend who was racing a 911 in the road to Le Man series and he said the FIA are fully aware of the BOP deficit their receiving and their losing around 15km/h top end speed which down the Mulsane straight is massive.
I don’t think this is the story with the Hypercar but just something to bare in mind as BOP can be implemented across the race weekend.
Great podcast, keep it up!
Very enjoyable as always 👍
Im with Tony, absolutely not excited at all about the new hypercar. Not interested in an EV, because I like cars that engage me in the driving, sound great etc.
Can someone send me the adverts where Boxster 25’s are 60k odd. Every one i have seen are near £80k still and close to Spyder money hence they are being overlooked. Love the car and would have 1 at 60k in an instant.
Sam, the 25th anniversary Boxster is a 4.0 6 cylinder, not a 2.5 4 cylinder.
OMG 29-30 degrees a hot summers day 😂 Try 39-40 degrees in Oz you guys would melt 🤣
Agree on this years Le Mans race being one of the best races. Going back a bit now but, when Nigel Mansell won the F1 Championship & moved over to win the Indy Car Championship back to back. One of the best races I’ve ever seen was Mansell swapping the lead with Paul Tracy backwards and forwards half a dozen times in the last half dozen laps on a one mile oval - spellbinding racing 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I will say that the 24h of Nürburgring is also flat out from the get to, like honestly, you'd think there are just a couple laps left in the race the way these guys drive. Sam, gotta really attend N24 at some point. And due to the track being narrower and having even more classes (and slower cars) the racing and overtaking is super intense when the GT3s have to fight through the field.
Well i mean AO's rexy porsche was leading the GTE class for quite a while during the race. Then iron dames in thier 911 ousted them. Porsche looked really strong in GTE this year at Le mans imo.
But i agree with the lax in the hyper car class
Good luck getting a 25th anniversary Boxster for 67K 😂😂
Think about this:
The last road Ferrari celebrating recent racing success was the 16M, right?
Special editions “LM” incoming.
Can’t wait for Tony to buy his.
edit: … or Shmee… of course he will
The racing at Le Mans was incredible. It was so good, it was almost as though someone had artificially tried to ensure that the cars would perform at similar levels. Genuinely credible motorsport👌👌
These guys represent themselves as motor sport experts and yet they have no clue about what happened in the N24.
N24 has become one of the best races in the world.
Much more humanly engaging without headphones - they do look weird when you wear them
Sam, your "stuck-up" voice actually sounds soothing. I'd listen to an ASMR video of you reading your GT3 user manual in that voice.
Maybe they'll be a 296 celebration model since it's the closest to the 499p power train wise
Guys, the Toyota and Ferraris are LMH class that they make and the Porsche and others are LMdH lemans Daytona hybrids with stock hybrid and chassis they choose from so less bespoke made and lower cost. Porsche has won already this year in IMSA long beach with same car as lemans! But the Toyota and Ferraris are faster out the box and ACO still adjusting BOP so Porsche had problems at lemans but without BOP adjustment Cant fight for outright pace..
THIS !!!!!!!!!! Finally someone said it.
Laf values has prob gone up recently due to needing one in your garage to be considered for the new replacement
A couple of hairdressers with no hair, had me laughing 😅
Cmon guy of course it does!
It’s important for fhe lineage of the brand end of course to sell more cars too
Remember that in the 499p there is the same engine of the 296 ( more or less)
Tony once again blagging it through another podcast lol
As someone who’s never watched or particularly been interested in Le Mans until last week, I have to say… this new class and the participation of Ferrari has made me an instant fan of it. Probably half the reasoning was because of the the film, and second because of the actual race, and feels way more epic than an F1 race. F1 need to learn from Endurance racing, I.e. less restrictions, drastically different takes on each car.
Le Mans was much nicer watching it at home than actually going. I've been about 14 times, BTW, but for me the fun really went out of it about 20 years ago.
Sam, just wanted to say, if you thought LeMans racing was insane....you should REALLY go to the Nurgburg 24 next year. That's even more crazy. The N24 is far superior as a race when compared to LeMans 24 in my opinion.
Porsche just started with this new car now and they are driving in the LMDh (Le Mans Daytona h) class which participates in the LMH (Le Mans Hypercar). LMH races since 2021 with that Rulebook, LMDh started in 2023. What this also means that they are forced to buy a chassis from a manufacturer and just tune it with their Bodywork and Drivetrain. Cars from the LMH class are build by the manufacturer itself. LMDh chooses between Oreca, Dallara or Multimatic and that is it. Cadillac, Acura and Porsche (next year Alpine) drive in this Spec-Class, Toyota, Ferrari and Peugeot in the LMH class. Due to this years BOP the LMH cars had a advantage which made them in average faster. Besides of that LMH cars have more room for development between the seasons as they can build their cars like they want. LMDh not. They can just work within the given borders. - Cadillac was the best from the LMDh field this year, but they also have the experience from more seasons running a similar car in the so called DPI 2.0 Series before. So Porsche was the only team completely new in the Game. For that fact it was already astonishing that they eve won a race that season. The main reason still is that the LMH classed cars had a advantage in performance this year. People forget that the first season of the 919 was also not glorious in Le Mans. They started winning in the second season, also not the first. Additional Note: The Ferrari Win is amazing and yes, it matters a lot! ... even for a Toyota guy 😀
There’s the issue! All these classes. And you need knowledge to know what is what etc. means nothing to me.. as someone who likes cars but doesn’t get this, suggests a limited audience or interest?
Also if you think about it, there are so many petrol heads across the world that don't like supercars/supercar brands.
So many 'JDM heads' will be introduced to motorsports if there's a brand involved that they can get behind, such as Toyota GR..
Great episode, watching it on CZcams, it’s much better without the headphones. Le Mans was fabulous and congratulations to Ferrari. I’m with Tony on the Mission X, such a shame Porsche are so committed to electric cars, which in my view will go the way of Betamax! Especially when synthetic fuels match petrol in price.
I'd love you guys to touch on Japanese car prices again. There are 3 Subaru Impreza P1's on autotrader for £500k +(One is £650k... for an IMPREZA?), The Lexus LFA is comfortably past £1m. And I am baffled by it.
Also the Lotus Eletre has a 900hp model coming out and I wonder what that will do to all the other brands making their super-SUV's. The DBX 707 isnt looking too impressive with that lotus as a competitor. (Don't get me started on LOTUS making an SUV. Hurst my soul.)
Toyota brands itself on reliability, winning a tough 24h race is testament to that image.
I was camped on the Porsche curves at Le Mans this year and a Porsche Taycan was parked there and it took him over two hours longer than the 911s did that he travelled down with due to having to charge it and he has to speak nicely to the Porsche experience centre there to allow him to charge up there for free so he could drive back to a charge point on the way back
I'd suggest to Tony he might want to watch Audi's "Truth in 24". Both parts. Narrated by Jason Statham. They're superb.
What you said about the field spread is not 100% true. Maybe in lmp1 it was but in lmp2 and gte it was not. The gte class was probably one of the greatest classes ever to watch. In imsa and in wec the races would always be close. Some races they would be 6 hours in to the races and the last car would be 20 seconds behind the leader.
Spike’s car radio 😉
Tony is correct! 🎉😂
Jep Tony you are right 296 GT3 won Nürburgring 24h this year. From all you guys saying what you like about racing and Le Mans you should really watch Nürburgring 24h. They are sprint racing 24h very hard for the last 10 years 😂
Awesome!!!
Ferrari already making the Purosangue LeMans Edition Super Sport Fast Pista Scuderia Carrera GTO tdf V12 S Sport Track Corsa.
I think Toyota competing in Le Mans 24 hour helps solidify their brand for reliability as they have always been known as one of the most reliable options and sell a lot on the back of that!
Of course it matters and thank heavens the headsets have gone, shame they are coming back
To me, nothing will ever top 2019’s GTE pro battle throughout the entire 24 race
The most relatable part of this video was the message from virgin media 😂
Tony isnt alone about his hatred of ev cars especially supercars
The last great N/A supercar is the Lamborghini Huracan Tecnica 5.2 N/A V10.
No wonder they are already fetching £50k over list in a soft market and prices will only go up as they are impossible to get anymore. The last, best and rarest Huracan derivative. Guaranteed future classic
Who is archie?
lol @ LaFerrari being out of here at 4 million as if that was’nt the case at 1.5
Ferrari is joining back non F1 series because of the F1 budget cap.
They now have 300mil to spend elsewhere 😎
And the last year Porsche have been looking at F1 and cut their WEC budget and got an off the shelf Penske chassis for their hyper car.
finally timestamp.
I think Toyota do it for reliability? I might be wrong
Just watching this now.
I guess every individual whose fortune enough to own a Ferrari has a different perspective on what it means to them.
For me the racing heritage is very important & I feel if it wasn’t for Enzo Ferraris vision as a child (The Enzo Ferrari movie is a must watch) I very much doubt motorsport would exist today.
I disagree with the guy’s comments about Toyota as that brand that brand has come along way with its GR division.
Love the way the guy on the right expresses his Le Mans visit, I completely get it, I only followed it it various chunks on my phone as I was out n about but got completely hooked.
Even woke up at 3.00am to watch a couple of hrs. 😂
WEC is going from strength to strength & at this rate with a single team (don’t mention the cost cap beach) dominating F1 what’s the point in wasting a Sunday afternoon watch a predictable manipulated mess?
Toyota was dominant in a class that only Toyota competed in, now they have to actually race against other teams it’s a bit more interesting. Next years Le Mans should be epic.
I won the parents sack race at my sons school . It didn’t matter to the other parents evidently 😂😂😂
Dont forget Toyota is also in nascar and have been dominating as well
Surely another Ferrari GTO ?! The 812 GTO. As the centenary Le Mans, the GT00?
Too many classes in the 24 hour races. Difficult to follow which cars are leading etc. bit like cricket, love it or hate it. As difficult to follow😃 don’t have 24 hours to spare and not easy to pop in and out of watching. Not for me.
Lemans is the single most important race of this year maybe ever. F1 is for people who like go karts. WRC is for people who like off road. WEC/IMSA is for actual road/track car racing. Ferrari winning is massive. It ends the boring era of toyota competing against themselves with exactly 0 competition. It makes the most historical race also one of the hardest races (behind dakkar maybe a handful of races) relevant again.
It’s a funny thing, and probably not a popular thing to say here. LeMans this year was a good race. But it’s going thats always been better. And who won is neither here nor there for me. I’m at the stage in life where I could treat myself with something exotic but am about as excited by Ferrari and Lamborghini (and hyper cars ) as wearing a Gold suit with matching Cuban heels. In fact parking one and having to get out would feel the same for me. These brands are just OTT now. Maybe I’m just old, but then not too old to afford one. So does my opinion matter ? These cars lost their way mid 90’s when other cars without all the show and noise and gold suits, with space, room, relative comfort, visibility to allow City driving caught up. So for me the cost of wining LeMans ( marketing ) was a waste. Will new customers be forth coming because of LeMans. F1 worked for Mercedes for sure, but Mercedes were a different thing. The loud cold start and trying to get a C63 round a corner was about the worst of it. And you could drive one without Cuban heels. Once Ferrari has EVs with speakers for engine noise then you can add VD to the gold suit.
2023 24H du Mans is probably the best race I have ever watched. It's a shame (and not) there was so many cars in Hypercars so they barely showed the GT race. Iron Dames almost won in GT (still wondering how they finished fourth) and they are doing very well all season long getting pole positions. They've finished on podiums many times and even won.
The Iron Dames haven't won in WEC yet, they did win in ELMS and the Spa 24 though. They also had a brake issue at the end of the race which cost them quite some time.
So good to see Ferrari win! But I do wonder if the lack of success in F1 the past 3,4 years has meant that they needed to diversify their Motorsport division in order to find some kind of success. And if (Hopefully when) Ferrari get back to winning in F1 will Ferrari withdraw from WEC because “they’re back to their winning ways” in F1. Some food for thought!
Well there is a budget limit in F1 now and Ferrari can't fire their staff due to some Italian laws so they had to do something with them which was the Hypercar project. I doubt that will change even if they start winning in F1.
They are asking for $4 million for a Ferrari Laferrari, that does not mean they are going to get that kind of money.
Porsche are shit at WEC currently because their car is not a full fat Porsche race car, they took an off the shelf chassis from Penske.
Toyota has been in Motorsport years whether it be rally's or whatnot
Solid State battery tech. Toyota rolling out next gen battery tech 2024/5. i personally think this is the stage I'll enter the ev market. lighter, quicker charging, and lighter.
Can’t understand why people complain how hot it is we moan all winter saying had enough of the shite cold wet weather spend thousands going abroad each to somewhere hot yet get some nice days here and you hear some people complain about the heat 😮
Rush, Le Mans, Grand Prix, Le Mans 66. Thats 4 movies that were essentially about beating Ferrari. Now Ferrari win Le Mans for real after being away for so many years you're asking if it matters?
Big win for Ferrari. 100 years of Le Mans AND 1st win after 50 years of Ferrari at Le Mans. They deserved it
LeMans matters because the race was fantastic, and not boring like F1,
Too much 'Hype' watching a pace car.
Porsche got lazy (brand doing really well, lots of praise for road/race cars, etc.). Ferrari did the same for a couple years. Glad to see them back, will make every other manufacturer to step-up their game.
Nah i think Porsche cut their budget for WEC because the last year they've been looking at F1. I think next year Porsche will concentrate on WEC and build a full fat hyper car with their own chassis instead of getting Penske built spec chassis for cheap. And that Porsche will pull out of looking at F1.
Like a couple of hairdressers with no hair 🤣🤣
5:25, in our defense, the people who go to the tail of the dragon *are* the people who love going there. Anyone who has done it immediately realizes it's overhyped nonsense, but the boomer generation and honda civic community really love it for whatever reason. Their unjustifiable love for that strip of road is kind of like British people's love for pretending any given current PM is responsible for the exact whole of the nation's problems.