$750,000 BMWs And Electric Abarths! The Future For Petrolheads? [S6, E11]
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 9. 09. 2024
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This week Tony and I are back in the UK. We chat about:
00:27 Tony goes in on me.
04:00 Tony the business adviser?
05:42 A big announcement!
09:47 Our America trip đșđž
20:45 I went to a âTarga Clubâ rally cross event.
22:52 The Lamborghini Huracan Sterrato has launched!
28:38 RS7 & RS6 Performance đŹ
30:38 I want the new Abarth 500e âĄïž
45:49 The 750k BMW!?
56:00 Our Recast channel!
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i feel like you are about to massively shoot yourself in the foot here Sam. ive watched your channel for 6 years and both podcasts since the first episode, im telling you right now, if you constantly tease me with content i cant access after all the time ive invested in watching, commenting, sharing and playing my small part in growing your channel, like we all do, you are going to piss me off. you are the last to sell out (of the OG cars vloggers) but it feels like thats what youre doing!
This will kill the podcast. Don't let them use to to try another shit podcast platform. Just chat shit about what ever you want and put it out. Pay walls kill the podcast
@Sean yeh i do get that and i dont ever mind someone making bread but i just dont want to be teased with content that i can access and the constant need to learn new platforms to keep up with content creators gets a bit much.
@@anthonyjarvis9472 It would definitely help if there just a few main platforms that creators stuck to but we're in a sort of inbetween moment at this point. The major tech companies have morphed into something different to how they started and many people are looking for alternatives. It's the same thing with political commentary which is being shunned off the big platforms, they're all searching for a good alternative and the result has been everyone being spread thin. Hopefully some good alternatives take hold and all the fluff falls away.
@@sh-hg4eg true i just feel like this is not a good move. especially if they plan to tease us with content. that just becomes annoying and frankly il just stop watching!
More business advice from Tony please, that would be amazing.
Was it last week or maybe week before, he came out with some genuinely sensible ideas/ views. I'm no mogul but run billions of pension money so appreciate lots that I'm sure I take for granted now
He gave business advice to Sam and now you have to pay for content.
@@HUMC5 you actually donât like you just get access to it first if you pay thatâs all the only thing thatâs behind a pay wall is the behind the Chequered flag podcast video the audio is still free
Sam, I don't think I have ever commented on one of your videos before but i've been watching the main channel since your TT-S POV days and behind the glass since day 1. I have to say, after having used 100 credits to watch the F1 season review on recast, I absolutely hate the recast platform. It was a chore to register (wouldn't send me verification codes), earning 4 credits for watching an ad is a joke, and sharing the content with people is a challenge when none of my friends are into the automotive world or F1, not to mention the horrible video quality that it keeps alternating between for me. I don't think you should be making free content but I am not so sure recast is the right way of going about it. I personally would happily sit through more ads on youtube, listen to more ads while podcasting the show (i alternate between the two), or listen to sponsored ads presented by you before, during or after the episodes (Matt Farah does 10 minutes of the stuff before his show (a bit much but he has to get paid)). While recast deserves kudos for giving multiple ways of accumulating credits it is definitely pushing people to pay cash for it given how it compensates for the alternative ways. It is also incredibly disappointing that after the chequered flag is exclusive to recast and not even offered on youtube on a delay. This is largely because, while I liked the show with Tony and still listen every week, it has become pretty annoying listening to Tony rattle off the same stuff week after week and I personally much prefer listening to you and Paul discuss F1, of which I am a huge ferrari fan too! Anyway that is just my two cents. Not sure I am willing to sit through 25 ads on recast to accumulate the 100 credits needed to watch you and Paul.
Boys this was genuinely the best one yet couldnât stop laughingđ the dynamic has flourished over years, an absolute testament to perseverance and just to give it a go! Keep it coming:)
Thank you. Much appreciated
Aye love watching Sam being wound up.
Tony kills me sometimes đ âyou can have one leg, but youâve got twoâ
gives me classic clarkson vibes đđ€Ł
I'd 1 million % to see some business focused content from you and Tony - not just running a personal business but thinking about a Department leader owning their department as a business.
Viewersâ time is already monetised on CZcams with ads. Canât see a paywall on another platform being a massive success unless people are particularly averse to ads.
This channel will die like many did before.
When CZcamsrs became greedy it's their downfall.
I'm ready for Tony's business school! I left my job, started 3 start up e-commerce businesses, do about 5 peoples jobs quite badly, and generally muddle through my daily life putting out the biggest fires. I'm still alive but I'm sure some of Tony's wisdom would help massively ;-).
I love these episodes up to the point Tony starts talking about electric cars.
Truth hurts
Canât go wrong with biz advice from the legend Tony.
Don't understand the move to Recast. So patreon is no longer a thing or they need to pay twice? The credits idea sounds silly and a way to overcharge people when they have to top up in increments that don't match the cost of the episodes. Company probably won't even be around for long
Patreon is sadly closing, so no, they wonât pay twice. Patrons have known about all this for a few weeks.
On recast you literally pay for what you want to watch. No overcharging. Our episodes will mostly be ÂŁ1 each⊠you can literally just pay each time you log on, or if you think youâll watch everything, it might be easier to top up your credits each month so you donât have to do it every time. The credits are yours and are only used when you watch something.
They use credit so there is the opportunity to earn them, not just buy them. (Buy watching ads/sharing content etc)
For us, recast makes things more flexible, affordable and fairer than Patreon but as we said, if not of interest, nothing changes for you. You still can enjoy episodes for free on here and podcast players. We appreciate the support either way!
Thanks for the feedback
Completely agree. The Recast website UX is also shocking/very frustrating to use. The app is even worseâŠLove BTG (and STG) content, but this doesnât feel like a sensible solution.
@@BehindTheGlass I get the concept of the credits but it's still just set up so that people end up paying for stuff, forgetting about it and then having that money locked away in credits. It just seems like a weirdly unknown platform to jump to, when youtube offer memberships programs, and you already had the patreon was running and working seemingly fine from the outside
It's the same old story. CZcamsrs became greedy and then complain about their channel dieing over time.
CZcams pay them for the content we already see...
@@BehindTheGlass making it sound like Patreon isnât gonna be a company anymoreâŠYOUR patreon page is closing lol big difference
So c'mon, how big was it? đ€Łđ€Łđ€ŁBut seriously - business oriented podcast episode would be very appropriated as You never truly know it all and it would be very interesting to hear more about it.
Great job Lads!
I think Tony has a lot of experience in business we would love to hear. Make it happen Sam!
It is kind of annoying how Tony refuses to talk about EVs. Sam makes great points about how all EVs will feel the same in terms of power delivery and other driving characteristics. I think companies will have to focus on visual design and brand more than ever as the selling point.
If you drive a Model 3 and a Taycan side by side, you can clearly tell the difference between them and especially in how they drive.
The best thing they can do is keep ICE as the main line ups and just have the odd EV model for the very few people who actually want them.
Really disappointed to hear about the move to recast for The Checkered Flag. Why not release on Patreon on Monday and then release on CZcams on say Thursday or Friday?
Somebody needs to pay for his "toys"...
I'm hugely disappointed with Sam. I've been watching since the 4C days but now after all the free fame and channel grow he decides to move to pay-to-watch content.
As an under 30 who took over a business in the last 3 years, Tony's input and advice would make for an incredible podcast!
1 pound per episode... That is a pretty big portion of the content subscription budget for most people. Good luck with that, but I can have more than 3 episodes of anything when I pay Amazon 3 pounds per month. I do not like this type of monetisation and yet another content platform just adds to the sparsity of entertainment these days
Going on recast will kill this podcast. I wish Sam would stop trying create structured content and just create a podcast that is just a conversation covering topics
Huge Bummer about the Checkered Flag leaving the tube
When Tony said "you could have one leg" absolutely killed me đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
The E Abarth v 500E, if itâs a city car, itâs only point is oneupmanship over the standard version.
Yes but the f1 podcast would be good if we got it late like the main podcast.
None of my friends are in f1 and it's good to have some f1 chat once a week.
Unfortunately Sam caught the greediness flu.
I think the business related content would be excellent - great idea.
Lol @ 13:45, "Chicago on the other side of America"
NY is another 800 miles east.
I feel like you guys missed out big time with the recast move. Why not put the premium content on for CZcams membership ? Personally I donât wanna go to a 3rd party host like recast which doesnât seem like a properly built website in the first place but also comes with a weird payment plan. Iâd love to support the podcast but until thatâll be possible through the yt membership program, Iâll hold out.
The problem with the Abarth EV? It costs 40K. I think itâs a tad ridiculous.
Watching Tony in LA, was like watching Crocodile Dundee when he first arrives in NY
sorry sam i feel this is a bad move, i dont pay for youtube style content regardless of whether its a shiny new platform. we all follow a lot of content creators these days and to support them financially would be impossible, even just a pound would add up, thats why you get paid by advertisers not viewers. ive been a supporter of the podcast and after the checkered flag since the first episodes of both so i have to tell you im kinda pissed that i no longer get to see the chequered flag episodes!
It's always the same move some CZcamsrs make after all the free fame.
We watched from beggining;
We helped them grow the channel;
We shared countless videos;
We commented and made the comment section alive;
And what we get in return? "I got enough subs to get free press cars and companies pay me to review them but now it's your turn to give me your money".
Remember the
Greediness...
@@HUMC5 i feel your right about that, which is a shame as Sam is one of the last automotive channels that i watch as all the others sold out. seems he is about to do the same.
I most certainly would be interested if you did some business episodes. It is my dream to set up my own business and would be very interested if you did some episodes.
Tonyâs reaction on the M4 had me on the floor
750k for homage or ÂŁ150k for the original CSL
Great point, they have absolutely lost their minds. The price tag almost insults what it represents, a real shame.
literally
You guys must out more together! 2023 here we go, great podcast!
Yes I am all for Tony giving us bizzz tips.
BMW is smart to limit it to 50 coz thereâs prob only 50 bimmer fans crazy enough to pay 750k for that over pretty much any exotics on the market today. I totally agree with the point on the restore-mods
The 3.0 CSL is literally priced like a Ferrari SF90 Stradale. You would have to be a massive bimmer fan (and an insane one at that) to choose a rebodied M4 over Ferrari's flagship mid-engined V8
The problem is not with just you charging for content Sam. It is that many creators are beginning to charge as well. CZcams is quickly turning into an expensive platform. My favorite 10 chanel's would cost close to $60 per month for the exclusive content. That's more than I pay for Netflix, Hulu and Amazon combined. It seems like a content embargo for a few months would have put an end to the "algorithm" change imposed by Google. That seems to be what led creators to shift to first Patreon and now fake raffles and give aways to earn income. Well, that is the reason everyone seems to give. It's sad that the community can't earn a living when Google earns many billions from ads supported by your content. I wish you the best of luck on the new platform. I rather enjoyed your F1 banter but the credits system sounds a bit absurd to me, cheers.
Thatâs totally fair enough. Unfortunately the CZcams business model is not what it once was and creators are looking for further ways to monetise their audience. We hope you continue to enjoy the usual content on here and will try not to make the bonus/extra stuff too appealing ha
@@BehindTheGlass this might sound harshâŠbut maybe it has something to do with the fact that the main channel has been at 500k subs for 6 years nowâŠ
@@BehindTheGlass I totally understand, this is your income and you need to get paid for your hard work. I just can't afford to pay for each tubers content which is unfortunate. Keep up the great work I will still be tuning in for the content on here. By the way, I am watching from Costa Rica. Not sure how many of us are subs, cheers!
business advice from tony would be great!
It will be an honor Sr , it could be a life changer for me and others , especially when we have mentality attractiveness to Cars and development. 5:28
Sam, you should do a round up/montage on the main channel at the end of the year. You commentating over all the unused footage from things that never made full videos.
The Recast situation sounds like a sh1t show. Sign up, buy credits or earn credits. Nobody is interested in "earning" credits in order to consume your content. I love everything you do, and will continue to support your channel, but this sounds like a pain in the ass and I couldn't be bothered. I think people will switch off. That being said, I do hope it works out for you, but it's not for me.
Thatâs totally fair enough. In reality, I think itâs a lot simpler than you make out above. There is just a cost on each piece of content (usually around ÂŁ1 for us). So if you want to watch one of our bonus episodes, live streams or episodes early, you simply log on, and pay for that video. Then and there. Easy peasy. However if you are someone who will regularly watch all the additional content, it might be easier to top up your credits each month so you donât have to do it every-time.
Earning credits is just a cool way to save a little cash.
But we appreciate all the support and appreciate the feedback! We hope you continue to enjoy the episodes here
@@BehindTheGlass Honestly the issue I see is that I've been happily giving you money every month on Patreon, just because I like y'all. Well, at least you Sam ;). I don't ever log on to the Patreon page or consume the content that way (I just use a podcast player). It doesn't seem like there's an option to just throw some cash your way on a recurring basis anymore. I hope that Recast gave you a healthy payout to move over to the platform though :)
Yes to business episodes
You two are like brothers the way you argue! Love it đđđ„
would love an episode on business advices from you and Tony. Good job Sam for keeping your cool in the EV conversation. it made me laugh as I saw the episode going sideways. the bonus content is going to be so much fun! Thanks for the content!
This intro is so so much better. It looks so premium!
Of course Tony always knows best, but worth remembering air is cooler the further you get from the surface (except in very rare circumstances and above the Tropopause) so the jacked up Lambo will be sucking cooler and cleaner air from the snorkel.
Delegating is the first part but it's also about hiring someone who you can undoubtedly do the tasks better than you - it'll increase output massively
I would love a business focused episode! Behind-Behind The Glass :)
Tony hasnât got a cooking clue this week đđ. That Abarth chat was appalling from Tony đđ
Thought it was spot on, tbh. Has any of the general public even heard of Abarth, especially the demographic of youngish women who are the ones who buy 500's? It's a niche brand for enthusiasts.
Yes, more business advice from Tony please, would be great!
I love the argument segments of these podcasts! I agree with Tony on this one
Shame that After the checkered flag is moving off CZcams.
Meh. Donât commercialize and send it over to different platforms. Not a good long term view. IMHO.
Bummer you guys didn't get a go in the VF Engineering Huracan while in LA. That would have been a great video!
I live on a Caribbean island that we actually need a lifted porsche or lambo. Basically good driving roads but also loads of dirt roads, mega potholes, etc
I am constantly trying to research rally style cars that are lifted but still corner properly. And are reliable.
North Carolina....! Now you are talking.
You have to visit NASCAR racing, & Four wide Drag Racing at Charlotte and go Bass fishing. Feel the vibe!
Tony has you off every week. Haha, never fails to disagree with you and make me laugh
On topic with the BMW 3.0 CSL, the Ferrari Daytona SP3 has a mid engined N/A V12, when in the current Ferrari Catalogue you can only get a Grand Touring, Front Engined, 812 SF / GTS. The Lamborghini Countach, has the hybrid technology which an Aventador doesnât get. Even Porsche with the Sport Classic used the engine from the Turbo with a manual transmission but BMW literally just re-bodied a manual M4, and did an ECU remap for some extra HP. It makes NO SENSE for $750,000. For $750,000 I would buy an M4 CS, and a 992 911 GT3RS, and $250,000 in change.
I would love to hear about debt facilitation.
I have a business and would love to take it to the next step.
I have a business plan
Where do I go next?
We are not a friendly people in general Tony just so you know. You guys have just been really lucky
Compared to the more reserved social norms of the UK, California is very friendly.
Im with Tony on the Abarth discussion. The Fiat 500 E looks fantastic and makes total sense as a city car from A-B. A lot of them are driving around here in Stuttgart. I dont think these ppl are car ppl tho. I drive my 595 Comp as a daily, mainly in and around the city and an E Abarth wonÂŽt satisfy my need for emotion, rawness and sound. An enthusiast car just doesnt make sense as an EV with the current state of EVs. Hyundai is introducing "fake" gearshifts in the next EVs which probably add in the emotion department. Just take the loss Sam :)
Iâve just sold my Macan GTS and now in Model Y Performance it was over ÂŁ120 per tank for the Macan with real world miles 250 Iâm getting same from Tesla for around ÂŁ12 â home charging â itâs much faster than the Macan. But letâs make no mistake itâs not a patch on Porsche. I miss the emotion side of things and ownership experience.
Business episode with Tony hosting sounds like fun! đ
Would love to see you guys in Charlotte, North Carolina. Go to some of the showrooms cars and coffee. See some of the crazy southern builds!! Maybe next USA trip đ€·ââïžđ€·ââïž
A new engine ECU development from Bosch will start at ÂŁ2million. Keep in mind that there are 30 other ECUs on the car.
Not to mention each new tool for a body panel is 7 figures as well lol
Exactly, as usual Tony is clueless, doesnât understand amortisation of costs. Yes on a car forecast to sell 10000 units a body kit might only cost a manufacturer a few hundred pound per car. A bespoke carbon body over only 50 units?, probably ÂŁ100k+ per car to amortise design and engineering.
100% more business content guys, bring it on for 2023 đ
Yes give us business advice!!!!! Love Tony!!!â€
I'm always in the comments asking for more insight from Tony on the business side of things. Finally we are getting somewhere đđđ
Tony charged me for PPF that I later found wasnât installed on the car
Yes to business episodes!
Like Matt Farah found out with his Safari 911, the Dakar would be great where your roads are crap or itâs the winter car for people who get snow and drive a GT3
There was a story about a Fiat 500e that had battery issues fairly local to me. Fiat quoted ÂŁ17,000 for replacements !!!đŹ Great episode, had me in stitches at times .
Patience of a saint there Sam.
You guys have got to come to Greenwich CT! Next time you guys are in the states, I promise it will not disappoint!
I very much enjoyed the robust discussion around 500e Abarth. Both made good/valid points, for me Tony made (despite his stubbornness) a more frequently rational argument. Emotions frequently are by their nature irrational.
More business advice from Tony please, that would be amazing!!!
Yeah, totally. I'd love to have some business podcast episodes. Both general, youtube business, and also businesses like supercar driver car trip planning businesses.
Abarth are the same as AMG⊠take a car and trim it out, then put a better heart in it⊠if the heart is just allowing more energy from the batteries to be available compared to the base 500 then thatâs just like having an IPhone with a brighter screen. I thing they should have gone hybrid
12:50 I'm so glad Sam went on to explain it because my first assumption was one of you two were participants in the "eye opener" of an act (think 'dark side of the moon' and not the Pink Floyd album)
Business chat sounds great ! đ
I don't have a business yet but have lots of ideas on what i'd like to do. What i'd like to hear from Tony on is where do I start. I have a mortgage and a family which I wouldn't want to risk as the main bread earner.
Great episode.....feels like you guys have been married for 25 years and bicker about 'who left the top off the toothpaste' or 'who was supposed to take the bins out' đ
I think Tony should stick to sales and not manufacturing, M4 cost to build 10k-15K you're having a laugh:) Great show though đ
Yes business courses or podcast would be fantastic. đ
Would love a business orientated podcast!
Petition to rename this podcast: 2 guys who claim to like cars shit on cars for an hour⊠đđ
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The sterato is for the off-road conditions of LA roads . It's really just a LA spec hurrican
Or London spec when avoiding lower body damage in tight spaces.
My current build is a geo tracker getting a 350ci v8 with a 5 speed manual. At the local C&C anything from classic to hyper cars. Would definitely be a perfect fit for your channel
Please make a trip to the north east of the U.S.! It's beautiful during the fall. There's a lot of people in that area, just in new york and pennsylvania alone. Would love to be able to take a road trip to come see a show
Yes to business advice
Sam handled that disagreement so well.
Defo do some business episodes
You can go rock climbing in a nd miata just by changing tires and removing the appearance package skirts if it has them
One word
Hybrid
Sorts all issues you were discussing
1. Manual gearbox
2. Engine Sounds
3. Range
4. Purchase Costs (Brand Dependant)
5. Fiat 500 Abarth Hybrid ?
Tony was on Sam on the Abarth Topic đ€Ł
Tony - currently work at independent dealer and want to know how to set up on my own. Top 3 tips to do so (and what area of the market to target)
honestly the recast website is horrible from a ux perspective, personally I would rather pay montly for patreon (even if it became more expensive to cover the costs for more content) than having to deal with recast and their terrible top-up and ppw system. Also sad to see the F1 show being tucked away there aswell. Obviously will continue to watch on youtube as this has been my favourite podcast for a long time now and hope you take this criticism which seems to be echoed in the comments into consideration.
Recast is just subscription tv nothing in that for a consumer if you compare it to the likes of Netflix etc⊠I.e. lots of content not much quality.
I think Porsche made the Dakar bc of the "safari editions" that people have been making in the aftermarket
Tony business would be sick
As an extra business video worth a try
The homages will keep going until they flop - and I think that'll be next year as rate rises start to bite. Yes manufacturers latching on to a niche while the market still there. That BMW is crazy. They're carbon panels as they're stuck on to an M4!