HEATED DEBATE: Is Bellingham a Top 10 Cm in the WORLD?!

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  • @willridesbikes.
    @willridesbikes. Před 11 měsíci +720

    Tom has the best ball knowledge by far. You can tell he actually watches the game rather than just go off of social media.

    • @101notfound17
      @101notfound17 Před 11 měsíci +31

      Lmao verratti is a terrible shout after what a terrible season he had

    • @zTriqzRx
      @zTriqzRx Před 11 měsíci +9

      if you think tom is going home to watch psg full matches you've lost it, you can't analyse every player in the world to the level he thinks he knows them

    • @andymore62
      @andymore62 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Not really, he just goes with whatever the consensus on Twitter is and thinks anyone who doesn’t is an idiot.

    • @nniico_
      @nniico_ Před 11 měsíci +5

      Verratti and Modric in a top 10 of the season is a joke

    • @adsi6751
      @adsi6751 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@nniico_ why wouldn't modric be? he is absolute class still

  • @matthewkeys7754
    @matthewkeys7754 Před 11 měsíci +1008

    As much as it can get irritating how condescending Tom can be he's correct on like 99% of the debates they have on this show lmao

    • @jackbutler3594
      @jackbutler3594 Před 11 měsíci +113

      I think he’s condescending because he’s fed up of the bullshit he hears 🤣

    • @jman1387
      @jman1387 Před 11 měsíci +11

      99% what?😂 valverde 5th, VERRATTI😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @ACGI657
      @ACGI657 Před 11 měsíci +27

      @@jman1387 just admit you don’t watch any football. Verratti is unreal if you’ve ever watched him

    • @jman1387
      @jman1387 Před 11 měsíci +4

      @@ACGI657 behave yourself. Verratti nowhere near top 10

    • @repeHAX
      @repeHAX Před 11 měsíci +15

      @@jman1387valverde was literally one of the best players two seasons ago when Real won the UCL and he was unreal last season aswell. He can play everywhere in the midfield and on the right wing, having hin 5th isnt a bad shout at all

  • @jupe86
    @jupe86 Před 11 měsíci +256

    Theo just looked at the FUT TOTY and picked the midfielders

  • @danielreda7648
    @danielreda7648 Před 11 měsíci +356

    The English and prem bias is insane
    Again Theo's ball knowledge is the worst

    • @danielreda7648
      @danielreda7648 Před 11 měsíci +6

      @@ReasonablyArsenal potato potato

    • @Lkkdjs
      @Lkkdjs Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@ReasonablyArsenal people now saying “cringe” instead of “cringey” is one of the worst things to happen in the last couple years

    • @sdrp9539
      @sdrp9539 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@ReasonablyArsenal tosser

    • @levimurray5233
      @levimurray5233 Před 11 měsíci

      Another cringe.

    • @HMgamingEXP14HUW
      @HMgamingEXP14HUW Před 2 měsíci

      @@Lkkdjscringe

  • @papaquentin1588
    @papaquentin1588 Před 11 měsíci +1156

    I swear Tom is the only one with any ball knowledge on this podcast

    • @garethpichon1101
      @garethpichon1101 Před 11 měsíci +54

      Verrati had a Horrible season

    • @1Ellixt
      @1Ellixt Před 11 měsíci +17

      Valverde 5th? lmao

    • @EA-hz9mg
      @EA-hz9mg Před 11 měsíci +47

      Just cos the other 3 are brainless doesn’t make him have ball knowledge verratti is a terrible shout 😂😂 and how isn’t musiala getting a mention when he’s clear of bellingham

    • @cameronsmith7328
      @cameronsmith7328 Před 11 měsíci +23

      @@EA-hz9mgmusiala definitely isnt clear of bellingham. Going forwards maybe but bellingham can do way more overall

    • @BigRake516
      @BigRake516 Před 11 měsíci

      @@1EllixtHe was the only on that included him. Good pick imo

  • @francie6278
    @francie6278 Před 11 měsíci +648

    Tom is absolutely spot on about Jude Bellingham by the way, he’s a very talented young player but to suggest he already has it all is ridiculous in my opinion.

    • @jamesjenkins6093
      @jamesjenkins6093 Před 11 měsíci

      Deffo top 10 though, hop off Toms nuts pal

    • @hazzerboyes97
      @hazzerboyes97 Před 11 měsíci +13

      He literally won player of the season. Bellingham is top 5 easy

    • @jaspersanders8173
      @jaspersanders8173 Před 11 měsíci +18

      ​@@hazzerboyes97in the bundesliga yeah, the 2nd worst, if not the worst league of the top 5. The difference between most of the top 10 midfielders and Jude is that they've let their presence known internationally on the biggest stage, in the UCL or WC. Jude did have a good WC, but he mostly stood out because he is a young talent and because he's english. You could even argue that Musiala and Pedri are currently better than him based on how they contributed to their team's succes and their achievements. Jude's biggest achievement is his move to Real Madrid, but that doesn't make him a top 10 player yet.

    • @davidwhyte7343
      @davidwhyte7343 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Big time, I think camavinga is ahead of Jude in terms of their development, and they are the same age. It's about winning big games and trophies, not "showing promise"!

    • @OwlsAndDolphins.
      @OwlsAndDolphins. Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​@@jaspersanders8173 Musiala is not better than Jude Bellingham, if Bellingam was fit than Dortmund would of been champions, hes been their best player for multiple seasons

  • @ethankinsler4411
    @ethankinsler4411 Před 11 měsíci +202

    Bruno far too disrespected, just unlucky to be feeding wout weghorst

    • @Damian-wr6bz
      @Damian-wr6bz Před 11 měsíci +2

      He’s nowhere near this

    • @mrw999
      @mrw999 Před 11 měsíci

      @@Damian-wr6bzshut up bruv

    • @samknightley4173
      @samknightley4173 Před 11 měsíci +20

      @@Damian-wr6bz he’s better than bruno g, valverde, camavinga, pedri, Bellingham, odegaard

    • @Celticgoingtowinthechampions
      @Celticgoingtowinthechampions Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@samknightley4173 not pedri

    • @kodymendiola1507
      @kodymendiola1507 Před 11 měsíci +9

      @@Damian-wr6bzIf Bruno was English, people would have him 2nd. He had a better season than Bellingham this season

  • @isakpetterssonmusic
    @isakpetterssonmusic Před 11 měsíci +271

    This just proves that Bruno Fernandes is underrated. most big chances created in the league and have plenty of 30 g/a seasons in his career.

    • @inquisitorsneed2
      @inquisitorsneed2 Před 11 měsíci

      It's because he's the most unlikeable athlete in the world

    • @mrw999
      @mrw999 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Truly underrated

    • @thetruth4654
      @thetruth4654 Před 11 měsíci +24

      I dislike the guy, but he should be ahead of Odegaard as a player.

    • @Holdtight920
      @Holdtight920 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Or the man utd fans just overrate him too much

    • @footballglobe9730
      @footballglobe9730 Před 11 měsíci +14

      @@Holdtight920how r we overrating him when he’s got better stats than 99% of midfielders itw

  • @sam_elmesey
    @sam_elmesey Před 10 měsíci +113

    Theo genuinely thought he did something by laughing his head off. Tom is spot on

  • @Jalil187
    @Jalil187 Před 11 měsíci +143

    Bruno disrespected
    Pedri is easily top 5 imo, Theo really doesn’t watch football because he based it off last season and didn’t even include him
    Jude is good but people are obsessed with the idea of what he could become, he’s not top 10 at the moment
    Horrendous list from Theo

    • @LocalNoob_2
      @LocalNoob_2 Před 11 měsíci +5

      as a united fan i am more than used every other premier league club fan disrespecting him,calling him "average" not puting him in top 10s...they hate him because he drills their side each time they play but "complains" and "moans" all the time...umm he is the captain and is passionate? What is he supposed to do you muppets...they have 0 ball knowledge

    • @Htydeforce13
      @Htydeforce13 Před 11 měsíci

      Pedri top whatttt ??

    • @Jalil187
      @Jalil187 Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@Htydeforce13 Trust me, ever since the euros in 2021 he has been unreal. Aight maybe top 5 is pushing it and I’m biased for it. He’s top 10 for sure tho haha

    • @oluwatobafaleye8900
      @oluwatobafaleye8900 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@Htydeforce13 He's genuinely that good.

    • @Htydeforce13
      @Htydeforce13 Před 11 měsíci

      @@oluwatobafaleye8900 I know he’s good I think he’s better than Bellingham camavinga tchouameni ect but not top 5 yet players like kd, Rodri kimmich silva Odegaard performing better in a better leauge also hard to compare or say he’s better than vets like modric casemiro Kroos ect no doubt he’ll be top 3 in a few years though

  • @Anonymous50573
    @Anonymous50573 Před 11 měsíci +47

    Surprised Barella didn’t get a shout

    • @Jay-tc9on
      @Jay-tc9on Před 10 měsíci +2

      Deserved a shout for sure, he played poor in the CL final though, so that probably detracts from his stock.

    • @pixelated4532
      @pixelated4532 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@Jay-tc9on he was one of the main reasons to get inter to the final in the first place, great games against benfica, barcelona, milan etc etc

  • @akshitlangeh3831
    @akshitlangeh3831 Před 11 měsíci +26

    the disrespect on pedri’s name is crazy, he controls the whole game while bellingham is another box to box

    • @jacobmcdermott55
      @jacobmcdermott55 Před 3 měsíci

      I love coming back every now and then and seeing stuff like this

  • @kylebamford7600
    @kylebamford7600 Před 11 měsíci +153

    Not including Pedri, Kroos and Bernardo Silva is mind blowing 🤯

    • @user-fd9db4ee9n
      @user-fd9db4ee9n Před 11 měsíci +4

      Pedri and silva were mentioned

    • @user-nt9qq8lt4u
      @user-nt9qq8lt4u Před 11 měsíci +12

      @@JonasRodgers kroos was real's best midfielder waht are you talking about

    • @Red-wr4bg
      @Red-wr4bg Před 11 měsíci +4

      @@user-nt9qq8lt4uliterally, you know ball, kroos was their best midfielder after tchouameni got injured, id say camavinga as well if he wasn’t playing out of position

    • @Slesaint17
      @Slesaint17 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@user-nt9qq8lt4ubut Madrid had a stinky season

    • @danielayar3599
      @danielayar3599 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@user-nt9qq8lt4u kroos was stinky the majority of the past 2 seasons prior, going 1/3 seasons means you can't be put on this type of pedestal. same applies with kimmich tbh

  • @joshuaquinn6945
    @joshuaquinn6945 Před 11 měsíci +58

    If you watch Bellingham on a consistent basis, you can tell he’s not a finished package yet. A lot of the times he’s caught in two minds (partially because at Dortmund he has to cover a lot of roles). He has amazing games, but like Dortmund themselves really struggles in moments that he should excel in. It might be down to age and the pressure that comes at Dortmund when it comes to their reputation as bottlers.

    • @halthegoat
      @halthegoat Před 7 měsíci +2

      Nice one, zero ball knowledge. Now probably the best player in the world at present🤣

  • @pabel3222
    @pabel3222 Před 11 měsíci +61

    Rice and odegard over Kimich and Casemiro if that's not bad ball knowledge i don’t know what is😶.Not just bad that's shocking.I would agree if football started last year

    • @dominikjarka4608
      @dominikjarka4608 Před 11 měsíci +3

      I would put Kimmich as a number 2 itw. Am I trippin? Purely on ability, he's a perfect midfielder. I am so amazed by the things he can do on the pitch

    • @pabel3222
      @pabel3222 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@dominikjarka4608 He is up there with Rodri

    • @jacksonboyd02
      @jacksonboyd02 Před 11 měsíci

      Yea it physically hurt me hearing theos list

    • @nniico_
      @nniico_ Před 11 měsíci

      your "ball knowledge" is social media and fifa ratings

  • @michaelfvt
    @michaelfvt Před 11 měsíci +54

    Because Tom got flustered when they asked what Jude can’t do, here is what he can’t do:
    - he doesn’t understand how to operate in small spaces when under pressure, he often gets into tough situations because his touch lets him down when he is pressed and gets bailed out because he is good in duels. Tom is right here, he isn’t good at picking the ball up from deep.
    - he can’t dictate tempo in the way Pedri, Gundo, VERRATTI, Kroos are able to. I remember he had

    • @rashidkatana9092
      @rashidkatana9092 Před 10 měsíci

      English tax all of a sudden he is top 10 but pedri is nowhere

    • @onlyweatherlol93
      @onlyweatherlol93 Před 10 měsíci

      Love the explanation, thank you!
      I have to be honest, he was an average performer against France at the world Cup. Tchouameni and Rabiot dominated him. He's too much of a rock and roll number 8 midfielder for me right now. He certainly doesn't have the acumen or astute nature to play as a 6 or deeper CM

    • @umaribrahim5316
      @umaribrahim5316 Před 6 měsíci

      Yeah mate you lot are right

    • @adiulakovic8196
      @adiulakovic8196 Před 4 měsíci

      this argument was from last season. he's obv has improved and playing a completely new role@@umaribrahim5316

    • @jagj2803
      @jagj2803 Před 3 měsíci

      Still wanking off on that opinion huh mate????

  • @aceybeast8414
    @aceybeast8414 Před 11 měsíci +68

    bruno fernandes should be in the list in my opinion

  • @ethanhawthorne1948
    @ethanhawthorne1948 Před 11 měsíci +79

    The obsession with Bellingham is unreal he hasn’t done anything yet but they’re speaking about him as if he’s the best in the world right now. He’s a future star and the discussion can be made once he’s done something but right now at this very minute he’s not the best.

    • @matthewjohnson421
      @matthewjohnson421 Před 11 měsíci +2

      He won bundesliga player of the season and almost carried Dortmund to the title

    • @ethanhawthorne1948
      @ethanhawthorne1948 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@matthewjohnson421 so that makes him too midfielders in the world right now? You can argue other players have done that in the top teams in other leagues

    • @jiahaogoh2822
      @jiahaogoh2822 Před 11 měsíci +3

      if he wasnt english nobody would be talking about him. the english tax is real. he is good dont get me wrong but he will that level in the future not now

    • @handysphinx2125
      @handysphinx2125 Před 10 měsíci

      @@matthewjohnson421almost

    • @Daniboi971
      @Daniboi971 Před 9 měsíci

      @@matthewjohnson421toddler league

  • @sexyjulian2493
    @sexyjulian2493 Před 11 měsíci +151

    Kroos was clearly Real Madrid's best midfielder last season, and the fact that he's not on anyone's list, just shows that they don’t watch anything outside of the prem, and their opinion is just based on what they hear on social media.

    • @EA-hz9mg
      @EA-hz9mg Před 11 měsíci +3

      Facts

    • @ahmedasensio1430
      @ahmedasensio1430 Před 11 měsíci

      Absolutely bro even no camavinga it's crazy

    • @johanliebert6734
      @johanliebert6734 Před 11 měsíci +7

      ​@@ahmedasensio1430tbf he played out of position most season

    • @ahmedasensio1430
      @ahmedasensio1430 Před 11 měsíci

      @@johanliebert6734 Yeah he was playing as LB on the paper but inthe match he was coming at the mid most the ofthe time or as LMC

    • @RenewedRS
      @RenewedRS Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@ahmedasensio1430 no chance Camavinga is top 10

  • @zachharrison35
    @zachharrison35 Před 11 měsíci +103

    They're just exposing their lack of watching the games. Bellinghams biggest test at the club level last year was against Chelsea and he was terrible both legs. Enzo completely dogwalked him in the midfield, enzo is crazy underrated while Bellingham is way overrated

    • @jimsu-whls-1686
      @jimsu-whls-1686 Před 11 měsíci +11

      Enzo isn't uderrated at all tho. He's a CM that cost chelsea 120 mil €, you'd expect him to be good

    • @mikkelandersen2167
      @mikkelandersen2167 Před 11 měsíci +9

      @@jimsu-whls-1686 No way! As a united fan I'd say he's massively underrated no one would mention him in this conversation even though he's class. He hasnt lived up to the expectation of 120 mil price tag youre correct, but chelsea as a unit have all been terrible.

    • @jimsu-whls-1686
      @jimsu-whls-1686 Před 11 měsíci

      @@mikkelandersen2167 tbh I haven't seen enough of him to really rate him. I just remember him being pretty bad against dortmund in the first leg.

    • @jobefarrant6043
      @jobefarrant6043 Před 11 měsíci +1

      oh yh bellingham was not existent in the world cup

    • @jobefarrant6043
      @jobefarrant6043 Před 11 měsíci +1

      gotta look at what hes doing for england aswell surely

  • @othinusz3576
    @othinusz3576 Před 11 měsíci +53

    No, he is in no way shape or form a top 10 Midfielder (YET). Putting him second & above Rodri is absolutely outrageous, well seen that they're all English & Tom the only one who knows what he's talking about doesn't have him in the top 10.

    • @Jalil187
      @Jalil187 Před 11 měsíci +4

      Everything about his list stinks
      Jude is not top 10, Pedri is comfortably top 8

    • @hellohi1445
      @hellohi1445 Před 11 měsíci

      @@Jalil187pedri top 8 is crazy tbh. Kimmich, modric, Rodri, gundagon, KDB, Casemiro, BARELLA, Valverde etc. are above.
      Pedri is up there tho.

    • @AK-bj6fk
      @AK-bj6fk Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@hellohi1445 Modric wasn't great. Even as an RM fan I'll say that. The only Madrid midfielder here should be Kroos and then maybe Valverde. The likes of Odegaard, Anguissa, and stuff are missing.

    • @hellohi1445
      @hellohi1445 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@AK-bj6fk anguissa and odegaard over modric? So ur falling under the recency bias disease too 😭😭😭 that’s crazy???
      Bro modric showed up in UCL, odegaard didn’t in europa…anguissa is good but he’s only done one season. Ain’t no way ur convincing me his Fulham days were better than modric lmao. And modric turns up for Croatia. World Cup semi final. Schooled Netherlands. Like bro..ur a Madrid fan and ur trying to put odegaard above modric?

    • @AK-bj6fk
      @AK-bj6fk Před 11 měsíci

      @@hellohi1445 Maybe Modric should be there lol. But this season was below his usual standard, especially the league campaign and the City match. Understandably so. I’d take out Odegaard then but Anguissa should be there. Best Napoli midfielder in a season they won Serie A.

  • @louis2712l
    @louis2712l Před 11 měsíci +45

    Rice and Odegaard over Kimmich 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @4lj4zz
    @4lj4zz Před 11 měsíci +35

    Here we go again with the british bias. Bellingham must be one of the most overrated players in world football right now.

    • @hellohi1445
      @hellohi1445 Před 11 měsíci

      Bellingham is not overrated bro. He’s one of the few english players who aren’t overrated. He’ll actually reach the heights people are expecting him to reach.
      Just cause a few people on a podcast is hyping him up doesn’t make him overrated 😂

    • @mikkelandersen2167
      @mikkelandersen2167 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@hellohi1445 a few people... are u mad everyone thinks bellingham is the one of the best midfielders in the world, but hes just not

    • @hellohi1445
      @hellohi1445 Před 11 měsíci

      @@mikkelandersen2167 I think him and pedri have done enough to be in those brackets. Pedri definitely. Bellingham just at the edge of top 10. Outside of it.
      Either way, I’m comparing Bellingham overhype to rice. Bellingham will be an all time great midfielder. I don’t see rice being one. People put rice above Casemiro, Kimmich, Rodri 😭 3 of the best CDM’s in the world
      Personally, I have yet to see people put Bellingham above modric, gundagon, de bruyne etc.

    • @jacksonboyd02
      @jacksonboyd02 Před 11 měsíci

      Thank u Bellingham is no where near the top 10 the English bias on him is insane

    • @cavani3948
      @cavani3948 Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@hellohi1445you literally watched a video of him being overrated haha watch him vs chelsea both legs and tell me he's top 10 in world. Enzo schooled him

  • @brodygibson7494
    @brodygibson7494 Před 11 měsíci +14

    Theo's arsenal bias is actually so ridiculous ahahaha

    • @brodygibson7494
      @brodygibson7494 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@123kaired hopefully you can win something with a £1.2Bn squad

  • @santoskircher844
    @santoskircher844 Před 10 měsíci +46

    The fact that barrella was arguably the best player on a team that went to the CL final, and he balled all season long isn’t in any of these lists, just shows the levels of ball knowledge

    • @nniico_
      @nniico_ Před 9 měsíci

      yeah he's fantastic in fifa we get it

  • @Morgalucci
    @Morgalucci Před 10 měsíci +10

    Kroos over Bellingham, but Bellingham is clear of Verratti, especially based on last season. Rice deserves a mention but not a spot and Pedri is easily one of the best midfielders in the world. Bernardo Silva did not have a good season in the prem, only in the UCL. As sensational a player Modric is, he is surely not in the top 10 as of now, he had an average LaLiga performance, and is clearly showing his age. Bruno is a must for me.
    Some honourable mentions for Aleix Garcia, Parejo and Szoboszlai. Maybe even Jonas Hoffman who has been immense in the bundesliga
    Also, Kimmich is top 3 easy rn

  • @taylorbrown1897
    @taylorbrown1897 Před 11 měsíci +16

    Shocking ball knowledge

  • @terminator6829
    @terminator6829 Před 11 měsíci +10

    The english bias was the highest i have ever seen

  • @ellis9290
    @ellis9290 Před 11 měsíci +6

    "a lot of the comments were saying you underrated lacazette" this guy is so delusional it hurts, 95% were bashing him.

  • @PoppinLou
    @PoppinLou Před 11 měsíci +6

    I'm happy for Bellingham going to Real Madrid and there's definitely something there, which must be why they paid the fee for him, but he still needs to prove himself before entering the top 10 list.
    He's mature beyond his years and seems to have a great work ethic, so being at Madrid will be a test to prove how good he is/can be.
    He does need to be careful with his knee, because his career could be diminished.
    I wish him all the best of luck, though, and I hope he goes on to do great things and win trophies.

    • @zaclittlewood7177
      @zaclittlewood7177 Před 11 měsíci +1

      He won poty in the bundesliga

    • @PoppinLou
      @PoppinLou Před 11 měsíci

      @@zaclittlewood7177 I know, which is a great start for someone of his age.

  • @zoot8378
    @zoot8378 Před 11 měsíci +9

    Theo getting all his ball knowledge (very little) from FIFA

  • @BIGDemetrius9
    @BIGDemetrius9 Před 11 měsíci +9

    The fact that none of these dudes put Kroos in there, is atrocious

    • @hellohi1445
      @hellohi1445 Před 11 měsíci

      Midfielders that dictate the game and do the dirty work are often always underrated.

    • @henrymartins4549
      @henrymartins4549 Před 11 měsíci

      Kroos is NOT currently part of the top 10 in the world. He’s slowing down. But others had a better season than him. It’s based on current form

    • @dyingyeetus433
      @dyingyeetus433 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@henrymartins4549are you serious bro, Kroos was literally Madrid’s best midfielder last season by a long shot.

    • @henrymartins4549
      @henrymartins4549 Před 10 měsíci

      @@dyingyeetus433 yes. But he wasn’t their best player. Let’s be honest Madrid last season weren’t really good throughout the season. Yes they got to the semi final of the champions league but the champions league doesn’t need as much consistency as the league. Camavinga and Vinicius were a mile better off than all their midfielders put together. So come again. Stop living in the past

  • @aaronreid6820
    @aaronreid6820 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Theo has never watched Bellingham outside of the World Cup 🤣

  • @byronmcguigan6679
    @byronmcguigan6679 Před 11 měsíci +14

    This genuinely hurt to watch. I felt sorry for Tom having to listen to this delusion they genuinely must not watch the sport 😂

  • @mattwhytehd8291
    @mattwhytehd8291 Před 11 měsíci

    Release the full podcast in this please !!!

  • @adambradshaw4442
    @adambradshaw4442 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Agree with Tom about Modric, has declined this last season or so and isn’t 2nd best itw anymore. I’d say KDB Rodri and kimmich

  • @rock-smasher9692
    @rock-smasher9692 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Most be painful to have to try and debate with Theo and Lewis

  • @abhinavkumar4824
    @abhinavkumar4824 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Leave all that how did everyone forget Bernardo silva (except Tom)that’s so bad man , also how did Lewis not have kimmich wtf bro he had Bruno (not even the right one)but not kimmich

  • @foooj7580
    @foooj7580 Před 9 měsíci +1

    My guy snuck in Odegaard at 6TH and didn't even include Bruno who is 3x the player Odegaard is. Man's living in denial

  • @jimjogger306
    @jimjogger306 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Lets be honest after KDB it doesnt really matter, 2-10 you can swap and change each and every one of them from game to game!
    Toms the only one out of these who doesnt have to google players!
    Verratti is a strange one, Ive always like him but its crazy hes only got 7 goals for PSG in 11 years! To put that into perspective Casemiros got 4 in his first season and he missed about 18 games.

  • @alextromagnetic
    @alextromagnetic Před 11 měsíci +4

    Until last season, Kimmich was comfortably the best DM in the world (now it's Rodri). Rice isn't even top 3 prem CDMs so idk how he's above Kimmich

  • @Gmc10-
    @Gmc10- Před 11 měsíci +15

    Tom is literally the only one with ball knowledge there

    • @EA-hz9mg
      @EA-hz9mg Před 11 měsíci +1

      Veratti 😂 no mention of musiala Kroos Pedri in his list 😂😂

    • @johanliebert6734
      @johanliebert6734 Před 11 měsíci +2

      ​@@EA-hz9mgrelatively high ball knowledge compared to others

  • @braddaberg2351
    @braddaberg2351 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Why aren't the full eps uploaded here?? Much prefer watching a pod over listening to one

  • @rhysdavies8092
    @rhysdavies8092 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Tom is the only one that has quite a far bit of ball knowledge which is what makes this podcast so entertaining. It’s so fun to listen to Theo Reev and this lewis fella’ outrageous takes

  • @tahmid3999
    @tahmid3999 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Overrating Odegard is so weird to the level where Bruno comparisons don't stand. Bruno Fernandes had record breaking goalscoring seasons, last season competed with Kdb on every metric of chance creation, topping some, scored one more than Kdb in the PL. He didn't have the striker to back it with assists. If Theo(who's probably only seen arsenal and England play) goes by Odergaard scoring most goals as a 10, then he should be above Kdb too.

    • @user-io8cm4dk1f
      @user-io8cm4dk1f Před 10 měsíci

      Odegaard isn’t a 10

    • @jackwebb987
      @jackwebb987 Před 10 měsíci

      Odegaard plays much more as an 8 than a 10

    • @tahmid3999
      @tahmid3999 Před 10 měsíci

      @@jackwebb987 I don't think so, he obviously drops down whenever needed to and progress the ball, but so does Bruno. They're respectively both teams primary creators and best progressor, Ode is a much better carrier, Bruno is a much better passer. Both receive high alot too, there was a comparison graph between Kdb and these three by a good acc and they're incredibly similar, more so Ode and Bruno cause they drop more for United and arsenal, but Bruno is a much better chance creator while Odergaard a shooter. Bruno also outright played as a pivot player/6 behind Sabitzer when Casemiro was injured last season. I think Bruno's last season was insane creatively(backed up by underlying stats) but general consensus didn't see that cause he didn't have a finisher to convert his chances to goals. But Odergaard was close too, him Bruno Kdb top 3 attacking mids in the league.
      My issue was Theo dismissing Bruno so easily when it's so far from the truth.

  • @kodymendiola1507
    @kodymendiola1507 Před 11 měsíci +19

    So Pedri, who has won the league this year, wasn’t on Theo’s list. Which is fair. But Pedri not being on the list AT ALL with a LaLiga and Bellingham being that high up without a single league title is criminal.

    • @lenl860
      @lenl860 Před 10 měsíci

      At least Bellingham was the best player on the pitch against City in the CL and was Dortmund player of the season. Broke a Champions League record and was in the World Cup best XI. Whilst Pedri wasnt even the best player at Barca, it was ter Stegen, followed by aruajo, followed by de Jong, Pedri wansnt even the best at a Europa League club. They won the league due to the defence and goalkeeper overperforming.

    • @kodymendiola1507
      @kodymendiola1507 Před 10 měsíci

      @@lenl860 Warra trophy that is

  • @CriticallyAcclaimed
    @CriticallyAcclaimed Před 11 měsíci

    @Pitch Side I don't understand why you don't edit your teams up on the screen as you list them, in post.

  • @daanvogels3787
    @daanvogels3787 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I think Griezman should be a shout, he had an unbelievable world cup playing at cm and at Atletico Madrid as well

  • @Fressivoir
    @Fressivoir Před 11 měsíci +4

    Theo's ball knowledge is horrendous

  • @dmaccers656
    @dmaccers656 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Crazy to say Bellingham can’t pick it up and run too 😂 completely made Kanes goal v Sen at the WC

    • @tahmidahmed7310
      @tahmidahmed7310 Před 10 měsíci +2

      He was implying how poor he is in the first phase not second phase little boy

    • @dmaccers656
      @dmaccers656 Před 10 měsíci

      @@tahmidahmed7310 didn’t ask mate

    • @tahmidahmed7310
      @tahmidahmed7310 Před 10 měsíci

      @@dmaccers656 jus clarifying cos it seems you was confused with your lack of iq

  • @damarcust7186
    @damarcust7186 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Theo asks Tom when he watches kimmich when the only time Theo watches Jude is for england 😭

  • @genozide1996
    @genozide1996 Před 11 měsíci

    At the start it says full podcast on CZcams now? Anyone know where to find it?

  • @maccamorrice3054
    @maccamorrice3054 Před 11 měsíci +14

    Bruno F has the most chances created since he entered the league. No one has created more. If United had a proper number 9 he’d easily have double goals and assists every single season. Martin O has one good season and he’s the best thing since slice bread 😂😂

  • @crxptxc4398
    @crxptxc4398 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Chelsea v dortmund both legs Bellingham was anonymous

  • @bigmanpods8562
    @bigmanpods8562 Před 11 měsíci +1

    The fact that Theo can see this with a straight face is crazy, brings down Arsenal fans in general…No Verrati is horrendous by the way easily the most under appreciated Midfielder of our generation.

  • @jonbon6843
    @jonbon6843 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Bruno Fernandes club stats last season: 14 goals and 15 assists
    Odegaard club stats last season: 15 goals and 8 assists.
    And that’s not even including Bruno Fernandes’ World Cup goals and assists (btw at the World Cup he had the highest rating of any player in the whole tournament- above Mbappe and Messi).
    And this is Odegaard first decent season and Bruno is still better on an average season for him 😂

  • @user-li8ku8ek7f
    @user-li8ku8ek7f Před 6 měsíci +4

    First of all, Jude just smashed Toms list in a couple of months.
    Second, the fact that no one even mentioned Musiala is absolutely criminal

  • @sreedarsanbuddy7495
    @sreedarsanbuddy7495 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Reev list was atleast decent...other two were pretty dumb list😅

  • @Eclipse-pn1sq
    @Eclipse-pn1sq Před 10 měsíci +1

    I feel like Tom rates Kimmicg so highly as well as rice and verratti over Bellingham is because he prefers a more defensive minded midfielder compared to players like Bellingham who pick up the ball and charge at players, also Bellingham’s underrated for his intensity when pressing to win back the ball.

  • @zainshmed9928
    @zainshmed9928 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Great shout for Bruno, toms list is probably the best if he had Pedri in. Gundogan should be a bit higher than 8th, probably 5th

  • @Standard____
    @Standard____ Před 11 měsíci +18

    Theo looked at the FIFA 23 team of the season and put those
    Lewis seemed to have just made it up on the spot
    For me (decided before I watched the video)
    10. Bruno
    9. Modric
    8. Pedri
    7. Veratti (Tom’s opinion is great on him)
    6. Kimmich
    5. Bernardo silva (incredibly underrated Tom again with a W opinion)
    4. Gundogan
    3. Casemiro
    2. Rodri
    1. De Brunye
    And I’m not a City fan I’m a Liverpool fan but the city midfield is class

    • @xD-mk9lh
      @xD-mk9lh Před 11 měsíci

      De jong was better then pedri last seson but stil god list

    • @Standard____
      @Standard____ Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@xD-mk9lh yeah I forgot about de jong I remembered when they mentioned it. The stuff in brackets was when I hear the stuff they said and I added the more interesting stuff about me hating on their stuff at the beginning

    • @eliassohlberg660
      @eliassohlberg660 Před 11 měsíci

      How you leaving out kroos?

    • @Standard____
      @Standard____ Před 11 měsíci

      @@eliassohlberg660 it’s this season, he wasn’t as impressive as any of these players in my opinion and I would even probably put Bellingham and Bruno Guimares ahead of Kroos

    • @jerano4kt
      @jerano4kt Před 11 měsíci +1

      1.Kevin De Bruyne
      2.Luka Modric
      3.Jude Bellingham
      4.Bernardo Silva
      5.Rodri
      6.Fede Valverde
      7.Martin Ødegaard
      8.Jamal Musiala
      9.Frenkie De Jong
      10.Eduardo Camavinga

  • @Faz1e
    @Faz1e Před 10 měsíci +5

    No Barella, Musiala or Enzo while including Rice is crazy

  • @Akan123
    @Akan123 Před 10 měsíci +1

    There's absolutely no reason for Modric to be that high anymore, I'd have Barella in my Top 10 & the 4 City Midfielders(KDB, Gundogan, B. Silva & Rodri) as my set in stone 5 then fill in the remaining positions

  • @kronixone3317
    @kronixone3317 Před 11 měsíci +2

    1. KDB
    2. Rodri
    3. Kimmich
    4. Modric
    6. Bellingham
    7. Casamerio
    8. Pedri
    9. Gundo
    10. Odergard
    Don’t want to put players who’ve been out of position this season like Valverde, Camavinga, Bernardo.S and Bruno.F
    Shoutout to Bruno.G and Musiala

    • @EA-hz9mg
      @EA-hz9mg Před 11 měsíci

      Good list aside from modric. Wasn’t great last season kroos was much better alone

    • @kronixone3317
      @kronixone3317 Před 11 měsíci

      @@EA-hz9mg Modric was the only sceptical one tbf

    • @nottheonefromearth
      @nottheonefromearth Před 11 měsíci

      Bernardo likes to play besides Rodri tho

    • @kronixone3317
      @kronixone3317 Před 11 měsíci

      @@nottheonefromearth he been playing mostly RW and CM

    • @nottheonefromearth
      @nottheonefromearth Před 11 měsíci

      @@kronixone3317 yeah cm is a lil infront of Rodri but that's what I ment

  • @finerz9742
    @finerz9742 Před 7 měsíci +2

    When this was released toms top 10 was pretty accurate

    • @cameronsmith7328
      @cameronsmith7328 Před 7 měsíci +2

      It wasnt he had verrati in his team who has been bang average for psg for years

    • @finerz9742
      @finerz9742 Před 7 měsíci

      @@cameronsmith7328and u don’t watch psg do u, he was class and Bellingham wasn’t doing what he is now for Madrid back at dortmund, he was part of a team that bottled the league and cried all game about it

    • @cameronsmith7328
      @cameronsmith7328 Před 7 měsíci

      @@finerz9742 bellingham is the top goal scorer in la liga and has won the kopa trophy while carrying madrid without a striker. Where is verratti? Got kicked out if psg for his laziness, poor fitness and a decent manager has realise hes bad now

  • @kieranmunson4403
    @kieranmunson4403 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Verratti is so under rated, easily top 10 midfielder in last 4/5 years

    • @EA-hz9mg
      @EA-hz9mg Před 11 měsíci

      @@humorkongen😂😂 facts he’s pony

    • @hellohi1445
      @hellohi1445 Před 11 měsíci

      @@EA-hz9mgVeratti is pony 😭💀

  • @momirgrahovac9657
    @momirgrahovac9657 Před 11 měsíci +1

    FOR ME:
    10. Valverde
    9. Pedri
    8.Bruno F
    7.De Jong
    6.Gundogan
    5.Modric(age)
    4.Casemiro
    3.Rodri
    2.Kimmich
    1.KDB
    Young mids:
    3.Jude
    2.Musiala
    1.Pedri

  • @louissmith3069
    @louissmith3069 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Saying Verratti is even on this list is outrageous, he hasn’t even scored a goal in the whole season and has 1 assist in all comps. He has more red cards than goals 😂

  • @abdim123
    @abdim123 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Bellingham being top 10 is insane. The guy plays in the budesliga and is also about to have a knee sugery at 19. He is also so overrated.

  • @alanmwenda2141
    @alanmwenda2141 Před 7 měsíci +3

    how many are here after bellingham's stellar perfomances
    in real madrid

  • @viktorjohansson8464
    @viktorjohansson8464 Před 11 měsíci +2

    No kroos or Musiala not even mentioned is crazy

  • @MrAxeluberlux
    @MrAxeluberlux Před 11 měsíci

    Bellingham will be fantastic, isn't a top ten CM right now, but will be in the future! Also putting Bruno G there on the basis of Newcastle not being as good as the other teams when Paqueta and Fred start ahead of him for Brazil is bananas

  • @metricer999
    @metricer999 Před 11 měsíci

    should make a managers XI (not including pro footballers that have managed for like a year or 2 (like ole, or viera)

  • @KindergartenKlopp
    @KindergartenKlopp Před 7 měsíci +2

    Listening to the Bellingham debate 3 months later is hilarious. Veratti? Lol. Why not put Kanye in there?

  • @smaugrotwk6510
    @smaugrotwk6510 Před 11 měsíci +1

    For me right now these are the best 20 players in who play 6, 8 and 10. KDB, Modric, Silva, Rodri, Casemiro, Kimmich, Fernandez, Odegaard, Kroos, Gundogan, Brozovic, Foden, Pedri, Frenkie, Valverde, Barella, Bellingham, Goretzka, Kovacic and Verratti

  • @skoppe_8094
    @skoppe_8094 Před 10 měsíci +1

    No kroos is crazy, Pedri as well deserves a shout. Jude is easily becoming the most hyped up player in ages man

  • @WillSavage
    @WillSavage Před 10 měsíci +1

    I totally get why he wouldn't put Bellingham top 10, I wouldn't yet have him in there. But to suggest there is no case to be made for him being top 10 CM is wrong imo. He won the Bundesliga player of the year ahead of Kimmich so there is case that he is top 10.

  • @lukemavrak7775
    @lukemavrak7775 Před 11 měsíci

    Theo where is your Nike bottle from please reply

  • @rogerkim8611
    @rogerkim8611 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Damn they all forgot musiala, guy was the best player for germany at the wc and literally won bayern the league with the final goal

  • @yasir_-2004
    @yasir_-2004 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Tom is definitely the one who has the best ball knowledge among these lot.

    • @nniico_
      @nniico_ Před 9 měsíci

      well he somehow managed to make a list that's worse than theo's so idk

  • @TheCreator1875
    @TheCreator1875 Před 10 měsíci

    Might be a bit of a rogue shout, I watched a lot of Chelsea last season because I wanted to understand their situation. But Enzo Fernandez is bloody brilliant tbh. If Chelsea were less of a mess he’d be in there with a solid shout imo

  • @romn007
    @romn007 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Theo rating Odegaurd and Declan over Casemiro and Kimmich is criminal

  • @michaelboiteau9890
    @michaelboiteau9890 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Tom is normally pretty decent but this was a shocker for him. He hasn't watch verrati in an age but it thinking it's still 3 years ago

  • @libzthemediocrepundit3054
    @libzthemediocrepundit3054 Před 10 měsíci

    I swear I'd lose my mind if i was Tom...hanging with this lot all day😂💯

  • @Shobster123
    @Shobster123 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Tom once again proving to be the only one with elite ball knowledge on this panel

  • @darrenjoffee8813
    @darrenjoffee8813 Před 11 měsíci +1

    As a barca fan, Pedri is easily top 5. Also kroos was way better than modric last season. Fede should no tbe on the list and Tom is spot on about Jude lmao they actually think he is gerrard or something

  • @tweex11
    @tweex11 Před 10 měsíci

    Love how you interact with the staff with glasses, but can you tell him not to just spin a wheel when choosing a top 10

  • @teamrainbow7674
    @teamrainbow7674 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Tom’s list was easily the best and Veratti is arguably a top 3 midfielder of his generation, however he’s not a top 10 anymore I watched a lot of PSG this season (solely because of Messi ngl) and he has dropped off massively recently

  • @TheJsfTV
    @TheJsfTV Před 11 měsíci

    Agree with Tom here 100%. Bellingham is unbelievable and absolutely will be up there, but all these players have been established for years. If Bellingham is that high for Theo and Reev then how is Musiala not also getting a shout. I get he's often played a bit more advanced than Bellingham but I'd still consider him a midfielder. Also the disrespect for Bernardo Silva here is unreal.

  • @evanaskew3596
    @evanaskew3596 Před 11 měsíci +1

    16:06 their faces when he makes that point

  • @sheep3322
    @sheep3322 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Where was Barella in ur lists?!?!

  • @jamescooper3739
    @jamescooper3739 Před 3 měsíci +1

    This could be an all timer clip to return to if jude does win a balon dor 😂

  • @FifaCamszy
    @FifaCamszy Před 9 měsíci

    Fully agree with Tom with this his top 10 was pretty much spot on I’d go Musiala and Pedri before Bellingham as well

  • @Hselym
    @Hselym Před 10 měsíci

    I don’t see why no-one is talking about modric being so high on both Theo’s and Reev’s lists. Tom argued it but if you consistently watch Madrid & Croatia you can see how he’s not the same player which is understandable now but his hyperbole over his international retirement and monumental career takeover the narrative. Kroos & camavinga moving into cm from being forced as a leftback were so much better than Modric + Valverde this season.

  • @De3dSh0t
    @De3dSh0t Před 11 měsíci +1

    For me:
    1) KDB
    2) Rodri
    3) Pedri
    4) Modric
    5) Gundo
    6) Musiala
    7) Kroos (how the fuck was he not mentioned btw??)
    8) Kimmich
    9) De Jong
    10) Valverde
    10th was close could've been Ødegaard, Casemiro and Camavinga as well

  • @Chidi_jc
    @Chidi_jc Před 11 měsíci +1

    My top ten based on last season and quality of play combined and I know no luka but he was even top three in his team let alone the league let alone la liga
    1 KDB
    2 RODRI
    3 Kroos
    4 Pedri
    5 De Jong
    6 Gündoğan
    7 Jude Bellingham
    8 odegaard
    9 Musiala
    10 Bruno Fernandes

    • @siwel7514
      @siwel7514 Před 5 měsíci

      Ah Nice, so Musiala being MVP and demolishing Barca and broke a history world record vs Spain during the WC still puts him below Pedri and De Jong 😂😂😂

  • @Yanited2003
    @Yanited2003 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Just proves how much more elite Toms knowledge is over the other 3 mugs. Bellingham good at picking the ball up in first phase 😂😂

  • @laila5061
    @laila5061 Před 10 měsíci +1

    no bernardo silva and no pedri IS INSANE

  • @urbanflow9383
    @urbanflow9383 Před 10 měsíci +2

    How does Lewis ever get an opinion???😂😂

  • @andrewscott864
    @andrewscott864 Před 11 měsíci +2

    No Musiala mention is crazy