A Deeper Look At The Latest Trinity MTB Gravity Project
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Seeing it work would have been sick!
Thanks for letting me know I can click off this video!
Hi 👋
I love when people push what's possible and think outside the box. However, my BB is the area that takes the most damage during normal riding, and that's where all the business is on this bike. I cant imagine how many rock hit that thing would take where I ride.
I feel like if there’s a way to swing the gearbox above the bb in to the frame and somehow manage to get a decent shock mounting point all in that front triangle, thing would be mint…
I see what you mean. But it is also pretty much the same place as the motor and gearbox on an ebike is placed.
You may not have seen the other pictures but the gear box has a protective shield on it. It is only open there for display reasons. You can fully shield that gear box as much as you want which you cannot do with a derailleur at the back.
I see where you are coming from, but if you ride a bike with 200 mm travel, the bb height is much greater, and it's not usual to hit the bb on the ground.
Unless you 50/50 a feature bad enough, you won't damage it.
@markusilomaki8922 shielded or not, I'm going to hit it where on a normal bike there is air. That usually affects going forward on the trail.
fair play to you Dan Wolfe, great interview & showcase
regarding gearboxes in the longterm; they will be the future when they become light, maintenance-free & durable modular units. Right now these are proof-of-concept frankensteins using existing hardware designs. Given the gearbox can be tucked away from external impacts, there's opportunity to build smarter PTO solutions (e.g. shafts, micro gears, and exotic materials such as carbon fibre and/or belts)
They're definitely on the right track with this, Honda got there 20 years ago.
Just needs enclosing to keep the mud out, and keep a bit of oil sloshing around inside.
cool option, seems like this design would work well also with belts, pinion gearbox with motor etc. depending on purpose of the bike
What’s the reasoning behind the 165mm dimension on the gearbox matching the crank length leading to “perfect balance”? The c.g. of the gearbox isn’t midway between the pedals. The bulk of the gearbox is ahead of the bb. Is it just an aesthetic thing, or is there a performance aspect to it?
Chris
It's a whole load of throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks... Engineering has left that chat 😂
Pinion sort of already solved this with the enclosed gearbox, bathed in oil and belt drive to the tail. Much less of a nightmare to clean, I recon.
You could seal this system if need be and it would most likely be a bit more efficient than a Pinion box. I'd be interested to compare the weight.
@@streddaz Possibly. Hard to beat the instant shifting of Pinion without the need to pedal and 'clickity-clack' back home.
@@lifted_above Yes, this an advantage and to be able to dump a whole lot of gears in one twist, although the manual shifting models don't like to shift under too much load. The only downside over a derailleur is weight, but at least it's centred and not on the rear wheel.
@@streddaz Derailleurs protest about shifting under load too, at least that's always been my experience. I've always let off the torque to snap a shift or two.
@@lifted_above yes you do have to back off a bit. Apparently the new SRAM Transmission can do full power shifts.
Awesome piece of engineering!
Not really, Geez that's what people think 😂
Maybe great mechanical work, but putting the disadvantages (!) of a Pinion and a standard drive together is for sure not the best engineering.
It’s clearly not a production version and quite an early functional prototype. I think it’s great that these guys are giving something completely different a go and thinking outside of the box.
Does it need refinement? Yes definitely!
Is it a good concept? Yes!
He’s trying to solve many issues with most likely a quite limited budget. I’m excited to see this develop! Keep it up @trinitymountainbikes8985
Does the gearbox not easily touch the soil, because the gearbox is far forward to the cranks?
Reminds me of the Archibald bikes out of vancouver
Daniel
I want to know what's going on at the headtube. What is the TRP stamped cage thing for?
Looks like mounting for a steer damper. Theres another piece to it right under the stem
Matt
youtube should do something about all the porn bots...
bb shell as a main pivot bearing solution
Is that a cassette or rock grinder?😂😂😂😂
The true benefit of a gearbox is a sealed low maintenance performance,this whilst machine porn is defeating all that!
But listen to how much he swears - he must be cool and know what he's doing...
You know it does have a full cover? When you ride the bike it's a sealed unit. But here is a box full of gears isn't as cool to look at.
I'm amazed a blind man was able to create something so unique without sight. Fair play.
What about adding a belt drive instead of chains?
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WRP , hitting some big ball shit out the park
Darren
I wish you'd just talked about the gear box more... that's kinda a crazy concept to me.. who's not road a bike in a LONG dang time. But still could.
Please talk more about it, even if it for hours! :)
Daniel
Is there a reason you wouldn't use an internally geared hub and mount it in the center of the bike? Something like a Rohloff
Doing that would be too much simpler, cheaper, more reliable, more versatile and possibly even lighter than the mess they've put in there. They've literally combined the disadvantages of derailleurs (Being out in the open, crappy slow shifting and needing a chain) with the disadvantages of gearboxes (Complicated, heavy, messy chain routing).
Or a Pinion?
@@Surestick88 I guess I was thinking that they wanted to be different and why not use something that is already made like a Rohloff. But if it was me I would have built it with a belt drive Pinion, the new ones with Smart Shift, other than the poor engagement which I hope they fix, are really sweet!
Mike
(beep)box bike!
Honda did this a while ago.
Damn, cleaning this monster from mud and grit will be a nightmare.
Not if / as it is enclosed and sealed.
Been done before didn't take on! One on my mates old carbon frame was build into the frame hidden a
Still didn't take on
How about showing how it actually works, not just a static display?
a bike doesn't need to be this complicated that said, very cool
No and no and no. To answers the questions at the end.
Thank goodness for all the Pinkbike millennials to moan and explain to us what works and what doesn't. You're just a guy watching a video, these people build and ride the bikes, they're not stupid, unlike your comments.
Yes - Nobody should tell the emperor he's got no clothes...
@@peglorgo back to simping for $400 cassettes
@@peglorIronic because all these comments are just pandering to other comments that say the same thing...
@@RC-fp1tl It might blow your mind, but it is possible for one person to simultaneously have no time for bad gearbox designs and overpriced cassettes.
First generation Shimano 3x10 Shadow+ was where bicycle drivetrains peaked in terms of excellent range, chain lines and fully mechanical gear shifts so light it's hard to believe how bad modern stuff is by comparison. $400 should buy an entire groupset, including cranks.
Thankfully Shimano still make 10 speed Shadow+ branded as the XT touring groupset. Just change the 48-38-28 chainrings to set the ratios for whatever wheel size you run to get thousands of miles of effortless, maintenance free (Apart from oiling the chain) riding. Then replace the large and middle rings, chain and cassette (For a lot less than 1x12 wear parts) and get thousands more miles without even touching the indexing.
I've been doing this since that groupset came out as the top of the line MTB setup on one of my bikes. Better than Shimano 2x12, though front derailleur shifts on 2x12 are ridiculously good, and better than 1x12 SRAM I run on another bike, which has lasted well, provided I ignore that I've had to unseize both BB and jockey wheel bearings after muddy spins because the sealing is so bad, when the Shimano equivalents just stay spinning for years.
The shifting has got very poor into the low gears on the SRAM 10-52 because there's so much slop in the jockey wheel bearing, which has barely lasted as long as the chain - usually it takes 2-3 drivetrains worth of wear before the teeth are worn off the jockey wheels enough it starts to affect shifting on Shimano derailleurs.
It's swapping to a Shimano crank and BB and XD driver compatible Sunrace cassette next, because I got the cassette and chain for less than a SRAM bottom of the line 10-52 cassette, and the SRAM chainring and new BB cost such a significant percentage of the cost of an XT crank and BB, I just replaced with the better engineered option.
I actually ride my bikes and wear them out, so if the selling point on a part, especially a wear part like a cassette is that it's shiny, it'll get no shortage of abuse from me.
That's not very sophisticated engineering, it's 1990's level. Vent off dude 😎
A maintenance nightmare
mud ??
Hi 👋
gearbox is the Future,but the big 2(sram + shimano) dont like it, too many profit w rearmags,chains,cassetes etc,etc.
Shimano's Alfine hubs are fantastic - for what they're designed for anyway. I love mine, for commuting, city riding and general messing around, but I hated it for off road riding. SRAM also make geared hubs, so both are well able to make gearboxes if there is market demand for it.
What's missing is a well supported standard for fitting gearboxes to frames, and gearboxes that are anywhere close to the weight of a derailleur setup and make one with shifting doesn't feel stupidly heavy compared with derailleur systems. Ebikes with BB motors have accidentally made a mount of sorts, but it's not a particularly good mounting standard from what I've heard, and ebike frames aren't exactly light.
I'd also expect to see far more support of competent gearboxes (Not the pointless monstrosity in the video here) if buying a gearbox frame didn't automatically paint you into the corner of having to buy one gearbox from one manufacturer that might go bust at any time and make your bike effectively useless I would have at least one gearbox bike already.
Agreed. They make so much sense for off-road. The extra drag is there but somewhat tempered by the efficiency hits chains take when dirty, worn, or in a gear with a bad chain line. We're also at ~40 years of development for modern drivetrains and a lot less for gearboxes in any sort of performance application.
From a competition standpoint it doesn't matter if everyone is on a gearbox.
@@Surestick88 The first bike gears to get popular were Sturmey Archer 3 speed hubs in the early 1900s, hub gears predate derailleurs.
Awesome work, it's a shame they bleep out some swear words.
all that extra crap for more centered weight balance and some less sprung weight? seems silly
Love the engineering but too complicated, exposed and looks a little heavy.
Overcomplicated and heavy. Also, how do you take mud out of the clockwork ?
I've seen one with a cover. Also I don't think it'd be considerably heavier than conventional drivetrain, which has also the weight hanging in the worst place possible.
@@ollialanko699just the pulleys alone would be the weight on an entire bike if not more. No way this system is comparable in weight to the derailleur
@@ryankan1What😂
Gearbox is definitely not the way of the future. Just a whole host of problems associated with it. One being the amount of damage it will encounter in that BB area also with it being wide open. This is a hard pass for me. And having most of the weight centralized there is definitely not a benefit.
Hi 👋
very complicated..
Christina
Looks like a mess😂
what legs lol. looks horrendous. few hours = gen 1 = tiny monstrosity. 1000 hours = current gen = massive monstrosity. Love to see your 10k hours effort. maybe heavier than a suzuki 1000
Ryan
This is just getting stupid. Stop cycling, I want to get off....
Yeah, there's no place for innovation in cycling!
Off ya get then!
Chris