Devlog Ep 24 - Why I'm Going back to Solo Development
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Devlog Ep 24 - Why I'm Going back to Solo Development
This indie devlog recaps the last 10 months since the previous devlog. I talk about game updates, working with the Yogscast for their annual Jingle Jam, and about how I moved back to solo development for the game.
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Wow, this sounds like it has been quite the adventure already. Its really inspiring to hear you push through. Super rooting for you, its always when your back is against the wall it all seems to fall right into place...YOU GOT THIS!!!
Glad to see more devlogs, hoping everything goes smoothly with the baby and with future updates
I for one enjoy the more personal look into the project. I also adore that your daughter is following in your foot steps! I wasn't able to get my daughters interested in programming haha.
Thanks! After the summer camp we haven't been able to convince her to touch game dev again though. lol. She's too busy playing Roblox and Minecraft with all her friends. I'm trying not to push it on her too much, but she's planning on doing the summer camp again this year. : )
Good luck with your little programmers. lol. Maybe some day they'll surprise you!
@@MichaelKocha Has she been introduced to doing development within those games? Making mods for Minecraft and whatever the Roblox equivalent is might excite her! Though it can also be just as frustrating.
@@TrulyTails the games in roblox are made by the players! and it’s a very capable engine. There’s a lot of developers making a living off of it, solo games can make millions of dollars. And they handle all the multiplayer networking, publishing, and all that mess for you! It’s pretty cool. It’s what I use, though I don’t do it as a job quite yet. Roblox scripts are coded in LUAU, Roblox’s version of LUA. It’s definitely a super great place for people to learn game development & coding!
From a player's perspective, I'm more appreciative of your honesty because it enables me into being able to understand what is going on.
I love this project so much, I just wish there was something I could do to be more helpful.
All I ask is you spread the word however you can. Just telling a few friends who might tell their friends helps more than you know.
Thanks for the support!
Excited for the next chapter of Swords n Magic ✨
Congrats again on the upcoming baby, and I'll see you in Twitch chat! 👋
Dev log hype!
I love stumbling across long devlog series like this. It's really nice going back to the the earlier episodes and seeing how the game progresses towards what it is in the most recent videos.
I think in the midst of all the devlogs that keep going up and up and hire more and more people, it's important to remember what can happen when sales just can't sustain a team anymore.
I'm glad you're showing us this transparency, it's important to see something like this.
I'd love to hear from the ex devs on how things are for them.
You should reach out and ask them. I'm sure they'd appreciate your concern. ❤️
I love hearing the stories about your family! To be honest, I didn't exactly understand the decisions that had been going on behind-the-scenes until watching this video, but now I totally get it and agree that your team's decision was the best one for you guys. In the end, this is still a game, but you & the other team members are real people with real lives outside of game development.
All that being said, I'm super excited to hear about the future direction for SnM&S and wish you the best of success this year!!
Awesome progress and congrats on the new baby!
Thank you for the update!
Keep up the great work!!
Congrats! And best of luck with the new chapter.
Congrats to you and the family! Can't wait to see what you all do!
cmon he told no more babies
Thanks for the update, your devlogs are awesome!
Great to see all the milestones you've achieved over the last year. It's a shame to see the project struggling and having to go back to solo but I'm sure you can keep up the great work.
Congratulations on the new baby and good luck with it all!
glad to see an update video Glad to see your still going at it cant wait to see whats to come and congrats on the baby :D
Thanks!
Girls Make games sounds cool. I wish there was a game dev camp for adults who want to do it as a hobby. I'd pay good money for a game dev retreat.
Oh man. I would too! Why isn't this a thing!?
@@MichaelKocha WE all have the power to make that a thing, someone just has to start it!
I don't remember when I bought this game but it was definitely in the same year it came out and I hardly played it back then, but now I'm actually playing it and I love it, especially the building system
Excited to see where this game goes, watching it get bigger from the start has been so cool!
Man, as a fellow UE developer I so appreciate you sharing this and your candidness! I've been on a very similar path of indecision on team vs solo. So nice to see someone willing to show the human and not just machine side of game design.
Honestly I really like working on a team. It's so nice being able to brainstorm and have a partner to team up with when you get stuck. But it comes at a cost for sure. I wish you luck! It's a hard decision.
Thank you so much for this episode.
Its exactly what you said, we are all humans and so are you.
Its always interesting to see how personal life impacts a game dev career.
Take care mate.
Your projects looks damn promising already. I love it.
I can feel you since I am following a very similar path being a solo developer. Never give up!
2:43 Quinn is a good name ;)
Agreed
This is what I want to see!
He’s back!!’
The introduction is incredible! Do something like this for the trailer, and I think a lot of people will buy your game!
Haven't actually played the game, but I have watched all these devlogs and its nice to see what came from a small idea originally turn into something alot more, and I wish you the best of luck
I'm excited to see what comes next! Seems the game has a solid base for its features :-)
Incredibly happy to see these videos back :D
I hope I can keep up with them. This one took me about a week to finish. I did all the editing myself for the first time in years though, so I had to shake off the rust.
@@MichaelKocha it was fantastic and I really hope you keep up with it! Most indie titles I buy are found through CZcams devlogs
Great to see the game going from strength to strength and it's wise to downsize the team to keep going.
Love the personal approach
Think I'll use it mate
Cheers.
Keep up the good work, bud
Nice progress... I like your new magic system, feels much more dynamic now. 😂😂
Uh oh. Did we steal yours?? Lol
@@MichaelKocha nah, just reached the same conclusion. 😂
Wow, the look of the game is amazing! This is the artstyle i like the most. Keep up the great work! 💯
Thanks a ton!
congrats on the new kid! and respect for making hard decisions. I would be so stressed out if I was responsible for other people's paychecks.
I am looking forward to seeing more dungeons. Combat needn't be overly complicated to be fun. Congrats to the two of you on bringing new life into the world!
Also the game needs more necromancy. But I bring that up often enough on the discord. Haha
Soon!
Good update and as a fellow game-dev, I appreciate the personal side of things because it's tough. You're so lucky to have that level of family support. The game has come so far since you first start streaming. Curious as to many content hours you're up to. The world looks massive now.
I know a ton of players have over 100 hours, but I'd wager just doing the quests alone and not stopping to craft or do any grinding it secrets would net you about 25 or 30 pretty easily.
We just got a negative review saying there's no content and the game is worth $5, if that. Lol. So I mean... It depends who you ask.
@@MichaelKocha lol. Haters gonna hate. 25-30 is a good amount of time. Thanks for the response. Look forward to your ongoing journey.
Cant wait to play this
Congrats on everything! Hope the devs that were let go had some kind of backup plan ready to go.
An inspirational and honest devlog
Never heard of this game but it looks great! I'll check it out
Awesome! Hope you enjoy it!
Kids, pregnancy, and the like is all super time consuming. I'm more stoked to hear that you're faring well and taking the time for the kiddo than I'd ever be about the game.
It's exciting to hear about the game camp! Congratulations to the mini for pulling a win! That's super rad!
Glad you're still trucking, dude. Keep it up!
I wish i had a pc😢
I really want to play it
My fiancé and I love playing your game together, I have felt for a long time that the game is heavily underrated on steam. You spoke about the dwindling of sales and lack on income from the game. Have you considered DLC in the future? If not, would you consider adding in cosmetics? Maybe titles you could buy, or mount skins or something like that? I think it would be a great way for you to monetize the game, with little effort or change to game play. I love cosmetic items myself and if you were to do something like this I would definitely get some stuff!
I really appreciate the kind words. We would like to do some DLC, but we want to wait until the game is finally at version 1.0.
Quite some updates indeed, too bad that you had to let go of the development team but good to see this isn’t the end at least :). And best of luck with the new kid!
You know, I am in the same boat. I am still studying but gathered some experience in my 7 years of game development.
Now, since last year, I decided to go together with some of my fellow students and we want to create our own studio.
Our work is chaotic, artistic, funny but also decisive, but I enjoy working with them. However, a group project is something else than creating your own vision. It feels weird and I bet I would feel different with not having uNI in the back of my mind - but working as a team holds a completely different challenge level than working alone. But would I exchange experience with something else? Absolutely not.
My friend and I bought this game when it first came out. I stopped playing it because there wasn’t enough depth to the gameplay.. he kept playing. Recently we gave it another shot after not playing for a long time and I have to say how impressed I am with the progress. So great man. Thanks for this game
I'm glad you gave it another go! The initial launch definitely needed a LOT of work. And it still does, but we're getting there. 🙂
Thanks for the kind words!
What were and our your thoughts on a publisher. This project seems like it would have garnered interest
We spoke with a couple publishers. One was quite a bit smaller and they weren't interested in us until we had a successful Kickstarter. They they were suddenly interested in taking 80% of our revenue in exchange for marketing. The other was a much larger, prestigious publisher known for working with indie studios. We put a lot of effort into working for them but they dragged their feet all the way up until launch and their communication was awful. We ultimately decided to call it quits because we would have had to delay the release just to get a contract signed with them. Which left no time for marketing on their part, which was the big reason we wanted to work with them.
We've considered going to a publisher now for some marketing, but I don't think giving up 50%+ of our revenue would be a smart idea right now considering we couldn't even afford to pay our team and our bills. We're kind of stuck in a bad spot.
Can’t wait for dungeons! but do you have any plans for when a mac port is coming? still waiting to play with my family on windows and mac computers.
We're not promising a Mac port, unfortunately. Their hardware just can't handle the game without a ton of optimization work that we don't have the resources for at the moment. We plan on reassessing at the 1.0 launch to see if we can get a good running port. But we're currently not going to be supporting Mac.
Hey just a tip on the thumbnail: When you use a red border, it sort of appears like the CZcams red bar that shows up on videos you have already watched. Almost didn't click on this video because I thought I had already watched it.
Thanks for the tip. Fixed in the new video. 😉
Hey, Michael, I'm sorry to hear you have faced obstacles that forced you to disband a team I am sure was fantastic, and you have to know you are not alone, in the indie space success comes with great sacrifices, time, and a bit of luck.
Did you consider making a postmortem video or article once the last update is out?
It would greatly help the others that sail upon the perilous journey which is developing a game.
Thanks and have a nice day =)
Definitely planning on doing this. It's been quite the journey so far and there's a lot of places where I could have made better decisions along the way if I'd had more information beforehand. So hopefully a postmortem can serve as that information for others.
Glad to hear that.
Good luck 👋
Is there anyway you are related to the "Raft" game? Some things look really similar to raft, especially the inventory. I really like the art style and hope that i can play the game sometime
Nope. I've played Raft, but it didn't really have much of an influence on my game in any way. I'm definitely not associated with the development of Raft though.
Wait. You donated 50 THOUSAND steam keys!? Surely that completely saturated the total viewers who would've been interested in buying the game from viewing the stream? I'm not a sales guy but it sounds like your generousity cost you significant revenue there.
Yeah I’m not sure how this was meant to be a revenue generation move considering the only options they could purchase after being given a key is a soundtrack and supporter pack. The pack even says its main purpose is to support the developers, not to provide much use in-game
I understand from a surface level this looks crazy but we put a lot of thought into it before we accepted. First of all, we were really just trying to bring some big attention to the game. 99% of those new players had never heard of the game and would never have bought it anyway. Every time one of those players launches the game their entire friends list sees it. Steam also pushes games that are more active and having 50k players suddenly is pretty active. We had a lot of other reasons and did our due diligence first. Overall I don't think it hurt us at all. In the end it just didn't have as much of an impact as we'd hoped.
@@MichaelKocha All love. Wishing you the best for your ongoing development.
Yeah i think I would have donated 10k free keys and then put the game on 50% off for a week instead
@@astropolski We didn't have that option, unfortunately. If we wanted to be featured by the Yogscast in their Jingle Jam we had to pay by their rules.
doesnt matter too much but the red bar at the bottom of ur thumbnail looks like the watch bar and for a second i almost scrolled past thinking i already watched it
Oh right! Good point! I'll fix that and won't use it again.
So I haven't experienced the new tutorial due to having a character well beyond that. Does that affects my main story progress or understanding of it?
We plan on adding a hook on Azura for existing players to learn the basics of the storyline and begin it from there in the case of existing characters and characters who may have skipped the tutorial, which may be an option in the near future.
@@MichaelKocha Cool! Thanks!
Burnout is a serious issue in the gamedev scene and far too common. It already starts to set in during studies and I know (me included) multiple people who are on sick leave due to burnout. Maybe studying and working 12 hours on a game for no revenue at the same time is not a good idea.
Good thing you got through the burnout and you were able to continue the project!
You're not wrong! I've encountered a few cases of burnout from this project and many throughout my career as an indie dev. But this one was by far the worst. It really helps to have some skin in the game when trying to recover. If no one knows about your project and there's nothing holding you accountable to come back to it, it's really easy to just throw in the towel and move on to something new. But that's also a double edged sword. Because knowing people are counting on you can add to the stress and make burnout worse. I wish there was a magic strategy to avoid it, but I think it depends a lot on the person, the project and the responsibilities of the dev. Taking breaks seems to be the easiest answer for now.
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Does your game have dedicated servers? Or does each player essentially create their own local server that other players can connect to?
We support both.
Any plans on accessibility and full controller support?
We have mostly full keymapping support and we address other accessibility options as they're brought up, if we can. Full controller support is planned by the full launch as well. The game can be played entirely on controller right now once you're loaded into the world. We're only missing support on our main menu, really.
By the way, could you tell me how you added your game to the CZcams gaming categorie? I'm also making an indie game, and I don't know how to put my game in it.
I honestly don't remember but I think it needs a Google card to pull from.
@@MichaelKocha Thanks for your answer! I don't now what is a google card, but I'll search. Thanks again!
Idk if this works for your game, but for me I love detail in games, I think if you had a multiplayer area with games like chess, or old fashion games in the tavern area
We've had a few ideas like this. But then it's just making a whole new game inside this game, which is quite a lot of work when the game is still missing so much content.
technically you can already build yourself a checkers arena! I know two of our discord members made one using a lot of crates/small item displays. I believe they're using blue and brown slimes as the playing pieces. I haven't found any items yet that could properly work as chess pieces though.
Yo mister. This game looks sick, I have seen it on steam and I will def get it. I have a little thing, is there any way you can add like a physco graphics setting? I’m talking rtx, godrays and insane texture and what not
Probably not, tbh. Performance is hard enough to manage without people being frustrated that the highest setting won't run on their PC. Besides that, the game is a low poly, cute RPG. I just don't think the effort of setting up ray tracing, etc would pay off for 99% of our players. Maybe a mod could handle this way down the road of modding is ever available.
@@MichaelKocha true p, I might just be a graphics junki xD
I am stuck on the first island and can't PG1 of the Tinker Note. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I have the other two but somehow missed the first.
I'd recommend buying the game instead of pirating it so you can play the latest version. It's far better than the version you're playing.
@@MichaelKocha Got 'em
Please include a year 1 pass or something, so the community can choose to support the game financially. Paying for future content/dlc. Players who bought the year 1 pass would receive additional cosmetics etc.
Definitely an interesting idea. Right now I just realized want to focus on finishing up the content and features we're missing to reach 1.0. Then I think we can think more about how to further monetize and making DLC, etc.
What engine did you build this with
Unreal Engine 4
Yep! UE4.26 - We're using a pretty outdated version because it's a headache to transfer to UE5 due to how robust the project is at this point.
Any plans to switch to UE5? I really, really like UE5. Switching was a breeze but, my games aren't MMO's or online games so, there wasn't really that much to fix when switching. If not, I would recommend looking into changing UE4's theme. There are a few on the marketplace. Dracula (odd name, I know.) is a theme that exists for many apps. It's what I use for UE5, Scrivener, and a few other programs. It's free but, I don't know if they have a UE4 version. Pretty sure custom non hard coded themes was a thing that UE5 added...
Yeah. I really love UE5 and would love to switch. I'm just not sure I want to deal with fixing all the issues and I'm worried about support for Windows 7 and 8. When we went to 4.26 from 25 we ran into a bunch of problems.
@@MichaelKocha Oh yeah, the same thing happened with my games when switching from 4.25 to 4.26. Oddly, switching to 4.26 to 4.27, and then to UE5 barely had any problems. Lots of problems occurred when switching to 4.26. I still have no idea why, haha. Though, most of the games I’ve worked on are still very early in development so, the problems I had to fix were pretty simple. I’d wager that a basically complete game like yours would have many, many things break when switching to UE5. Lighting being the most obvious. Might not be worth it for you but, for me it was. Modern UI and all that. Good luck on your game. I’ve been following it since dev log 3. I kinda don’t like playing games until they’re finished so, I’m waiting until then to play it :D
Ue5.1 has issues with multiplayer, 1 being animation notify replication.
Bug tracker says its fixed for 5.1.1 but from some recent tweets etc it looks like they gonna jump straight to 5.2 tho so yeah might be a little while til we have the fix available through launcher (can already get it through github branch)
What is Kindreds favorite magic weapon?
Good question, I don't really know.
@@MichaelKocha fire staff? 🙃
@@UpsideYonder Oof. Too soon.
It feels like the game is too bright in some sense, the colors are there but they just doesn't pop out, especially during the day time.
Huh. That's the first complaint I've heard about that. The game isn't meant to be cartoony. Maybe that's what you're expecting?
@@MichaelKocha All in all the game look good, I do enjoy the art style. It just seems that some areas are bland or to bright in some sense. But maybe my monitor is wonky. Anyways keep up the work 👍
Great looking game and progress so far, but the title is a little misleading. You are not solo developing if you are a two person team.
Don't know if you'll see this but I suggest not using a red border on your thumbnails as it makes it look like the video has already been seen which may be influencing your views by a small amount :)
Oh man! Someone else pointed that out and I meant to fix it and forgot! Thanks for the reminder!
@@MichaelKocha :) of course!
Loved the devoot, but I question the 50k key giveaway; that seems like A LOT, why not 50 or 100 keys?
Because it's hard to help charity when you only raise $4,000 because only 50 or 100 people can buy the games bundle. We donated 100k keys as a hard cap and they only sold around 75k bundles. Only about 50k people actually redeemed their keys so we cancelled the other 50k keys. This event requires that you donate 100k keys or you don't participate at all.
@@MichaelKocha ah, I wasn’t aware they were sold; I thought they were given away😊
@@nkusters Yogscast personally invites specific indie devs to donate keys as part of a bundle. Players purchase the bundle for $35 or so and get 85+ games. That money is then given to specific charities. The developers don't earn any money from the bundle unlike a Humble Bundle charity event. After taking part in one of these Jingle Jam events I personally think they should give 10% back to the developers of the games because the traffic garnered isn't worth the investment. But that's just my experience.
i aint gon get married after i saw this.
jk thanks for the insight on your personal life, it really tells that not everything goes how we want it to
My wife is awesome though. Lol Why do you say that?
@@MichaelKocha nah man it was just a joke, yk im from india and our parents always joke about how much they spend on us lol, so its kinda in my blood, i didnt mean to offend or stuff i hope u understand, man my limited english will get me cancelled some day
and the second part was about how the game couldnt bring in enough revenue to u know make up for its development, its a common thing for us indie's though, nut i strongly belief that this game is gonna do so well when its completely out
man im sorry again if that stuff sounds wrong, i meant that light heartedly
@@a98k Ha ha no, you're good, man. And your English is great! Thanks for the kind words. 🙂
I know you hate it, but make an iOS / macOS version. There is the audience for this type of game.
The game won't run on Mac or iOS. We looked at Steam stats and about 5% of players use macOS. So we can expect a 5% boost in sales by supporting it, which is a nice boost, but not when you consider how much effort maintaining that build on top of Windows is. It would take a lot of work just optimizing for the platform, and then fixing Mac specific bugs is practically impossible on my 2014 Macbook Pro which can't even open the project. Buying a new Macbook for $2500 to $3k would basically cancel out all the sales for the next two years from Mac users. It's just not worth it, unfortunately.
@@MichaelKocha thank you for the answer. I think you shouldn’t look for steam users with macs. Bring it directly to the App Store, or Apple Arcade. Or the Switch digital store. But it’s not running, ok. Perhaps you should have Multiplattform in mind for the next project.
@@ukyo6195 Unfortunately the entire multiplayer system is built for Steam and would take a lot of work to rewrite it for any other platform. But yes. The next game will have more support for other platforms right out of the gate. That's definitely the plan. 🙂
hi
I beg you add minimap XD
What would the minimap do or show exactly?
@@MichaelKocha For example: you could make a markers on the main map and you will see them on the minimap (you would also see which way the quest would be). Navigation would be easier, in addition, I recommend adding markers where there are crafting tables in the city and other buildings such as INN or Town Hall or bank.
Have you considered a subscription model for this game?
I can't imagine what we could offer players through a subscription service. The game is basically just your typical casual RPG with friends. Not an MMO of any sort. But even if a subscription model would fit the style of the game it's not really something I'm interested in. I think the closest thing to that will be DLC content which we would like to add in order to explore more of the game world and add additional content after the 1.0 release. But we'll see.
@@MichaelKocha that's fair and commendable, I really want this game to be successful and I'd personally be willing to offer a subscription .. I'm already a patron tho so I'm that kind of viewer lol
@@pixeldust8362 honestly the best thing you can do to help is simply tell a friend or two. I really appreciate the Patreon sub though! That's really kind of you.
@@MichaelKocha as a fellow indie it's just cool to see your game come so far.. im optimistic for you and your game. I have shared this game with all my friends and they think it's really cool, they just want to see it exit early access before they dive into it
when this game shuts down, will there be an offline version?
bruh
Tell me you've never played the game without telling me you've never played the game.
But yes. When I inevitably move on to a new project, you'll still be able to play this game all you want in single player OR multiplayer.
I think freemium is the only way to go
I disagree, but I'm curious about what your ideas might be for monetizing the game if I did go that route.
@@MichaelKocha to be honest i don't like most freemium mmo cause they are pay 99 cents for the item You want or grind 10 hours for it, but i do play smite that is a moba and sells cosmétics, it doesnt affect the gameplay. Maybe You could sell houses, lord and lady titles, exclusive cosmetic ítems or mounts. Plus if it's free to play more players would give a try and that would make the pvp more intersting. Take what i Say with a grain of salt i don't really know what's best for You only You do. Best of lucks
Unfortunately this is a dead game now since you off boarded those devs. You simply can’t do this on your own and I told you a long time ago that you need to be pumping out dev logs atleast twice a week to keep this game in the public eye. I wish you the best
When am I supposed to work on the game if I'm making two devlogs a week? It takes like 3 days of work to make one.
@@MichaelKocha Unfortunately, I don’t think you can make this game now. You made a successful product and as an executive you needed to pass the coding and design to some hires and concentrate on creative directing and marketing.
Corridor Digital on CZcams is an excellent example of this. They became victims of their own success and had to pivot in order to continue growing, but this meant they had to give up some creative control. To start, they rebranded their secondary channel from Sam and Niko to Corridor Crew and allowed other, very select, candidates to take control and it has ballooned to such amazing success under the direction of Sam and Niko. Even further than their main channel.
All this to say, you are controlling too much and I think that is stifling the games success. Marketing sells the game and brings in the bucks and you did so well with that making consistent dev logs in the early days. Keeping the game in the public eyes sells copies of your game and further expands your reach.
I’m rooting for you!
Why is your music so loud it can wake up my entire building? wtf
So, under the video there's a little icon that looks a lot like a speaker. You can actually click that to adjust the volume however you'd like.
I mix all my audio properly, so if it's too loud you'll need to adjust your speaker volume on your end.
Thanks for the feedback!
First!
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dogs... rly?
rly.
Why would you make another kid if you don't have enough money to continue developing the game and then frame it like the only way to be able to keep developing the game is by firing your whole development team? Seems so dumb to do that considering the good stuff in your game was mostly done by your team instead of you. iirc from your other devlogs you didn't even know real programming, so how will you finish your game?
Lil bro comparing a new born human being to a videogame 💀
@@userRDSM a sack of meat devoid of thought, easily abortable and just as easily remakeable at a later stage in life vs his lifelong goal of finishing his project, not to mention his obligation to the fans and people that foolishly funded his comfy lifestyle of video game development from home now turned into a breeder. I wonder which one he should've chosen...
@@sbonel3224 bro why are you comparing yourself against the videogame, I was talking about his baby.
@@userRDSM oh did I strike a nerve, breeder? Be sure to apply ice for 15 minutes a couple of times per day.
Excited to see where this game goes, watching it get bigger from the start has been so cool!