Should we get rid of Hadith? Part 6 | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- Should we abandon hadiths altogether? Dr. Shabir Ally explains that the #hadith literature is useful information that we can use to study the past and reconstruct the speech and actions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). This information has been fragmented or distorted slightly, but scholars today can try to adjust the noise. He also explains that the #Quran tells #Muslims to follow the Prophet Muhammad: his function is to explain the Quran.
This video concludes our series, “Can we trust hadith?”
Here are other videos in this series
Part 1: The Anatomy of Hadith: • The Anatomy of Hadiths...
Part 2: The Rise of Hadith Forgery: • The Rise of Hadith For...
Part 3: Problems Arising from Weak/False Hadith: • Problems Arising from ...
Part 4: Is Academic Scholarship on Hadith Legitimate? • Is Academic Scholarshi...
Part 5: Can Ordinary Muslims Judge Hadiths? • Can Ordinary Muslims J...
0:00 Introduction by Dr. Safiyyah Ally
0:19 The hadith literature is important source material to reconstruct the life of the Prophet.
3:23 The Quran commands us to obey the Prophet.
4:06 The Quran tells us the Prophet’s function is to explain the Quran to us.
5:10 The details of worship may have evolved improperly in Muslim communities.
8:19 Muslim and non-Muslim scholars are engaging in evaluation and reconstruction of hadiths.
11:34 More people will start scrutinizing the text of hadiths for reasonableness to counter extremism
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I wish Dr.Shabir is my older Brother or father. He has highest level of the context of each story with high critical thinking in order to reconcile to the new time, place & culture preserving the pure intention.
Thank you dr.Shabir & daughter.
Yeah.Imagine how is in his home.They probably sit all together talking for hours.I wish dr Shabir be my grandfather telling me stories
The Quranic verses quoted in the video do not support hadiths. The Prophet was given the reminder to explain what WAS revealed to the people. This is talking about the " revealed books" before the Quran and not the Quran itself. When we read it in context this will become clear. So the Quran was revealed to explain the true message of the previous books. Moreover, the Prophet was to explain FROM the book and not explain the book. Explaining the book would mean that the book isn't "detailed" itself and therefore requires another party to explain it. This is not true because the Quran calls itself fussilat, detailed. Therefore , the correct understanding is that the Prophet did explain and teach matters to his people but only from what was revealed to him in the Quran. He was not allowed to add , delete or distort the Quran .
actually the Arabic (litubyyna) means to (show) the holy text... because for example ...Jews were (hiding) the holy text ... and Allah told Jews to (latubyyinanahu) ...same root (bayyana) ...Allah does not mean to (explain)..but to (show) and do not hide ...so Allah is telling Muhammad ...(show) it ...do not hide it
Besides Allah SWT says that the Quran is complete it’s easy nothing has been omitted its conclusive and for all mankind for all the time. I personally think like you
to explain from the books and to explain the books means same.. maybe your iq is so high that you could differciate that.
I agree with you, we cannot trust Hadith but Quran only. If that was the case all books will be sewed together along with the Quran
@@marvinjuarez4649 Indeed brother. Moreover, the Quran simply does not recognize any other source besides itself as a source of law and guidance . We only take guidance from it and what it teaches.
Jazakallah dear sheikh, we must escape this narrow mindedness and willing to understand advanced concepts. Your an absolute legend
How can you tell when you've crossed the line between thinking for yourself and putting your opinions ahead of your doctrine?
@@tenzek4635 not my personal opinion, but a reputable scholar. If we analyse the process the scholar uses to get to the outcome and it makes sense and seems correct then we have to accept it, even if the majority dont. We as muslims are seekers of truth, not blind followers.
@Naam Shah my point was we as muslims SHOULDNT be blind followers but instead true seekers of truth. It is an utter shame that people are closed in their minds, especially even when we analyse islam and other religions rationally we find that we are sitting on the true religion of god, the final message.
@@Hamza00011 I didn't mean that question in an accusatory way. That's a reasonable and practical way to go about it.
@@Hamza00011 Thanks. Nicely. Keep an open mind. Abrahamic faiths seem to have the 'truth'. The problem there are 3 parallel lines. They can only meet at infinity - that's where God is, I think. Other faiths are also in parallel lines, bit behind. Islam and Christianity are the leading lines/lights. Today is Good Friday. Soon it would be Ramadan. Ample opportunity to meditate and pray and fast.
Excellent discussion in 15 minutes. Much appreciated, thank you Dr.'s.
Jazakumullah khairan dr Shabbir and the team...for enriching us immensely what efforts r going on to concretize the other important pillar of islam after quran....the science of hadiths..
Perfect. Amazing series. Thank you
thank you Shaik. as long as no law made from hadiths, all the books of hadiths were only similar to the gospels, it describes what the prophet pbuh all about. Quran is our guidance and our beloved prophet brought that
On April 27th, I reverted back to Islam and have been a Qur'anist up until today, after watching this video. The Qur'anic verse is actually (69:9) where it says to adhere to the Call to Prayer on Friday. I only know this because I was so shocked that I went to double check LOL! This opened up my eyes to the Sunnah, where the Call to Prayer is mentioned. Not only this, but I was directed to a verse that mentions "rising from thy sleep" to pray. This brought my attention to more than three Salah in the Holy Qur'ān, despite what I had previously believed. Taking a much closer look now, I found all five prayers.
However, I will continue to proceed with caution and go about this the right way.
@Hamid Read the post again smart one, because I didn't say I found it in the Hadith.
You're the one not making any sense here, so what's your point. Even if I did find it in the Hadith, it's still in the Qur'ān, which means the two confirm each other. See how common sense works? 🤯
@Hamid What are you saying?? I'm not a Qur'ānist! Did you even read what I posted or did you just immediately get triggered without reading the whole thing, and rushed to reply???
@@tyrellrivera I am a muslim who follows the Quran alone. However, I pray 5 times per day in the same manner as most muslims pray. I also fast during Ramadan the same as most muslims. There is something called a living tradition. The salah is part of a living tradition that goes back to Ibrahim. The details of the salah were widely known during the time of the prophet Muhammad(as). People learned the salah by praying with and seeing the prophet pray 5 times every day for 23 years. The details of the 5 pillars in Islam. The Shahada, Salah, Fasting, Zakah and Hajj were all living traditions that were passed down from generation to generation.
I just don't take the hadiths as religious authority. If they have some good hadiths that don't go against the Quran, I will incorporate them. I reject any hadith that contradicts the Quran, that insults the prophet and his reputation, and that goes against reality and reason.
If the prophet was a walking talking Quran then maybe we should All follow suit and be a walking talking Quran but we can't do that if we follow hadith instead :)
Too much logic for these ……
Ffs
Dr has really cleared my doubts.May give us knowledge him ameen.
I loved these series ❤
Dr Shabir is the best Islamic scholar and definitely my favourite, such a good channel
Dr Shabyl has it all answered and hence no need more comments but THANK YOU
Such a quandary. Why in 1400 years have scholars not been able to decide on a legitimate collection of hadith, and what makes the 21st century any different???
They have. These renewed attacks on hadith are by modernist scholars.
The entire Muslim body of scholars from the very earliest times have agreed upon the most authentic collections of hadith.
@@mikk3150 You’re Wrong. Hadith rejection started in the Rashidun caliphate and even scholars like Abu Hanifa were critical of Ahadith. Read Michael Cook’s article called “opponents of the writings of hadith in early islam”.
@@denizisi7245 Oooh that sound like an interesting read.
Well actually these books have never been infallible and criticism to them have been made controversial only very recently.
@@alyzak.8997 Yes it is.
I wish I could this discussion with my father, but he is stubborn. Too stubborn to learn, especially in his 60s. ☹️😞. He is a skeptic of hadiths and modern-day scholars like Dr. Shabir Ally.
I talked to my Granmother today and she told me to follow ONLY QURAN.
Very interesting. Pertinent questions are well answered. The Study Quran (2017) does not seem to mention any of these new authors. Hadiths had given a headache to so many. Shabir has a positive approach and glad to hear "critical skills' are required to understand Hadiths. Yusuf Al-Qaradawi on Sunnah and Israr Ahmad Khan on redefining the criteria for authentication appear to be essential reading to back-up the Study Quran.
MashaAllah a very intelligent conversation
Wonderful video! Thank you.
I'm not a Quranist. I've to say that first as some people here might be rude to me and brand me a non-Muslim. 😔 I follow the Quran and consult authentic Sunnah only. Unfortunately many of us who are blind and do not utilize reason dishonour academic discourses.
I listened to some Quranists' views, spoke to some of them. They never reject the Hadith literatures on a wholesale basis. They do accept those as an academic and historical sources. To do that they consider Sunni, Shiite, Ibadi and other sectarian literatures to obtain a true picture of the history and the biography of the Prophet. They never deny Muhammad (PBUH) as the messenger. They do translate Rasul as messenger not as prophet unlike as done in this video, and which makes more sense to me.
I, personally, am interested in searching for the authentic Sunnah of the prophet via filter of the Furqan (The Quran) as it is the best criterion. And we all agree including Dr. Ally that merciless corruption has been done on our prophet's words. To me, one single sectarian set of literatures is not enough to find the truth, we need to consider all sectarian literatures with equal status in order to find out the true history and biography. We must not forget that these sects were political parties and we all know how politics works. Additionally, anything contradictory to the Quran must be rejected. To do justice to our prophet, we must be extra critical while approaching Hadith literatures as the so called Science of Hadith employed to compile the books is not that scientific and had always been questioned throughout our history by our own scholars.
How does the ( Prophet Muhammad SAW was a messenger not a prophet ) makes sense to you can you explain?
And if that makes sense to you why are you still calling him prophet?
@@the_passenger. I believe Muhammad (PBUH) was both. Follow the video, where Dr. Ally translates the word Rasul as Prophet. I was focusing on the translation in the video. 🙂
@@Conscious_and_Inspired Rasul means messenger who brought a divine message for mankind. All rasuls are prophets but not all prophets are messengers.
@@mainulhaq7603 My brother. You're missing the point here. Follow the video, you will understand what I wanted to say. Or look at my above reply to The Passenger. I very well understand the definition Prophet and Messenger. Thanks for enlightening though. 🙂
@@mainulhaq7603 That's the opposite brother, all prophets mentioned in the Qura'an are Messengers but not all Messengers are prophets.
Muhammad (PBUH) was both as he's mentioned in the Qura'an alongside Adam, Nuh, Idris, Ibrahim, Ismaeel Ishaq, Yaqub, Yusuf... There are 25 of them mentioned in Qura'an that are (اولوالعزم). (Steadfastness, Firmness)
Great scholar. Masha Allah.
I enjoyed this, even though I am technically agnostic! Thanks!
The one thing though I want to remark on is that in verses mentioned here that mention obeying the prophet, the Arabic word is rasul, which means “messenger”. There’s a different Arabic word for “prophet”, which is nabi. My personal view from reading the Quran is that the meaning of that command is to obey God and the message that was given through Muhammad. I suspect that the reason the Quran says to obey both God and the messenger is that in eyes of people of different religions who convert to Islam, just saying to obey God wouldn’t be new instructions to them. To them, they were already obeying God. As I see it, it’s a bit like obeying one’s teacher. When one obeys their teacher, they follow classroom rules, do assignments according to how they are instructed to do them, and so on, but don’t go as far as copying their teacher with regards to their haircut, marital status, what they eat, etc.
This comment is the best I read so far. Changing the meaning of words to sway the people will only turn them back. Our scholars should stop corrupting the books. I am honestly tired of it.
And you're telling here you are agnostic. You know so much and deep info. Better than majority muslims.
@@xurshidbro3670
Lol, thanks:) Yeah, many people, whether Muslim or Christian, rely very heavily on what they were taught growing up and on mainstream narratives about what their religion teaches. And although I'm not very fluent in Arabic, from what I've researched, the meaning behind the Quran is quite peaceful if on reads it in Arabic and understand Arabic. For instance, contrary to popular believe, the Quran doesn't say for a man to physically attack his wife just for disobedience. Chapter 4 Verse 19 clearly says for husbands and wives to lives with one another in kindness. Some have pointed out that the original wording of the verse that is often misunderstood say for a husband to physically attack his wife if she's disobedient may actually instead just be saying to temporarily separate from each other
Such a humble resemblance!
If I'm understanding correctly, Muslims are getting doubts from 'problematic hadiths'. So, Muslims should reject such hadith because the historicity is questionable/ content not reasonable.
However, for matters like how to pray, Muslims should trust the hadith. Because Muslims probably took 'religious-practice-related hadiths' more seriously. Is that correct?
Thank you!
the only thing you should take in life is that paulianity is pure paganism
@@NeoLegendX You are doing what is called a deflection. You ignore the inquiry because you can't answer it.
@@l.quranhubbard5275 Not only this, but how do we know the Qur'an was revealed over 20 some years to one man without the hadith narratives on the Qur'an?
The hadith buttress much of Islamic belief and practice.
U are incorrect. We trust hadith regarding e.g. prayer because they were part of the ‘living tradition’ and are mutawaathir. This makes they completely reliable as there were not words to remember but actions which were passed down in masses over generations
There is something like a living tradition. How to pray, pay zakat etc we learned by our parents. They learned it by their parents and so one. No Muslim has to read a single hadith to be a Muslim. And: they always were scholars who said that they are mistakes in bukhari for example. Why ? Humans make mistakes.
I think we muslim don't use an important criteria. That is the influence of the ruling party at that time. Hasas Farhan al Maliki is specialized in that. I hope you are familiar with his work.
2:34 so I should be comfortable with the skills someone else than The the messenger of God had to tell apart what I should leave or take?
I enjoy your videos alot and your knowledge is above all others. These are the questions I hear from Quranist: Is not the koran more divine than the Hadiths? If so, why can't wisdom not be obtain through the Koran alone?
How do you pray?How do you fast?How do you perform the Hajj? This was taught by the prophet muhammad peace be upon him.
@@TheMiketyson9 Let me start off by saying I'm not a Quranist. But I have heard the answers are in the TaNaKh. I was told by some Quranist that the Prophet Muhammad PBUH followed the ways of the TaNaKh at some point. Especially considering the TaNaKh was revealed by the creator as noted in Quran 3:3.
@@TheMiketyson9 Allah tells us how to do all of those things. Do u even read the Quran? As a matter of fact, since you love hadith so much, which hadith tells u how to pray from start to finish?
At 7:30, there is a mention of a verse from Qur'an, 62:2. It talks about call to prayer on Friday. I wonder what Allah wants us to do on non-Friday calls to prayers.
It doesn’t say Friday it’s “gathering”
@@TheQuranExplainsItself and when is that, day of gathering?
why we assume there is only one correct way of doing things. (call to prayer, prayer etc)
ٱلسَّلَامُ عَلَيْكُمْ Dr
Kindly expand on Mufti Abu Layth and his interpretation of Bukhari.
As usual, very objective and honest, I really wish to show this to the Arabic speaking world❤
Yes, it can lead to lots of real #Reform
@@islamicclarity7062 oh you mean .? Taking all the disgusting stuff and censoring 🤔
@@sundaremmanuel2843 not all, just the problinatic
A lot of Dr Shabir's personal opinions that he's given can seem questionable and some I'd have to disagree with, but his honest insight into the state of Islam and the scholarly structure that establishes prerogatives is amazingly straightforward and quite invaluable.
I think sheikh Imran Hossain has done tremendous work in this field as well. He has written books on methodology For studying the Quran. He has explained how to study the Hadith as well including lot of other work he has done in islamic eschatology
Great scholar,one of the best in our Midst..
Yes. He's very rational, wise, and humble.
I don't agree with much in the quran but dr shabir is someone i would enjoy speaking with, i cannot have but respect for him
There are hadiths that contradicts Quran and shouldn't not act on those hadiths
Muhammad SAW can only say what was revealed to him. Thus the Quran is what revealed to Muhammad SAW and he elaborated what it meant and reflected in his life. He followed the Quran the Best and most correctly as he was given the revelation.
The dude made it as he ruled, conquered, and raped the jahils of Arabia.
Can Muslims turn a blind eye for the hadith where the Prophet, pbuh prohibited the writing down of the narration? Or the hadith proponents are just going to pretend such an instruction does not exist?
Many hadith proponents used 16v44 as the evidence that an explanation of the Quran using hadith is needed. However, did the Prophet, pbuh explained the verse mentioning the expansion of the universe? Time relativity (eg 70v4)? Did the Prophet, pbuh explained that the sun has a fixed/predetermined life ie it will eventually expire? (36v38)
This is why the Quran noted that for every message there is a term (limit) :
Q:6v67 For every message is a limit of time, and soon shall ye know it."
Hadith is situational, today's situation may not necessarily be the same as what happened/purported to have happened previously - the principal of the Message is the main issue.
In today's time/term, it is easily understood that faith (belief) cannot be forced upon anyone (2v256); but many uneducated Muslims, particularly in the 3rd world countries, are stuck with previous (medieval era) term, this is because they were spoon fed with hadiths, and thus failed "to learn wisdom"
Hadith proponents also claimed that hadith is required for us to know prayer SOP somewhat... Does hadith really made Islamic regulations 'uniform'? eg The Sunni & Hanafi even have differences in wudhu and prayer "protocols"
7.05 Is Quranic language is imprecise? The Quran mentioned it was sent down in plain Arabic tongue (26v195). It may be that there are places where the verses are seemingly hard to be understood; so I think that was what Shabir really meant to say.
But the Quran also noted in another verse that it was sent down in Arabic so "you may learn wisdom" (12v2).
When we are teaching children or subordinates, often it is best to say the fewest words but with most compact meaning/message; so they will starting thinking to learn what skills they are suppose to acquire. Rarely could we download
wisdom (or skills) into anyone's head, the person has to think and judge the situation/facts surrounding the issue to be wisdomful. If we keep spoonfeeding people, they will turn into brainwashed zombie like creatures, instead
of becoming wisdomful
Ppl who are brainwashed will act based on emotion/impulse, rather than based on wisdom
39v18 Those who listen to the Word, and follow the best (meaning) in it: those are the ones whom Allah has guided, and those are the ones endued with understanding (wisdom)
I think you have essentially summarised the crux of the problems relating to the dogmatic beliefs in the 'hadiths' and their unfortunate consequences to many Muslim ' non- obligatory beliefs and practices' which have seperated Muslims through various sects and denominations which are really not necessary. Thank you.
But should we use hadith to make laws and fatwahs that go against the quoran because that what the scholars do
With respect the intellectual dishonesty comes from abandoning logic and ignoring various things within the Quran. Allah makes it clear, for those who care, that hearsay is avoided. All these points about 'how' to call prayer and how to pray exactly etc are all irrelevant. If they were relevent Allah would have included it in the Quran.
Hadith by definition is hearsay and it is impossible to actually prove it....ever. Unlike the Quran which is provably accurate.
Hadith-Centric Islam has fallen victim to every previous religion the Quran warns about and corrects. The irony is sad.
Sure...
Yes, it's just a matter of normal thinking. There is literally no way to prove what someone once did or said. It is nigh impossible.
On the other hand the Qur'an is proven to be accurate by science, math and logic. It's already been proven. The other sayings can literally never ever be proven. Easy.
@@Hi-lr1xk How do you know the Quran is preserved?
@@mohamudahmed6554 I'm aware that you may want to say the same exact method the Qur'an was preserved was the way the Hadith was preserved. So how can you exclude the Hadith alone?
This is the same argument every religion makes about their extra books, and that's okay. The best argument for only accepting Qur'an and its preservation is found within it, itself. It's crystal clear, Praise the Creator.
@@Hi-lr1xk No, not at all. I simply asked you to prove that the Quran is preserved.
Why am i asking? Its because anyone that rejects Hadith automatically rejects every single evidence about the preservation of the Quran. You don't know who gave you the Quran, you don't know who the Sahaba were let alone who the Messenger of Allah alayhi salatu wa salam was.
So this very deviant idea you have has always been rejected by the majority and that is for a reason.
So now, before jumping in to conclusion for my part that is, do you have any evidence about the preservation of the Quran? How can you prove that afte the Prophets death, no one tampered with the Quran?
Please, do answer.
Who has more authority the companions of muhamed or shabir ally?
I don't think he's suggesting that you should ignore a statement that you're certain came from such an authority, but that one should be careful when the source is not certain.
@@tenzek4635 is Aisha a good source?
@@StProto I am not sure you're listening.
Once again, I don't think he's questioning such a source. The problem being explored is how you determine that was the actual source.
If I was to make some statement and insist it was from an irreproachable source, you wouldn't just immediately follow it without question, would you? I could be telling the truth, but if I wasn't, you'd be following me instead. It makes sense that you have some responsibility to make an effort not to be fooled, right?
@@tenzek4635is it a story about muhed written by aisha herself or a story about muhamed written by somebody who claimed to have spoken with aisha about muhamed.
I get your point.
My question is how much of anything related to aisha is 2nd or 3rd hand knowledge?
Because if aisha wrote something herself then we can say its real but is it true? Are there witnesses to support aisha if so how do we know?
The bigger issue is if there is a standard for aisha then we have to apply it to EVERY BODY ELSE in islam for the past 1400 years and its not going to be pretty.
@@StProto her own nephew, Urwa ibn Zubayr was 1 of the major sources of narrating hadith from, her, and he was 1 of the most famous scholars of the Tabieen and of Madinah, his father was the famous Zubayr Ibn Al Awwam, his brother the sahabi Abdullah ibn Zubayr, his mother the famous Asma bint Abi Bakr.
Wrt the call to prayer, wasn’t that dreamed up by Zaid and supposedly agreed to by the prophet? So why should we follow this? It’s not required in the Quran. Couldn’t we just as reasonably send a txt saying “come to room 456 and pray”? I am not a 6th century arab, nor do I want to be one nor adopt that culture.
of course
@ Let the Quran Speak: Thank you so much for this series on Hadith - it was very informative. Can you do a similar series on incorrect/misleading translations of the Qur'an? I read the Qur'an side by side in Arabic and English and often notice there are problematic translations especially concerning women. Often the translations refer to women when the Arabic text does not. Or the same Arabic word is used selectively to refer to women (wives) specifically but spouses or pairs elsewhere. It's frustrating and can turn away women who only read the translations. Thank you.
Salam
Prayer and Salat are not the same. Like Prophet and Rasul are not the same. Quran says, " Obey the Messenger (Rasul) and obey Allah" Not obey 'the prophet'
What about Dr. Shady Nasser of HARVARD!!!
Why dont you convert to christianity?
@@josemon5719 Jesus is Messiah in the Quran.
@@StProto but convert to christianity. The true religion
@@josemon5719 tell me why?
The Creator can choose by any means over any time He wishes to preserve His Book and All Truth. So in fact, IF the Creator told us in the Qur'an that the only way it was preserved was by Sahaba then I would follow that. But that is not in the Qur'an.
So those who are interested in fact, can understand that it may be a whim to concentrate the entire faith of the Qur'an on something that the Creator never said.
If you look and read and consider and think....it's clear, Qur'an is the literal Word of Allah. What on earth and in time could EVER compare to that?
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Hi
Without the hadith there’s no prophet. If there’s no prophet Islam becomes a non-prophet organization....
The prophet SAW did his part, by bring the word of Allah (Quran) to humanity. Now its up to humanity to follow the words of god, not hadiths written by people who never met the prophet, nor hadiths that goes against what the quran teaches.
Most hadiths are just a collection of rumors and hearsay. Its crazy how most muslims uphold them to such a high status.
Now we Muslims are confused. May Allah give us right path. For a common Muslim it is very difficult to know which hadeed is athentic.
Then lessen and follow the Qur'an alone
@@Junior-yt6cxif you follow the Quran alone. You won’t be able to extract many things. E.g how to pray, how many rakat to pray & the time period for the prayers. Simply I say you study the Quran first and foremost because anything that contradict the Quran, must b rejected .From then on, study hadiths & see if they align with the teaching of the Quran.. those that do , take and implement such . And those that don’t, don’t take them .
This is scholarly issues
Muslims should alone focus on essential practice
Which in the following verse doesn’t apply to the Quran?
[62:2] He is the One who sent to the gentiles a messenger from among them, to recite to them His revelations, purify them, and teach them the scripture and wisdom. Before this, they had gone far astray.
May Allah forgive all believers
ameen amigo
@Justinthe Comments Allah knows best and Truly Forgiving
@Justinthe Comments why don't you find your way to a masjid and get ur answers face to face ?
@@shazgq There isn't one in many places. Trying to find one reasonably close in most states of the US can be a challenge.
@@tenzek4635 All muslims turn towards the Holy mosque. Irrespective of race or gender, and free of discrimination. You can turn to the holy Makkah now and ask for ur forgiveness and guidance
Originally I believe there were over 600000 hadits so how can I believe. For me the great Quran is enough.
The Quran says obey God and the prophet. Of course we should obey the prophet. Why, because the Quran was revealed to him to pass it on to us as guidance, healing, good tidings and warnings. What do you expect God to say. So God is saying obey me and the prophet because it is the word of God that God wants us to know, no more, no less, no additions, no deletions. We have to follow what God gives to our prophet and not to follow what the prophet does. That's pure common sense and reasoning.
Quran uses the word Nabiyy and Rasool in many of the verses - while those verses could point to Muhammad (pbuh), that does not make it necessarily so, otherwise, those verses would have directly put Muhammad's name there and then. Most Muslims take what their clerics say what the Quran mean, not what is written there in the Quran.
The Quran does not tell is to use any other outside source so please don't take "obey the messenger" out of context
The Quran is extremely precise and sharp. It directs ıts words to all people with a healthy mind and a minimum of intellect.
YES
This is the problem with people today. Everyone thinks they are an expert on the sciences of hadith and what is or isn't authentic.
People here barely understand the basics, yet they think they are qualified to speak on probably the most difficult branches of of Islamic knowledge that exists.
No respect for the work of established giants of this Ummah who have literally written the books on sciences of hadith and that work which goes into it.
Arrogant laypeople who have no Islamic education beyond the Quran classes they went to as a kid, suddenly think they know better than the the hafiz of Quran, the Imam of Hadith, Imam Bukhari himself. They critique his compliaiton.
I mean the audacity of lay people to think they can critque the works of people who devoted their entire lives to the Quran and Sunnah. It'd be like a high school student critiquing Einstein's general theory of relatively.
This rhetoric doesn’t make sense.... it’s conjecture and fabrication is not truth...
Either you listen to Allah... al Quran or you do like the Jews and Christians and follow Hadith and pre Islamic traditions
Dr. Shabir mentioned making a determination of which hadiths are to be considered authentic. Before this is done, shouldn't it be determined which of over 24 variant Qurans used throughout the world is the authentic Quran?
Nope since that is not the case. It's still mindblowing to me, that people who can't even speak, read or understand modern day Arabic try to teach people about the Arabic language. The different Qiraat are still not different texts with different contexts, but y'all can continue living in your phantasy world.
@@mertmeh Please review Dr. D Brubakers book on the variant Qurans. He does understant the Arabic language and shocking revelations about variant Qurans are yet to be revealed.
@@byip2415 There are no variants of Quran, unlike bible, which comes with new edition every yr! I am still waiting for 2021 edition!!! Knowing Arabic does not make you expert because Arabic used in Quran is different than modern day Arabic language...also, dude is Chrstin so he will likely lie because according to him, he thinks highly of 'New Testament", which has been changed by jrk jamez!! TLDR: this guy is a lying l-sr, so nice try hehehe
Stay in fantasy world heheheh rtrds!!!
@@byip2415 brubaker is a joke. The Quran across all variant reading says the same thing, therefore not problematic at all. These readings were approved in early islam. However brubaker tries to bring forward new variants which have been debunked as being scribal errors. Nice try Brubaker
@@Hamza00011 Question….how is it that there never was (or will be) a Quran found written in the current language usage of Mohammads time period ? Not only are many variants Qurans different in wordings but also found to change the theological meaning of the text! It is unfortunate that the early Muslims burned all the manuscripts in afeeble attempt to justify a single Quran.
The problem is, people are very biased towards certain hadiths.. Calling Bukhari's and Muslim's are 100% true, though there are numerous questionable hadiths in there.. Even questioning scholars of the past is considered to be taboo.. In the world we live in today is built by questioning the best scholars from the past like Newton..
I'll give you some examples..
BUKHARI HADITH: Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299:
Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:
(on the authority of his father) 'Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her." 'Aisha added, "None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could."
BUKHARI HADITH: Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).
While in the Qur'an
002:222
"And they ask you about menstruation. Say: It is a discomfort; therefore keep aloof from the women during the menstrual discharge and do not go near them until they have become clean; then when they have cleansed themselves, go in to them as Allah has commanded you; surely Allah loves those who turn much (to Him), and He loves those who purify themselves."
That's just one of the example of some problematic hadiths compiled by Bukhari.
I never heard anyone said Bukhari and muslim is 100% authentic. We said bukhari & muslim is most authentic of all hadith collection book.
@@janokjaran then why all the hadiths in Bukhari are all deemed authentic by scholars?
@@monkeluffy445 never heard that.
@@janokjaran shouldn’t the same criteria for rejecting the New Testament Bible based upon contradictions and later additions be applied to Hadith? Especially Bukhari and Muslim since they are considered the most authentic but with contradictory narratives within them?
What do you say to a Christian who point out the contradictions in Hadith?
@@Sean_78 hadith are not the direct word of God, but the NT is considered God's word and holy. That's the difference
Noooo of cos not
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Obey God and obey prophet,is it not shirk.Is Prophet One with Allah.?Follow Allah or follow Prophet?
The Revelation is from Allah, its given to the prophet.,. He just gives the message...
itss toooo cute to see a father and a daughter doing Q&A. Sister safiyyah is cute and a carbon copy of sheikh shabbir ally..
may Allah bless both of you.
Sister a question to you😀
Does your facial cream contains stearic acid?
Fear Allah brother
why you asked that bro..
Did i say anything wrong.
She wore a make up and alnost every make up creams contain stearic acid which is produced from fat of a pig..
@@saifislam1293 lower your gaze
@@saifislam1293 Majority of facial creams are vegan at the present time!
Bro a question to you! :p
Does your head contains brain or its empty?
@@Ar-bp2wl hahah.. thanks brother for the enlightenment..i was unaware about it.
Dr Shabir mistranslated *Rasool* as *Prophet* , whereas it should in fact be translated as *Messenger* which is inextricably tied to the Message i.e. the Quran. A subtle but important distinction.
What is the difference between Prophet and Messenger? Please don't take this as argumentative. I am a non-Muslim just wondering about the terminology.
@@tenzek4635 all messengers are prophets, but only prophets that are sent with a Book are messengers.
@@MrMShake Did you mean to say that only messengers sent with a book are prophets? It seems like you might have said that backwards.
@@tenzek4635 no. I meant exactly what I said.
@@MrMShake I apologize for the confusion. I phrased my question this way because I came across another conversation where Muslims explained the precise opposite, and their way made more sense to me based on their explanation and my own understanding. I was just trying to clarify which way was correct.
Reasoning, this is Dr. Shabir's problem!
Reasoning is a variable matter from person to person from mind to mind, from society to society, and from time to time, it is not a fixed matter, not only this, but it can even contradict, what is in an age or society is an acceptable and normal matter that may become problematic in a different era or society.
I do not understand how the commands of Allah and the Messenger can be weighed by your own reasoning!
I hope that Dr. Shabir will pay attention to this big mistake.
9:26 This is the right person and the right way Doctor.
Alright but you were not alive at the time of the Prophet (ﷺ), so how did you know to pray five times a day, and about all these other living traditions?
Through Hadīth 🫡
Like you said, they were passsd down... through the Sunnah. No matter which way you try to swing it, it always falls back to Hadīth.
The man made hadith total about 1.5 million hadith and if you count the number of people who have contributed to these, you will get a total of 500,000 different people!! This is a massive case of Chinese whispers!
The issue with hadith, not all, but many, is that their advice and rulings differ from the Quran!
It is not necessary to say that we have authentic hadith and weak hadith and even fake hadith. The issue is why even the need for man made hadith when the Quran Itself negates any other source.
The Quran in several places warns against hadith, other than the Best Hadith i.e The Quran.
Sadly, Dr Ally the verses you have quoted to emphasise that we are told in the Quran to obey Muhammed and that the Quran states that he was told to explain the Quran, is completely erroneous.
Firstly, the Quran does not say " obey Muhammed." It states " Obey Rasool." Linguistically there is a massive difference between the choice of words, which Allah swt has deliberately chosen the word " Rasool."
Secondly you quoted a verse that states that our beloved Prophet was told in the Quran to explain the Quran. This is wrong. When we read that verse ourselves we find that it is Allah swt Himself who when sends a verse, has also given the explanation. The word He, with a capital " H" is referring to Allah swt and not Rasool.
There are many verses in the Quran that state that the task of Rasool was to Deliver the Message = THE QURAN. Further verses state that he was not to explain the verses, this task, we are told, in the Quran, lies with Allah swt.
Another verse: When visiting Rasool, do not stay unduly long, wasting Rasool time or waiting for a hadith.
The only Wahi is the Quran, our beloved Rasool was not sent to deliver and narrate his own hadith!!!
It took 23 years to Deliver the Quran, in stages.
A quick calculation of the time taken to deliver and recite and write down all the 1.5 million hadith that Muslims have come to know, shows that another 20 years, day and night, continuously would be needed just for these hadith!!!
If Mercedes bring out a futuristic car that comes with its own instruction manual, why would we trust a Mercedes mechanic who states that he has produced his own manual????
The Quran IS THE BEST HADITH.
77:50. IN WHAT HADITH AFTER THIS ( QURAN) WILL YOU BELIEVE?
Many hadith are the reason why we Muslims have become ridiculed and in fact become trapped very easily, in an illogical, fairy story version of Islam that our Creator certainly did not intend! We have been duped into accepting secondary sources. This position we find ourselves in, is exactly the same as the Christians who instead of having the Injeel of Hazrat Eesa, have, instead the 4 Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John.....
Bukhari et al!!!
By the way the books of hadith are NOT, the books of Islamic Jurisprudence!
The Quran talks extensively of Justice, Adil. Yet, are Muslims aware that not a single hadith talks. about Justice!!!!
As a Muslim, I believe that the hadiths don't have any religious authority over Muslims. It is clear that the hadiths were not revealed by Allah subhanahu wataala. Allah subhanahu wataala revealed only truth. He never mixes truth with falsehood. The hadiths have truth mixed with falsehood. Dr Shabir quoted partial verses out of context. For example he quoted 16:44. The actual entire verse says the following.
43. We did not send before you except men whom We inspired. So ask the people of knowledge, if you do not know.
44. With the clear proofs and the Zubur (previous scriptures) and We revealed to you the Reminder, that you may clarify to the people what was revealed to them, and that they may reflect.
The above verses do not instruct Muslims to follow anything in addition to the Quran. Verse 44 is a completion of verse 43. 16:44 was showing the messenger that Allah subhanahu wataala was dealing with him in a way similar to the way He did with messengers who proceeded him. The Prophet himself followed the Quran.
As far as the prophet explaining the Quran. Allah subhanahu wataala revealed what the messenger's duty was in 5:99.
99. The Messenger’s sole duty is to convey. God knows what you reveal and what you conceal.
Allah subhanahu wataala said that He is the One Who will explain the Quran in 75:16-19
16. Do not rush your tongue with it, to hurry on with it.
17. Upon Us is its collection and its recitation.
18. Then, when We have recited it, follow its recitation.
19. Then upon Us is its explanation.
The Quran is a detailed and sufficient as a guide. 12:111
111. In their stories is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not a fabricated tale( حَدِيْثًا يُّفْتَرٰى, fabricated hadiths) but a confirmation of what came before it, and a detailed explanation of all things, and guidance, and mercy for people who believe.
Follow not your forefathers.
actually the Arabic (litubyyna) means to (show) the holy text... because for example ...Jews were (hiding) the holy text ... and Allah told Jews to (latubyyinanahu) ...same root (bayyana) ...Allah does not mean to (explain)..but to (show) and do not hide ...so Allah is telling Muhammad ...(show) it ...do not hide it
Major Prophecy Fulfilled God's Messenger of the Covenant
[3:81] "GOD the Most merciful" took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterward, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you."
Rejectors of "God the King of the Worlds's" Messenger of the Covenant" are Disbelievers.
[3:82] Those who reject this (Quranic prophecy) are the evil ones.
Sure... Maybe don't sweep it away... But consider the gravity of spreading falsehood. Would you bet your soul on the credibility of hadith? Shabir says that the Qur'an tells us to follow the prophet, but the Qur'an also reminds us of that it is a COMPLETE book of guidance that does not need to be abridged. So which is it?
If Quran does not cover some subje ts that does not mean it is not detailed. It means Allah sent it to us this way. Quran is for all times and no one knows what will be on planet in 500-1000 years. Unfortunately, hadith are written by people and should not be followed. Hadith causes split in islam to different mashabs, because some mazhabs consider some set of hadith as genuine and others other set of hadiths. They divide muslim. Shaikh brings example of prayer, but even prayer is done with differences between mulims of different mazhabs and shia as well.
Allah gave al kitaab to all prophets and messengers. No where in the Quran allah says he gave four books.
Verse 62:2 is referred to the coming of the Messenger, the Messiah and Imam Mahdi.
Are you crazy
@@TheQuranExplainsItself why don't you read the verse yourself.
@@camilla_cruncheee [62:2] He is the One who sent to the gentiles a messenger from among them, to recite to them His revelations, purify them, and teach them the scripture and wisdom. Before this, they had gone far astray.
That’s Muhammad dummy
@@TheQuranExplainsItself before you call me dummy read and understand. It is a prophecy within the Ummah of Muhammad SAW that is to come as a reformer or arbitrator to guide us from the error we have come to after the demise of Muhammad SAW.
This is a beautiful prophecy in regards to a prophet coming from our ummah. Allah has clearly stated that “And among others from among them who have not yet joined them” Allah shows us that in the end times people who see the Holy Prophet(saw) who are not with him yet. Now one cannot take this literally because the Holy Prophet Muhammad(saw) himself did the commentary of these ayahs when they were revealed upon him.
Can't believe you still think these hadith have in authority in islam
Can somebody explain how the perfect, uncreated, eternal, divine Word of God came to depend so heavily on such unreliable human materials?
That's like saying we shouldn't depend on the Arabic language to understand the Quran.
Context is important, and that is where the Hadith come in. If the Quran mentions call to prayer, wudu or praying it self. You can find these are elaborated there. It's like reading the Quran in Arabic and looking up the dictionary for the word. Should we neglect that it's God's word because we need a dictionary.
We need more scholars like this man not brainwashed uneducated molvis.
It would be amazing if the Quran itself was enough for the Islamic theology/practise and there was no need for all the Hadith, like in case of the Bible in Christianity. Unfortunately, the Quran is incomplete/not self-sufficient, so rejection of the hadith-books would mean rejection of over 50% of Islam and make the religion collapse in practice.
These Quranic verses day otherwise.
“Shall I then seek a Judge other than God? When it is He Who has revealed to you the Book fully detailed?” (Qur'an 6:114)
"We did not leave anything out of this book." (Qur'an 6:38)
"We have cited in this Qur'an every example for the people. But the human being is always most argumentative." (Qur'an 18:54)
"Alif Lam Ra. These are the signs of the Scripture, and a clear Qur'an." (Qur’an 15:1)
I think we should not get rid of Hadith but we should keep them in a museum.
Hadith is as important as the quran in Islam
@@eltrueno8528 who the hell said so?
@@bilalamarumosi8282 allah and literally all generation of muslims
@@eltrueno8528 really? Where did Allah say that?
@@bilalamarumosi8282 do you know arabic?
Father and daughter
Recontruct the hadith? By present human wisdom? What a joke
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The Quran is complete and the word of God, the prophet peace be upon him didn’t allow anyone to record his sayings or actions, if he did we would have sayings from his life and not complied 3 centuries later. As such they can’t really be validated.
The Quran is a complete works and all that is needed to be a Muslim, there is no need for Hadiths.
This is a man who says hell 🔥 is not forever contradicting the Quran when it clearly says that the people sent to hell 🔥 will ask to be killed yet the Angels will tell them this is where you shall dwell forever and ever.
No
Brother Shabir, Do not be chicken when I mentioned that you have to have a face to face debate with Imam Karim Lewis to discuss about Hadith if you feel that you have the evidence that most of the manmade Hadiths are right. Imam Karim Lewis rejects all manmade Hadiths. From the outcome of the debate, we will be in a better position to decide which is which. Unfortunately, I do not have a beard, wear an Abaya, a sock, a topee or else I would have challenged Imam Lewis if I am confident. If I am not confident, I will stay put. Be brave brother Shabir
@@kellyqb3073 This is not an order, it is a challenge. If you are confident as an Imam that you know well the Quran, then go for it. You should not be selective in choosing who you are going to debate. Imam Karim Lewis did invite knowledgeable Imam to come and prove him wrong. Brother Shabir might have a problem with interpreting the arabic language. Be a man and defend the religion of Islam. I know Brother Shabir will have a hard time with Lewis.
You guy Kareem Lewis came to dawahwise stream a few weeks ago to defend the Quranist position and was too agitated to even have a meaningful dialogue. He kept shouting at the panel members because they were exposing him. If that's the main guy you look up to then sorry for you.
@@imammamunu9537 His problem is he gets upset easily but what he did put forward as far as the Quran is concerned is true. Why don't you not upload the Dawah that you mentioned above so that we can have our own opinion instead of following the opinion of others.
@@zozoconde4623 I watched the stream myself and u can see it if you search for dawahwise on CZcams. If I may ask you how many times do you pray daily
@@imammamunu9537 Right now, I am the regular Sunni and I pray 5 times. I know where you are coming from but when Allah says that the Quran is complete means that there is no additions , deletions after the revelations. If you feel you are knowledgeable in Islam, you might accept Imam Lewis invitation in a live debate . I am not that knowledgeable. Since a long time, I had doubts about the Hadith what was related about the past. For example, Aisha was 7 years as per Bukari when she married our prophet, stone to death for adultery as per hadith and it's only the woman who is stoned to death while the man gets away, but the Quran says 100 lashes for each. 72 Virgins in Jannah. Where did they get that. The list goes on. Surah 9 V 34 talk about how many scholars will mislead people, so how could we believe them. Surah Yaseen 36 v 21 says follow those who do not ask of you any payment. Surah 7 v 185, it says what statement hereafter will they believe. The Hadith are statements coming after the revelations. We know for a fact that the Quran is Allah's word and we do not have any single doubt. It could be that we do not understand something from the Quran does not mean that the Quran is wrong, it is us who do not have the knowledge, like one student of knowledge says that there are holes in the Quran but I am sure there are holes in his head. Anyway, Imam lewis arguments tend to make me ponder and I was thinking that somebody could challenge him after being a Sunni since I was born. The Quran keeps saying follow not your forefathers.
Hadiths were written hundreds of years after the alleged death of Mohammad in 632 AD. How could one put faith in man-made biographies (i.e. hadiths) which were written hundreds of years after the death of Mohammad?? Can the Quran be understood without hadiths? Does the Quran rely on man-made hadiths in order to be understood? If hadiths are necessary to interpret the Quran, should hadiths be considered holy?
Hadith history does not begin with Bukhari. Hadith were written down during the life of the Prophet sallahu alayhi wassalam by his sahaba. We have manuscripts that exist of the student of Abu Hurraira which line up with hadith we find in Bukhari.
We have manuscript of muawtta of Imam Malik dated to his lifetime, and he narrated hadith directly from the student of the famous sahabi Abdullah ibn Umar ibn Al Khattab.
So stop peddling this lie they were written down centuries later. No they weren't. that is literally hadith 101, which you can find if you make an effort.
@@mikk3150 Fasinating! These hadiths must predates any known copies of the earliest Quranic manuscripts! I am sure they must be under lock and key in some museum for proof and safe keeping.
@@byip2415
www.islamic-awareness.org/hadith/hadith.html
www.islamic-awareness.org/hadith/perf731
And no, the earliest known Quranic manuscript is the Birmingham University one which was revealed several years ago,
Verse 4:59 says “obey Allah and obey the Messenger (rasul) and those in authority among you.”
Not the Prophet (nabi). This makes a big difference because it points towards following the revelation (Quran). Furthermore it says and obey those in authority among you. Certainly this verse doesn’t refer to following hadiths. If so, God would have clearly said that.
I do think it is ok to study Hadiths for historic purpose but not for a religious one.
I noticed that mistranslation too. It says to obey God and obey the messenger, not the prophet. Ongoing the messenger just means to obey the revelations they received. I suspect the Quran add for believers obey the messenger in addition to God is that simply obeying God would seem like new instructions in the eyes of Jews, Christians, and people of other religions. To them, they’re already obeying God, only instructing them to obey God would be unnecessary.
I challenge you dr shabbir to produce one single HADITH where it explains SALAH from start to finish and i will revert back to SUNNIE. I promise you there is no HADITH explaining SALAH ITS A FACT do your research and stop the lies and fear ALLAH.
there are hundreds of fabricated & fake Ahadees in Musnad imam Ahmad , Abu Dawood & Tirmizi # there is a Hadees ( i have to confirm who narrated ) that prophet did not pray taraweeh ( قيام اليل ) in Ramadan except for 3 or 4 days & even in those 3 or 4 days Prophet did not pray taraweeh in gathering it was the Omar bin Khattab who created 20 ركعات taraweeh in gathering behind imam # this Hadees clearly declares that Omar bin Khattab himself did not obey the Prophet & created new prayer method #
The term used in this video " Quranist" seems to me as if such people are to be frowned upon.
This is a very sad stance to take.
As Muslims do we believe in Allah or not?
Did Allah send down the Quran only, as a blessing and a mercy for the whole on mankind?
The only Wahi is the Quran!
At the time of Rasool, the sahaba used to have a slogan when they were informed of other sources of information. The phrase:
" Hasbuna Khitab Allah."
SUFFICIENT FOR US IS THE BOOK OF ALLAH.
If you wish to label me as Quranist, then I wear the badge proudly.
Firstly I am MUSLIM ONLY, neither sunni nor Shia nor wahabi etc.
Secondly I am Quran Centric.
We are sorry for hurting you and misrepresenting your perspective. May Allah strengthen our understanding of each other and help us to grow alongside each other in His way.
@@QuranSpeaks
I would like to thank you for a prompt, courteous reply. Jzk
@@QuranSpeaks humility is commendable: no one has a monopoly on truth!
Quran has no contradictions and every world is true, Hadith contains some that are no legitimate why should I trust such a books?
Why not call your selves a Muhammadan. Like Christians call them selves a Christian. Christ follower. I'm not really for the hadith I'm simple minded I like just one book and that's it. I would hope that the Quran was directly handed to Muhammad by jibreel since Muhammad was illiterate and did not know how to write. My point is to praise God not in the name of Muhammad but to just praise God.
Another holes in the narratives
Lots of holes that can never. be filled. I would like to call it holey (unholy) Quran.
Rubbish(gohaf) metshaf seytan.
Holes in your brains rather to not being able to think intelligently and reasonably
@@koolersoul7674 . If you are okay, why are following a thief instead of Jesus?
@@ebenezerobez2771 Jesus (pbuh) is not the last and final messenger of God. Jesus himself said that there will another who will come with all truth and that was Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)
@@koolersoul7674 . Jesus said he will send the Comforter, who is the Holy Spirit. Is Mohamed Holy Spirit?
The god DELUSION. RICHARD DAWKINS
Even if the Islamic concept of god fails to match reality, at least here we have people who are trying to improve their way of dealing with the world. Whatever ideology one follows, regardless of its basis, if it shares that goal isn't it worth some support?
DAWKINS DELUSION 😂
I always found this business in Islam of "weak" hadiths, "medium" hadiths, "strong" hadiths... perplexing, very smelly and dodgy.
And Mohammed not being a real person at all is the neat answer to many of my questions.
If 80 % to 90 % of the hadiths were supposedly thrown away because they were false, why should the other hadiths be any more credible? It makes sense that all 100 % of the hadiths were somehow invented.
I can see that if a huge volume of King Arthur's "hadiths" had come along in an era without Internet, TV, radio... people would have taken it as true. No problem.
The hadiths were invented by people who needed them for a particular purpose. And then, over the years, some but not all of the contradictory hadiths were eliminated.
This makes a lot more sense than the "standard narrative".
The holes in the standard narrative show now a pattern that makes a lot more sense than the standard narrative itself.
I just want to ask you a really honest question, Did you even listen to the video? It is a truly a sad thing to reach to such an absurd conclusion with no substantial knowledge in the subject you are stating your conclusion in. The most impressive thing in Hadith's science is that they were able to sift through all of the hadith's to remove all weak hadiths' that were stated by people that were trying to make a living and to only keep the mutawatir and hasan hadiths' that were stated by honest and well meaning people. Unfortunately, you like to stay in your oblivion and just want to stay in you bubble, and only accept ideas' that support your side. Sadly, in the end of times when we all will die, we will regret the decisions that we took because we didn't want to face the truth and we didn't want to face the consequences that might arise if we accepted Islam as the true religion. May Allah guide us all and may Allah have mercy on our soul on judgement day.
90% of them were not thrown away.