GNU/Linux Isn't The Worst Name Stallman Gave Linux
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- We've all heard the name GNU/Linux, I think it's a terrible name and I won't use it besides when mocking it but that isn't that worst name that Richard Stallman has suggested for Linux, no there was another name Lignux
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LiGNUx just sounds like a Ligma joke, aged like milk
stallman died of LIGNUX
LiG Ma NUx
Damn...you were fast. I was going to make the same comment. I want a LIGMUX distro now
Sounds like some woke pronoun nonsense 🙄
LIGNUx how awful, I certainly dont want to LIGNUx!!
Honestly... why did nobody ask the real question... "Do we want our OS to be called Lick Nuts?"
ligmanux
Not the first time we hear Linus talk about GNU/Linux name making sense if GNU had an actual Linux distro. And now it actually does exist and is called Guix, which sounds kinda similar to Freax which is pretty funny
but in the case of guix I think it is from GNU or is closely related, on the other hand the rest of the distros are mixtures of GNU with other libraries or they do not even use GNU directly xd
@@damianateiro FreeBSD uses stuff from other people as well, so… it's not allowed to have its own name either?
@@formbicombining GNU/Linux is stupid. Not every distro uses GNU. What most people are speaking about is unix style OS tooling like OpenBSD, GNU, BusyBox, etc. They all rely on Linux and the minor differences between the apis don't really matter.
FreeBSD distros are still Linux distros and id refer to them as "Linux"
@@ImperiumLibertas None of the BSD's use Linux as their kernel, so no.
@@formbi They already hired you but Linux being only a kernel you can use the libraries and components you want, on the other hand the bsd are not Linux they have a completely different kernel the issue is that (despite what the bsdcucks say xd) these systems They depend a lot on Linux for the user interface, that is, the BSDs have 2 or 3 DEs and many apps and drivers are ports or directly use part of the Linux kernel to make them work.
Lignux sounds like the setup to a deez nuts joke so glad that didn't become the name
That's exactly why I wish it HAD become the name.
Deleted my comment about this, as you said it much more simply. That's what I heard when he said it, too.
I use Linux, specifically Fedora Linux. People call me Bob. If I did my own version of Linux, I could call it 'Boblux' or simply 'Bollux'...
The latin word "lignum" means wood. "lignux" would therefore mean the wooden operating system.
mmm thats nice. Maybe a nice robust ebony
There was a Debian Woody release :-)
would be a nice addition to my wooden pc
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as the wooden operating system, is in fact, GNU/wooden operating system, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU+wooden operating system. Wooden operating system is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
As a Aprentice in Forsetry The Name For Linux gnu/Lignum that is a great Name May Make a Sticker with this writen on it i The Style of forest Service sighns in Swizerland.(Considering Designig one.... i The Style of The Chanun Grishun)
LiGNUx could be pronounced exactly line Linux, with the reasoning if the G is silent. Just like some suggest a silent G in GNOME. Between LiGNUx and Linux the only real difference is the G.
The G makes it sound like a Lick this nuts joke
No one will assume the G is silent.
If you start spelling words in a stupid unintuitive way you invite people to pronounce it however they think it makes sense. Much like Mate and GNOME
ah you beat me to it..
@@BrodieRobertsonI mean, mate is an spanish word for argentinian tea so it's not a weird pronunctiation
I low key want to make a distro without any gnu tools and call it a "linux minus gnu" distro. Just to annoy the gnu people.
tell them that you use Alpine or any distro with musl and that's it xdd
Just make a alpine fork that only changes "alpine" to "Linux less GNU"
alipne
alpine linux
And lots of embedded systems with BusyBox. For example, OpenWrt has no GNU code unless you go out of your way to install it as extra packages.
The fun part is that GNU is slowly being phased out of Linux installations...
No it's not.
I will use "Linux", thank you very much!
I'm glad GNU helped so much but I'm not going to waste time and confuse people just to be right.
yes
GNU didn't help. GNU was there and Linus used it. If GNU wasn't there I don't know what may have happened. Linux is a serendipitous thing. Various things had to align for it to be. Not the least of which was GNU being too ambitious and failing to make a practical kernel.
@@1pcfredI always like the argument of:
Well Xorg, Wayland and the Systemd suite are a pretty huge part of modern Linux, shouldn't it be called Xorg/Wayland/d/GNU/Linux?
@@hopelessdecoy X is a part of various BSD systems too, why are they allowed to have their own names but GNU isn't?
@@formbiGNU does have it's own name though.. It's GNU. Might be misunderstanding what you're saying though.
This is insanity, it's like Linus Torvalds losing sleep over people calling Fedora just Fedora instead of Fedora Linux. Imagine saying Fedora GNU/Linux or Fedora Lignux, it's a travesty.
fedora+grub+systemd+wayland+kde+gnu+linux
@@Tweaker420666That's why when someone asks what operating system I use I just send them the neofetch combined with pacman -Qe
What about those of us who don’t run grub? /runs/
A lot of people asked "Linux or GNU/Linux?" but no one asked the real question - "who cares?". Not rhetorically at least
It matters because Linux includes Android and GNU/Linux doesn't.
@@warmike and why it matters? I see no difference either way
Calling it LiGNUx disenfranchises users of Alpine Linux, which doesn't include any of the GNU core utilities.
They mean specifically for distros with the GNU utilities. So Alpine Linux would be pretty much the only OS called Linux.
@@harrygenderson6847 Huh. The stuff quoted in the video said only 15% of Linux used GNU anymore. That seemed odd to me, too.
Is busybox GNU?
@@harrygenderson6847 don't forget about an obscure OS with a tiny market cap called Android
LiGmacs
Linux GNU Emacs
idk man, Stallman is widely known as a crazy person, and most people wouldn't stop to think about how he would never use imgur. Honestly if I thought about it I would just assume somebody re-uploaded it there.
All that to say, that presentation was entirely believable in my eyes. Nothing was said that I can't see Stallman saying.
RIP Richard Stallman, who died of Lignux
What's Lignux? Is that related to bofa?
@@CptJistuce Bofa? Are they the brother of Ben?
@@thyTwilightGoth2 I think they might be related to the greek scholar Sacodez, actually.
I think most people will start to realize they're being trolled at "Niglux".
If I ever make my own distribution, I'm going to fork the kernel just to call it Ligma and the userland portion will be called Johnson.
I suppose the pronunciation is supposed to be Liñux, as in spanish. GNU is supposed to be pronounced Ñu as in the spanish name of the wildebeest, the projects mascot, IIRC from a talk that rms gave here in Venezuela a good 10 years back or so.
Like in lasagna
@@ColonDee. Exactly
Interesting. I went to one conference he gave in France, something like 15 years ago (the guy speaks fluent french, by the way), and I remember him being pretty adamant about GNU being pronounced /ɡnuː/ with a hard 'g'.
Quoting wiki here: `Puesto que en inglés americano "gnu" se pronuncia parecido a "new", Richard Stallman recomienda pronunciarlo con una "g" no silenciosa para evitar sugerir que se trata de algo nuevo. En español, se recomienda pronunciarlo "ñu" como el antílope africano, o bien fonéticamente como en inglés.`
Then he goes on saying that the only wrong pronunciation is "linux", because the man is stubborn as hell.
Exactly, it was a bit of linguistic foolery consistent with RMS' previous writing.
4:11 "So to not split split the community in two, we should sever it down the middle." XD
0:42 Oh god that second paragraph 💀
"The shortest legitimate name for this system is GNU" - the hypocrisy of saying the "Linux" part could be dropped altogether while trying to convince people to say "GNU/Linux" is astonishing. Just, wow.
They're convinced that GNU is an OS by itself
@@BrodieRobertson That's what I hurd.
lignux ON DEEZ NUTZ
I was thinking the same thing
Lignux can Lig my nux
Xunilung is my proffestional recomendation for the new name.
The year of dekstop Xunilung is upon us!
The free software Foundation believes in Freedom as in free speech we are using our freedom as in free speech to say just Linux
RMS when people use their free (not free as in beer free as in liberty) speech to criticize him:😢😢😢
It's possible to believe in free speech AND call a GNU system with the Linux kernel GNU/Linux.
@@neusprach it’s a Linux system with the gnu utilities
@@Natalietrans So it's Linux/GNU?
Freedom of speech only applies to software. Language is solely defined by the FSF and no one can use words in a way other than the one they defined.
I love this! I swear until my dying days that if I ever get admonished for saying Linux as opposed to GnuLinux I will immediately fire back with Lignux whenever they say Gnulinux.
It's because of Stallman that if I ever do a *nix type kernel it shall be called Fsck_off or as I've taken to calling it Fsck_off/GNU because we all know the kernel is more important than the userland.
Both are important and are useless without the other.
If you cannot compile your kernel you can't run it either. RMS did write make and GCC too. So there's that.
Lig on these nuxes!
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Lignux, is in fact, GNU/Lignux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Lignux. Lignux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Or LiGnununux for short
And that's why software developers are terrible at choosing names that roll well with public appearance.
If one is taking credit, Stephen C. Johnson worked on yacc, lint, etc.. Yacc was reverse-engineered to be GNU bison by Corbett and Stallman, and is used to create the parser in bash. So does that mean that every LiGNUx OS that contains bash has a virtual Johnson?
Feelosophy of bit banging
Mate you want to talk about the wine Wayland project from Collabora. In short, Collabora devs have already complete an driver to have Wine programs (in specific Games) use Wayland instead if Xorg.
It was completed a year ago. The main developer of the project is now doing slow merge requests (7 out of 12-15 parts) so half of the driver has been already accepted in the Wine project main branch.
Out of curiosity, I know *weston* exists; can one use it to run Wayland applications on X over the network?
Interesting. Been using Linux since 2000, at least for my own systems. I didn't know about the Gnudea of pushing Lignux as a name.
While I understand the concern of the FSF that their 'contribution' to the Linux OS might get forgotten about. These days, GNU isn't very visible to your average user. I personally don't use Emacs very often anymore, Todays users are much more focussed on their desktop Uis, and have been for some time.
If we tried to acknowledge every project that went into Linux, the name would be far more ridiculous than even GNU/Linux and would probably look like the identification code stamped on a crate in the same huge government warehouse at the end of 'Raiders of the Lost Ark'.
KDE/X11/Mesa/GNU/Systemd/Linux
Not many people know this, but the 'RMS' in Linux stands for Richard Matthew Stallman.
I feel like at this point phoronix is like the kinda crummy villain that always tries to make an entrance at the end of every episode but immedistely gets shot down
Out of the loop-what's Phoronix done? I've just been using them for the Phoronix Test Suite and keeping up-to-date on kernel changes, so this is the first negative I've heard.
@@GSBarlev its just that in most of these videos brodie goes to the phoronix comments and memes on them
So now I know where the ligma meme came from. Thanks RMS
I installed Linux Mint on my fathers laptop a year ago. He's happy using it but he keeps calling it Linus instead of Linux which I think is rather funny.
The only reason Stallman insists on it, is because he’s pissed Linus got there first.
Piers Anthony is an fantasy author from Florida in the U.S., probably most known for his Xanth books. They are filled with a lot of puns.
The line "my mundane name" might be a reference to Mundania (the name of the "real world" in the Xanth novels).
@@Mycohl I thought so, too.
I call it Linux cause I'm not a fuckin nerd
I am a nerd but not that kind
Or someone that actually does any development
@@dashcharger24 make sure you screenshot this sick burn and email it to Richard Stallman
So next time RMS complains about everyone calling it "Linux" we can all just say: "No, no.. that's correct! It's LIgNUX - the G is just silent"
I'm literally crying tears right now. Lignux?!?!?! Every time Brodie said it, I started to wheez. Had to pause teh video multiple times because people are looking at me funny. LIGNUX 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Piers Anthony: an SF/fantasy author with a tendency for puns. "Mundane name" is borrowed from SCA terminology of the era (there's a different term nowadays).
I hurd you like operating systems, so you'll luv LigNuts.
RMS was pushing a linguistic pun, the pronunciation would have been the same as Linux, hence the Piers Anthony reference ( an author who also used linguistic puns).
He was very interested in clarity in efficient use of language even though it often backfired. Consider his interest in nouns ( "pers" specifically ).
I do think it was silly.
Linux is a great name. This obsession is pedantic and stupid. It’s Linux. Let’s leave it that way. Lignux is the dumbest name I have ever heard, well, other thanElon’s kids’ names.
Stallman ya oaf, ya missed the boat.
Ya already got gcc, ya already got gimp, ya already got gedit, should've gone for 'Glinux'
I can't believe you got through recording the entire video without mentioning how close "lignux" sounds to "licknuts". Literally all I could think about during the whole video.
Someone should do the Watchmen ligma meme with Stallman's face badly superimposed over Dr. Manhattan's.
Oh, and title the video Steve Jobs/Ligma.
The way Brodie says LiGNUx in this video sounds like Lignuts! 😂
Deez Nux
I actually cannot stop thinking on the ligma meme each time I heard him.
@@thingsiplay ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Now I've "Lig-Nux" is stuck in my head--thanks, Brodie. I may have to eat a toenail to reduce the stress.
I was so sad when I heard stallman was diagnosed with lignux 😢
...😈
Stallman: Well we did consider the name LiGNUx…
Users: LIGMA NUX
RMS got Ligma?
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation. Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ. One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you? (An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example. Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it. You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument. Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD? If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this: Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag.
We need pins and forks on this.
Shout out to all giga cycle aficionados.
why Android not called Linux distro? calling whole thing just Linux is unfair, as if only all works credited to only one person
No idea if it's a copypasta or not, betting that it is. Cause otherwise, I know rms wouldn't use google services and see this yt video
If this is your own words, respect. On RMS, he's been nothing but a legitimately crazy dude with serious paranoia and other issues. Someone tolerated at best and despised and ignored at worst. He made some good things like gcc and gpl sure decades ago, and he deserves respect for those, but him as a public speaker is not someone you wanna listen to. If everyone outside of the Linux bubble heard what he was like, Linux and foss would lose respect and recognition from him alone
@@SeanSMST You must be a bit nuts to make something extraordinary, in any field, in any time.
That's just how things work, prove me wrong.
1996 and Linus is making fun of Hurd. Amazing.
It's so sad Steve Jobs died of lignux
truly chad response from Linus
9:53 it sure does exist! and still holds old Linux kernels. Ain't the Internet a beautiful thing? :D
Lignux balls. Ha, Stallman
Better than eunuchs (unix).
Btw I use arch gnu/linux
The thing all these people fail to understand is that the name "Linux" is too widely used and too popular, and honestly too catchy (at least in comparison to any other alternatives) for it to ever go away. No matter how much push is made towards any new name, the regular people out there in the world already know it as Linux (even those who don't use it have at least heard that name) and that's not going to change. It's so engrained that it doesn't even matter anymore which one is better, or more right.
Any such discussions are unproductive and useless (except if you like this kind of debates that have no chance of going anywhere). It's too late to change it now. It's been a long, long time since that boat has sailed.
There is a good point in there, stuff like this fragments the community, which has been the bane of Linux and one of the biggest barriers to people switching to the system, and is something that a has also plagued android too. Division and fragmentation makes it all that much harder for the system to become fully integrated.
That being said in my personal option, Linux is Linux, GNU contributed to packages but were not the sole originators of the kernel or the organisations that codified what makes a modern OS. Attribution in the code is important as well as respecting licenses, but as far as I know there’s nothing in the GPL that compels you to use the name of the originating organisation in the name of derivative works.
I feel in my personal option that GNU might have been irked that Linux beat them to a goal they set out and put work into creating, and wanted a slice of that recognition. At the end of the day, we’re now over 30 years past the origination of Linux, and so many others have contributed to it now that singling any one organisation out is just egotistical.
Stallman is such a snowflake. I'm not going to downplay the important role he played in the world of FOSS, but he is just such a whiny baby.
He really should say something about the Red Hat situation...
I don't deny his contributions either but the guy is the exact extreme as Microsoft or Apple but instead of being proprietary it is FOSS
@@damianateiro Don't get me wrong, sometimes you need that attitude, but other times you don't.
@@cameronbosch1213 to a certain extent yes but he wants software freedom when it suits him, a person has the right to be whatever he wants with his software that includes whether it is proprietary or not, stallman doesn't want that just FOSS or you are like his enemy xdddd
@@damianateiro RMS is intelligent enough to grasp the big picture. As time moves on Information Technology just gets more important in our lives. If all software is proprietary that becomes very problematic. As you cannot know what is happening to your data. Who may have access to it, etc. Or if it is even your data at all.
I wouldn't doubt he has that first card with his picture just to hand out to people.
Stallman is a brilliant fellow who developed some incredible software, which we all have used with Linux systems for decades. Kudos to him. But in his later years - actually, even in his middle years (1996?) - he kind of went off his rocker. That this issue is still being debated is nuts. Just my old (71) opinion, having watched this from afar for many years.
I can't fault him for that, everyone has a few screws loose. Isaac Newton was a big fan of alchemy for instance
@@BrodieRobertson why Android not called Linux distro? its not about good name or bad name, but how you properly respect and credited the works.. calling whole thing just Linux is unfair, as if all works credited to only one person
all gnu software users uses gnu software for free forever, why not give them proper credit, its not about good name or bad name
@@finleadat this point all software is made using other software and most of it includes libraries or tools but you don't put the name of everything into the software you make. If your software is open source and other people contribute you still get to name it, it doesn't take away from their contributions.
You credit the works by including whatever license and credits text you need to to comply with the licences of the components you use.
@@101Mant Ariadne Conill, developer and security chair of Alpine Linux, has stated that in her opinion GNU/Linux is the correct name when referring to Linux distributions that are based on glibc and GNU coreutils, such as Debian and Fedora Linux. This can be contrasted to other Linux distributions which are based on bionic (Android) and musl (Alpine).
"To conclude, it is both correct and important, to refer to GNU/Linux distributions as GNU/Linux distributions. Likewise, it is important to realize that non-GNU/Linux distributions exist, and are not necessarily compatible with the GNU/Linux ecosystem for your application. Each ecosystem is distinct, with its own strengths and weaknesses." -Ariadne Conill
Tbh, PC/Server Linux is very different than say Android. GNU/Linux is the coreutils package -included in every PC Linux system- (Okay it looks like I was wrong about that). Android runs the Linux kernel, but it's drastically different. I think GNU/Linux makes sense if you want to differentiate the two.
Maybe I am old fashioned, but I always thought that if you create something you get to name it. Thanks to Richard Stallman I know know that you can rename something someone else created without their permission. So, because GNU would not exist if not for UNIX and UNIX was created by AT&T I demand that from now on everybody must call "GNU" "AT&T/GNU" and correct anyone using the "wrong" name as often and annoyingly as possible. I am also thinking about renaming Brodie Robertson to Brodie "Awsome" Robertson. Post your favorite new names for existing things in the comment below!
GNU is a free reimplementation of Unix, not a modification of it (and it mentions Unix in its name anyway)
GNU already references UNIX. GNU stands for GNU is Not UNIX.
GNU's Not Unix, though, but almost every Linux system is a GNU/Linux system.
@@formbiSo it's a bootleg Unix?
LOL. This could go very far. Like, what about the contributions of IBM? Herman Hollerith? How about Charles Babbage? Or, screw it, St. Augustine, and, ultimately, Jesus Christ, so you get Christ/Augustine/Babbage/Hollerith/IBM/AT&T/GNU Linux or if you want something shorter, ChrublMA&GistnegeithUx....
GNU/FSF folks should chill out. I'm also not calling my system KDE/Linux, despite making heavy use of KDE components.
Ligma Nux 4Evah!
It’s a silent g (like align). Lignux is pronounced Linux. But this is a silly semantic debate. It’s just Linux.
Strange that GliNUx was never considered, but Ill admit lignuts would have been funny
Stallman didn't like it because it didn't have GNU as a whole word, it was broken up by Li
9:49 Maybe Linux itself isn't on that FTP server anymore, but several distros are.
I worked for the FSF in the early 90s. When rms made this suggestion all I could think of was lug nuts, and to this day that's all I can hear in my head when I read lignux. GNU/Linux is just fine.
uhmm... now that I think about it, wouldn't Alpine Linux be a GNU-free distro?
Yes
I propose we call it LIGMAx
That reads like it is secretly Speed's long lost brother Rex Ligma.
"Lig my nux" - Richard M. Stallman
I love it! I will use LiGNUx exclusively going forward.
the problem with the video title here (this time) is that stallman never gave linux it's name. so this is a misinformation / fake news
DeArrow
The title is accurate, stallman never gave the linux kernel its name, but he has attempted to give what most people call linux (a collection of operating systems) several names, including GNU/Linux, GNU+Linux, and LiGNUx
@@aDifferentJT almost smart enough to understand the topic (but not quite). not smart enough to understand what actually constitutes disinformation. a collections of things is not a singular thing. that singular thing is linux. it's not just a kernel, it constitutes a complete operating system. pls stop with the hazing now, thnks.
The GNU/Linux name came from stallman, what do you mean?
@@BrodieRobertson well i was perfectly clear the 1st time:
"the problem with the video title here (this time) is that stallman never gave linux it's name. so this is a misinformation / fake news"
Of course, "nux" is Latin for "nut", so... lig on deez nux!
You know, if You swapped most of the GNU utile for dash and busybox or hotbox on my personal system it would take me a long time notice. I don't actually use the command line for much these days except occasionally compiling things.
The desktop environment is a far more substantial part of what differentiates OSs for most users, and it's also a lot more code. You don't see anyone calling for it to be GNOME/Linux or KDE/Linux.
I just ...
Can't hold my laughter ...
😂😂😂😂
I laughed way too hard at the "niglux" joke.
Sorry :p
I read it as /liŋuks/ (french « gn ») before realizing RMS wants it to be “lig-nukes”
Is this the oldest deez joke? Have we found it?
Of course, Linux is a way better name, but if you were deadset on including GNU in the name, I don't hate LiGNUx, provided that is pronounced some other whay than in the video. The G is often silent in some words, like "gnome" or "gnostic". The name of the gnu (the actual animal depicted in the GNU logo) is actually suposed to be pronounced like "new" or "noo", so there would be precedent for pronouncing GNU this way. Alternatively, in words like lasagna, as welk as in french words, "gn" makes a sound similar to the spanish ñ, so it could be pronounced something like Liñux. Besides, on the tech comunity is not unheard of pronouncing things in a somewhat unintuitive way,. Who can forget about LaTeX, and the GIF vs JIFF pollemic? And all of this ignores people who speak different languages, and for whom the current name is already phonetically inconsistent. Spanish speaking people (for example) understand that MIT is suposed to be pronounced like "Em-Ay-Tee", and not like "Meet", and that SQL is pronounced "See-Kyuel", even though it is phonetically inconsistent with their understanding of language, so there is no reason not to expect people to pronounce a word a certain way if need be.
How much do you want to bet that RMS orders a "hot dog" and not a "cellulose encased emulsified meet sandwich"?
what you're referring to as GNU/Linux is in fact lignux
That is too close to ligma!
Ligma Linux!
Lignux looks to me like the g should be silent. Maybe with a slight glottal stop.
On a side note, the Hurd kernel is now usable, and you can get Debian, Arch, and Guix system running on Hurd. If it ever does become popular, I wonder what that may do for the Linux / GNU/Linux / GNU + Linux debate.
In the footnote of the article RMS put: "copyright richard stallman". CopyRIGHT? Heresy by RMS himself?
Honestly I just realized that it's probably supposed to be pronounced Leenux, given that Torvalds said it was punny. In Swedish (which to my knowledge is a mandatory class in Finland), Gs can often be pronounced like a soft j/y sound.
That is absolutely correct.
I think Linus native tongue is Swedish. Some parts of Finland speak Swedish instead of Finish.
@@user-xs1cl8ie9w Yes, it is. The mother tongue of about 5% of Finns is Swedish. They mostly live on the south and west coasts.
Ah yes, GNU+Linus ❤️🧡💛
What about the other important parts of the system? I'll have to call my system "SystemD/KDE/Pacman/GNU/Linux"
GNU is the principal project, it's the most important contribution. Hence you must mention GNU and later add secondary contributions if you wish.
@@fury999_ I don't think so, most GNU tools are replaceable
@@circuit10GNU is not a toolset it's the project that started out to create the operating system, for that they wrote whatever required to be written. Linux kernel filled the last gap in GNU operating system.
@@fury999_ OK, but the thing that project produced is a set of tools that are replaceable and not exactly an essential part of the OS
I hate GNU/Linux, or GNU+Linux. Or whatever. Linux isn't just GNU. Lots of it is, but there's lots of Apache, MIT, BSD, and tons of other software that we all use that have absolutely nothing to do with GNU or the FSF.
To say other open source software projects have nothing to do with GNU and FSF is pretty short sighted if not downright ignorant. RMS came from MIT. So that's why MIT is even on your list. The guy is the cancer that made FLOSS spread like it has. He's an autistic nut but he's also right.
The very OS you are using would never exist without GNU
Of course Stallman would be a double space after a period guy. It just makes total sense.
What about the GNUme desktop environment?
one day gnu will be rewritten in rust under the crab god's mit/bsd-2 licenses
tbh i do not understand the h8 rms is getting. i think he deserves the praise for being one of the founding fathers of the concept "free and open software". instead of polarizing the whole community. try to do more your best that you get the point of free software across no mather what name you call it.
Gnulin (newlin) or Gnux (nux) - Stallmung (Stahlman). LOL
Stahlman's heart is probably in the right place, it's just everything else.
Good vid.
so my distribution which has wayland, systemd, kde shoud be... what? LinKWayGNUXd? damn...
If only the penguin that bit Linus Torvalds finger, had only pecked out one of Richard "I eat dead skin I picked off my foot in a live interview" Stallman's eye's, I think he would get it!🐧😅🐧😂🐧🤣🤪😜
I'm autistic, and yet the argument to use the moniker GNU/Linux is so god damned autistic that it makes me roll my eyes so god damned hard.
If you do the most basic install of your average distro, 90% of your OS is GNU software. I don't understand the issue with giving credit where credit is due. If the Linux kernel hadn't incorporated POSIX support then Linux would have had no toolchain for years - the community would have had to create their own toolchain - which would have slowed the growth of Linux, if not killed it outright in those early days. But because GNU provided a free toolchain to the world, the Linux community only instead had to grab it, get Linux to a self-hosting state, and then compile it. So yeah, I can understand why the guy pushes it - because everyone wants to take shots at him and disrespect him & his organization when they use his software on the daily.
GNU absolutely deserves credit for building a toolset that Linux could make use of but when we talk about the Linux operating system this isn't a real project, there's no thing you can point to and say this is the Linux OS like you can with Windows or MacOS or even just FreeBsd or OpenBSD. Instead it is a colloquial term used to describe the collection of Linux distros and if the community thinks your name is awkward they won't say it and trying to force it from on high is never going to work.
You can define how basic you want to go pretty arbitrarily.
You can get so basic you only have syscalls, or you can refuse to call it functional unless you have graphics.
I understand why he pushes, and honestly it is difficult to overstate his importance in the FOSS world, one would have to really try very hard. Just like I think is impossible to overstate the importance of the Xerox 9700, Andrew Tanenbaum and Linus Torvalds for linux.
But IMO Stallman's greatest sin was to never understand branding. GNU is a bad name, with a bad mascot, recursive acronyms are also bad. Same goes for Hurd, you can feel as clever as you want by creating a double recursive acronym/pun, that won't make people say it's name. Of course, a great software engineer is absolutely not expected to have good marketing skills, Linux himself with Freax had an awful idea for a name (at least he didn't expect it to become popular and for people to use it that much). So I say it was his greatest sin to also reiterate how large his contributions were - if a small thing like not giving great names to their projects is their big mistake, kudos. Had GNU had a better name we probably wouldn't ever had any reason to have any conversations about GNU/Linux etc.. Similar to how the Berkeley Style Distributions all include another bad name in theirs, suppose it was something similar, like MIT Style Utilities, or Free Software Utilities - people might be calling modern systems MSULinux, or FSULinux - maybe if he pushed for GP as in "GNU Project" resulting in LinuxGP (which also sounds bad, like if it was a grand prix) or GPLinux (which would require a different acronym for the license)... All of those sound better than GNU.
Also if the G was mostly silent, thus calling a system "new" Linux... I'm just spitballing, the point is that the very pronounced "G" sound in GNU "feels" weird to say in the midst of english words and in english sentences. I don't know how to explain, but I'm sure I'm in the majority that expects it to sound more like "gn" in "align" or "assigned" than like "gn" in "cognitive", honestly the only other word I can think of in english with a "u" following "gn" is 'signup', but at the same time I don't think it is a 'fair' comparison, and I can't explain 'why'... either way, Hurd being spoken as a homophone of Hird and Herd, I believe can maybe in some people cause a similar reaction as to the word 'moist' - even though I personally don't get it.
Anyway, that ship has sailed. Calling the system 'linux' ended up 'winning', and not because anyone WANTED it to win out and push GNU out from the limelight, there was no concerted effort, it just happened.
Historically I think another thing that helped was that you could run GNU software in other places, and you couldn't simple 'run' Linux, so when 'distributions' popped-up, they were distributing a way to use Linux, since that was actually hard at the time, unlike GNU software, for example, early GNU Emacs ran on basically anything System V... So people did not need to make it easier to package and distribute.
@@Poldovico but is the kernel itself with nothing else considered a distro? I mean when talking about just an OS, even the term "Operating System" itself implies a toolchain - what use is just a kernel by itself, humming away on Turing knows what, with no way to interact with it, interrogate it, and ask it to do something? Any program you would write that just does syscalls would still be considered a tool.
@@ronslayton5270 But it wouldn't have to be GNU. Besides, busybox exists.
Hell, most Linux installations today are Android.