Libreboot Developer Trolls The FSF... Once Again
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
- A couple of months back I did some videos on the Libreboot developer going to war with some FSF people and Leah Rowe is back at it again, this time wanting membership of her project in GNU
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most mentally stable FOSS developer:
which one
@@kreuner11all of them
@@softwarelivre2389?
lol, nope, most of it is developed by raptor computers and Leah Rowe woves a lot to that company.
Leah gave herself DID through delusions of grandour making niche software
So much drama for a BIOS that 3 people use
Go watch mentaloutlaw tutorial
and 2 of them just wanted to try it for fun
@@AIC_onyt realest comment on here lol
@@AIC_onytall 3 of them.
Lmao I got it on my thinkpad
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Leah, is in fact, GNU/Leah, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Leah.
😂😅
Underrated
A few jobs ago, my coworkers referred to me as GNU-. They also made a slack trigger to always say "please refer to him as GNU-" if I'm mentioned. Unfortunately that didn't last for more than a few days because the chatbot became very interruptive. Short fad but I enjoyed it
@squid11160
So GNU-Squid, do we include the numbers or only say GNU-Squid?
LNU - Leah's not unix
The FSF deserves a lot of criticism for sure, but sometimes the open source dev community REALLY looks like high school with some of the stupid drama going on
Welcome to the world where people take themselves more seriously than the things they work on.
@@furtivedolus2504 Nah, it's probably more like they completely identify themselves with their work and ideology to the point of logical extremes.
@@Rustmilian And why are they so adamant in grabbing power like that. they're mini-stalins.
Just call it StalinBoot already
@@Rustmilian Do you even see the irony in this statement in light of Roe's personal life?
@@furtivedolus2504 Do you not see that the statement applies to a lot more than it seems... ◉‿◉
The best part of this stuff is that I can't tell who's shitposting and who genuinely needs to touch grass.
I suspect the answer is: "yes". 🤣
that's the neat part. You don't
It's like quantum stuff: those states are not mutually exclusive, and someone can be in multiple states at once
If people touched grass there would've been no open source
can't wait for freeboot and openboot
No I prefer God's Boot
@@darukutsuIf the resolution of the connected monitor isn't 640x480, your PC will crucify itself
Bootboot
@@darukutsuTempleBoot?
I prefer netboot, it runs on the Dreamcast
"Librexit" - like brexit, but funny.
is this some kind of greco-roman drama for people who don't shower?
Ye pretty much
All just another symptom of get woke, go broke. Never forget this Leah person is a man.
Is it just me, or libreboot sounds like library for rebooting?
ONG NO I CANT GWET THIS OUT MY HEAD LMAO
😂 now i'm traumatized
Why did you have to say that....
oh, that's clever!
Now someone's gotta start a new project libreboot and it's actually a library for rebooting xD
GNU boot is even more of a joke than GNU Hurd.
The HURD was abandoned, yes, but you can run most of the userspace you think is Linux just as easily on a BSD kernel like kFreeBSD.
I just want a GNU-less Linux
@@monad_tcp Chimera Linux is probably you best bet (not ChimeraOS, different project).
@@monad_tcp Alpine is for you
even worse: GNU Nome.
For real, though. If my choices are between closed-source, LibreBoot (mostly open), or sh**t that doesn't work, I'm going with LibreBoot.
Better to be 99% libre and 1% proprietary, than 100% proprietary. The FSF shoots their cause in the foot demanding purity when it’s not practical
Agreed, that would be my choice as well. I prefer open-source software when I get to use it, but I'd rather use something that actually works rather than a ideal fully-free software that is either broken or missing 50% of its features (looking at you libre office)
@@unknownname3703 I don't even know what LibreOffice is missing, just that it doesn't render word docs correctly. That's why I switched to OnlyOffice.
@jelboz360 I am not against saying, something that doesn't work for 99% of the people is useless. BUT, I can see why there might be people pushing to only developing programs that are fully open source even if it doesn't work on some/a lot of systems. If everyone keeps including things to make it work for everything. There is really no pressure on anyone to make it open source. Now if a popular tool doesn't work and they point the finger at the one preventing it from working in an open source manner. That might be a bad look.
I don't think this approach really works personally. But I can see why someone might go that route.
Libreboot works on maybe three motherboards.
I am going to go with whatever will boot my system.
10:25 GNU Boot will be ready to go for my GNU/hurd machine any day now!
DAMN, that's a burn if I've ever seen one!
@@WERTBON You know you can run most of what you think is Linux on a BSD kernel too, right?
@@furtivedolus2504Not on hurd tho :3
@@furtivedolus2504 Why do you keep bringing up this point in so many comments? Don't see what it has to do with anything - you could also run a non-GNU userland.
@@CakeLancelotYes, neither GNU nor Linux are irreparable. Meaning bringing up the HURD is meaningless.
Sounds like the open source community is the same as their close source counterparts but the companies with close source have HR departments to shut up people.
And now imagine these guys would try to develop their own kernel D:
It hurds me to even think about it
@@jordan.ellis.hunter😂
Why bother when you can run GNU on kFreeBSD fine?
@@jordan.ellis.hunter that's a terrible pun and you should be proud of it
@@furtivedolus2504You bring up this shit under every comment about gnu hurd for some reason. Are you stupid?
"GNU Boot is the future" sums up the GNU project and their delusions in one sentence.
The Utopia that GNU/theFSF hope for is a beautiful vision, but it's just too impractical to come to fruition without some major changes to the legal system (which I would support), specifically, there should be no such thing as copyright/patent. If that was done, then GNU-style stuff would be basically true for all software.
The really sad thing is that the FSF is completely right, or they would be if they'd dial it back from level 11, militantly hostile nutbars trying to browbeat their allies, to level 9, staunch hardliners who will work with a community any chance they can without hypocrisy and alienation of allies. If they did, I'd likely be a member of the FSF instead of laughing at them clowning themselves at every turn.
It's true, if you don't control all the software on your devices, you don't fully own them. The Apple Silicon exploit that used parts of the chip "nobody" but a few engineers knew existed? If that exploit didn't glow I dunno what does. Or companies like Broadcom who'll snap up anything and turn the screws to "drive company value"-you think this CHIPMAKER wouldn't do the same to their hardware the instant they figure a way to force people to need the firmware update that locks them in to a recurring revenue stream vertical market scheme? We know they would. The goal of 100% free and open firmware is a lofty one.
I'm just not willing to give up privacy, security, safety, and the ability to be competitive-equally important individual rights-to get 100% free software. The moment I don't have to sacrifice those things to get free and open alternatives, I'll jump on the new hardware. But I won't trade several rights to advance one.
@@sirzorg5728 The issue with the FSF's vision is that Software is treated much like literary works are. And there are good reasons for that: It's already hard to get paid what you're worth as a software engineer, just as it is for most writers. With an OS, utility, or UEFI in this case, you've got everyone working on one thing that's purely functional in their spare time for the most part. It's like compiling a a dictionary. Something like a game or other interactive fiction, has a lot fewer people working full time to make something. More like writing a novel. Copyright exists to protect the latter's ability to eat, corps abusing it is a problem, but not one throwing the baby out will fix.
Haven't heard about GNU/Hurd in a while
@@sirzorg5728: The restrictions on corpos just stealing the work of individuals is entirely founded on those laws that you want to throw out. There is _no_ other restriction on their actions, as demonstrated by one of the first US publishers of the Lord Of The Rings novels (Ace Books), which published LotR without Tolkien's permission and without paying him royalties. Copyright, trademark, and modern patents (as opposed to some older uses of the word patent) were _all_ created in response to such abuses by businesses, and the only reason there is _any_ restraint on such things is the laws enacting those restrictions.
Fun fact: squatting is against TOS of most TLDs. Since Libreboot pre-existed the squatting, I imagine the TLD would be rather quick to hand it back.
Not sure how the other TLDs handle it but for .com.au you've gotta pay a nice $3k fee just to submit an application to say someone is squatting
Only for trademarks tho, in practice its kinda hard to get back a squatted domain
@@zyansheepBut Libreboot *is* a de-facto trademark. Leah owns it even if it isn't registered, and she can register the trademark and sue over it even after the imposters appear.
I think in this case, it's a complicated political dance. Suing another FOSS dev can do a lot of damage to your reputation, but trolling can actually improve it.
Squatting, what were they thinking? New York?
The wrapping is hard wrap at column 80, don't know whether Leah told editor to do that (it is an old thing of limited code lines to 80 characters matching the old IBM punch cards, wouldn't put it past Leah to add that to the trolling) or if it is something with the way FSF's mailing list is setup
But that's some really weird line wrapping, since usually editors wrap on spaces, not randomly in the middle of a word
It looks like it wraps on word boundaries within a certain number of characters, over which limit it wraps mid-word. Using character count is outdated, but not too weird. But it doesn't insert hyphens, and that's weird.
And why in the 21st century is anything hard limited to 80 columns? I want to assume it's a joke, but also I've encountered too many developers with unshakable faith in the righteousness of their favorite arbitrary stylistic choices to assume it's a joke.
@@SnakebitSTI afaik, the specificalion of the email protocols actually specifies this as a maximum line length, and most clients are just not compliant (thunderbird wraps on spaces by default as well)
Inserting hyphens is something we generally do not want in code. In fact we don't actually hard wrap, I'm assuming joke because it takes some work to setup modern editors to work in such an old way, I can get hard wrapping easy enough in neovim, but the ignore word boundaries is another matter.
I have the strangest impression that maybe the FSF isn't doing a good job of promoting free software. So weird.
Yep it was all the other projects that pushed back that accountability law that Europe is promoting which would have ruined Free Software.
@@Sitwayen what other projects?
The Fascist Software Foundation only supports software that perfectly aligns with their rules and the devs have to bend knee to the FSF.
FSF: Freedom!
Also FSF: No not like that! Do freedom the way I tell you to!
proprietary blobs are not free... i don't think you understand what 'free' means in the context of the free software movement
@@shambles9 In the context of the free software movement, it is whatever the FSF decrees, no matter how insane or how unusable it is.
I like Free Software. I like the FSF. I think I like Leah even more. But all this makes me feel just fine and dandy with my drama free AmiBios.
I stopped caring the moment I discovered the Arc processor inside the chipset, I just plop an offboard netzwerk card and hope for the best.
NoDramaBios 😂😂😂
I hate drama. I think I'm gonna find new technology to build my own computer from scratch and I'm gonna make my own BIOS and OS from scratch and I'm gonna write every program I use from scratch for a 100% drama free computing expirience
@@Felix-on9drLibredramaOS
@@Felix-on9drThat was exactly the idea behind GNU, and look how that went :)
hurd will become usable before gnu boot will be able to boot on any board that matters...
Funny when people bring up the HURD when you can run most of the userland you think is Linux just as easily on a BSD kernel.
What do you mean old Thinkpads don't matter? 😂😂😂
@@furtivedolus2504 yes, the bsd kernels are at least usable. Unlike hurd.
@@furtivedolus2504 that's because those BSD kernels have the crucial advantage over HURD of actually existing in a functional state.
@@Poldovico Which is why GNU didn't waste any more time on the HURD. You're literally making fun of of them for being sensible or pragmatic.
Can we all work together?
No.
I need Leah and GNU/Leah to both show up in these comments.
Could they debate the relative merits of their approaches?
Is GNU/Leah allowed to use a proprietary platform like CZcams?
@@CptJistuceOnly if it's accessed through Iceweasel
If there is a meme of someone staring at the TV, with a drink of your choice, and the caption "I came for the tears, and laughs but this be crazy bro." would be me.
They aren't shitposting, but 100% honest. And they're right
Stuff can be two things at once.
And also 100% shitposting.
Damn straight, go Leah!
Leah isn't a girl and doesn't use she as a pronoun.
they* are referred to as 'she' on the libreboot website
Jeez... FSF is a joke. The only project under their wing I care about is Emacs.
Emacs itself is a joke.
the last time I used emacs was 2 decades ago
You can't expect to talk positively about Emacs without Vim spergs attacking you
I would say I use Nano, but I don't wanna get laughed at.
VIM is for spergs and Emacs is for masochists.
Every time you say it, I picture KNUboot.
Is that the kde Version?
@@keit99 That's what I keep thinking!
They have KDE Neon and the KDE Slimbook, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did KNUBoot
Book... koot? Bootkamp!
So the FSF did good here, and pressured the developer into supporting a binary blob free version? Sounds like a win for the FSF.
I guess that's one way you can look at it
Yeah, more free software is exactly what the FSF wants. And it sounds like they will never forgive the developer for the offense of making a release to meet their standards lol
"binary blob free version" is generous considering how it is objectively inferior in every way except for the fact that it has no binary blobs. Canoeboot is almost completely unusable on most real computers.
@@kodicraftWhich was Leah's point the whole time. Like it or not, these binary blobs are necessary for a usable product until and unless someone goes to the trouble of writing a replacement(which isn't happening).
@@kodicraft The point of the project never was to be usable everywhere, but to be a 100% free alternative for those who'd rather have a fully free system. Being unusable for hardware that cannot work without non-free blobs IS an intended feature.
GNU Boot is the future... of booting laptops so old that nobody wants to use them anymore. Sincerely, someone who regularly uses a Pentium 4405U.
This is some top shelf shit posting and I'm all for it.
I was on her side until you started reading the actual nessages. I can see why people might not want to rely on a project when the main developer literally talks like a 14 year old edgyboy. "Unlike your masters... I compartmentalize...". I wouldn't feel too comfortable dealing with this person especially after she spent years fighting with you, just because she says she will change personalities on a switch. Weird
Is that any worse than the FSF authoritarians?
She is just trolling the idiots at the Fascist Software Foundation. It is not that complicated.
@@nobodyimportant7804 Yes.
@@drstewart I wouldn't work with either.
@@nobodyimportant7804What's your point? That's whataboutism
@@antonliakhovitch8306 No it's not, they both suck but the FSF is doing real damage to free software because they are not about freedom. They just want to enforce their idea of freedom, which contains a lot of rules and forced genuflecting. They are no different than religion.
FSF sponsors mostly unusable software anyway so why anyone pays attention to them is a mystery.
Hot take: merge all the forks and derivatives and use CMAKE like everyone else to control whether or not you want blobs
According to the FSF, if they use your software, you must obey their guidelines as if it were law. That is beyond messed up.
You mean the GPL?
If you do not follow a philosophy while claiming to half the time you're going to get called out on it.
the FSF are like the tankies of foss. "left unity as in dont question my authority, therefore any leftists critical of my insane use of state power and authoritarianism is actually counter revolutionary and anti-left unity. lenin just had to kill all those anarchists and other anti-authoritarian leftists and socialists, they were actually evil cia plants!!"
gnu rhetoric is rlly similar in how it labels any critique of their insane hypocritical purism as someone anti-foss and obstructionist, when in fact they are the useless obstructionists who are hindering a unified movement.
Did I read this right or is it a typo? If THEY use YOUR software you must obey their guidelines?
@@ProtossOP yeah I don't think this comment is worded correctly. The GPL has restrictions that users that modify the software to publish their modifications, and the FSF mandates the GPL and extra rules for any software they use, and none of this applies backwards
Leah's completely mad, but as Robert Anton Wison apparently said:
"Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. I'm mad but not ill"
As an outsider who doesn't daily drive Linux, the FSF don't have a positive image.
I've thought for several years now the best thing to happen in the linux world is for all the GNU software to be replaced with something better and more maintained which very little of their software is anymore. There is one or more rewrite everything in rust projects going that have made good progress and I hope will finish GNU off for good.
They are the goat of Free Software, there is bound to be envy and people trying to undermine them.
@@Sitwayen: They're ancestral to most or all free software, but they're never going to be the GOAT.
Linux as a whole is losing its positive image. It's called Troonix now for a reason.
@@callisoncaffrey only by degenerate shitbags
This is ultimately why I left contributing to FOSS projects. The past 10 years is just megalomaniacs and people with severe personality disorders.
btw libreboot WAS part of GNU from 14 apr 2016 → 15 sep 2016 ( see fosdem 2017 talk from her )
Thumbs up because you are one of the few people online that correctly say ten times instead of ten ex.
I just hope the Guix guys continue to fly under the radar, because god damn do i love it.
some of them tried to throw RMS under the cancel bus
All those names are messing in my head.
Canoeboot
GNU Boot
Coreboot
Libreboot
And soon maybe:
GNU Canoeboot
My proposal:
GNU LibreCoreCanoeBoot
The universe is not yet ready for CannoliBoot
GNU Lib Reboot
@@fders938 Next stop, CanonicalBoot.
Tbh LCCB is not a bad name ... XD
@@Rustmilian Systemd boot
I think GNU canoeboot should be a thing. I also like that the FSF is so wonderfully stubborn in its attitudes, this is the way to suvive as an internet movement because if you compromise your ideals will be continuuosly watered down (look at something like the HandMade network which is now an average programming community instead of a software community that writes everything by themselves instead of using libraries), so I think the FSF stance on libreboot is correct, even though it is the better project for users. Since canoeboot follows the FSF Guidelines they should allow GNU Canoeboot, absolutely.
"Why is most of the hardware supported old thinkbook laptops?"
fsf getting hated on for adhering to their principles smh
I have no clue what i just watched…
I use linux since 1999 and only now I hear about all these projects first time in my life
yeah because you need a thinkpad from like 15 years ago to run these projects
@@shib5267 OR a chromebook
Doesnt the new version of libreboot now supports newer stuff thanks to those binary blobs? (At least coreboot works with everything recent)
New this, GNU that - someone should get the boot...
100% Honest, I am pro FOSS but I dislike the FSF organization in almost every way. I also think if a user cannot choose non-free software to use because of their distro or other factors then they are not really free. If I want to use something proprietary I don't want the FSF policing that choice.
Yes, if you cannot choose your slave master, you are not really free. Specially with all the perks being a gladiator brings.
They value their strict authoritarian version of freedom over everything else, including working software.
@@nobodyimportant7804 For projects calling themselves libre, i would hope so.
@@Sitwayen What good is free software if it doesn't work properly?
Of course, you missed the irony of "authoritarian freedom" and you seem to agree with it.
🤦♂
Nobody ever prevented him to work on what he wants. Calling software with proprietary code within it, Libre, is wrong. Even Google doesn't do this with Chrome or Android. The AOSP does not contain proprietary code, neither does Chromium. His persons moral is worst than Google's.
Thank you, even in the good days of SNL this would be a top skit. Made my day. This trolling is just... perfect.
We got a better blobless project in the end.
I will always be a fan of people like Leah giving the FSF’s librengelicals a hard time.
She is toxic. I personally think this is even worse than GNU.
@@thingsiplay is she though?
@@stefanalecu9532 Yes, in my opinion and definition, she is. Also reminds me a little bit of what happened with XZ, where the guy was toxic, doing social engineering to reach the position, and got into the project. I really don't like what and how she is doing.
@jelboz360The state sponsored dev did that only after he owned the project. Before that his codes were completely harmless.
@@Sitwayen can we get a citation for >"Before that his codes were completely harmless."
This really, really, makes me think there should be a CANadian Open Equipment organization: CANOE, that should promote such open and free software, that supports a tiny miniscule portion of bootable computer hardware.
That way, we could have: Canoe GNU Canoeboot.
Or, later, if the FSF would support that project... GNU Canoe GNU Canoeboot.
I could never handle the drama of an open source project.
The common problem I see with the free software crowd is that they don't actually make free software. They want others to do it for them, then make a minor improvement so they can attach their name to it.
I say this every time but please please please get Leah on Tech Over Tea please
If light switches were given for free and wanted the GNU tag, in the box they would need to provide you with the location of the metal mines, their blueprints, plastic composition and the location of all factories and their employees personal data in order to qualify as GNU light switches.
Wannabe game of thrones is so incredibly cringe, everyone involved is just a sweaty nerd. The obvious solution is to just provide the god damn .exe.
Nice man, good video. i didnt know this.
Then be warned, this Leah is a man, who had to write an apology before in where he admitted to be emotionally unstable. Stay away from the troons.
Rowe does good work, and I'm not going to defend the FSF's actions on this but she could have headed this off by providing "libre" releases alongside the main one from the beginning.
Good job covering this (to me, super-obscure) topic. I am calling it Saturday Morning Serial, because of the drama. I was previously unaware of any of this software, or any of the people involved. Having seen only your video, I have decided to side with Leah because (1) Fuck authority, (2) She works hard, (3) She's kicked drugs and alcohol, and (4) We may be distantly related (but I don't know). Oh, and (5) I think FSF has its head up its own ass, which is kinda why I said (1).
"All provocation aside. Here's a patch" I want that on a tshirt.
She is Mike Rowe's daughter, as in the old Mike Rowe Soft?
"I have assumed the position" From Wiktionary: (Idiomatic, UK, punishment) Often used as an order to bend over, for example, to receive the traditional corporal punishment in a case of misbehaviour.
People who start drama, usually do so when they get an audience.
Remove the audience and the drama will go.
I hope all those people will be able (and willing) to focus on developing code that is useful to the community and do so in a way that complies with relevant community guidelines.
"I hope all those people will be able (and willing) to focus on developing code that is useful to the community"
That is against FSF and GNU policy.
Think you should make an official series out of this and put it into a playlist.
I don't know why it's not in a playlist lol
Leah: You and your friends are just are just pompus assholes who do behind the scene's stuff to try and tear me down and replace me.
Also Leah: Sidenote, Here is my next patch I wrote while typing up this essay calling you and your friends at the FSF out. Hope it helps in the next release!
I mean FSF is a noble goal and all but I've got shit I need to get done right now.
After hearing the first few mins it was obvious how it was going to play out.
I'll bet a lot of the players in this tempest in a teapot are a lot of fun at parties... /s
So much fighting over two completely irrelevent projects. It is sad.
Couldn't she have just done this right from the start? Why wait until the FSF launches their version to finally do it? For the FSF it's a win, there's now a valid, maintained alternative to Libreboot that has no binary blobs, that's what the FSF wanted all along, as a proud sponsor of the FSF please troll me like this all the time lol
People will likely still maintain GNU Boot simply in the event Leah changes her mind again and adds blobs into this one too, but for the time being it's a win for the FSF.
The goal of the FSF is to promote free software, not make you use GNU stuff exclusively. If other people are making free software that's great also, doesn't have to be GNU and tbh it's often better that way because the FSF doesn't have the resources to maintain versions of every project you might use.
Only thing i'm iffy on is that i'd swap the names, i think the blob-free version should be libreboot, and the other can be whatever you want, but the word libre implies it has no non-libre software running in it
thumbs up to crazy people
We shouldn't support this if we want to prevent get woke, go broke destroying another project. Linux is now called Troonix for a reason.
@@callisoncaffreyLinux will be dead if you ban trans/queer people from working on it
Schizoids flinging shit at eachother. It used to be much more wholesome back in my day.
That person is unhinged
You probably never dealt with asstards deliberately holding back your project and being disingenous hypocrites while simultaneously politically attacking you to try to make you see like it's your fault for what they're doing to undermine it. If you did, you'd totally relate and cheer her on.
On the contrary, I don’t think anyone could swing like that without solid, stable hinges.
Well, it's a man pretending to be a woman. What did you expect?
Way too much drama for an obscure issue.
sigh...... i wish "adults" would act like adults and not grade kids still talking smack in the yard
I don't know: Mozart did some useful stuff, and he could be kind of puerile.
diogenes would disagree
A year ago?! Time flies
hypocritical to be blob free but then add blobs
Can't wait until GNU Canoe canoeboot drops
CanGNUboot
@@DryPaperHammerBro no, it can't
@@stefanalecu9532 Hurd it can't boot too...
So which of these projects is the best to boot GNU Hurd distribution on my new laptop?
None, because they don't run on LISP machine laptops. /jk
I eagerly await the day Leah will sell GNUwear fashion. A pair of Canoe boots would be stylish.
She should sell canoes
7:33 I'm pretty sure I recall some of this history. I'm inclined to believe the "mitigating factor" bit.
I've been curious about using libre boot for a while now, but i don't want to try it out on any of my hardware... could try it out on some older computers.. I do have one with a removable bios (eep)rom
it isn't available for newer devices anyway
Leah... I love her style, humiliating douches by surpassing them in every way. Nice.
They really need to give this drama the boot! 🤪
Leah is faster at writing anime villain monologues than she is coding
This is freaking hysterical 🤣
9:10 But he has a very strong point. Firmware features should be kept to a minimum, due to the fact that more features provide more opportunities for more bugs
Features, maybe. Mainboards? Come on
This is like "dont use computers, so you will never catch a virus" level.
Also: He is just lying and trying to hide the obvious fact, that they had forked a project, that they are not competent, and committed enough to maintain
He is just making excuses, particularly since some of the features - like she quoted - are literally security related.
@@matthiasschuster9505 Well supporting mainboard is not exactly a feature, so i wasn't grouping it there.
Though I am not even sure what features he was talking about, since i was under the impression that coreboot itself is just very featureless bootloader that relies on second stage to do the fancy stuff if it is needed.
More than that, we’re referring to being able to boot a given OS when referring to features here. And just plain initializing hardware.
There are plenty of hardware features that just don’t work on systems with GNU Boot installed, but have been fixed in newer releases of Libreboot.
@@krennic4438 But i don't think coreboot does much on the front of loading the second stage? As far as i am concermed(though i may be grossly missinformed) it will only populate smbios and acpi tables(as well as a table unique to coreboot, but i am not sure), and may pass device tree, but thats pretty much all? It won't conform to bios or efi standrts so booting generic payload straight out of it shouldn't be an option
the devs of GNUboot are working on laptops from the 90s give them a break its the only stuff they can run GNUboot on because they dont want binary blobs, they are also running GNU/herd. In all honestly thought GNU and the FSF seem to be focused more on Political Advocacy then actually delivering the free software they go on and on about.
_I swear_ sometimes, the FSF and GNU are free software's own worst enemies. _But_ I guess, when you're poor, hungry and Microsoft offers you some bread…
Not sometimes. All the time.
The email was a true final test for dyslexic people
Well-It-Boots is a more exciting name and would be descriptive of its capabilities, lol
What those blobs are anyway? Couldn't they be reverse-engineered behind the curtains and safely "developed from scratch winky-winky" so this drama about who has more blobs will finaly end?
Idk who Leah Rowe is but she’s fucking iconic
So when’s the video about the libreboot-FSF split?
I'm going to be honest, I daily drive a T420 with Libreboot and since my install in early 2024, but it always bugged me why the "Libre"boot project wasn't ""Technically"" """"libre"""" (extra quotation marks just to be safe)
I do agree with the values the FSF holds with FREE (as in Libre) software, but if it doesn't work on my machine, why bother?
I do wish for one day to be able to run some kind of GNUboot/Canoeboot/GNUCanoeboot/whatever, completely free of blobs with the best intent I can, but until someone figures out a way to do that bypassing all the Intel ME stuff or something, I will gladly use Libreboot instead of stock firmware, whenever possible.
15:03 My strength is as the strength of ten as my heart is pure 😮
0:10 "The TLDR is: Libreboot is a VILE / UEFI firmware replacement..."
I can't unhear it now :(
The title is super misleading. From having talked with Leah about it before the final decision, she's dead serious and not trolling
So have I and Leah is doing this fully knowing it will never be accepted
@@BrodieRobertson yeah, but the two are not incompatible. She's serious but realist
I guess it depends on how you want to frame this, my perspective is even if you're doing it in good faith if you're certain it'll never be accepted then you're still doing it to rile them up.
@@giusdb you're probably right, I guess
5TH DAY ASKING FOR A REVIEW OF:
- YAZI (FILE MANAGER>RANGER,VIFM,NNN,LF)
- WEZTERM (TERMINAL)
But what about osboot? We are basically back to the square one.
Why did osboot merge into libreboot?
I respect Leah for "owning" (if that was the right term) the brand Libreboot, but since the word "libre" has been associated with FSF's orthodox stance of free software, why does she need to use her "interpretation" in the first place?
Of course she is free to claim any brand first, it's her own anyway, but shouldn't a terminology that is already understood by everyone not be changed as easily?
Genuine question: is LibreOffice FSF approved?
@@michaelwright2986 It is available on FSF-approved Linux distros, so I assume they don't have a problem with it.
You raised a good point though. While I criticized Leah for "misusing" the term, the term itself is not copyrighted so FSF shouldn't be too pedantic about it.
But still, we won't have this drama today if only osboot wasn't merged into Libreboot. What was the point of the merger anyway, if at the end, Leah would make another blob-free version of her custom BIOS?
Exactly. If you are going to turn it from libre software to non-libre software, fork your own project and name it something else.
Otherwise you are being disingenuous and misleading people, that will read libre- and (rightfully!) expect it to be blob-free.
I think canoeboot should be libreboot and libreboot should be called something else not the other way round.
At last somebody that understand the core of the issue here. But this is too sensible, it will not happen.
Go Leah. With a patch hahaha... I wonder if that patch was a glorious "rebase from this you ahos" just for the lolz