DEBATE: Will Wrexham STORM League 2? 🔴🏆 | Thogden & George Elek predict their 23/24 season 👀
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George & Ali from Not The Top 20 podcast and Thogden give their thoughts on how Wrexham will do in League two this season. #football #wrexham @thogden @NotTheTop20
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My team (Doncaster) are gonna be in Wrexham’s league and so far I get the idea that the club and their fans expect promotion and nothing less. But with a mentality like that you get teams like Sunderland in league one where they fall short at the final hurdle. Don’t get too cocky and as good as it is to be ambitious your not gonna become massive overnight. Great work so far by the owners and Ryan & Rob are owners every EFL club wishes they had and success is definitely coming but still keep respect for the rest of league 2 and it’s teams
Donny fan too. Theyve made one signing and rely heavily on Paul Mullin who is currently injured.
The wrexham hype is beyond a joke in my opinion. They only just beat Notts County and Notts County have improved their squad massively. People are just blindly backing them to win it because they are the vogue club to talk about.
The only benefit to wrexham this season is that we might see donny on sky at some point.
Wrexham will be mid table. You heard it here first
I would agree as a Sunderland fan to an extent, but the project at Wrexham is obviously completely different as Sunderland should never have been in league one (although we rightly ended up there). However it took us 4 years to finally accept ourselves as a league one club which coincided in us achieving promotion. expectations mean nothing if you don’t perform over 46 games and earn it. Can’t see Wrexham getting near autos and surprised the club have so much trust in Parkinson. I’d be surprised if they got past L2/L1 with him still in charge personally and there hasn’t been too many additions to their squad.
As a Wrexham fan we don’t expect promotion at all, this is the best looking league two table I’ve ever seen and just looking forward to going to new grounds. The only thing that does bother me is people saying notts county are going to do better etc. They lost their best player to Oxford and their style of play is so beatable with pace up top
Aged perfectly
The national league has become overly strong with only 1 automatic spot.
I believe Stockport, Notts County & Wrexham have enough for auto promotion, but it'll go down to the wire!
First time I've ever heard Shaun Harvey described as a strength. Not exactly remembered fondly in Leeds and lets not forget he resigned from the EFL because the clubs in the EFL forced him to
Tdl
what about Gillingham
Promotion, Yes. Winning the title, Not sure.
@@christopherflux6254 who cares about league 2 title anyway 2nd will do
Embarrassing again from you sky. Not only the Wrexham fanboy train continues, disregarding the proper clubs in the division. But also thogden who does not have a clue about l2 in the slightest. Why ruin the top 20 podcast guys (who do a great job) just to fill ur Wrexham agenda and love that u only focus on.
Absolutely agree, no one here has ever watched Wrexham play!
@@charliehewlett6124in fairness the other guys have a decent podcast about the efl but not sure how much they’ve seen Wrexham play. Doesn’t excuse the media circus around them tho
@@charliehewlett6124 so, you click on a video of a team you don't watch, then take the time to read comments about the video to find someone who cries like a petulant child to agree with. Do you see where I'm going with this?
Umm that’s probably because there are literally millions of Wrexham fans in America. Don’t underestimate that.
@@loganleroy8622 yes I 100% get that but this whole underdog narrative and only covering them when others clubs need the same coverage in similar league (ie southends financial issues going unannounced and not mentioned) needs to stop
4:15 I think someone has forgotten Tranmere's back to back promotions in 2018 and 2019.
Oh come it Thogden what did expect
In my opinion I think that Wrexham will be up there but I also would say keep an eye on Bradford and notts County cus I honestly think that those 3 will go up
The national league, is so unbelievably different to league 2. What does thogden know about league 2? But Beepity beep beep time for another Wrexham update.
Bolton were in league 2 few times
I have followed SAFC & Wrexham since the 70's (but that is a separate story).
I don't know what happened inside SAFC during our 4yrs in L1 but we never had a season without some hystrionics and escaped from it only after Alex Neil brought some organisation and man motivation. For whatever reason our players didn't play together under Parky. I could see the formation he was trying to play at SAFC, but our players couldn't (or wouldn't) adapt to a wingback system and our midfield was poor so too often we tended to go route 1.
Things at Wrexham are considerably different. The owners are well liked & they have the fans right behind them.
Parky wasn't universally liked when he arrived (I was singularly unimpressed) & he had a poor first few months. He has been unlucky with injuries in both seasons but over 2 seasons he has built a squad that would run through brick walls for him.
But perhaps the biggest plus in relation to Parky is he handles use of substitutions far better than he did at SAFC and he can change the shape of the team out on the pitch.
As with SAFC, Wrexham are every team's Cup Final, but we have mazey midfielders, a pacey winger on each flank, we can play a quick passing game through midfield and can use the long ball to judiciously miss them out. What is more, with an accurate, long throw expert like Tozer, in the side the opposition hesitate to break up attacks by just putting the ball out when that is their best option - this puts them under more pressure and has led to a number of Wrexham goals. Plus Wrexham score plenty of goals from throws and set pieces.
Additionally we have plenty of players who can shoot from long range.
Then you have the crowd. It is more like Roker Park than the SOL, with a natural core of vociferous fans behind the goal, right next to the away fans in one corner - so both sets of fans improve the noise output of the other.
Will this be enough? I can't say. We have our weaknesses and have struggled when the opposition press tightly and we are prone to defensive implosions which can silence the fans. I am just looking forward to a good season in what looks like the most competitive L2 for a long time.
That said, the number of promotion slots mean that you are still in with a good chance at a promotion place even after a poor run of form. I would back Wrexham to go up this season but I'm not expecting an easy ride, let alone finishing top.
Parkinson is wary of hubris and stupidity. If they bag 2-3 compatible, high-end players before the window closes, they'll overcome the loss of Mullin. Then, after re-loading in January, Wrexham will deliver strong results in the second half of the season. Promotion via the playoffs looks a reasonable bet.
Lifelong Wxm fan here. No, very unlikely. The likes of MKD, Gillingham, Stockport and Notts County, Bradford City etc, will all be up there.
I’m just glad we are back in the FL, that’s the main thing for me. Anything more is just a bonus. We remember where we’ve just come from!
I think our current squad is really strong, and we didn’t particularly need to bring in new faces, which can upset the dressing room and are arguably no better than what we have.
I’d rather give the current squad their chance for a year or two, see what they can do.
I predict somewhere between 3rd and 6th, but this is football. Anything can happen, with injuries, etc.
Perhaps it’s all about the start; last season Stockport County took just 8 points from the first 10 games and had I think 5 sendings-off; after that, they took more points from the rest of the season than anyone else.
Biggest difference in League 2 - no fodder (County won 21 out of 22 against the bottom half when they won the NL), and at least half the teams last season in League 2 came to Edgeley Park and tried to park the bus, usually very effectively.
Wrexham will do well, but need to adapt quicker than did County.
@@elaineblackhurst1509 ah that’s right, as you say County did start slowly, to many peoples surprise. But current form after the bad start was the best in the division, which is why you’re hotly tipped to carry on that run into this season. I wouldn’t be surprised if we mirror what you did, No Mullin for a while. We aren’t a one man team, but he’s still a very big loss when he’s out injured. When County were in the NLN I couldn’t believe it, and always thought it was just a matter of time before a full recovery. I’m sure a trip to L1 is just round the corner for you. The thing is then is to be able to settle in there, as there’s some big clubs in L1, but hey that’s all part of the journey and the fun. Have a good season, I for one won’t be even slightly surprised if we are lagging behind you. Cheers.
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I would think Wrexham will have looked at County’s very poor start last season with a view to learning from it; most of County’s recruitment for this season has been about trying to find better ways through massed defences of teams that turned up at EP with sole aim of avoiding defeat - suspect you’re going to find the same.
Wrexham are minus Mullin for a while, but County won’t see Wootton until October - if then; both are big misses in different ways.
@@elaineblackhurst1509 I’m sure you’re right. Parky will have learned from that. I think he has faith in his squad as it stands and doesn’t want to bring in new faces for the sake of it. I hope that the players and Parky also know that the awful nervy atmosphere at our ground in the last couple of years, should be less tense, less expectation , than we’ve had lately. Most of the even minded fans will know there’s no promise of going up again, and we are just glad to be in the mix. As you say there’ll be some clubs coming and parking the bus. It’ll be a grind, but i for one won’t be as edgy about that now. I promise! It was a nightmare being in NL wasn’t it, for both our clubs, and indeed for those still there like Southend, Oldham, etc. let’s enjoy the season, and hope for the best. Cheers Elaine!
If I was a train announcer in London on a Spurs matchday: "Mind the gap between the train and the platform. And for any Spurs fans on the train, mind the gap between the Premier League and the Championship" 🤣🤣🤣
So glad the guy on the left spoke about how wrexham have bought players from league 1 and championship players when in the NL
Yes, they had a great season in the conference, but Notts County had an equally great season showing possibly how poor the conference was last season overall.
I think they will struggle personally and the title favourites badge may make them complacent. There is some very good teams that are being completely disregarded so far pre season.
The hype around them is great for league 2 football as a whole.
Signed McGoldrick who bagged 22 goals for Derby last season.
The national league was far from poor last season as there were numerous ex EFL teams and solid teams in there. It was just a freak season where two top teams really pushed each other like peak Real Madrid and Barcelona with Ronaldo and Messi. League 2 isn't much different to the top National League teams but Wrexham will be made to work for promotion because of the teams mentioned by George Elek.
@@aidygooner As a Notts fan I can safely say that the quality of some teams were dire last season. Yes we were brilliant and didnt give teams a chance, but some teams came to our ground and didnt even try. The gap between the top of the NL and the bottom of the NL is massive, but there is still quality teams there.
Well this aged poorly james considering they are in second place 🥈 at the moment
Bradford, Stockport, County and Wrexham are going up
I hope those will be the clubs as League 1 would be even more glamorous than it already is thanks to the ex premier league clubs
That's only 3 clubs, who's your fourth pick?
@@Escapee5931 By ‘Stockport, County’ I meant Stockport and Notts county, no worries 👍
@@dev0nSA1nt Oh! So you were being disrespectful to Stockportshire, we're you???
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@@Escapee5931 not at all, merely highlighting the history of nottswall 🤣
Isn't the whole reason they havent gone crazy in the transfer market because they spent their time in the conference buying league 1+2 players then lol
Exactly that. They already have the players to compete in League 2 as they had to overspend on higher class players to get out of the horrible National League with only 2 teams going up.
Time for another Wrexham update from Sky
You’ll need to open up a Jam shop here soon, mate. I don’t know how you can carry around that much Jelly without it burdening you.
Media hypes them going up but how hilarious would it be if they go back down
Wouldn't be as hilarious as say club you support goes out of business
@@colroomes8977 I doubt Ryan and rob would let Wrexham go bust mate
I think they’ll chase playoffs.
Interesting point about that tour.
For me that tour screams revenue, revenue, revenue. It might seem like an obvious point and all well and good, but when your goal is promotion I'm not sure that tour is how you prepare for those expectations.
I also cannot believe Parkinson would have proposed or scheduled it if he had complete control of pre season preperations... Which then begs additional questions about what level of control he actually has...
💯 ownership def pushed for this, in hindsight, they should have stuck to the eastern shore, and not crossed timezones.
Sorry but I just don't see them getting the league title it doesn't seem right, being a Bradford fan I know how good of a manager Phil Parkinson is, and its no doubt they have a very good squad which can give teams like us, who finished in the top half last season, a run for their money. But I also think many people are underestimating many teams in League 2. Gillingham are on the up, Stockport I imagine will keep how good they were, Salford are gonna be up there again I reckon, not to mention MK Dons who only just got relegated from League One, they ain't gonna want to stay in League Two for long.
Just won't happen imo, I see them getting the play offs though, and I hope they do well! Just not as well as us 😉
Totally agree, and I’d say most Wxm fans don’t have the arrogance that other clubs fans think we’ve got. Most of us are just relieved to be back in the FL at all. Anything else is a bonus. Got total respect for other clubs, particularly the likes of The Bantams. I’ve even been to a few games in the home end, for a random weekend in the city, gave the team a cheer, went for a few beers and to Omar Khans for some amazing food. If you guys finish above is this season, it’s all good. Enjoy the season mate.
Spot on guys!!!...Up the chickens 👍🏻🐔⚽️👏🏻
The simping for Wrexham is getting a bit silly now.
Well Notts County and Wrexham lost 5-1 and 5-3 on the first day, good start
great start if you have a look at where there are on the table
95% sure they WONT be champions.
80% sure they WONT get auto promotion
40% sure they WONT get promotion play offs
95% sure they WILL finish in top half
100% sure they WONT get relegated.
I think they will, and should not get promoted. Build sustainably, promote another season in the L2, get better sponsors in for the 2nd season while recruiting and slow down contracts (b2b promotions could create contractual problems). Promote --> get mid table --> promotion --> championship in 2027
Here at the end of the season. Guess what. Wrexham did get promoted. 2nd with 88 points behind Stockport with 92. On to league 1 for them both with Mansfield
Thogden doesn’t know anything about league 2
He put on insta he wants people predictions on whats going to happen in championship and league 2 so ur right
True
Oh coming @Yo-mf8ty oh that bit harsh oh coming now Thogdan know nothing about football
He knows what league 2 is because he supports Bolton Wanderers and they played in league 2
It seems he knew something about league 2 at this point.
The Welcome To Wrexham show was never on Netflix.
Also I highly recommend key lighting on the pundits.
If you ask most wrexham fans we would be happy with any play off spot. Then see what happens. Its Difficult league with plenty of big teams. Its been 15 years i am just happy to be back in the efl.
1st or 2nd they will go they got strong squad they got best striker best defender best goalkeeper
They haven't got the best striker in the league. That's David McGoldrick at Notts County
No Wrexham
@@tkb4026can't believe didzy is in League Two, what a signing
@@tkb4026 Hes not even our best striker. Weve got Langstaff too.
They’re not still there. Elliot Lee passed me in the car this afternoon outside the Cae Ras 👍
Wrexham fan here and I'm inclined to agree with George. I don't think we'll win it - I'd be leaning towards Stockport personally, with them having had a run at it last year and know what the score is now in the division, also they've added well to an already good squad....as have Notts, who are my 2nd favs. But Bradford, Gills etc will be there too, but I do think we'll end up in the mix though, and if we add more quality ourselves during the season, could even get that last automatic spot...
County took just 8 points from first 10 games last season and had a sending-off every other game; after that, they took more points than anyone else.
Wrexham need to avoid the same slow start of the previous year’s NL champions, EFL 2 is a big step-up from NL in that there’s no fodder, plus teams much more effective at parking the bus.
PS. Don’t expect the referees to be much better.
WXM will be in the play off places for sure, but will be fighting for 3rd place in my opinion.
Prediction.. Prediction! No one knows what going to happen! We shall see! No matter what...Wrexham will definitely going to do their best! It's going to be awesome football seasons!
No one knows what will happen.. rubbish.
Is there an option not to see Thogden on here... at all!!!!
I see them coming second and then being a mid table team in ligue 1 next season though
As a Wrexham fan, I'd take that.
A transfer to the French 1st division would be an interesting step up from League 2.😂
@@loganleroy8622 More likely to the MLS
Good call
League 1 predictions pls
League 2 will be the most competitive league this season 🤫
People saying that Thogden doesn't know what league 2 is well you are wrong because he actually knows what league 2 is. He supports Bolton and they played in league 2
They have a chance to go up again but they'll spend quite a bit of time in League 1. I just hope they don't become another Salford City situation
it will happen and like salford hyper media train and the documentarys will stop
I'm a salford fan (sigh)
@NotSoRealEllis20 nothing wrong with that. Salford has a fantastic fan base but due to various reasons higher up, the club is treading water and in all honesty I feel they could drop even further without proper investment again
@@thatontariofarmer always feels as if the class of 92 wanted to create a new united (changing our kit to red, trying to move us into the AJ Bell) which kind of killed any passion I and others I knows passion in the club I Don't feel as if I support my home town club but new united
I am truly rooting for Wrexham, but I think they will finish in the middle somewhere, MAYBE in the 6-10 range, but that's it. Next season they'll be promoted
Crazy how famous thogden is!
He not famous he a laughing stock a utter joke
Remember the likes of Martin Tyler, Richard Keys and Andy Gray presenting on Sky Sports. Oh for the good old days and now where you have to be a so called social media personality or tick a box regardless of lack of subject knowledge.
I bet Mark Goldbridge is well jealous
Mid table at best, some strong sides in League 2!!!
Agree
harry lewis clear of ben foster
Hey, TDL
Stop talking about bloody Wrexham.
If wrexham starts strong, Minus Mullin, then we should be top 10. If he’s gone into October, we will be mid table
Not a chance they go up more games bigger grounds and a lot more pressure, i see Wrexham mid table while notts will go back down
Not a chance huh...
Up the County! Come on Newport!
UTC
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i think Wrexham get 3rd or 4th
Thogden you might be correct they might storm league 2 Wrexham is 4th right now and I’m from wales so I would support Wrexham
If Wrexham were to go up there would be an awful lot of silly ppl on here...
No, they are a football club, not a weather system. Case closed. They might do well though, so long as they concentrate on football and not the weather.
Stockport, Bradforf, MK Dons and Gillingham seem to me to be stronger than wrexham and notts co.
Next season we could see Wrexham (women) compete in the Champions League and the (men) competing in League 1.
TDL ⬆️🙌⬆️
No. They will be in for a shock.
Foster will be gone by Christmas. His let any good shot through him last season and the penalty save clouded it. He's 1xg over his saves already. Danny Ward in in January.
Don't think Wexham are strong enough.
Stockport county will be champions 🏆
I agree...Stockport are the best team/squad in League 2 by a country mile...My top 3 are :
1 - Stockport
2 - Gillingham
3 - Bradford 🐔
Wrexham won't go up
Oof. Didn't age well
23 other teams in L2 👍
Not as popular as Wrexham, deal with it.
@@aidygooner all you hear about is Wrexham, what im saying they didnt do this last year or season before they wont talk about the National league, whatever division Wrexham are in they get talked about
@@benflyde2877 if you can't handle the obvious reason why they're the talk of the town these days then you're bitter. It could've been your club but it isn't which you need to accept. Also the media get more reads or clicks talking about Wrexham than the majority of EFL teams so obviously the less popular teams will get less attention 🤷♂️
@@aidygooner not bitter at all, just bored of hearing about Wrexham and not speaking of the league as a whole
@@aidygooner
Not outside Wrexham (and the US); indeed the circus and artificially created media interest led by the likes of Sky has them in danger of becoming even more *un* popular than Salford and MK Dons.
A shame, because they are a proper club with a core of proper supporters.
Doesn’t it show that if thogden can get a role on sky sports the world is truly coming to an end, the guy just waffles the most generic stuff ever
Not with their current manager
🤦♂️
I think they can win the league at this point.
Sui
TDL
He should not be allowed to manage Wrexham or any other club
We have a squad that are full of quality and proven L2 and L1 players how can we not be favourites to go up
It took them 15 years or so to get out of non league ffs
TDL think that notts county is gonna win it
Imagine if wrexham actually managed to win league two!
TDL
Tdl
He dont like wrexham him 😂😂😂
Anyone else tired of the Wrexham hype?
Totally and utterly. The BBC are obsessed with them. Undoubtedly half of Football Focus on Saturday will be dedicated to them. In fact I`m willing to bet that they will have a reporter there for the first game of the season going about Deadpool and his grinning mate and what a wonderful job they are doing. I found the fact that the BBC had a special programme about a non-league team touring their City (thats a joke if ever there was one. Wrexham a City. yeah sure it is) on a open top bus sickening. They have never done it before so why for this club? They brought the Conference and they will probably do likewise with League 2 as they will wait to see the situation come the Winter transfer window and if they are not in the top 3 they will hurl a fortune into new players. What is never mentioned about Wrexham is what comes with them. Thogden mentioned about Wrexham not being somewhere clubs want to go. It`s certainly somewhere a lot of fans of these clubs don`t like to go as Wrexham have an extremely nasty element in their fan base which comes out particually for local clashes as fans of Stockport, Shrewsbury, Chester and my own club etc will testify hence the large number of police they have on duty during their home games.
@@OxtonSWAyep, can’t disagree, as a Wxm fan. My dad was a lifelong SWA fan, from when he was about 7 he went to games til he passed away age 79. Not sure any of us buy into the City thing, everyone says they’re off Into Town, the club has a minor nickname of The Town, too. Most fans don’t have the arrogance that other clubs fans think we’ve got. We are just glad to be back up, the NL was hideous as you know yourself too. I was made up when Tranmere got back up, my dad just missed out seeing it happen sadly. I took him to games right up to that point , even though he was struggling to walk by then. Was happy to give TRFC a cheer, and are in some ways my 2nd club, even though I know we shouldn’t have one! And absolutely, there’s a toxic group of so called fans who attach themselves to the club only for the local derbies etc, with the sole aim of fighting. We know that.
All the best for the new season, hope you do well, and I’ll always be happy to see that.
SCFC
Wait until Wrexham play Gillingham😂 Gills to win League 2
No
Phil Parkinson should be sacked straight away
We’ll be right! Super punctured Paul!
First
Sky sports is finished
I'm a simple man, I see Thogden, I leave a dislike, I leave.
All the hype about wrexham, to be honest they r not that incredible, they r average. R they really that great? McGoldrick is better than mullin, compared to other league 2 sides, they're not anything special, they were good in national League, but r they that great? 😂
So how did mcgoldrick do this year. Wasn't even the best striker on his team.
Come on 1-0 win At Stockport the Gills are Nailed on for promotion
Wonder if Wrexham will be flying to all their games? 🤣🤣🤣
Are you for real 😂
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