Blackmagic ATEM TVS HD8 ISO vs SDI EXTREME ISO | Everything You Need To Know!
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- Today I'm looking at Blackmagic's new ATEM Television Studio HD8 ISO
and putting it against up against the smaller ATEM SDI Extreme ISO to see if the TVS is really worth an extra $2,000. We'll check out some of the TVS's unique features like Internal Recording, Blackmagic CloudStore, Remote Cameras, MADI audio, talkback and more!
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Timecodes:
00:00 Intro
00:28 Specs & Ports
00:40 SDI Inputs
01:15 USB-C Ports
01:26 Gigabit Ethernet
01:47 SDI Outputs
02:30 HDMI Multiview
03:07 Audio Inputs
04:10 Audio Outputs
04:48 Talkback
05:02 Timecode & Reference
05:18 Size & Front Panel Design
06:16 Storage
07:27 UNO Live Stream Graphics
09:26 Internal Networked Storage Demo
14:23 Remote Cameras Demo
20:16 Remote Camera Delay Test
21:49 Remote Camera Return Data
23:45 Overall Thoughts
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Which ATEM would you buy today? Let me know below ⬇
The TVS HD8 ISO is what I’m looking to budget for
the Tvs HD32 iso lol
Thank you for this video. It was a great help. For I'm researching stuff for creating a studio and future traveling location system. The demo on the remote camera was a great help. Really got my brain working. I'm currently working on a budget outline and I am sliding in a consulting budget for you. ;-) This and the "Final Lap" video really got my gears (pun intended) turning
Awesome video. Thank you, Alex, for the great comparison.
Was literally waiting for you to do a video on this before I committed to buying any. Thanks for the video, it was very helpful. HD8 ISO for me
Great to hear! And really glad you found the video useful before making a call on which one was right for you 👍 Enjoy the TVS when it arrives, it’s a fantastic bit of kit!
the atem extreme 4k will be the game changer i am waiting for. love small form factor.
I 100% think we're all waiting for that one. My only worry is, with the technology that around right now, is it actually even possible to get 4K ISO recording in something of that tiny form factor. I worry about overheating. I think we're probably a few years away until the technology is there to safely make it happen :)
@@AlexPettitt 100% agree.
So I gave this video a try, but then realized, not for me (get a lot out of many of your others though), but got busy and never stopped it. Glad I didn't, as the spot for Uno really caught my attention and will be checking them out!
Great stuff, glad you were able to get something out of it :) Let me know how you find UNO :)
Thank you Alex, do you have a course on streaming?
How does the TVS compare to the consteallation? Thanks for the video!
I support the suggestion on the More of AUX Output as it is very important for live studio, I am using ATEM 4M/E which include 6 AUX
Same here :) Still using a 4M/E in one of my old studios and those AUXs are invaluable. Honestly I think a 16 input TVS with 16 Aux Outputs would fly off the shelves for BM :)
Awesome & Thanks :)
I appreciate you man forreal
I wish BMD would allow us to press the Start Recording button again while record is already running so it would automatically start recording to new files with a frame accurate transition.
Ohh this is a nice idea! I swear there is a way to do it already with two SDD drives plugged in (so you can swap between the two). But I really like your idea for being able to split up a recording without loosing any frames :)
@@AlexPettitt Press and hold Record on the HyperDecks to switch SSD/cards.
Hey, are able to output to 4 separate screen from the 4 SDI outputs of the Extreme ISO? If yes, can you choose what is displayed on which screen e.g. program on screen 1 and preview on screen 2?
I have the Atem mini pro iso and want to know what samsung ssd to pair with it.
Have read multiple threads of people having problems and Blackmagics list is out of date.
Alex, great video! Does the recent firmware upgrade for the streaming bridge (adding support for SRT) apply to the built-in streaming bridges in the HD8ISO as well? In other words, can the HD8ISO accept remote SRT feeds? Thanks in advance.
That is a VERY good question. At this stage I haven’t tested this, but as soon as I get my hands on a TVS HD8 ISO I will :)
@@AlexPettitt thanks Alex! I appreciate your response. Have a great day!
@AlexPettitt Hello / in the Atem script can we use "AUX" insted of "camera" to fill the supersouce box . It will make me use only on supersource with interchangable camera input with the use of 2 AUX. Can Aux be looped in the SDI in of the HD8 with out dommage ?
I’ve tried the bridge here in Australia and ran into two big hurdles that made it unusable in practical remote applications:
1- The Atem needs a static IP address, this can be very tricky to obtain especially when operating remotely without paying for special services. Certainly cant be done with a ordinary 5G modem alone.
2 - When trying the stream with the BM G2 broadcast camera, the bitrate was too high to be sustainable with the 4-5G mobile connections. Yes our internet isn’t great compared to other places in the world.
Could you stream RTMP from a BGH1 so the only cable going into the BGH1 is the network/POE cable?
Hi I am looking for some information. Please help me. I am looking for minimum 12 inputs with 10 output switcher with multi window options to show on my projectors. Also I am looking for HDMI . I saw this video and see it has 8 input and 10 out put but on SDI can I convert this to HDMI using SDI to HDMI converter.
wish the new Blackmagic Video Assist has network port also so it can be use for atem tvs hd8 iso
I’ve been using the Extreme HDMI ISO for few years now and I’m very happy with it. I didn’t add any other BMD devices for playing video etc, mostly I’m using a computer to do that and stills for gfx because I’m a one man show most of the time. But I’m also a multimedia manager and a teacher and I do a lot of training for streaming etc. I read something that this new HD8 can play short videos. Can you clarify on that? Thanks!
Hey Gerard, glad to hear you’re enjoying your ATEM Mini Extreme. Unfortunately none of the ATEM models (including the HD8 have video players included. Only stills or image sequences for stingers). I hope this helps, Alex
Really waiting on a 4K ISO product. I don't want to string together a bunch of HyperDecks.. Native 4K ISO and DaVinci file is the dream!
I wonder if they'll ever have HLS encoding
Can you do instant slow mo playback while streaming live game?
How connect same time 2 HDMI laptop. In 2024 no option or we want purchase connector cable ?
It’s got a joystick of course I need the one with the joystick 😂
I mean anything with a joystick is a must in life right? Although heads up, the Joystick is only on the 4K version 😂
Plesss my atem esx sdi iso 8 canal first camera 5 input stop working and 3&4why ?
Uno Overlays looks nice but I wonder what the pricing will be. NewBlue Titler Live is $200 a month and Flowics from VizRT looks like it’s expensive too. Hopefully it’ll be reasonable or else customizing H2R Graphics CSS it is.
Pricing is as reasonable as it get....It's completely free. No free trial or credit card needed...Just the whole thing is FREE :) Hope this helps
What would be great is if they made the 8 SDI Program outputs as bi-directional, so I can choose how I wish to use them.. As there are 10 input select buttons on the panel, and then using shift, you can access the "back page" to select another 10 sources, it would open this switcher wide open... Just a thought!
Ohhh I'd never thought to use them as bi-directional ports... thats a fantastic idea. More inputs when you don't need as many outputs!
I hope you can help me with this... I have a BMPPC 6K G2 and an Atem Mini Extreme Pro (HDMI), the issue occurs when I connect the camera to the atem, the settings on the camera changes (screen blinks) and cannot longer use the 16:9 ratio it seems blocked as well the ProRes codec, only remains some ratios with the BRAW codecs, but none are 16:9 ratios so always get black stripes on the PGM in the Atem mini.
Note: This isn't happen with my BMPPC 4K. All firmwares are updated BTW.
The only way that I found so far to fix it, is using an external monitor with I/O HDMI, connecting the camera to the monitor; with that the camera doesn't change codecs and I can use the 16:9 ratio and the monitor to the Atem. BUT, obviously I lost control over the camera like color correction and tally light, and I need those.
Other way is converting the HDMI signal thought the BM Bidirectional converter HDMI to SDI and again SDI to HDMI. It works, the 16:9 ratio remains but losing again control over the camera. Surfing the web I found that connecting a second SDI cable to return the "control" and works, BUT in that second the cameras blink and change the codec and I ends right where I start, losing the 16:9.
So, do you had any idea of what is going on here? You are my only hope Obi-wan, neither in BlackMagic support are catching my consult and always respond something else.
Try setting your camera's recording mode to Ultra HD (4K) or 1920x1080, both these should not have black bars.
When you use a Blackmagic Camera with an ATEM the two way connection puts it into a special 'live' mode which allows the ATEM to control the camera and disabled some of the cameras features (IE the ability to record in ProRes).
Hope this helps
Alex
I think the SDI Extreme falls very short because of lack of XLR inputs for sound. Otherwise it would be a good alternative, but that is a dealbreaker for lots of us doing live shows.
What about an audio Mixer (for XLR inputs) and a laptop and a streamdeck And an ATEM Extreme ? it would be cheaper and more compact and versatile than the expensive ATEM Television Studio HD8 imo
@@CourtWatchAu for me using a laptop, and I used one before, always had at some point some failures, a dedicated hardware has always been more reliable to me. I have an audio mixer already. the outputs are XLR on the pro equipment. The sound going out to the main stage system, monitors and the live stream or video is quite differently mixed, so you need a mixer that can handle all that. The semi pro or pro mixers have that feature. btw, the other nice feature on a video mixer is a way to control the PTZ cameras, if you have them. You can get a separate remote unit for that but more equipment you need surface space for. The roland units are pretty nice for that but expensive.
@@VoxTone2009 Thankyou for the explanations, you make good points
I’m looking at just dedicating one SDI input to audio and sending stereo analog sound into a box that can embed it.
Soooo how do you get 4k using this?
A 4K with ISO would shake the market
And, the TVS's ISO model STILL does not support SS in DaVinci Resolve post editing, we bought this behemoth a few weeks back as an upgrade to our in house video....... I can't believe that BMD has still not worked this out in this expensive a device... There are loads of requests for this as a feature update since as early as 2020 and nothing has been done about this..... I am loosing faith in them and this is VERY disappointing at this time that they are still ghosting our requests for this option!
I would pay almost anything for a 4K ISO Model
Damn, both of these Switchers are amazing, I'd really like to get my hands on the ATEM TVS HD8 ISO. Great video Alex!
I was so fortunate to get the ATEM Extreme Iso on sale for £600 (sale only lasted 48 hours) and it is the Ideal switcher for my current set up. I need to be on the go, so can't exactly have a big switcher with me, all my gear is HDMI based (I use Fiber HDMI to avoid converters as best as I can), and I only ever use 5 cameras max (so that leaves me 2 inputs for graphics and 1 for a PC input). Ideally I would like some XLR inputs as the 3.5mm ones can be very noisy, and I wouldn't deem them "Professional".
Ironically I don't use the in built streaming encoder of the ATEM, as I'd rather have a "Hyperdeck High" ISO recording to work with than a lower res streaming recording, so I use a URayTech HEVC Encoder to do all the streaming work.
I have a "Pelican type" case build for my ATEM which includes; A Raspberry Pi 4 for Companion & ATEM software control (which my Stream deck plugs into), an 8 port POE switch for networking everything together (and powering PTZ cameras), the URayTech Encoder (which gets a split of the program), 4 HDMI splitters with scalers (2 for the Multiview & Program, and 2 for some of the inputs), a BENQ 21.5 inch monitor mounted into the lid which gets a split of the Multiview and a feed from the Raspberry Pi, the ATEM Extreme Iso, a 6 socket surge protected power extension lead, and dual USB powered Fans to keep the whole case cool. On the outside of the case I used Keystone Wallplates (the kind you'd install on your wall), which has; 8 HDMI inputs, 5 HDMI outputs, 3 USB inputs, 1 Ethernet inputs, 4 Ethernet outputs, 3 powered USB outputs (for changing devices, or powering portable monitors), 2 3.5mm TRS inputs, 1 1/4 inch headphone output and 1 powercon locking connector input.
Would I prefer to use SDI? Yes absolutely, but its completely out of my budget, and I'm lucky I was even able to get my hands on the ATEM Extreme Iso to begin with.
Curious about the pnhub1 at 10:57. 🤔
Haha trust me, so was I when it first turned up on my network. It took me ages to work out it was my Plusnet Hub Router 😂
@@AlexPettitt 😅
You title indicated you were reviewing the SDI Extreme ISO against the TVS, but the entire video was about the TVS, which isn't close to my needs.
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Thanks bud 🙏
I went bigger and better years ago and lost my love for the craft. It’s become burdensome. Maybe if you have partners. Paying people leaves little corn on the cob. Keep it simple.