4K Live Streaming ATEM Mini Extreme Flight Case
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00:00 Intro
00:56 Total Cost
1:13 Reveal
1:49 8U Case
2:40 Opening the Case
3:01 Front Components
3:34 Rear Components
4:08 Why a Patch Panel Setup?
4:47 Powering On
5:01 Wifi Router
5:54 Fan Noise
7:18 Components in Detail
7:22 AC Infinity Extractor Fan
7:32 Hyperdeck Studio HD Mini
8:02 Empty Space
8:27 Web Presenter 4K
8:46 Faceplate
8:56 Cat6A Patch Panel
9:23 Ubiquiti USW 16-POE Switch
9:40 D-Series Patch Panel
10:33 1U Sliding Shelf
11:15 Internal Rack Shelf
11:28 Mean Well Power Supplies
11:52 Apple TVs
12:08 Raspberry Pis
12:30 Mini Converters
13:03 HDMI Cables
13:17 SDI Cables
14:21 Ethernet Cables
14:49 Power Equation
15:09 Ending
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00:00 Intro
00:56 Total Cost
1:13 Reveal
1:49 8U Case
2:40 Opening the Case
3:01 Front Components
3:34 Rear Components
4:08 Why a Patch Panel Setup?
4:47 Powering On
5:01 Wifi Router
5:54 Fan Noise
7:18 Components in Detail
7:22 AC Infinity Extractor Fan
7:32 Hyperdeck Studio HD Mini
8:02 Empty Space
8:27 Web Presenter 4K
8:46 Faceplate
8:56 Cat6A Patch Panel
9:23 Ubiquiti USW 16-POE Switch
9:40 D-Series Patch Panel
10:33 1U Sliding Shelf
11:15 Internal Rack Shelf
11:28 Mean Well Power Supplies
11:52 Apple TVs
12:08 Raspberry Pis
12:30 Mini Converters
13:03 HDMI Cables
13:17 SDI Cables
14:21 Ethernet Cables
14:49 Power Equation
15:09 Ending
Tidy build, nice to see the inside shelf with the power supplies, hadn't thought of that before for all the small devices instead of running a larger power conditioner with IEC cables.
Not going to lie I stole/borrowed the idea from people inside the Here To Record Discord group :) great people there!!
Great build, thanks for sharing with us 🤙🏾
This flight case is so epic it should be part of the MCU
hahahahaha damn what a comment
Love everything about this!
Thank you so much Jesse!
Hell yea so detailed!
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks for sharing the tutorials!
My pleasure!
Nice work, and good content! Subscribed to your channel. Greetings from the Netherlands 😉😃
Thank you so much 🙏
Thanks!
Thank you too, very kind of you!! 🙏
🔥🔥🔥🔥 I NEED THIS
It’s quite an expensive undertaking but worth it if you need to move this kinda of stuff around and don’t want to connect and disconnect all the cables every time you change locations 🔥
Great video mate. Maybe I would add some power UPS as a recommendation for your rack. Just my 2 cents though.
Wow~~ 🤩So nice 👍🏻
Thank you for letting me spend the money on it 🥰
Nice build but how is the USB-C panel jack working with the Thunderbolt speed for the Ultra-Studio for the Key and Fill? Did you ever change it out and if so what did you use? I cannot seem to find a Thunderbolt panel mount jack
great video! what brand is that 8u rack? thanks!
Nice
Which patch panel is that and how are those USB extensions working I've seen them not support the speeds that you need for writing to an SSD in the past hopefully those are good ones
Nicely produced video! Do you find there is any practical advantage to encoding in 4K when the rest of your image pipeline is HD?
Yeah the 4K seems a bit pointless. Basically just for the sake of saying it's streaming in 4K. The image will likely look worse than a high-bit-rate HD stream as it's trying to upscale it and high bitrate HD will always look much better than low bitrate 4K.
I'm trying to find the a similar 8U slim shock mount case and I can't. Do you have any leads.
I've heard ubiquity routers and switches are not good for live streaming have you had any issues? I've heard that they have weird latency or packing issues and cause some live stream encoders to freak out
"This is what I sounds like turned on"
**No noise**
"I guess this is an acceptable noise level"
😂
I'd like to get a mic on that... XD
@@DiegeticAudio me too! 😂
@@FancifulTea FULL 32Bit-floaty?
@@FrameVoyager definitely
There’s definitely some noise there compared to when it’s off 😅
how did you go about mounting all the non-rackable gear to the shelf? I'm beginning to work on a rack project and have a small computer, audio interface and other devices that need to go on shelves. not too keen on double-sided tape or the gross residue from the adhesive Velcro... but, is there a better option??
I actually used velcro, since sometimes I needed to remove things and put them back. It was the best solution I could find at the time!
super video, what's the 8U rack model?
Thanks! Unfortunately no model number as I got it from a local supplier here in Korea.
I’d recommend searching for one in your country :)
Where’s the link for the flight cass
Great build...
Just wondering what would you do if you had more then 8 inputs at a go..
Lets say.. 6 cameras..1 laptop media playing..the hyperdeck..and now lets say you need to add a clean zoom feed 🤔🤔
Unfortunately via inputs in the ATEM, we're limited to 8 only.
So either, when the Zoom call happens, a camera needs to be sacrificed, or there needs to be a work around. A lot of it depends on what you want to show and when.
Work arounds could include:
1) using a second switcher, like a 4 input ATEM Mini Pro etc and having one of the cameras, probably the least used one as one of the inputs and then the output of the ATEM Mini Extreme into another input. Or putting the output of the smaller ATEM Mini into one of the Inputs of the Extreme and then connecting a couple of cameras to that smaller ATEM Mini and then choosing which one to show. Leaving the more important inputs on the main ATEM Extreme.
2) Using something like OBS to bring in the extra source e.g.: the zoom call with some premade scenes + the USB Webcam out of the ATEM so it could still look good. Then outputting OBS to the Web Presenter or just streaming from OBS.
It also really depends on what the Laptop Media and Hyperdeck are doing. If only one is only seen at one time, then there could be something there too.
Hopefully 🤞 we get a 12 / 20 Input ATEM Mini Extreme / Rack mounted switcher or something like that. That would be awesome.
Something between what we have now and the 8K Constellation would be perfect. 😅
How did you secure the ATEM to the sliding drawer ? Velcro, Screws ?
I don’t use anything but I could easily use Velcro.
The reason I don’t use anything is it stays pretty much in the same place due to the cables and the streamdecks
Is there a link to the case itself? Great video.
No link to the case unfortunately as it was from a local company in Korea. You can try googling for Custom Rack Case manufacturers in your own country if Amazon’s offerings are too expensive for shipping (if you’re not in the USA) :)
Nice work!! I can see a few similarities to mine! That thing must be heavy though!! Just please please label everything! Haha
Oh yeah it's pretty heavy, I'll try picking it up on some scales soon.
Yes, I'm looking into the labelling situation 😂 something a bit better than my hand-drawn stickers
@@AnotherCameraChannel you could laser etch them??
@@RyanSomerfield I could! And I did contemplate that option but, if in the future I want to add more things, like the Ultrastudio or another Hyperdeck etc, I may need to rearrange which port is which 😅 and I'd rather not have to unscrew all those connectors again to get the plate below the laser engraver 😉
@@AnotherCameraChannel hmm yeah.. there are also magnetic label holder options and such too.. I’ve started ordering punched patch bays with the label strips on there as it’s a pain to get it after! But nice work mate!
Oh also label makers can do strip labels too, I got a rhino one which you can set custom things for which is super handy! Just make sure to get the super sticky stuff otherwise it will just fall off :)
Hey, that was some serious build there. Got a question with regards to the power supplies. From the video @ 12:55 it looks like you have used one single power source to the 12v and then took from there to the 5v, am I correct with this assumption?... I am in the middle of building a similar rack and I seriously need to understand the power supplies set up. I will appreciate your advise or a link you can point out for me to check things out.
Yes! So the main power plug connects to the 12V power supply, and from the same terminals I am running wires to the 5V’s +, -, and Ground.
The Apple TV’s are also connected this way as they convert mains power by themselves.
Anything that needs 12V is connected to the output of the 12V power supply.
And anything that needs 5V is connected to the output of the 5V power supply.
Hope that helps :) 👍
Thanks for your swift response Xander, do you mind sharing the Amp & wattage of your chosen 5v and 12v power supplies. I am aware that certain calculation is needed to make a choice, but from your video, I seems to have about the same components as yours.
14A 5V - Mean Well LRS-75-5
17A 12V - Mean Well LRS-200-12
I could run the Extreme ISO and at least an extra Hyperdeck off it if I wanted to, but I don't atm.
And for the 5V there's tons of head room, I didn't know if in the future I'd want more mini converters!
I keep the ATEM Extreme using it's normal plug into the PDU as sometimes I have to take it out for other people.
Awesome thanks for your enlightment
What HDMI cables did you use? What brand? Amazon link?
The exact brand I used is in Korea so are not on Amazon, the closest that I’ve found (and I’ve used this brand before) are these:
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I'm genuinely curious why you would want to upscale from HD for 4K streaming.
Here are a few questions:
Why did you put the fan on the front face of the unit (not the back)?
What do you do for confidence monitoring?
Why not have a built in rack mounted folding confidence monitor?
Last, why did you go with that kind of flight case and not something with wheels?
Hello :)
Because I’m always facing the front of the case and the back is pointing towards the onscreen talent, noise coming my way is less of an issue and I can change the controls quickly.
I have a 27”/28” monitor in it’s own case that I use. For the talent I use several TVs.
My rack is too shallow for large screens, mine is only 14” depth, some screens need 19”. And for the smaller flat panels that take up several RUs the quality apparently not good from the reviews I saw.
And lastly, I’m putting this on a table with the draw pulled out for me to press the buttons.
With wheels the case would sit way above the table height which would make the draw height uncomfortable, and in the style that I got, only the 10U and up had wheels, and I have an 8U case :)
@@AnotherCameraChannel Thanks, it was a great video. I think Im going to build it pretty close to yours. 100% using your links too.
Thank you so much!
Good luck with your build, it’s super fun!! 👍
Thanks for sharing your build.
You don't want want to use an Ubiquiti USG / CK2. They get weird went they've dont have a constant connection to an internet.
So you mentioned the parts on the shelf were held down with velcro. My question is what did you use to hold down the ATEM and Stream Decks? I am building a similar case and find the velcro does not really work well with the Stream Decks or ATEM
They were just loose on the shelf because I never turned the box on it’s sides or upside down.
The sticky backed velcro doesn’t work? :(
@@AnotherCameraChannel Thanks. My issue is that my case will be transported across the USA wtih all our other gear on trucks and planes as we go from event to event. I will need to have them not bouce around on the pull out shelf. And now after over 6 hours of searching the only thing I have come up with is some VERY expensive mounts that dont allow for removal when I do need to take them out of the case.
Maybe you could look into some 3D printed solutions that will hold the devices and accept the velcro?
How about foam blocks to pad the shelf and keep pressure on the Velcro?
@@crewdawg257 This is currently under consideration. Testing is planned for next week sometime. We are waiting on a few different pieces of foam to figure out what would be best.
Can you tell me the model of the air extractor. Thank you
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How have you managed to get 4k out of a 1080p switch
The Web Presenter 4K upscales it on broadcast. The 2160p video on CZcams looks better than if it was broadcasted in 1080p. Probably due to higher bitrate after CZcams recompresses.
I would call it "beginners mistake" to let 'beauty' win from 'practical'. Please tell us what you think after 20 road gigs :) At first glance of your video I already felt my back :) I think it is virtually impossible to carry that flight case alone right? I estimate it weighs around 36Kg (80 pounds) maybe more. The case is heavy mainly because you want to make it all look good. A metal shelve and metal panels are adding a lot of weight. After 25 years on the road as a sound engineer, I turned video and made sure my set is as light as possible. Custom made light wood box as small as possible while still holding what I need. My biggest question: Where is the audio? I see a lot of "go on the road' sets on YoutTube but they never mention the audio part. So where is your audio part? But it sure does look very very pretty :)
You're probably right about weight, although I haven't tried weighing it yet, will let you know though.
I've moved it around quite a bit, I can do it. Plus for long distances I have a cart.
Audio is XR18 and X-Touch, I haven't made the video about that setup yet 😉
Either they'll be in one case together, but then I'd probably need a 5U/6U, or I'd have a mini 3U box just for the XR-18 and then put the X-Touch in just something protective for transportation.
Thanks for watching and the comment!
41.8KG 😂💀
@@AnotherCameraChannel Oh my god LOL Please don't lift it alone. Not even a few meters. You will destroy your back and that would be a shame. I appreciate the honesty to share the weight with us :)
I would have split it into 2 smaller cases, with a cable snake that was well labelled and easy to reconnect. The cable would be long enough to allow positioning of cases either side by side... or on top of one another (depending on how you want your setup.)
4K with an Atem extreme? interesting..... :D
😂😂😂 click bait for sure
Is it possible to livestream 4K resolution with ATEM mini extreme iso?
No, the output of all the ATEM Mini’s is maximum 1080p 60. To get a 4K stream I’m using the Web Presenter 4K to upscale the 1080 to 4K.
Hopefully BMD release a 4K ATEM or Constellation style soon.
@@AnotherCameraChannel but it is not a livestream anymore yes, it is prerecorded something
@@hovhannesjulfayan5424 the Web Presenter 4K lets you stream in 4K, and upscale your stream to 4K and is also a 4K webcam capture device over USB-C. But it’s not a recorder itself.
@@AnotherCameraChannel let me clarify. So what you are saying that switcher can be UD, but if cameras and capture device is 4K I can livestream 4K?
Anything you send into the input of the Web Presenter 4K can be HD and it can upscale it to 4K for streaming or capturing via USB-C.
You can choose not to upscale and stream in HD too.
No audio mixing?
XR18 and X-Touch, separate 😉
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If all the Hdmi inputs are 1080p as well as the webcam outputs on the ATEM . How is it a 4K livestreaming unit ? - genuine question....
Web Presenter 4K upscales the input to 4K for streaming.
Where are the monitors?
They are separate, got a 27" Seetec 4K in a case, and we use some TV monitors too. 👍
The title is misleading. ATEM Mini Extreme ISO is only cable of HD. It can only output HD.
THANK YOU! 🤦🏾♂️
he mentioned that he upconverts the stream from 1080p to 4k using the web presenter, clearly you did not watch the entire video.
@@enzopulido2579probably because the title is misleading 🤔
@@enzopulido2579 upscaling does not equal 4K...
Have you ever watched an upscaled version of Enter the Dragon... it's not good. It's not good at all.
Please upload the same video to CZcams one version in HD and one version in upscaled 4K.
When you look on CZcams, the Upscaled 4K version will look better in HD than the original HD.
At least that was the case when this video was made….what 2.5 years ago now?
Ryan Somerfield has also said upscaled 4K is better than just HD.
The fact is though, the image resolution of the upload is still UHD 4K.
So what if the AMEI doesn’t output 4K, I never said it did. Go buy a 4K Constellation and swap it if you want a 4K image pipeline. Stop complaining about a video title.
The methods used in the video gives a better quality result than just streaming and uploading in HD.
I need a giant lazy susan like that 👀
Can handle up to 80kg 😉
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It is not 4K streaming flight case! ATEM Mini can handel only full hd signal. So your whole signal line (including web presenter) is full hd. Not 4K.
Web Presenter 4K upscales it at the end.
@@AnotherCameraChannel it is still full hd signal. upscale, but still full hd. It is not full 4k resolution. To have full 4k you have to have camera with 4k output, mixer handel to receive 4k signal and 4k encoder.
Yeah I know that...
..but CZcams receives a 4K stream so, it's still a 4K streaming flight case.
Never said the full signal was 4K.
Stop getting upset over the title not meaning what you want it to mean.
@@AnotherCameraChannel Just because a chicken has wings doesn't mean it can fly like an eagle. You have one device in your case that can produce a 4K signal. This doesn't mean you're actually streaming in 4k. You output a 4k signal, but you don't achieve that quality. And yes, I have a problem against the title because it misleads the viewer.
A vMix-based streaming set up would be simpler, smaller, lighter, more capable.
Such a deceiving title. You’re not streaming with the ATEM. Your streaming with the Web Presenter 4k, which is upscaling the 1080p image.
The ATEM is just a video switcher in this setup, not the actual streaming encoder.