Fusion 360 - Save as STL is gone!

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    Save as STL in Fusion 360 is missing. It's now called Save as Mesh. This is because Fusion 360 now supports native 3MF files - which are better than STL files in many ways. Watch this video to learn 7 reasons why you should switch start using 3MF files and ditch STL files for good!
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    00:00 - What is a 3MF file? - 3MF Explained
    00:22 - 7 Reasons 3MF is better than STL
    01:13 - 3MF files include scale information
    01:24 - 3MF files include texture, colors, and materials
    01:33 - 3MF files are a smaller file size than STL
    02:00 - 3MF includes the author name, description, copyright
    02:15 - 3MF uses manifold surfaces
    02:31 - 3MF includes manufacture settings
    02:59 - 3MF is readable by a human
    03:27 - How to import 3MF File in Fusion 360
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Komentáře • 813

  • @The_Wosh
    @The_Wosh Před 2 lety +176

    It's all cool until you need to use two different machines, suddenly you have to worry about settings too instead of just checking if the unit scale is correct

    • @pringineer1027
      @pringineer1027 Před 2 lety +5

      Well you do not NEED to include manufacturing settings. You can set them up just like stls basically

    • @Hydraks81
      @Hydraks81 Před 2 lety +7

      @@pringineer1027 you still need to verify of there is printer settings in each files you download, and when you save 3mf with cura you may saved your printer A settings that doesn't match with printer B.
      It's easier to work with STL files and use 3mf with name that specify the printer used in case you want to print again a model with same settings.

    • @Linuxdirk
      @Linuxdirk Před 2 lety +5

      Yes, and this is why 3MF is crap. Also custom (potentially malicious) gcode right in the file.

    • @Hydraks81
      @Hydraks81 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Linuxdirk good point as well. Even more reason to not use 3mf from the net

    • @sotm6078
      @sotm6078 Před 3 měsíci

      @@Hydraks81 Actuallt .STEP files work way better than either stl or 3mf!!

  • @willstikken5619
    @willstikken5619 Před 2 lety +313

    saving your own files in 3MF is fine. Using other peoples 3MF files is riskier and often generates failed prints or more work making corrections than using an STL file.

    • @fwiffo
      @fwiffo Před 2 lety +35

      A lot worse than generating failed prints... 3mf files can contain custom gcode. If you're not careful, a malicious person can break your printer.

    • @azerjinn9160
      @azerjinn9160 Před 2 lety +5

      @@fwiffo holy crap

    • @defenestrated23
      @defenestrated23 Před 2 lety +4

      @@fwiffo so, uh, don't run untrusted gcode and slice it yourself? Is the file format going to hijack your 3d printer and run without you hitting the start button? I don't think so. This is a non-issue.

    • @fwiffo
      @fwiffo Před 2 lety +28

      ​@@defenestrated23 I don't think you understand the issue. If you open the 3mf file in your slicer, slice it yourself, then print it, you will run the malicious payload. The gcode in the 3mf gets injected into the output gcode of the slicer, that's the point of that feature, and how temperature towers and stuff work. Slicing it yourself doesn't remove the risk at all!
      Yes, you can work around that. You import the 3mf as an object instead of opening it normally, but that defeats the whole purpose of using a 3mf file because it just imports it as a mesh. Most users won't know to do that. You could also inspect every setting yourself for malicious gcode, but that's error-prone and too difficult for many users. Or you could reset all the settings to your defaults, but that defeats the purpose of using a 3mf.
      Most users will just double-click on the file, slice, and print. They will have no idea of the security issue, particularly with videos like this advocating for this dangerous practice. They will have no idea of the risk.
      Many, many users (particularly inexperienced ones) have cheap Chinese printers. Many of those have no thermal runaway protection. Malicious gcode can start a fire on such a printer!

    • @RichardGQue
      @RichardGQue Před 2 lety

      @@defenestrated23 malicious files don't always pertain to the thing the file type is related to. the danger is to the computer you downloaded and sliced the file on, not some dumb prank with the printer.

  • @Ojref1
    @Ojref1 Před 2 lety +78

    No, we don't all agree wojack. STL format is not some static convention from 1987, it has evolved over time.

    • @brianindiana9375
      @brianindiana9375 Před 2 lety +3

      I'm with you

    • @nocare
      @nocare Před 2 lety

      In what ways is STL superior to 3MF? Generally curious if there are any.
      Compatibility issues don't count because if you can argue we should keep using something for compatibility that is equivalent to saying we should keep using it 1000 years from now. Nothing ever updates to use better standards if we don't transition at some point to those standards being the default instead of just another option.
      Choosing something for compatibility reasons should be something we do grudgingly because reality gets in the way.

    • @ancienttech4603
      @ancienttech4603 Před 2 lety +13

      @@nocare Wrong. If you are sharing models, compatibility is paramount. I have my printer configured, all I want is geometry. Anything else is wasted at best.
      Being designed by a consortium also raises alarms for me. XHTML anyone?
      The "new" factor is a logical fallacy. Have we stopped using wheels?

    • @nocare
      @nocare Před 2 lety +1

      @@ancienttech4603 We have stopped using wooden wheels.
      The best trains in the world don't use wheels at all.
      Just because something works does not mean it can't be better.
      Saying you have your printer configured is paramount to saying I am to lazy to do something new even if its better.
      You obviously didn't read what I said about compatibility.
      I never said it wasn't a requirement. I said it isn't a reason to use an old system if the new one will work.
      If all parties involved can support a new standard then there is no compatibility conflict.
      If compatibility was a valid argument we would still use wooden wheels because we need our current wheels to be compatible with the first ever generation of cars.

    • @a0flj0
      @a0flj0 Před 2 lety +11

      @@nocare Less is sometimes more. Storing printer specific data inside the printable model was a bad idea. It may be presented as a feature, but in fact it's a design bug. It makes 3MF files inherently non-portable.
      Plus, XML is a horrible file format and STL files can be compressed or uncompressed too. The more efficient file format may be more efficient for a human to read or an editing application to modify, but for a printer, who just wants to print layer after layer, it's more computations. And millimeters are the unit any real engineer uses anyway (unless he works on tiny precision mechanics stuff, in which case he goes for microns).

  • @sipos0
    @sipos0 Před 2 lety +61

    The fact that it apparently can contain gcode that is used as is, and can therefore potentially be used to make a file that breaks printers it is printed on, seems a huge downside and a really dumb choice.

    • @defenestrated23
      @defenestrated23 Před 2 lety +2

      So don't run the gcode part and slice it yourself. Problem solved.
      No different than downloading a .gcode off the internet.

    • @fwiffo
      @fwiffo Před 2 lety +9

      @@defenestrated23 The gcode still gets injected if you slice it yourself. Thats the point of 3mf files, to keep printer and filament specific settings, including custom gcode.
      Please don't spread dangerous misinformation. 3mf files should never be shared.

    • @FamilyManMoving
      @FamilyManMoving Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah. Let's run rando code on an industrial toaster. Nothing bad can happen.

    • @fwiffo
      @fwiffo Před 2 lety +1

      @@FamilyManMoving No kidding; think of all the cheap Chinese printers that don't properly implement thermal protection. Prepare for house fires.

  • @rolf-smit
    @rolf-smit Před 2 lety +158

    Nothing really wrong with .STL, it did exactly what it was designed for: hold information about triangles in the unit type millimeters. I think it was just not enough for many people, and it seems also that it was badly standardized which caused the unit mix-up.

    • @sfrrob
      @sfrrob Před 2 lety +58

      Why on Earth does anybody use anything BUT the metric system?
      I agree, nothing wrong with STL.
      I somehow don't think 3MF will catch on honestly. It's like trying to tell Americans to use the metric system.

    • @Anvilshock
      @Anvilshock Před 2 lety +11

      @@sfrrob Not a point of metric vs whatever. It's not even clear which unit _from the metric system_ it's using, because it doesn't use any unit AT ALL.

    • @ShadowVVoIf
      @ShadowVVoIf Před 2 lety +13

      ​@@sfrrob Metric being based off of a repeatable standard found in nature is where it stands firm. Imperial was designed in the early days where calculating that standard was not practical and focused heavily on being able to calculate it by hand, hence a lot of the measurements in imperial being based around a halving rule (half of 1 is 2, half of 2 is 4, half of 4 is 16, etc). Both systems have their merits and their detriments. I for one hate how condensed Celsius is for living temperatures and base 10 has issues in mathematics, base 12 works cleaner.

    • @brianhilligoss
      @brianhilligoss Před 2 lety +6

      @@sfrrob most Americans under 45 know both systems. So nice try trying to bash Americans.

    • @dralionblackheart6643
      @dralionblackheart6643 Před 2 lety +15

      @@brianhilligoss Not at all. I know quite a bit Americans under 45 that don't know what is a Kilogram or a centimeter. Its good to know that the public system is addressing that issue. I hope

  • @milosmrdovic7233
    @milosmrdovic7233 Před 2 lety +433

    In a nutshell: 3mf=complicated, stl=simple. It's not one over the other, it's about using the right tool for the job. Since I don't care about textures, manufacturing info, thumbnails and I don't mind setting the correct scale, stl is a perfect choice for my day to day printing needs.

    • @Unmannedair
      @Unmannedair Před 2 lety +37

      Exactly. Keep it stupid simple.

    • @Danielism
      @Danielism Před 2 lety +27

      I have over 500 seperate STL files for my one specific product.. they only require proper scale in mm and that's it. Right tool for the right job.

    • @thecrapadventuresofchesimo420
      @thecrapadventuresofchesimo420 Před 2 lety +15

      Concur. Same here.
      [Edit] if you draw it right, you don't end up with non-manifold issues. Also, the OS generates thumbnails for .stl if you have software that can open it, also .stl is also royalty free, also... I could go on.
      I get the desire to move on, but sometimes adding adds nothing but headaches. I will not be moving on if I don't have to.

    • @shawncrocker7037
      @shawncrocker7037 Před 2 lety +48

      Totally here you. It's just sooooo hard to push the save button when .3mf is select. It must be all that extra stuff that's getting saved that makes that button really hard to press down. And not only that, everytime I select .3mf, it suddenly becomes sooo complicated to even find the save button! Yep, .3mf definitely equals too complicated.

    • @milosmrdovic7233
      @milosmrdovic7233 Před 2 lety +18

      @@shawncrocker7037 The point is understanding the pros and cons of tools, techniques and methods that are available to you and employing the right one to solve the problem at hand. This is one of the basic principles of engineering. It would be unwise to blindly adopt whatever you see on CZcams without understanding the implications of it. You don't have to go beyong this very comments seciton to see how many issues people are experiencing with the 3mf format. Clearly, there are many drawbacks to it, but that doesn't mean you should never use it. Use it where it makes sense.

  • @ShadowVipers
    @ShadowVipers Před 2 lety +74

    While I think 3mf has some great qualities, I'm still going to keep using STLs since 3mf stores printer specific parameters which often makes it a pain to just throw into a slicer, export and print (without encountering some form of issue)... If they remove that, or have an alternative to 3mf which doesn't contain printer specific parameters then I'd probably adopt it in a heartbeat.

    • @Ozification
      @Ozification Před 2 lety +9

      Might I suggest .obj files also called wavefront obj files. It saves the 3d model similar to a .stl file but keeps the dimensions of the 3d model, is smaller in size, and any slicer or 3d program recognizes and can open it. it also doesn't store printer specific parameters. They literally can be thrown into a slicer, exported, and printed unlike 3mf files.

    • @MrPablosek
      @MrPablosek Před 2 lety +1

      @@Ozification I second this!

    • @daviddunmore8415
      @daviddunmore8415 Před 2 lety

      Me too, I like .obj files, they're fine in the current version of Cure (and the previous 2 or 3 versions too).

    • @fwiffo
      @fwiffo Před 2 lety

      It's much more of an issue of printer-specific parameters. If you get a 3mf file from someone else it could contain hostile gcode that could damage your printer, or maybe even cause a fire.

    • @Kevoj251
      @Kevoj251 Před 8 měsíci

      Who is sending sliced .3mf files?? That's dumb. That sounds more like a gcode file. I only ever save, export, and slice .3mf files. I've had zero issues and I run a 3d industrial printing company. Stl files are fucking huge headache on so many levels. So many more relevant issues.

  • @sergarlantyrell7847
    @sergarlantyrell7847 Před 2 lety +10

    Including printer specific instructions was a bad idea. They're more hastle than STL for importing into a slicer to set it up for your own individual printer.
    Just stop using inches, do everything in mm and STL files work fine.

    • @GPSpector
      @GPSpector Před 2 lety

      Sorry, I live in the US. I'm not going to stop using inches because you find metric easier.
      I've been using g Sketchup with inches and have not had a problem printing what I design.

  • @Atticore
    @Atticore Před 2 lety +43

    STL's are so much more convenient. It's fine that 3mf exists, but removing the STL option is a big mistake.

    • @DIYToPen
      @DIYToPen Před 2 lety +5

      It's not removed, it's an option in the export as mesh options.

    • @thingswelike
      @thingswelike Před 2 lety +1

      They really didn't remove it - clickbait youtube title. In fact STL is still the default mesh type

  • @ChemicalArts
    @ChemicalArts Před 2 lety

    I've been saving as 3mf since fusion 360 changed the default. I didn't realize it had all these advantages. Thanks, Kevin.

  • @ScruffR70
    @ScruffR70 Před 2 lety +13

    I had an "issue" printing the 3MF file as it came out of F360 when I imported it to Cura 4.11
    Not only does the 3MF object now appear at 0/0 where the STL was centered on the build plate, it also aligned to the zero Z position placing anything I extruded into the negative direction below the build plate and hence not printing it.
    I had to lift the object to get all the features printed - something to remember 😉

    • @Vipcioo
      @Vipcioo Před 2 lety

      Try the same on a clean system and you might be surprised ...

  • @chaos.corner
    @chaos.corner Před 2 lety +3

    For me, the interesting things would be to be able to add colors and also to be able to specify non-printable parts of the object (Though it slips my mind why this would have been useful. I think I wanted to be able to display information on the model in openscad but not have it present when I exported. Though that would probably be something openscad would be better handling).

  • @gavincification
    @gavincification Před 2 lety

    I've reccently started using 3mf from 3d Builder, but perviously I was using 3mf to design multiples varients and save those varients as STL for printing, as I thought STL was a 'simple' file and 3mf was a 'complex' file..
    But after realising I can use the 3mf i don't bother, and now I'm glad I did.
    This will be the reason I had trouble with subtracting portions of imported stl's - the triangle counts were enormouns for a flat plane.

  • @garycrowhurst2220
    @garycrowhurst2220 Před 2 lety +17

    I changed to 3mf awhile ago. still only seen file size differences so far but then again I don't make very complicated models. I do like the fact that i can edit the files in what ever 3d package i want though and not have to deal with scale and compatibility issues.

  • @ArielLothlorien
    @ArielLothlorien Před 7 měsíci

    Can this be used from the manufacturing area of fusion360 with supports?

  • @rbsox0
    @rbsox0 Před 2 lety

    Very informative… I have been exporting from F360 as STL for a long time, but now have a Prusa 3D printer so 3MF will be my format of choice now. Thanks for the great video!

  • @ewaldikemann4142
    @ewaldikemann4142 Před 2 lety +19

    When I can perfectly reload a model in 3MF in PrusaSlicer, I'll switch over :-)

    • @cnc-maker
      @cnc-maker Před 2 lety +4

      Use the OBJ file format instead, and you can do that today. 3MF is not really better than STL, just smaller.

    • @kimnielsen9320
      @kimnielsen9320 Před 2 lety +1

      Have you tried the 2.4.0 Alpha version? ,this version loads the model in 3mf perfect

    • @ewaldikemann4142
      @ewaldikemann4142 Před 2 lety

      @@kimnielsen9320 I'll try - Thank you!

    • @darrennew8211
      @darrennew8211 Před 2 lety

      @@cnc-maker I only use it to save Prusa-sliced STLs that I modified the default settings for.

  • @flyingwebsolutions8208
    @flyingwebsolutions8208 Před 2 lety +2

    I didn't know about it. I'll start to this new extension file ❤️❤️ Thanks super helpful

  • @MisterMakerNL
    @MisterMakerNL Před 2 lety +16

    How many autodesk credits does exporting a model cost?

  • @101rotarypower
    @101rotarypower Před 2 lety +6

    Anything that helps clarify details like this is SUPER helpful! So many things we just trip over and move on to the task at hand, the more details like this are explained clearly, the better things will get!
    Still wish we had a universal file type for design history!!!
    So many shared files would be easily modified to suit other uses, but everyone struggles to use them for the needed changes that make it usually easier to just remodel...

    • @ProductDesignOnline
      @ProductDesignOnline  Před 2 lety +4

      Agreed - we need the CAD companies to have a consortium for a universal parametric design file :)

    • @arthurny3914
      @arthurny3914 Před 2 lety +1

      Would be too much to have happen because features in one CAD package don't exist in the others so there's noting for it to translate to. Much like how some words in one language are not 1:1 in another.

    • @nocare
      @nocare Před 2 lety

      ​@@arthurny3914 There are ways around that problem. Just because it would be hard and cost a lot doesn't mean we the consumer shouldn't demand it.
      Consumers don't get what's best for the consumer often enough.

  • @tcurdt
    @tcurdt Před 2 lety +26

    While I agree in general, the first reason is bogus. STLs are in mm - period. There is no confusion. If other software uses the wrong units it's just buggy. That's not really the problem of the format.
    While plain text is great, I don't think XML is the greatest choice here. But fair enough.

    • @mrvisual2482
      @mrvisual2482 Před 2 lety +3

      Yes, almost always mm, but it's not a standard. So there are no wrong units, there are no units at all. From a professional point of view, STL is therefore only acceptable with a technical drawing or at least one defined dimension.

    • @tcurdt
      @tcurdt Před 2 lety +3

      @@mrvisual2482 It might be too implicit for some, but it was created with mm in mind said the creator - that's enough for me to classify other units as not conforming.

    • @LuLeBe
      @LuLeBe Před 2 lety +1

      @@tcurdt in practice it almost never matters but honestly a good standard that's written as a spec, not as a Twitter reply, is often very valuable and while I still prefer STL for my workflow I see the benefit.

  • @mikeneron
    @mikeneron Před 2 lety +8

    Will definitely give the 3mf format a go. Thanks for the tip.

    • @mikeneron
      @mikeneron Před 2 lety

      I'm finding when you open the 3mf files into Cura or Prusa Slicer they go to the 0,0 position. In Cura, I have to right click on the model and then click on Reset All Model Positions and then it goes to the middle and will actually slice. So adds an extra step you have to do each time. Hopefully there's an easy fix for this? I would gather it has something to do with how it's modeled in Fusion 360 as if I move it away from the origin, then it moves that amount in the slicer. Just not ideal if you have different printers so would be nice if it just loaded it in the center each time.

    • @XxX0Fanta0Holik0XxX
      @XxX0Fanta0Holik0XxX Před 2 lety

      @@mikeneron my stls in cura are always in the center on the buildplate... Thats a setting thing and not the format of the file...

    • @kevinwarner959
      @kevinwarner959 Před 2 lety

      @@XxX0Fanta0Holik0XxX Mike is correct. He is referring to 3MF files not STL. STLs import into the center of the build plate in CURA, 3MF files import outside the build plate in the bottom left corner for some strange reason.

  • @brianindiana9375
    @brianindiana9375 Před 2 lety +22

    You still could have just kept the old option for printing as stl, don't see why there was a need to remove it all together

    • @andyspoo2
      @andyspoo2 Před 2 lety +2

      Completely agree. People should be allowed to choose.

    • @OspreyKnight
      @OspreyKnight Před 2 lety +6

      Its still there, it just is no longer the default option.

    • @pringineer1027
      @pringineer1027 Před 2 lety +2

      What a weird statement. You can still save as stl

    • @santiagocaro5584
      @santiagocaro5584 Před 2 lety +1

      Literally in 3:49 you can see STL

  • @HorizonMakes
    @HorizonMakes Před 2 lety +15

    I really prefer STLs since they are dropped on the center of the bed. 3MFs drop in their location in the CAD program, which basically always means I have to move the model around a lot, something I didn't have to with STLs.

    • @ProductDesignOnline
      @ProductDesignOnline  Před 2 lety

      Agree that it's a pain point in many slicers/programs, as it's based on the origin (most in lower-left corner). In Cura, right-click object > Center Selected. (I believe there's a shortcut for it, but can't recall it at the moment).

    • @HorizonMakes
      @HorizonMakes Před 2 lety

      @@ProductDesignOnline didn't know that was a thing, thanks for the tip! The extra clicks are still annoying, though...

    • @fwiffo
      @fwiffo Před 2 lety

      The other major pain point of 3MF files is that they can contain hostile gcode that could burn down your house.

  • @stoyandimov6604
    @stoyandimov6604 Před rokem

    Straight away i am starting only using 3MF files. Thanks for opening my eyes.❤

  • @Cr1msonFir3
    @Cr1msonFir3 Před 2 lety

    My first thought was, 'but it's still in the drop down menu.....' now that I've watched the video it makes sense. Definitely going to switch.

  • @whammeister3002
    @whammeister3002 Před 2 lety

    I've been using stls ever since I started modeling, so it was pretty jarring to see this title, but I'm totally on board with the change now. Thanks for the great information :)

  • @LastBastionLabs
    @LastBastionLabs Před 2 lety

    Thank you! 3mf worked great for me in Creo 7.0. Much improved.

  • @SpinStar1956
    @SpinStar1956 Před 2 lety +15

    Always get great info on this channel 😃
    I was totally unaware about 3MF and thought you had to convert to STL for the slicer.
    Anyway, I will use 3MF for all my future designs.
    Thanks Kevin!

  • @pupeno
    @pupeno Před 2 lety

    Definitely will give it a try. Thank you for sharing this!

  • @karlosss1868
    @karlosss1868 Před 2 lety

    Yep... Been saving as STL for years, Will now try .3MF on your recommendation.

  • @Viking8888
    @Viking8888 Před 2 lety

    Thanks for this. I'm definitely going to give 3MF a shot!

  • @ReidarVik
    @ReidarVik Před 2 lety

    This is something I have been longing for. Thanks!

  • @flyingmonkey3822
    @flyingmonkey3822 Před 2 lety +1

    #1 reason to use .stl : slicers use it
    Get me a .3mf capable slicer and I’ll switch. Didn’t notice you mention it in the video despite seeing Prusa’s logo.

    • @exMuteKid
      @exMuteKid Před 2 lety +1

      Cura slicer uses 3MF and STL, unfortunately the slic3r software doesn't

  • @Hawk7886
    @Hawk7886 Před 2 lety +5

    So basically, there are no good reasons for using 3MF files for hobbyists. Thanks, I'll continue using STL forever.

    • @kityhawk2000
      @kityhawk2000 Před 2 lety +1

      Lol I was thinking this. My favourite was if you change it to a zip you can see a thumbnail of the image.... But I can just see the thumbnail of an stl in the file explorer and even if I couldn't it literally takes 1 second to open the file and view it in the 3d viewer that comes standard with Windows. I've never had the10x bigger thing just sounds like people aren't reading the size properly and I can't imagine how you could ever have that problem if you are making your own models.

  • @jimshafer970
    @jimshafer970 Před 2 lety

    I use Fusion 360 and Cura. 3MF files work beautifully. I changed to 3MF and enjoy the smooth process and better results.

  • @swamihuman9395
    @swamihuman9395 Před 2 lety +1

    Thx, Kevin. There are clear advantages. One workflow thing that would be nice - which I haven't been able to find - is a MacOS 'Quick Look' for 3MF (actual 3D model, not just thumbnail - though that would be better than nothing). This doesn't negate all the advantages, of course, but does slightly limit the efficiency of managing 3MFs. TIA.

    • @95LegendGS
      @95LegendGS Před 2 lety +1

      yes Mac is awesome for .STL previews!

    • @swamihuman9395
      @swamihuman9395 Před 2 lety

      @@95LegendGS Very convenient/helpful, indeed :)

  • @courtneybradbury7759
    @courtneybradbury7759 Před 2 lety +3

    Great content. I have used both and didn't understand the underlying differences. In general, I try not to use meshes at all but it is nearly unavoidable for 3d printing and rendering work. Keep up the great work!

  • @dkrol997
    @dkrol997 Před 2 lety

    It’s funny I have had to switch to 3mf as my computer was getting mad about STL and cura slicer and have had amazing luck now seeing this it makes sense why

  • @helge1104
    @helge1104 Před 2 lety

    Thank`s I will have a second look at this file type now after this video, now I know more and find this promissing. stl file are not perfect that i know but it works and there for its not like i go around looking for other alternatives just to potentially make more issues.
    But as always your videos are priceless in getting the message out there i a good way... thank you

  • @StephenBoyd21
    @StephenBoyd21 Před 2 lety

    I've been using EXACTLY this over the weekend.

  • @milos975
    @milos975 Před 2 lety

    That's very good information and yes, I'll start using 3MF from now. Thanks.

  • @RogerGarrett
    @RogerGarrett Před 2 lety +14

    You can STILL save from Fusion 360into an STL file. You first select Save Mesh and then you have the option to save as 3MF, STL binary, or STL ASCII.
    I tried using the 3MF option but when I imported it into the PRUSA Slicer I initially had trouble FINDING the object. It seems that 3MF essentially includes the ORIGIN data. My particular part was way the heck AWAY from the origin in Fusion 360 so when it got into PRUSA Slicer is was way off the displayed printer bed. I could move it back onto the bed, but when I tried to do rotation of it the rotation was around the origin, which then was way off the displayed bed. This 3MF file format may be the recommended format, but I had to go back to STL in order to get it to work with the PRUSA Slicer.

  • @narizdecochino5710
    @narizdecochino5710 Před 2 lety

    Wow! Great video! I'll start exporting my files in 3MF. Thanks :)

  • @georgeserrano8354
    @georgeserrano8354 Před 2 lety

    I'm a newbie, thanks for the explanation. I will try this soon.

  • @stewgy
    @stewgy Před 2 lety

    Popped up in my feed and immediately said thank god! finally! Working with STLs is terrible.

  • @photelegy
    @photelegy Před rokem

    Thank you very much for this clarification.
    I definitely will use .3mf for my 3D-printable files.
    But what's the difference to .obj, ...? Is there a reason to use .obj in different scenarios?

  • @zaida.sideeq7921
    @zaida.sideeq7921 Před 2 lety +2

    I am amateur in 3d printing and modeling. I started using 3mf instead of stl, the only difference i noticed is the size of file 😅.

  • @tytendo64
    @tytendo64 Před 2 lety

    I didn't know how old stl is and how much more 3mf has. Thank you for telling me this information

  • @Deses
    @Deses Před 2 lety

    I stopped exporting stls as soon as I saw that 3mf was available in Fusion360 and I understood what it meant using it!

  • @SpinStar1956
    @SpinStar1956 Před 2 lety

    Kevin, question: STL files require cloud processing which at times can take a long time; I’ve waited up to 30 minutes!.
    I notice the generation of 3MF files is super quick; is the 3MF being generated on my computer instead?
    Thanks again for all you do!

  • @andypuempel2570
    @andypuempel2570 Před 2 lety

    I'm going to become an adopter of 3MF files. Nice introduction video!

  • @nitzan220
    @nitzan220 Před 2 lety

    I will Surely use!
    Dose it support solid works?

  • @Alexander-kn1md
    @Alexander-kn1md Před 2 lety

    do these files work for 3d printers like the anicubic photon mono, eta.
    and does this work on slicers like citubox?

  • @UndeathRob
    @UndeathRob Před 2 lety

    As a newbie I did not know this! I will republish the files using 3mf! This may help remixing my designs (at least it sounds so) :)

  • @LucasTry
    @LucasTry Před 2 lety

    Definitly YES, I'm now going to use 3mf files

  • @chuysaucedo7119
    @chuysaucedo7119 Před 2 lety

    Yes. I will start using 3MF. thanks for the video

  • @CrazyCronicAvenger
    @CrazyCronicAvenger Před 2 lety

    I didn't know about 3mf but been printing and using f360 for 11 years and im instantly sold will use 3mf sounds way better

  • @elvinhaak
    @elvinhaak Před 2 lety

    Yes, I do it all the time nowadays. Even if it was just of the size and ease of use of my own files.

  • @ae2882
    @ae2882 Před 2 lety

    thanks for this valuable information. I will start using 3MF files

  • @raspberrypi4970
    @raspberrypi4970 Před 2 lety

    I will try it today.
    Thanks for the info my good sir..👍

  • @elitesennabubble
    @elitesennabubble Před 2 lety

    fine, you have convinced me
    i will probably save in both stl and 3mf

  • @dubbleUmaster
    @dubbleUmaster Před 2 lety

    Ok, I'm convinced. Looks like an improvement.

  • @larsniklassonhede3798
    @larsniklassonhede3798 Před 2 lety

    Thanks for the information to save in 3MF. I didn't know about it. I have only used .stl before.

  • @FrancoisMathieu
    @FrancoisMathieu Před 2 lety

    Good to know! I’ll try it for sure. Thanks.

  • @Mr1FTW
    @Mr1FTW Před 2 lety

    All points are valid. Period!
    However. And for me who more or less only use Fusion 360 for personal/hobby 3D-printing - not all 3D-printing slicers that I use can import .3MF. One of my main slicers I currently use is Chitubox - and I just confirmed that it (free v.1.9.0) still cannot import .3MF-format files. Sure, there are alternatives - but then the goal is to try and find a workaround - not to explain why I still use .STL. But I will get there eventually - the benifits are surely there... and the updates will come. ;)
    Thanks for your time and effort

  • @emachine898
    @emachine898 Před 2 lety +6

    Already have started using 3MF. It's a pain though as the models don't import into Cura well, they always end up in the wrong plane and off the side of the build plate, requiring extra handling.

    • @mophie6941
      @mophie6941 Před 2 lety +1

      This is exactly why I think 3MF is trash and why I still use stl. You can't even reload the damn file in cura/prusa slicer...

    • @greevous
      @greevous Před 2 lety +2

      as a quick workaround, right-click then select auto-arrange models, it does this because the 3d design software includes the x0,y0 information in the file and Cura places the model on the build plate based on that location information. If you put a square in your design software the size of your build plate you can locate your model for printing while you are designing your model.

    • @mophie6941
      @mophie6941 Před 2 lety

      @@greevous Thanks for the info, the "wrong placing" was a big off for me but I will definitely try that.

  • @toastinat0r
    @toastinat0r Před 2 lety

    Curious question. Would .3mf files have more detail since they are not translated into meshes? Forexample: a low mesh cylinder .stl you can see vertical lines. It’s not a perfect circle. Maybe I have this wrong?

  • @guritche
    @guritche Před 2 lety

    Always fantastic information and to the point. TKS!

  • @Bob0sModelFabWorx
    @Bob0sModelFabWorx Před 2 lety

    This is great news to hear. I never knew this but I will be using that option from now on.
    One question though. Can a STL be converted to 3MF in any programs before inserting into F360?

    • @Anvilshock
      @Anvilshock Před 2 lety +1

      Sure it can, but there isn't much of a point to do so. As in, there is not really anything (worthwhile) that you could add in other software that you couldn't also add during import into Fusion.

  • @juliannojungle
    @juliannojungle Před 2 lety +5

    This is really promising, never had heard of it. Loved it, loved the fact that color and materials are included. Surely I'll start using it! Thanks a lot for sharing!

    • @the_arcanum
      @the_arcanum Před 2 lety

      First came in contact with this format back in the late 90's when Apple's Quicktime incorporated it. If it hasn't become a standard after all these years and so few software use it, i'm pretty sure it won't get enough momentum for wide adoption. Stay away from it if you don't want serious strain to your workflow...

  • @tango_sierra8608
    @tango_sierra8608 Před 2 lety

    I’ve been watching you old playlist at work to learn and you are BY FARRR the best resource to learn. You are AMAZING at teaching. Please never stop teaching us

  • @Sevetamryn
    @Sevetamryn Před 2 lety

    Yes, your arguments are right, however, the slicers i have available for very affordable SLA printers do not support 3MF :( ( shitubox / photon )

  • @soggynode
    @soggynode Před 2 lety

    I'll need to do a bit more research and learning prior to jumping on board with 3mf. It seems to work fine on my designs with a single body but when I try it on a design with multiple bodies, it saves all the bodies as individual parts. When I open the .3mf file in Cura, I get meshes for all bodies that make up the model, not one completely assembled mesh. I'm sure it's just a me thing and something easy to remedy.

  • @kriss667
    @kriss667 Před 2 lety

    Seems useful. I'll look into this, thanks for sharing all the info

  • @JoeBob79569
    @JoeBob79569 Před 2 lety

    I'm pretty new to 3D printing but I think 3mf files could get messy with printer settings, especially for somebody new to printing. Particularly with settings being carried over.
    I mean, in one sense it might be better if the designer's settings are automatically loaded into the printer, so a newbie won't have to set the settings, but then, do those settings stay in the printer for the next print if you load an stl file?
    What if you have a different nozzle, for example?
    How does it work with resin vs filament?
    And, if you change the settings in your slicer with the 3mf model loaded, do they save to the 3mf file/model?
    I kind of like the simplicity of having the model and printer and the gcode being totally separate.

  • @RufusVidS
    @RufusVidS Před 2 lety

    I see Cura slicer has 3mf on the list for file open. But for those who like the stl format, is there a simple utility to convert from 3mf to stl?

  • @jordistoop3682
    @jordistoop3682 Před 2 lety

    Will start using 3mf. Fairly new to printing so I don’t mind switching so much

  • @jeffhulett4194
    @jeffhulett4194 Před 2 lety

    Thanks for posting this, I had no idea.

  • @SourceOfObesity
    @SourceOfObesity Před 2 lety +11

    Fusion 360, in the "Save as mesh" popup window, it seems impossible to select 3MF as long as one has selected "send to 3D print utility". Is that just me or are everyone else getting that as well? Messes up my workflow.. :-P

    • @TigerPile
      @TigerPile Před 2 lety +1

      Same issue. I don't know enough about inter-program stuff like that to really understand if there are reasons, but I wonder if being a package of multiple files makes it harder to pass off to another application. Maybe not, maybe it is just something that they will add later.

    • @halsaresnowpaw522
      @halsaresnowpaw522 Před 2 lety +1

      I'm guessing that is because Autodesk understands the limitations and issues 3MF has with 3D printing, unlike the person who created this misleading video.

    • @SourceOfObesity
      @SourceOfObesity Před 2 lety

      @@halsaresnowpaw522 What kind of issues?

    • @halsaresnowpaw522
      @halsaresnowpaw522 Před 2 lety +1

      @@SourceOfObesity That current slicers don't handle 3MF files the way STL files are handled. One major problem I have with them is that PrusaSlicer (not sure about other slicers) won't let you reload models from disk. So if you make a change, you have to reload the model. That could mean repositioning it, adding supports, and other attributes that may have been applied. When using STL files, after I make a change, I just have to reload the model and that's it. If I have multiple instances, they are all updated. If that part was a 3MF file, I would have to delete all the existing instances, reload and prep the model, and then make multiple instances if needed.

  • @facemonger66
    @facemonger66 Před 2 lety +6

    "Smaller than STL..." hmm I'm interested"...is a zipped XML file" annnd I'm out

    • @johnf4085
      @johnf4085 Před 2 lety

      I've seen some people mention their dislike of xml files. Could you or someone explain why? Novice to 3d printing here.

  • @user-st6lw7uz8u
    @user-st6lw7uz8u Před 2 lety

    Good evening,
    I would like to ask you if the CAD can export geometry in STL format and if it includes parametric models or any kind of geometry variation?
    can it reconstructs them in real time?

    • @ProductDesignOnline
      @ProductDesignOnline  Před 2 lety +1

      Sorry, not sure I understand your whole question. In short, once your convert to a mesh file (STL, 3MF, OBJ, etc) you are no longer able to edit parametric. Keeping your CAD file in the native format (.f3D in the case of Fusion 360) is most ideal if you need to update user parameters or change parametric features.
      Fusion 360 has a newer convert feature that can help you take someone else's STL model and turn it into a solid Brep body to add parametric features - czcams.com/video/tVGtG-UjlYg/video.html

    • @user-st6lw7uz8u
      @user-st6lw7uz8u Před 2 lety

      @@ProductDesignOnline
      I need to combine Fusion 360 with a CFD software in order to optimize the original CAD design.
      Can Fusion 360 handle geometry variation in a batch mode? For instance, if I design a basic geometry and want to optimize it according to certain CFD-imposed criteria, would Fusion 360 be able to keep generating-updating the geometry (produce new STL's) until I reach my optimization goal?

  • @h2opower
    @h2opower Před 2 lety

    I just picked up a Photon Mono X and the only way my AutoCAD program communicates with it is with stl files. It didn't take me long to figure out stl is metric as the files when opened in the Photon Workshop were really small. My question would be, "Will this Mesh file be read by my Photon Workshop?"

  • @limeracing
    @limeracing Před 2 lety

    This is my 2nd account but I do take your online courses. I will most definitely be converting to 3mf!

  • @mattmakes2135
    @mattmakes2135 Před 2 lety

    I am such a creature of habit..... but you make such a great argument. I think I will try to switch over.

  • @brian2k1
    @brian2k1 Před 2 lety

    Fusion Manufacture still uses STL on the "Stock -> Save Stock" export, hope they update it and allow it to also use 3MF for CAM work flows.

    •  Před 2 lety

      Well, that was the ugly "hack" to be able to transfer stock between setups. With "in process stock" and "transfer stock" features you don't have to remember to create a new stock-model when you change someting in your OP1 that needs to be taken care of in OP2.
      One thing I would like to have there is a ability to "trim" my stock. As a example: We sometimes makes parts where we have a pretty tall piece of stock to be able to get to all the features without colliding. When transfered to OP2 we still have those 70mm of stock in software that we actually cut away in the bandsaw. The solution is to add a "dummy-setup" between OP1 and OP2 where we face off all the excess stock

  • @adfpv1153
    @adfpv1153 Před 2 lety

    I’ll try it on my next design thanks 😁👍

  • @robertburns2415
    @robertburns2415 Před 2 lety

    But if I design something and scale is included in the package how do I scale up or down when it comes to printing or can I even scale up and down when it comes to printing and I really would like to have an answer

  • @halsaresnowpaw522
    @halsaresnowpaw522 Před 2 lety

    While is probably isn't 3MF format fault, one of the big issues I have with using 3MF is that PrusaSlicer, my main slicing program, cannot "reload" the model from disk. When I am developing a new model, I make changes and export as the same file name. I can then use the reload option and not have to reposition everything because of the change.

  • @TheboysEpicshit
    @TheboysEpicshit Před 2 lety

    We were taught to to use IGES but I felt like it was dated at the time. But I still do it for some things.

  • @dalekubichek5710
    @dalekubichek5710 Před 2 lety

    When will F360 allow import of STL then convert to 3MF and then create a view layer-by-layer simulation of the new 3MF highlighting errors that require fixing? I like/use Creality Slicer 1.2.3. - it works great to directly print via USB - but this older modified Cura slicer does not take 3MF. So do I stop using F360 since I cannot edit/create/save to .stl? Cura sucks - no temp graphs, scaling is tricky, etc. Sometimes KISS is better.

  • @KenOfHouston
    @KenOfHouston Před 2 lety

    You've done it again. Clear, succinct, and comprehensive. I can't tell how many times I started to print a model that turned out so tiny that I couldn't see it because I forgot to export in mm. Thank you.

  • @kennethhicks2113
    @kennethhicks2113 Před 2 lety

    Thanks chat, got as much info from you as the vidy.
    Take away, use right tool for job at hand...

  • @haca-rimsten
    @haca-rimsten Před 2 lety

    Probably I'm doing something wrong but if I choose to print as 3MF in Fusion it's mutch harder to position the component in Cura correctly and sometimes it's in different pieces. That don't happen with the same component printed from Fusion in stl format.

  •  Před 2 lety

    Nice. Problem is that mostly free open sorce still use STL file. And public website as prusaprinter database for downloading new 3d prints.

  • @FauzanSyabana
    @FauzanSyabana Před 2 lety

    I didn't know I need this. Thanks man.

  • @stevenqueen416
    @stevenqueen416 Před 2 lety

    Not sure if the has been said yet in the comments, didn't go through all 629 of them. Fusion 360 HAS NOT gotten rid of saving as an STL format. You can still save as STL, you just need to selected on the drop down menu after you enter the Save As Mesh

  • @markusoneill146
    @markusoneill146 Před 2 lety

    I will give it a try… thank you.

  • @kallewirsch2263
    @kallewirsch2263 Před 2 lety +2

    I will stick with STL.
    But when we are at it:
    I understand that you do have some connections to AutoCAD. Could you PLEASE ask them to modify the Mash-Export dialog, such that it remembers my last choice? It is a pain in te ass, to always select the same stuff, just because the program does not remember.
    Also: Could you PLEASE ask them, that starting a new command (like eg. typing 'L' to draw a line) should automatically stop the "change viewpoint" mode. It is not an issue if you do have a mouse. But working at a laptop using a touchpad, IT IS A PAIN IN THE ASS to figure out why the eg. Line-command is not working.

  • @GudieveNing
    @GudieveNing Před 2 lety

    Thank you for the info, very helpful! :)