Bob debates Shia on Salvation & the reliability of the Gospel | Speakers' Corner debate
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Muslim guy said no witness but he forgot no one witness about the devil angel that visited Muhammad no one at all 😂😂😂 God bless you Bob ✝️
Exactly 😂
Nice zummy. Thanks keep at it.
Bible has been corrupt and has been changed
@@crossbreaker6718 then why didn't your prophet or quran never said that bible has been corrupted? Instead they confirmed its preservation and affirmation
@@jpj2431 please dont lie, Quran never claim that bible is preserved, this is factually a lie. Secondly Quran affirms the bible that it was truely revealed from God almighty but quran didnt say that bible is not corrupt. Thirdly Quran clearly tells that people of the book(jews)altered and distorted their scriptures so it is clear you cant defend the corruption of the bible to which you call holy
I respect the Muslim guy for his demeanour. But just like Bob said, the Muslim guy had no idea about the literature he was dealing with. God bless you Bob.
We must appreciate our Shia brother in humanity for the civil behaviour he conducted throughout the discussion. Hope he will find the truth 😊
He has!
May God bless you one day as well.
@@r.g.1166 On what basis you say that he has found the truth... All arguments he brought up was bulldozed by bob. I guess you havent watched video.
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One day, like I said.
Inshallah
@@r.g.1166 its not about your ego or mine. Its about truth. What if there is no other day. Let truth shall set you free 😊
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And the truth is with the Shia of Alhul Bayt (as).
If you are interested in knowing more than you do now, here's a good book for all lovers of Jesus pbuh. May Allah swt bless and guide us all.
(Jesus Through the Qur'an and Shi'ite Narrations)
It's available as free pdf if you type in title, also paperback at Amazon.
Well done brother Bob
Well done, Bob!! Amazing discussion again with this gentleman. He has a completely different energy about him. I hope that bit by bit, he finds the truth he's searching for.
Amen. He believes Jesus created and he died for peoples sin so lets pray everything Bob shared with him will sink in. 😊🙏
Bob your a gift to the church and the corner, your debating skills were unmatched ✝️ glory to God
Really well done Bob and team and the Muslim brother all being respectful with each other. Truth wins when return of questions stop.
They always ascape from the truth, there hearts is completely louck God will touch is heart.
They will continue continue to ascape from the truth
Always a Blessing to hear Bob speak !
I truly feel sorry for you Brits. You're being replaced by your leaders and the only push back that you can muster is to argue with Muslims at speakers corner. You lost your balls decades ago. Your country is doomed.
The arguement he is trying to make is based upon islamic structures...i.e who is the authority on xyz. Doesnt he realise that trying to apply these issues to another religion is rather daft? You handled it well Bob.
We love you Bob the builder ✝️✝️✝️🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿 May God bless you and keep you. Big up yourself JC🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿✝️✝️💞
Guess how many people are allowed to discuss equally freely in Saudi Arabia and surrounding...
It's a dictatorship. You have to be a correct Muslim to speak out in Saudi Arabia too, and even that doesn't guarantee you any rights or protection...
This is one of the best AbdooIian keelhauls I've ever witnessed!
Christ bless you brother for fighting against lies and degeneracy
Thanks Bob for making it clear to the Muslim Guy I’m sure you touched a few nerves with him Blessings from Dublin Ireland
This muslim is both respectful and honest. Bob you should talk to him again.
This Muslim said that as a Shia, he accepts Peter as a disciple of Christ but goes on to dispute eyewitness account of what Christ said and what he did - he should read 2 Peter 1: 16-19. Also, he disputes Paul's eyewitness account of meeting Jesus but yet still he will accept mohammed's account of what happened to him in the cave when there was no eyewitnesses to verify his claim - it was someone else that assumed what had happened to him in the cave!!! He also lacks the understanding of the Attonement of sin as prescribed in the old testament and fulfilled by Christ in the new testament. +++
I hope he comes back for a sequel.
Really good to hear a civilised discussion with mutual respect.
God bless you Bob, I really learned a lot in this debate, the Muslim man is really patient and ready to learn although he tries to ignore some fact but it's really a great debate indeed!💯💯
The Muslim man is a hypocrite. He rejects Jesus talking to Paul, but is quite happy to accept an angel speaking to Mohammed.
@@johnzuma4688 Yes exactly, but Muhammed thought it was a demon. It was his wife Khadija who told him it was Jibril. Muslims try to equate Jibril to the Archangel Gabriel from Biblical scriptures which is slandering Archangel Gabriel, because never did Archangel Gabriel ever squeeze or terrify anyone, rather the Holy angels always declare « Fear not!»
@@Eio7 Agreed, and of course we read about the Satanic verses that Mohammed did not recognize any difference between Satan talking to him and his "angel" talking to him.
One of the best muslims I’ve seen have a polite and respectful conversation… so far
Excellent job, Bob! Jesus be praised, amen.
One of the best debates in a long time. I loved it. Clear, consistant and respectful. God bless you Bob.
And bless our dear Shia Muslim brother, may his eyes be fully opened to the truth of Jesus. Bless him Father. 🙏🙏🙏❤️
God bless you Shia brother and thank you for conducting this debate in a proper intellectual and civilized manner.
We all love intelligent debators regardless of their views or religious affiliations since at the end of the day its all about challenging and questing a different point of view which leads to sharing of knowledge and we Christians love to be examined and questioned on our beliefs as it gives us an opportunity to share the Christian message and the good news about our God and Savior, Lord Jesus Christ.
As always God bless you brother Bob, hands down you are one of the best teacher and debator of our time ✝✝✝
How can the son be god if he is not the father?
@@scottgrey2877 John 10:30: "I and the Father are one.”
If Son = Father and Father = God then Son = God, it's as simple as that.
We love you both Bob the builder and my Liverpool fan JC, another great debate as always and Bob is still the undefeated champion of speakers corner and debates, God bless you both
"For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body, which is for[f] you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes." -1 Corinthians 11:23-26
In Remembrance!
"This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”
- John 6:47-51
Jesus explains that His flesh is "that bread", and not that bread is His flesh. Our belief and understanding is all Spiritual. We live in the Spirit...and if we live by the Spirit, we have the Bread and Living Water we need. We MUST be Born Again, and the Will of the Father is to believe in the Son whom He has sent. If we are in Christ and growing in Sanctification, it means we are growing in the Holy Spirit. We must be filled of the Spirit and make it to the end. Let none of us throw away our Salvation by falling away. Remain strong in Christ brothers and sisters. ❤️
Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” They said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.”
-John 6:32-35
This Man says that he believes in Jesus ... no he isn't .....he believes in ISA not Jesus. ISA Is not Jesus.
If he believes in Jesus...he must believe Jesus is Lord and savior.
Thank You Bro Bob...love from Idonesia. Gbu 🙏
Jesus was MADE Lord Acts 2:36 so he is not God
Onward Christian soldiers thank you for sharing this truth stream shine more light to darkness ✴️
Good to see all the Christians at the End .
No matter how many times Bob shows him Bible evidence…he will not even consider it to be true. Hardened hearts!
which bible?
@@tupactip The bible mentioned in the many different Arabic qurans we can all buy.
@@johnzuma4688 the Bible mentioned in the Quran which version or Bible is mentioned there
@@tupactip Are you telling me that Mohammed and his allah were both so ignorant that they believed that there was only one Bible from the God of the Bible? Or are you calling Mohammed and his allah liars for saying that the Torah and the Gospel were revealed by God which make them the Word of God as that is how God reveals. (Surah 3:3). And the Mohammed tells us in Surah 6:115 that none can change the Word of God. That means that if the Torah and the Gospel we have today is different to the original that would make the Quran false.
But back to your question. I am not a Muslim so please find a mosque and ask your imam if Mohammed and his allah thought that there was only one Bible and therefore only mentioned one Bible.
@@johnzuma4688 well the gospel of Jesus is no where to be found today so that would make it clear that there is nothing talking of the Injeel is not the New Testament in any form the claim of Islam to start with is the old teaching had been lost altered changed etc so the need for final unchanged one is what it claims to be as for Bible Islam never talks of it just the teaching sent to Jesus which is clearly not Bible it is not even in The language of Jesus how can it be what was sent to him and it is claimed to be by unknown anonymous people so that teaching which was meant for a certain people at a certain time is not keep proper makes sense it was not meant for us now
Very well presentation by bro Bob. I am satisfied with the discussion given by Bob. God will draw this Muslim person in His time.
Great debate! As a Christian I am satisfied.
Once again a very respectful debate seen in the park without the usual antics that is also seen in the park. Also the exact words criteria is a double standard indeed when applied to the qu'ran it fails
I felt sorry for the Muslim guy. He was in over his head 😅. Great job as always brother Bob. Jesus is Lord! 🙏
We all fall short of the Glory of God!!
Wow, more than 500 people are watching. Wish more than 5000 people watch
Bob, you're truly immense for Christian apologetics in this arena.
Another incredibly insightful and informative exegesis of the scripture to debunk what significant number of Christians and Christian teachers would have considered impossible to engage with due to limited understanding.
One observation, though, is a particular narrative of Luke in Acts 9 verses 10 - 17. The passage indicates Jesus commissioned Paul with a ministry.
And that turned out to be the ministry of Grace which by implication is the continuation of the ministry of Jesus Christ post-ressurrection.
Halleluyah. Amen.
Challenge for the Muslim: can you show me where in the Quran it says, in these exact words, "you can only attain salvation by doing all these things: take the shahadah, pray five times a day, fast on Ramadan, pay Zakah, go on the Hajj pilgrimage, avoid shirk, don't commit suicide, don't make halal what Allah has made haram, don't commit bid'ah, and ensure your good deeds outweigh your bad deeds on the scales of judgement when you're resurrected". I need a verbatim quote from the Quran and only the Quran without secondary sources given that only Allah determines salvation, and nobody else.
Can't do it? Okay, I'll cut you some slack. Give me a quote from the Quran, of whatever wording you care to mention, that includes all those details as a _requirement for salvation._
Can't do that either? Okay, I'll go easy on you still more. Give me any series of quotes from the Quran that in each and every single instance makes evident that your _salvation depends on fulfilling all those elements without excluding any._
And since you're Shia, I want a quote from the Quran that says your salvation depends on belief in the 12 Imams without which you cannot be Shia.
More, I want a quote from the Quran that asserts you cannot be saved if you "support foreign powers against Muslims in times of war", which I'm sure is what you believe. Can't do any of that? I suggest you stop making arbitrary demands and accept that one's theology derives from a host of sources, not directly from one person or according to one formula. I say that as a non Christian and an ex Muslim.
@@alonzoharris9049 I'm not a Christian as noted. Just a neutral ex Muslim whom your peaceful religion wants to murder for the crime of having an opinion. Since we're talking of contradictions, perhaps you can run by me how Allah does not resemble his creation when hadiths say that he wears a loincloth that is pulled on by a woman's "womb", whatever that is supposed to mean, and that Allah is a beardless young man with curly hair dressed in a green robe according to revered scholars of hadith like Ahmed ibn Hanbal, al-Bayhaqi, and Daraqutni, amongst others.
I would have thought a loincloth wearing deity sounds awfully like a human being. Over to you, _akhi._
It’s a laughable challenge. Muslims are not quranists. If I one day claim to be a quranist such a challenge would be acceptable.
@@Religiousstudies2000 Of course it's a laughable challenge. That's the whole point, made explicit in my second to last sentence. It's Muslims who established the laughable principle I'm pouring scorn on, just like they do when they insist that only the words of Jesus are acceptable to prove his divinity and no other part of Christian scripture. I'm just playing by your rules.
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No no. They call themselves CHRISTians. If they change their names to PAULians then I wouldn’t have a problem at all. I’m just saying that their central doctrine can’t be substantiated from the teachings of Jesus.
I don’t call myself a quranist. If I do then ask me to prove my beliefs only from the Quran.
@@alonzoharris9049 prove its a contradiction Abdul don't just claim it😂
Well done keep it up God bless you my brother
2 Peter 3:15]
"and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation-as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, "
Christians should remember this verse when Muslims speak out against St. Paul. St. Peter not only speaks about the Suffering of Christ is Salvation he also tells us to accept and believe in St. Paul's letters/teachings, because they are Wisdom and Truth.
Good one Bob should have prepared before his debate there are plenty of reference which can answer every question of that muslim
Jesus doesn't say Peter will be his rock. He says to Peter ":and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." while standing at caesarea philippi (the gates of hell) at the BASE OF MOUNT HERMON (the rock) What did Jesus do? crucified, went to hell and rose from the grave in 3 days. what are christians told to believe? that Jesus Christ was crucified for our sins, that he rose from the dead in 3 days. THAT IS THE CHURCH. Peter is not a successor.
Nice civilised discussion between two normal guys.
Fantastic brother Bob. You articulate so well and clear on the divinity and salvation from Jesus. He is much better than the normal Abduls who regurgitate same questions with no interest in the answer. Hope this person will find the truth and leave pagan moon God Allah cult called Islam.
I am amazed at how these muslims double speak or use double standards. They use a different standard to judge their quaran and hadiths and then use a completely baseless argument to attack Christian. It is hard listening to these continually repeat the same thing over and over.
I enjoyed every bit of the debate God bless you servants of the Most High in Jesus Name Amen.
I like that you tell them when they say wrong from Quran and that is awesome 👌 because you give more information even from Quran in their faces with facts,that's so important and amazing 👏 .Thanks and God Bless 🙌 🙏 💯
This is a genuine nice guy. I like him
Good discussion. The last two ( including this gentleman) have been quite decent interlocutors. Very different from the Ali Dawaha, Mansur , Hamza , Adnan, and Hijab types. Hopefully more of these types come for debates
@@alonzoharris9049 >> Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
@@alonzoharris9049 He can.
You smashed it, Bob.
Best conduct ever
Bob is an absolute legend I have. Never seen a Muslim win a a debate against Bob .. because he is far to educated in his faith 💯
The Apostles DID NOT think they were converting to some new religion by following the Messiah.
Bob got it right in stating today's Jews are Rabbinic Jews, and don't reflect the Judaism of the time of Jesus. We need to take this even further. The faithful Jews recognised Jesus as the Messiah & divine, and they CONTINUED the worship taught to them by Abraham, Moses & the Prophets. Along with the Gentiles, it is THOSE Jews who later became known as Christians. This was not a title they came up with themselves, but was initially used against them as a derogatory term which they embraced. Those who call themselves Jews today are an innovation - a NEW religion that worships another god, as they rejected God as He revealed himself in His incarnation.
Muslims will often appeal to modern Jewish scholars and interpretations - an appeal to authority. We can easily cut this off at the knees.
Even Jewish scholars like Dr. Benjamin Sommer acknowledge that 'Jews should have no theological objections to the Trinity (...) as the Trinity is a Jewish concept'.
This is nonsense.
Which Jew in the bible believes in a trinity?
If they were trinitarians. Why do Trinitarians claim that the Jews wanted to punish him for claiming to be god?😂
Why did they have a problem with a man being god in your claim?😂
@@tariqthebiblicalscholar5865 so Peter, John and Paul were no Jews? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You should study what 1st century Jews believed. Start with the concept of the Memra/ the Logos.
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Bob claims the Pharisees were not rabbinic Jews.
The Pharisees believed in a trinity?
Was Jesus a Pharisee? Was Paul a Pharisee?
Can you show me any verse where they correct the Pharisees to believe in a trinity?
Can you show me any verse where their concept of god was corrected by Jesus or Paul?
@@tariqthebiblicalscholar5865 Jews in Palastine spoke Aramaic. The Targum,the Aramaic translation and Interpretation of the Thora, was read in the synagogues. And in the Targum we find the Memra, the word of God in verses were God appears as a man. Besides: this Memra sits on the throne of God and receives prayers! And now tell me: were these Jews monotheists? 😉
18:30 Peter was an eye witness and he wrote 1 and 2 Peter...he might want to give those letters a read.
Most scholars today conclude that Saint Peter was not the author of the two epistles that are attributed to him
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Petrine_epistles
Bob expression of The Knowledge is growing, better and precise each day👍💯
Brutality! Flawless victory! Bob wins. Let the heavens celebrate the glory of Christ. Hosanna to his highness!
Bob is powered by the Holy Spirit.
IT IS CHARACTERISTIC OF ABDULS TO MOVE THE GOALPOSTS EACH TIME THEY ARE CORNERED.
Thanks bob yet again for another win praise be to God
This was a good debate. Though I completely disagree with the Muslim, he was very polite and patient unlike many others in the park. Praying for this young man that the Lord would remove the scales from his eyes that he may see clearly what the scriptures say and to proclaim Jesus as his Savior and Lord! Amen
17:17 oh really? "We have the Quran and the Sunah. We don't just rely on the Quran." Hmmm didn't he rebuke bob in the beginning for saying we take all the prophets and apostles testimony? It's OK for the Muslim but not for the Christian? Funny that. 🤣
He said he doesn't trust Paul's teaching bc there's no witnesses for his meeting Jesus on the road to Damascus? Well Where are Muhammad witnesses for meeting an angel? NONE. For any of his supposed revelations? in fact Muhammad was scared to death after the cave of hira incident when jibriel squeezed him. Never once did the supposed angel say peace be with you or don't be afraid Muhammad. And why is he called the Praised one? Why should any mere person be the Praised ONE? esp when he has No witnesses, no miracles + sets a horrendous moral example. All praise and Glory to The Triune God! Praise Father, Son + Holy Spirit! Maranatha! Thanks + Blessings in Christ, Bob!
What, when Jibriel mysteriously changed into “taya-khalbi” (spell?-going off sound of his name). So Jibriel would appear in the FORM of TayaKhalbi- convenient excuse for a handsome male neighbor to be at Muhammad’s house at late night hours?? So how did ppl know if it was Jibriel or TayaKhalbi (most handsome man of queresh) walking down the street??? He would use ridiculous excuses for why Jibriel didn’t visit him like oh uhhhh angels won’t come into house w dogs inside. Or when there’s a picture/image. That’s insane. Muhammad had ZERO witnesses. Additionally the so called revelations STOPPED For a period of time after death of Warwuqa -sp?…The uncle of 1st wife Hadija (sorry-don’t know spelling). Why did the revelations Stop After Hadija’s Uncle died? Muhammad became so distraught he’d try to hurl himself off cliffs of mtns. It’s interesting that Hadija’s Uncle was supposedly translating parts of Bible into Arabic at the time.
Low key, my favorite parts of these videos (besides JC's "yeeAH?"s) is Bob giving advice on how to handle Speakers' Corner, even to his interlocuters.
Great debate. Well done brothers. Praise Jesus.
Just SOME of the verses the man asks for:
1. "If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3)
2. Then the Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?”
Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges. Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”
Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’ Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is [o]your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going[p] through the midst of them, and so passed by. (John 8)
3. Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” (Exodus 3)
4. Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.”
But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” (Luke 23)
5. Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures. Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And you are witnesses of these things. Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.” (Luke 24)
A dead false prophet CANNOT take you to Paradise. Only a living Saviour can.
Muslims, READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF. DON'T LET THE LYING IMAMS DECEIVE YOU.
Min 25, the muslim asked: did Jesus say, that after Me, Paul will write....etc
WHERE did Jesus say that Muhammad will come after me ?
Can you quote that verse ?
Yeah. In chapter 61 verse 6 of the Quran.
If you’re referring to the bible then I’m not a Christian. Christians believe in the bible and nowhere does Jesus refer to Paul. I don’t derive my beliefs from a book made by unknown authors. 3 out of the 4 gospels writers don’t even claim to be eyewitness.
I mean you can’t even make that up.
@@Religiousstudies2000 what eye witness do you have for mohammad being given revelation through jibreel. Any eye witness? Did your god ever talk with your prophet directly? How can you confirm that it the angel that appeared to your prophet? Any eye witness?
@@Religiousstudies2000 As far as your biblical question. My scripture says in Matthew 28:19, Jesus says to his disciples " Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost".
So disciples included Peter too who is the rock. And that same Peter knows & accepts Paul as Jesus apostle. What more proof do you except? And both of them preached about Jesus, met each other, suffered & died as Martyrs. Its not just Man made stories like your quran without any witnesses.
Witness for these apostles & their writting is God himself. Holy Spirit inspired these writters & made them remember things which they had with Jesus Himself. As John 14:26 quotes what Jesus said "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you."
@@Chris85.
We have Hadith that the companions saw Jibreel on other occasions.
The prophet received 23 years of revelation.
@@Chris85.
Paul lived at the same time as Jesus. It’s strange that he never mentions him or visits him.
As an Ethiopia/Eritrean orthodox Christian, I must have love and respect for our Shia brother as I saw humility in him. Sure he said something mockery and childish “should Christians be sucking blood from the crucified Jesus for their salvation “ But that statement is from not understanding. Please please encourage him to read the entire old and New Testament. The Bible deals with humanity in two categories. People of the land=the Israelites that our father Abraham established and people of the sea which is everyone else. When our Lord and savior came to save His own people as He promised to the Israelites and they rejected Him, the salvation was then given to the Gentile, people who are not Jewish (Us the rest of the world)
Now since our Jewish brothers did not embrace the Lord in His first coming, when He came in humility and love but in the second coming Or during tribulation, they will have no choice but to accept Him as their God and Savior once they witness his glory and majesty. They will bow down and confess that he is the true Messiah that their forefathers crushed and crucified. Jacob wrestling with the angel is described in Genesis (32:22-32; also referenced in Hosea 12:3-5). The "angel" in question is referred to as "man" (אִישׁ) and "God" in Genesis, while Hosea references an "angel" (מַלְאָךְ). The account includes the renaming of Jacob as Israel (etymologized as "contends-with-God"). Will finally makes sense to them. Why Jacob struggling the angel and appears to win the battle. Well when they crucified Jesus, they though they won the fight. No more having to deal with this man that claims to be God and came from God….You Muslim brothers will understand the meaning of that verse as well if you open your heart. Remember, Jacob’s name changes to Israel from that moment because they struggled with God and crucified Him when He came as a man, however; when He comes back in His glory and majesty and He shows them His wrath, they will be running to that father and embrace Him as the true God that He is before our Muslim brothers do.
So my Muslim brothers, don’t depend on our Jewish brothers denying of the Messiah because they will have an opportunity during the second coming which we believe they will embrace Him. Remember, we are living in a time of grace that have an expiration date. (When the time of grace ends)The day of the Lord, nobody knows. That day only God the Father knows, I ask you in love and humility to read your entire Bible (old and new) and not just read Bible verses that fits to your current believes but please read all verses. Example, our Muslim brothers will quote Issaya 42 saying that was about Mohammad since it mentions Islamic places, but if you keep reading all the way to Issaya 53, then the person who will be crushed and dies for our transgressions certainly is not Mohammad.
Peace be with you All.
Also, you say “peace be with Isa(Jesus) when he is the owner of peace and peace do not depart from Him ever. You say Isa was tortured but never died (we have biblical evidence that He died) You say, we love Jesus too, but the Isa that you refer to is not the same as the Jesus Christ that we worship. We don’t believe in 3 Gods. We believe in one God with three persons. God the Father, God the Son, God the holly Sprite. Speaking of the Holly Sprit, since you believe it is ark angels Gabriel whom We Christians believe to be one of the 7 seraphim, but not the holly sprit.
By the way, I love my Jewish brother, because they rejected Him, the rest of the world got the opportunity to be saved. But my Jewish brothers will be saved (the once who accept Him in his second coming) as well. So Jewish people--Thank you for your stubborn heart that that requires suffering to search for the true God. History after history tells us, you ran to your Father in true humility in struggle and pain. Never in peace. That is the reason why, you will accept the messiah in the time of turbulence in the second coming. Read Book of Enoch and John revelation that explains the divinity of Christ.
Peace be with you….
Not all debates must come to an end Bob made its clear just within first 10 mins of the debate dispatch the guy already Bob ❤
I challenge him to find me in the Quran Allah using the word Tawheed!!
Or to find the command to be circumcised in any one of the many different qurans we can buy.
Chapter 112 of Quran has two name one is Ikhlas the other is literary is Tawheed!
@@noshadb.e3111 post it!!
1:12:48 literally the first chapter of
1 Peter says:
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you,
5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in various trials
7 so that the proven character of your faith-more precious than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire-may result in praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
8 Though you have not seen Him, you love Him; and though you do not see Him now, you believe in Him and rejoice with an inexpressible and glorious joy,
9 now that you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who foretold the grace to come to you searched and investigated carefully,
11 trying to determine the time and setting to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.
12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, when they foretold the things now announced by those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.
I am the way the truth and the life, no one can come to the father except through me.
Wow ! Brilliant Bob's Arguments
1 Corinthians.11:26
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: *THIS DO YE, AS OFT AS YE DRINK IT, IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.*
28:08 The FIRST one who said _"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End"_ is obviously _the _*_original._* The mime who stole these words 600 years later is, of course, *_the counterfeit._* He who said it first is *_the LORD and Creator Jesus Christ._* The plagiarizing, name copying wannabe-god is *_AIIah-and-his-Messenger._*
@@alonzoharris9049 For your own good: Stop counting. Your 2 brain cells can’t take it.
@@alonzoharris9049 so your allah is two persons now because he calls himself the first and the last? 🤔
@@alonzoharris9049 Your allah comprises of owner and inheritor, You have 2 persons in one being
@@alonzoharris9049
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Bob is a great example of muscular Christianity.
That guy "Arr'right" Scouse guy cracks me up. 🙏
for the reliability of the gospels what every christians should know you have 2 kind of informations 1) the truth, which is the testimony of the church fathers who actually knew who wrote the gospels , where they wrote their gospels and based on what. scholars that reconize the testimony of the church fathers concerning the new testament can be consider as your scholars as a christian because they reconize the truth. 2) conspiracy nons sens , all "scholars" that reject the testimony or contradict the testimony of the church fathers basically reject the truth therefore they must make up theories of conspiracy non sens. they can present themselves as christians to sell their books or give conferences but you are dealing with childrens of satan.
when muslims come to you and tell you "your scholars " says , they are talking about the second category, the childrens of satan.
i just give references for the gospel of matthew i dont have the others with me but you need to search for what the church fathers testifie about the gopels of mark luke and john in order to know in what conditions thoses gospels were written and based on what.
for matthew:
matthew wrote his gospel in hebrew for a jewish audiance. then others translated his gospel after. proofs:
Matthew composed the words in the Hebrew dialect, and each TRANSLATED as he was able. (Papias, 150-170 CE, quoted by Eusebius, Eccl. Hist. 3:39)
Matthew also issued a written gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect. (IrenAeus, 170 CE, Against Heresies 3:1)
Concerning the four Gospels which alone are uncontroverted in the Church of God under heaven, I have learned by tradition that the Gospel according to Matthew, who was at one time a publican and afterwards an Apostle of Jesus Christ, was written first; and that he composed it in the Hebrew tongue and published it for the converts from Judaism (Origen commentary on the gospel of matthew book 1)
Hebrews was written by Paul
@@scottgrey2877 yes i know and luke traduced it in greek after that . paul wrote it in hebrew first.
CAN WE HAE EYE WITNESS THAT mohaMAD SEEN GABRIEL
Bro Mo was hallucinating.
We can verify the claims of Muhammad through prophecies.
Paul taught that Jesus would return in his own lifetime. It’s been 2000 years.
Mark keep up the good work for lord Jesus Christ. They can't answer it only lies no Hadith or Quran verses
Theres one it's dahil kilby his boyfriend 😆
@@Religiousstudies2000 What prophecies ??
Bob is likely to be a scholar in many subjects, such as physics , psychology, mathematics, history, and God knows what else. He is a miracle of this contested world, a survivor of the negative depression that the devil has induced on us, wow Bob , I can't envy you, but I am proud of your achievement, one which i have not achieved my self . I am however closer than I've ever been to God , and thank you for your achievements as I am lucky to learn from you, which is a quicky route to obtaining the knowledge i so wish to learn. Thank you Bob
I love when two people on opposing sides have an honest conversation with getting ugly.
Bob the legend again!!! Doing what he does best, de bunking Islam and spreading the Christian word.
May the Lord Jesus christ bless him and keep him safe.💪👍
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation.
According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.”
Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
@@syedhasan5861 I assume you are a Sunni Muslim and you believe that following the only prophet of Islam will get you into Mohammed’s paradise. Then you believe as long as a man follows the five pillars of islam and does a couple good deeds then he can rape and murder your daughter and when he then repents and later on sin the same sin or such a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or such a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and as long as he believes in Mohammed’s allah and that Mohammed is the prophet of his allah then his sins will be forgiven and he will get to Mohammed’s paradise despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but he will still go to heaven as he still believe in the one allah of Mohammed and that Mohammed is the prophet of this one allah. And all people who follow the five pillars of Islam are your brothers irrespective how of evil and disgusting their behaviour. Mohammed’s allah will forgive them when they follow the five pillars and repent of the sins they committed.
According to Mohammed goods works, following Mohammed and repenting of your sins will get you to Mohammed’s paradise. At least when you are man, most women will wind up in hell, the ones who make it to Mohammed’s paradise can watch their husbands getting drunk and having sex with their 72 big-breasted horis.
Sorry if that disgusts you, but when we read that raping little girls (surah 65:4) is approved of by Mohammed and his allah as well as wife beating (surah 4:34) and Mohammed abusing women captured in battle as his sex slaves (that makes Mohammed a rapist and adulterer) (Surah 33:50), then we can understand that is what Mohammed taught. After all, when Mohammed moved to Medina he lived the life of a war-lord who robbed, raped, committed adultery, murdered and enslaved women and little children. And of course we know Mohammed raped a little 9 year old child.
The point is Mohammed’s behaviour are disgusting to God which clearly shows that Mohammed was a false prophet. So I agree with you, nothing that we can do will make us righteous before God.
the impossible dream.
Muslims show me one single piece of evidence that Mohammed encountered a spirit in a cave.
just one .
Nice keep at it lord Jesus Christ is with you,
Love how he keeps saying ill give you peter what about peter his confession of faith calling Jesus God.
well civilized discussion..
Jesus Christ is the only way.
when the muslim tell you jesus didn't say himself that he shed the blood of the new covenant or died for our sins it's false:
matthew 26:27 Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
plus jesus predict his death and resurection: Matthew 16:21-23: From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day. Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!” But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”[1]
Mark 8:31-33: And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. He spoke this word openly. Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. But when He had turned around and looked at His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, “Get behind Me, Satan! For you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”[2]
Luke 9:21-22: And He strictly warned and commanded them to tell this to no one, saying, “The Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.”[3]
Matthew 17:22-23: Now while they were staying in Galilee, Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is about to be betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him, and the third day He will be raised up.” And they were exceedingly sorrowful.[4]
Mark 9:30-32: Then they departed from there and passed through Galilee, and He did not want anyone to know it. For He taught His disciples and said to them, “The Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. And after He is killed, He will rise the third day.” But they did not understand this saying, and were afraid to ask Him.[5]
Luke 9:43-45: But while everyone marveled at all the things which Jesus did, He said to His disciples, “Let these words sink down into your ears, for the Son of Man is about to be betrayed into the hands of men.” But they did not understand this saying, and it was hidden from them so that they did not perceive it; and they were afraid to ask Him about this saying.[6]
Matthew 20:17-19: Now Jesus, going up to Jerusalem, took the twelve disciples aside on the road and said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death, and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify. And the third day He will rise again.” [7]
Mark 10:32-34: Now they were on the road, going up to Jerusalem, and Jesus was going before them; and they were amazed. And as they followed they were afraid. Then He took the twelve aside again and began to tell them the things that would happen to Him: “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death and deliver Him to the Gentiles; and they will mock Him, and [a]scourge Him, and spit on Him, and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again[8]
Luke 18:31-34: Then He took the twelve aside and said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man will be accomplished. For He will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon. They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.” But they understood none of these things; this saying was hidden from them, and they did not know the things which were spoken.[9]
Matthew 26:32 But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.”[18]
Cannibalism at its purest form.
No one takes it away from Me, but I lay it down voluntarily. I am authorized and have power to lay it down and to give it up, and I am authorized and have power to take it back. This command I have received from My Father.”
He disputes that apostolic & prophetic teachings are essential but proudly says Muhammad's words are the way to heaven. How come his messenger can have prominence while ours don't?
Wonderfully raised polite young man. He's wasted on Abdoolism.
It was quite a weak debate from the Muslim guy... feels like another scripted debate to keep it on one question: where did Jesus say..... Even when Bob gives proof of Jesus saying he lay down his life for our sins he gives a weird explanation that makes zero sense and goes back to his scripted question.
My claim was very simple. Where does Jesus attest that we must acknowledge that he died for our sins. If he already did die for our sins why do I have to acknowledge it?
Jesus does not mention that at all.
That’s your problem. Your essential religious belief which is the acknowledgment of Jesus dying for our sins is not a commandment which Jesus himself has ordained or commanded that we must believe in.
So how dare you Christians condemn people to hellfire in regards to something Jesus himself did not command.
@@Religiousstudies2000 Your Quran goes to the extent to say that Allah made it look like Jesus was on the cross but took him off. So why are you acknowledging him dying on the cross if you don’t believe it
@@kofianobah4906
It does not say that.
@@Religiousstudies2000 Bro you know it does. It’s either your Imam or Sheikh tried to miss interpret this text to mean something else or you’re denying it.
An-Nisa 4:157
@@Religiousstudies2000 You remind me the passage in Matthew where Jesus is addressing the question on why Jesus talks in parables to the people.
Matthew 10:10-17
10The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”
11He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:
“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
“ ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’ a
16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
The answer to your question is found in the literal actions of Jesus. You want to know where Jesus says in words that he will die for sins, but he litterally did it. He fulfilled prophecy the entire time, his ministry on earth proved he was who he said he was, the “I am” referenced in the Old Testament. He was put on the cross for this very reason. If you can’t see how the actions of Jesus’ life prove that he died for sins that’s your problem. You read the story but don’t see, you hear bob but don’t understand. We’ll be praying for you brother, no hard feelings.
You don’t need a great memory when you are literate and can read and write.
The gospel of John was written 70 years after the supposed crucifixion of Christ. Pretty sure you do.
@@Religiousstudies2000 you realize 70 years is less than 600
@@Religiousstudies2000 what’s your point?
@@tyquandoe3490
600.... what does that have to do with anything. You need to clarify?
John wrote his gospel 70 years after the crucifixion. What does 600 have to do with anything. If you’re referring to the Quran then it was written as it was being revealed and memorised also. The revelation was from god and god does not forget. Show me where John claims that God enabled him to recall all such incidents or that God guided him to write his gospel.
John was written ten years and act was written eighteen years after death. According to Bart erman.The creed was spread two months after death
. like Romans 10:9. Thanks.
Bob should have used Matt 26:27-28
“And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”
God does not require blood Psalm 40:6 KJV 😂
Best Christian i found, to debate with muslim. God bless you Bob
If the bible is corrupt why there prophet believe on it ....
Wow. A 2 hour debate.
its actually a 2x1 debate as in 2 topics in one; was tempted to split it but i think it flows nicely, let us know if we should make part 1 and 2
@@SocoFilms You guys really did great job here. It does flow very nicely. I would split it up because to tell you the truth I forgot what the first debate was about. While watching it I recognized when it split into another topic but I just finished watching it now and I couldn't tell you what the topic of the first debate was about. Also a lot of good points were made on how to defend certain polemics that could be missed during the premier with the live chat on. But that's just my humble opinion JC. Great debate.
@@SocoFilms I agree with Andrew. I do listen to 2hr videos, but I think 2 x 1hr is more accessible for a Bob debate. So long as the link to the other half is in the description box.
It is excellent though to have this pleasant, respectful debate. What's this blokes name (for my prayers)?
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation.
According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.”
Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
@@syedhasan5861 allow me to explain where you completely misunderstand.
Jesus loves us. If we believe and repent and follow Him, Jesus forgives our sins even rape and murder.
His love to us means we love Him.
His Holy Spirut lives in us and changes us (sanctified us) to be more like Him.
You would not understand this as it is alien, but we are filled with the Holy Spirit and we love Him and are changed to be like Him.
So we don't commit rape and murder wilfully. Or adultery. Or drunkenness. We no longer like these things because God changes us to be more like him AND we love Him.
We don't want to hurt him.
If we do those things, it probably means we did not allow the Holy Spirit to change us.
Our religion of love, forgiveness, obedience, sanctification and relation with the living God is amazing. I invite you to be set free to serve the living God
Its so funny!! No legg to stand on @ all!! Do it Bob!! You're doing a great job!
God bless you brother
For this man is
Don’t be like animals
Because they don’t have wisdom
Dammmnnnnn he got schooled lol AND HE DOESNT KNOW THAT PAUL IS MESSAGER IN THE QURAN
No Paul is not a messenger in the Quran 😂
@@Religiousstudies2000 who is the 3 messengers of Isa in the Quran, please don't lie and say your prophet and book is lying. I dare you
@@mixitdiscoservices
Based on the sunnah the only authentic report mentions St. Peter by name. The other two are unknown.
There is a very weak report from ibn Abbas which al sheikh al tabrasi mentions which calls them sadiq and saduq. Whoever it’s a very weak report.
And no report mentions Paul 😂
Paul was cursed by our imams. He is not praiseworthy at all in Shia Islam.
@@Religiousstudies2000 Another renowned commentary, Al-Qurtubi, says of Surah 61:14:
It was said that THIS VERSE was revealed about the apostles of Jesus, may peace and blessing be upon him. Ibn Ishaq stated that of the apostles and disciples that Jesus sent (to preach) there were Peter AND PAUL who went to Rome; Andrew and Matthew who went to the land of the cannibals; Thomas who went to Babel in the eastern lands; Philip who went to Africa; John went to Dac-sos(?) which is the tribe to whom the sleepers of the cave belonged; Jacob went to Jerusalem; Bartholomew went to the lands of Arabia, specifically Al-Hijaz; Simon who went to the Barbarians; Judas and Barthas(?) who went to Alexandria and its surrounding regions.
@@mixitdiscoservices
Al qurtubi is not Shia 🤦♂️
I am a Shia Muslim. We have our own scholars and sources of Hadith.
Moreover ibn ishaq doesn’t even give his chain meaning even according to Sunni standards this report is weak.
The churches that received the Gospels knew who wrote them. 🙂
It’s not about being able to pinpoint who wrote them. It’s about why we should trust them.
Jesus nowhere makes them an authority so why have you?
@@Religiousstudies2000 Christ made the church an authority the church made the gospels an authority.
@@bobthebuilder4660
Which church?
St. Peter was that rock. And you have nothing from him. Two epistles which can be read in under 10 min and unfortunately the vast majority of biblical scholars reject those as being written by a priest from the mid second century.
@@Religiousstudies2000 may ik atleast 3 of these scholars?
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation.
According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.”
Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
The funny thing is that the sunni's don't think Shia's are Muslim...
God bless
Islam prevents Muslims from reason and logic 🔥 and this poor Muslim is afraid of his own shadow 🔥
I fear no one 😁
Neither does Christianity, which is a Man Made Religion, just like Judaism and Islam
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation.
According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.”
Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
@@syedhasan5861 The first council of Nicea (325ad) along with the second council of nicea (787), the church leaders tried to reach a basis consensus that to unify the new and expanding religion: christianity. All of those churches came together shape the false christianity..eastern, oriental, and roman catholics. Roman emperor constantine I presided over it without right to vote, this was in the first council. 318 bishops came together. What did they accomplish? creation of a new patheon of gods, creation of the nicene creed, fixed-date establishment for easter, basis construction of the canon of biblical books (deciding which stays), and elimination of all vestiges of judaism. the niean creed made "Jesus Christ" the "new God" the creed was later amplified in the third council of constantinople (381). that council ordered all books to be burned ancient writings..torah etc. they been trying to get rid of YAH'S TORAH for the longest. Even Hitler tried burning copies, but the ethiopians had an original copy. before the council of nicea, there was a council of elvira [spain in 305] tried to keep Jews and believers apart by ordering the latter to not share a meal with Jew, not to marry Jews, and not to observe the Jewish Shabbat. ofc we cant forget the hebrew israelites because they are a big part of history they were taught and given the slave bible. They were to forget YAHUAH and TORAH
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islame what a beautiful religion 🕋💕💋🥰😍Bukhari 5133: “the Prophet (🐷) married her [Aisha] 👶when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old
This muslim (like the rest) is demanding words from JESUS'S mouth Himself.
In Matthew 28:19 Jesus said to His disciples: Therefore go and make disciples of all nations.........
Jesus gave AUTHORITY to His disciples, to TEACH people in His name.
That means, what Jesus had to say to the world, His disciples can do the SAME.
That is a direct contradiction of other verse which tell us Jesus was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
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The nations are the tribes of Israel. Tribes are the nations.
@@tariqthebiblicalscholar5865 if nations means 12 tribes of Israel, then the contradiction is avoided, some people in Acts 11:19 saw it that way, and continued to preach to j e w s only
@@jettyharrison4377 how about jesus, how many non j e ws did he actively go out to convert, not one, how many of his elite discipes were gentile, same answer, while the praised one Muhammad (on whom be peace), in his lifetime had followers from far off lands, from nonArab nations, such as Persia, Rome, Abysinnia, Egypt, even one from the southern tip of India.
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Christians try to interpret the gospels with Paulien presuppositions.
Jesus is explicit. He was only sent to Israel.
Nations in the context of the separate gospels are the tribes of Israel.
If he was sent for the gentiles. He did a terrible job.
Bob's mind is brilliant, must be gifted from Jesus himself.
Believed is past time!
You must be blind!🤣
@@Kole61 Yes he is blind troll.
Big up Bob 💪🏾
If this guy TRULY accepts Peter, then he must accept that Jesus is his God, his Savior, the suffering servant of Isaiah 53, and that Paul is inspired by God.
1 Peter 2:21-25 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. “He committed no sin and no deceit was found in his mouth.” (Isaiah 53) When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. “He himself bore our sins” (Isaiah 53) in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” (Isaiah 53) For “you were like sheep going astray,” but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
2 Peter 3:15 Consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved BROTHER PAUL also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him.
2 Peter 1:1 To those who through the righteousness of OUR GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST have received a faith as precious as ours
Most biblical scholars reject those epistles. Moreover Peter was uneducated as your own book says.
Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
Acts
@@Religiousstudies2000 That's a very ironic reply, wow. You claimed that you'd accept something from Peter, but when you get these verses, you reject them because "most biblical scholars" said so, which is a claim you are yet to prove. You're acting like there's some board of commission where they vote on authorship. Lynn Cohick, Craig Keener, Gary Burge, Gene Green, Thomas Schreiner, ect all affirm Peter's authorship.
You then proceed to use the very same New Testament you discredited during this debate to try and argue that Peter was uneducated. A classic case of circular reasoning there. It's only reliable when you want it to be reliable.
Secondly, I want to address your claims about the Gospel of Mark since you seem to hold scholarship in high regards (although these same scholars affirm that Jesus was crucified and died, which you and your Quran deny). I'm going to actually give you a reference to a survey about the authorship of Mark. PHD New Testament scholar Mike Licona had a grad student who did a survey of critical NT scholars since the 1960s on Mark. The MAJORITY of them affirm that John Mark is the author of Mark, and that PETER is his main source. ("Was Peter Mark's Source for the Gospel of Mark") You can go watch the 40+ minute long video on Licona's channel.
Furthermore, your Quran in Surah 48:29 attempts to quote from the Gospel of Mark chapter 4. Not to mention Surah 5:47 where we are told to judge by the Gospel we have. What Gospel did we have? And don’t play games with you have 4 gospels plural! Because I have quotes from the early Church calling the New Testament “the Gospel” or the fourfold Gospel.
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation.
According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.”
Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
@@syedhasan5861 You just wasted about 15 minutes writing an essay for no reason, because I'm not an evangelical. I believe in the Trinity (which your Quran gets wrong) but you were wrong about your main presumption of evangelicalism.
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islame what a beautiful religion 🕋💕💋🥰😍Bukhari 5133: “the Prophet (🐷) married her [Aisha] 👶when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old