@@notgotnameyet there is a difference between shouting and raising his voice in order that people may hear what he is saying. They are at Speaker's Corner, not in someone's lounge. Bob is addressing a crowd on the open air.
Ironic that a Muslim would call in to doubt how the bible was passed by eye witnesses who was not named. Yet the whole Koran is passed by word by those who are never named or was even in the same century as Mohammed let alone within a generation
My favorite is they insist the Bible is corrupted bc it came “400 yrs after Jesus” (which is nonsense), yet somehow their dumb Q isn’t corrupted when it came 8 centuries after Jesus lol. They’re all hypocrites. Nothing but full of thoughtless excuses.
We have the hadith narration from disciples of our prophet by name , where they was born,age, their profession, recitation standard and who wrote the passages transmitted from mohamed in every category of the Quran. If current day christianity had the same standard it would be uncontested and indisputable. Muslims did all those work to be accountable. Where is our Christians friends transparency ?. Saying they were unknown authors destroys any logical human to believe and actually proves the Quran right when it says bible is corrupted. May the most merciful guide you.
@@samizakariya5155 Okay. But then, by your logic, there'd be no reason to believe in the Qur'an that Jesus didn't die because literally there were no recitation standard and chain of narrators that says otherwise before the advent of Islam.
@@samizakariya5155 Mzms always have failed to see the forest thru the trees. Tell me how a he said, he said, his uncle said is more reliable than God directly speaking to a prophet or apostle?! Tell me how 10s to 1000s of witnesses vs zero witnesses at all helps proves legitimacy. Tell me how using some supposedly significant name (of someone u can’t prove existed) as credit means anything when there’s literally 1000s of subwriters. Tell me how knowing someone’s birth place, grandparents names and entire backstory even proves the message real or true? God knows ur own scholars admit Hafs was a liar and literary thief and yet 98% of mzms today completely ignore that. Ur stoopid Q writers erroneously thought that by adding in every little detail down to how many rocks someone wiped his butt w that that somehow added to the story’s believability all the while being incapable of remembering what they just said lol. Stop being so naive. As for the Bible’s authors, we know who wrote the books and did long before ur 11th c “corrupted Bible” accusation came along, but let’s pretend we don’t. Unlike ur Q, our bible supports itself thruout itself and when not prophesying in one place, it’s fulfilling it in the other. For every verse u find, you’ll find the same written or alluded to elsewhere. Ur Q doesn’t even have two completed stories let alone two of the same. When ur god and profit can’t remember what they just said, it’s high time to realize it’s bs.
if you want to see real contradiction and nonsens. look here at at the bible. Many passages have been added by scribes eager to insert their own stories and beliefs. 1 John 5:7-8 and Mark 16:9-20 are just a couple of examples. These and dozens of other passages were NOT written into the Bible and yet they are included in most Bibles today. Many passages have been changed to avoid embarrassing situations and contradictions. Methuselah once lived 15 years beyond the great flood, Now he is killed off in the year of the flood. Goliath was 6 feet nine inches tall when he fought David. Now he is three feet taller than that. Same Goliath was killed twice, first by David, then, many years later, by Elhanan. Eventually, someone got this bright idea of adding the words the brother of in front of Goliath, thus creating a brother for Goliath and removing the contradiction.
@@topcatcoolio8807 The Quran was memorized, written and acted upon in the time of prophet (peacebe upon him).. But are your testicle crushed? Look the bible. Deut. 23:1 "No man whose testicles have been crushed or whose organ has been cut off may become a member of the Assembly of God".
@@notgotnameyet Haha testicles crushed haha. I'm in the New covenant new testament of Faith love Holy Spirit, Baptism etc not Old testament. Muslims dont understand Bible. Koran not a book of peace
this Muslim is defeating himself....he talks about witnesses, so who was the muslim who witnessed that Jesus was not crucified? by his own arguement he should also doubt the quran. If he's going to reject tacitus how can he then go and say oh I believe in Mohammed who was 600 years late....it really doesn't make sense
The Woman Caught in Audultery is attested to in the Didascalia which was written around 230 AD, almost 400 years before Islam and little more than a single century after Revelation was written by John. All the oldest Christian Text support the Woman in Adultery. Church Tradition and History is Important!
They mock, lie & behave like scholars claiming, the Bible is corrupted, but they don’t know, who wrote their Quran & who wrote Surah al Baqarah(Cow chapter)..🤦🏽♂️🤦♀️🤦
If nothing else, we can observe them as the product of life-long, generations-long, indoctrination and threats of shunning/harm/death if they dare to think for themselves or ask questions. It seems this training also gives them a false sense of superiority and a license to do unspeakable things in the name of their religion. It is, by any definition, a cult that has lasted 1400 years.
Jesus told us that anyone who comes after me and deny me is a false prophet. Here, Muslims deny the Words Jesus said and do not even believe in death and resurrection which Jesus spoke before it actually took place, we conclude that Muslims and their prophet are bunch of false prophets spreading lies.
@@History_Matters Abdul, you say it yourself...you believe the gangster Ali compiled it, but you know nothing...its just claims from the Abdul and as usual without any evidence...
@@TheBong1983 what kind of evidence you want ? The version of Quran we have today was compiled by a committee headed by Zaid Ibn Thabit The original version of the Quran was compiled by Imam Ali during the Iife of the prophet along with its correct explanation (tafsir) and revelations of hidden meanings (Ta'weel) . Muslims rejected the authority of Imam Ali and made their own version of Quran purely from holy verses , omitting by that the tafsir and ta'weel Do you want hadiths that prove my claim?
At least this Muslim waited for his turn to speak instead of interrupting non stop like most Muslims that debate Christians do all the time . Go Bob Go God bless you
islame what a beautiful religion 🕋💕💋🥰😍Bukhari 5133: “the Prophet (🐷) married her [Aisha] 👶when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old
Why waste time believing in pagan Al Lah, who has a shin, 2 right hands and is not a Spirit?.. Al Lah has 99 names but YHWH is not one of his names, making Islamic god, not Abrahamic.🤦🏽♂️🤦♀️🤦
@@tomthequranicscholar8985 she was sixteen, her age started to be counted after her first period when she was 10, so prophet Muhammad (may peace and blessings be upon him) married Aisha (R.A) when she was 16 and consummated the marriage when she was 19
@@alonzoharris9049 The standards I refer to are the ones Islam uses for itself and the standards Christians use for the Bible. The criteria found in the Quran like 'If you find a contradiction, it is not from Allah'. That is an Islamic standard and NOT a Christian one. No book in the Bible was written by God. So Muslims quite often use that standard when asking Q's about the Bible, thinking they have made some point if the Bible fails the standards for the Quran. Assumptive ignorance.
The Shia ignores that the author of the Quran is not known either its just assumed and that person was not an eyewitness to the events in the 1st century as well.
It's so annoying when a Muslim says they reject Paul so you can't use anything Paul says. That's like us saying you can't use anything Mo said because we don't recognize him as an authority (why should we believe this pagan caravan robber?). They don't want to deal with certain hadiths (especially in talking with Christians) so they say they don't accept them. No wonder this religion has lasted for too long-- ignore anything that shows what they believe is wrong.
Those that deny christ will not be saved. What a beautiful life jesus lived, what beautiful teachings, what wonderful miracles, what a loving sacrifice. Compare that to mohammed, any intelligent being can see he was not from God. Who is the best to follow looking at them both in parallel. Even if mohammed himself said he was not from God muslims would still not believe. The brain washing is so immense that it seems like an almost impossible task to help people get saved. We have very little time until the day of the Lord, I hope God will help by entering there hearts. Now what is absurd is that jesus is supposedly going to come and confirm mohammed, the problem here is that they taught the complete opposite. Now if jesus was a muslim then why did jesus teach a completely different message. What mohammed met in that cave was a demon not an angel, no angel of the Lord has ever caused harm to a prophet and has always introduced itself. Mohammed knew he got revelations from satan but could not tell the difference. Why would satan leave him once he had mohammed in his grasp. Why should he be believed after this.
Islam/Muslims have an odd fascination with the Apostle Paul. Really weird. They really don’t like him for some reason. I ask them why and it’s always something like we “follow Paul” … they do not question what they are taught about in regards to the Apostle Paul.
@@anthonymartin4397 Also, Galatians 1:8 (HSB) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, a curse be on him!
@@hereweare9096 They hate Paul because he preached with authority that they cannot overcome with their nonsense. Why debate against Paul when you can just say "We don't accept Paul" and be done with him.
There's many times, where Jesus asked us questions....but NOT because He didn't know the answer, but so that in our answering, we reflect on ourselves and what we're saying. Jesus always knows people heart and mind, even when He walked among us. When the lady who has been ill and bleeding for years came running up and touched His tassel from behind as He walked among the crowds that followed Him, He turned around and asked, who touched Him, because He felt power come out from Him. We must remember that Jesus always spoke with wisdom, and that there's good reason for all He did. Jesus has always know everything, this is why He knew things before they happened, and could hear people's thoughts and answered them. God knows our thoughts. Matthew 9:4 "But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, “Why do you think evil in your hearts?" Jesus knew in detail, the lady who was living in adultery, and she could not believe how He knew al that while nobody else but herself knew. Only God can know everthing about us. Titus 2:13-14 ❤️ "waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works."
This guy: I understand that you have eyewitnesses and documentation BUT, theologically I disagree. This guy just said, you have evidence that I don't agree with because theologically I believe a man 600yr later said nope. No evidence other than second hand word from a stranger who didn't understand personal space.
@@alonzoharris9049 I get it Bob gave a variety of evidence and he said theologically he disagrees. He chooses to theologically depend on second hand info 600 years after the fact. His source doesn't even claim the info was directly from God/Allah. I'm surely missing whatever implications you're hinting towards.
Jerome born 150 years before the prophet was aware people were denying Jesus crucified even while the crucified person blood not even had time to dry "While the apostles were still surviving, while Christ's blood was still fresh in Judea, the Lord's body was asserted to be but a phantasm."
@@alonzoharris9049 You're confused about proof of a crucified Christ and that of a risen Christ. This guy should be pleased with any argument about the risen Christ that would be purely theologically based. Seemed to me the discussion was about the crucified Christ. The risen Christ is a separate discussion that proves nothing about the crucified Christ. That's gaslighting.
@@alonzoharris9049 I received a revelation in a cave from an angel that muhammad was a bengali living in pakistan. Yes i know this is 1400 years after muhammad was born, but you got to be believe me bro because i am a prophet. Sound silly? Exactly how we christians feel when you muslims say that we have to take the jesus in quran as more accurate, which ( quran ) came 600 years after Jesus was born.
I wont believe a book from same century wrote by the person I dont know, I rather believe a word from a mad men from some cave that say he got it from the creator, even it hundreds of years later. What a logic
47:00 The 'Let the one without sin cast the first stone is paralleled by the 'Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones. Sorry, but you are wrong, Abdul.
That verse in the Bible was a later addition in the Middle ages lmao.... imagine basing your entire salvation on a book that anyone can edit and tamper with like wikipedia page lmao...
@@tahahagar7664 Hahaha wrong about the Middle Ages and do you think the Quran has gone unchanged? Buhahahaha! Did men write it down? You know, like idiots enter things into Wikipedia? Any writing must involve a human. Humans are humans and can and do evil things like edit Holy texts to their liking. I know all about the Quran and have looked at the earliest manuscripts. None are the same. Do you use the Hafs Quran? Do you know that Hafs was known as a lying POS? A serial liar recited the Quran most Muslims use and you talk shade on the Bible? Why have they found ZERO archeological evidence of people living in Mecca before the 8th century? Every construction site in Mecca starts with a dig iin search of evidence and NONE! Because Petra is the actual Mecca. No high mountains, parallel valleys or rivers and no evidence of the kind of trees that were listed in Mecca as described in the Quran. Petra has all of those features. Buhahahaha
The Diatessaron, which is the very first Harmonized version of all four Gospels Consolidated into one, is one of the Oldest Christian writings outside of the Bible written in the late second century by Tatian contains The Woman in Adultery and the Original Ending to Mark. See why Church history is important?
30:46 in. "You follow Paul. A MURDERER..." It is the most saddest thing when people don't actually listen to the words coming out of their own mouths. The Hypocrisy is a testament to THE ONE TRUE GOD YAHWEH. IN KING JESUS'S NAME I THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL. AMEN.
So the Shia brother dismisses 2nd century church fathers (who actually walked with the apostles) but has no problem appealing to hadiths that came centuries after Muhammad? Interesting 🤔🤦🏿♂️
St Peter and St Paul are in complete agreement as to who and what Jesus Christ was and is, so, I fail to see why this Shia Muslim is trying to create some kind of artificial disagreement between them. Is he saying that Peter was a Muslim and Paul was a disbeliever, by preaching Trinitarian Christianity? If so, his argument for the validity of Islam is very weak. Bob won this debate hands down - enjoyed the discussion; thanks for uploading.
Show me the teachings of peter which are correctly attributed to him. As I mentioned in the debate. St. Peter’s epistles are not his as attested by the majority of biblical scholars
Would like to commend this type of discussion as the standard to be set as the rational and proper way for interlocuters to present their different points of view. However, this appears to be a very uncommon occurrence at the speakers' corner mostly it ends up as a shouting match or melee and on one occasion a stabbing! Congratulations Bob for having this debate as you have clearly identified the litmus test for deciding which belief is true simply on the evidence. It was clearly a slam dunk in favor of Christianity
Love Bob immediately seeing the irony in Mr Shia using OT verses (Ps91 quoted by Satan to defend the Koranic Cult), to defend Mr Shia’s position here.. and Bob immediately refuting Mr Shia with logic. A good respectful debate nonetheless.
This idea that a man that resembles Jesus was crucified is the first I hear and it goes to show that u can go on with complete and total lies and sound believable. The comment Bob made regarding Satan who tells truths but deceives is very interesting and to me this type of deceiving is being displayed during this video and the person doing the deceiving is not Bob.
@@samizakariya5155 That is why Christians would never believe that because our Bible says Jesus was crucified, died, was buried, and on the 3rd day he rose again. Our Bible says that Jesus died and saved us from sin he was not saved - he saved. And is sitting at the right hand of The Father. Jesus does not have "a Lord" because he is Lord. Jesus was taken to his father. Thanks be to our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. By the way, we like to spell Jesus with a CAPITAL "J" - we Christians do this because it shows a certain level of respect to our Savior, but its also just a respectful thing to do even if you are not a believer. Godspeed.
The first maryr Stephen saw Jesus standing at the right hand of the Father but I think He was standing because they were killing Stephen. Alonzo, the only way we'll know for sure is when we die. If you don't confess the Lord Jesus and that believe that God raised him from the dead, what you see may be very different from what we see. Romans 10:9,10.
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation. According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.” Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
It was common 2000 years ago for writings to be anonymous In particular the Gospels being written at a time when Jesus was considered a heretic a criminal a trouble maker for the Romans and Jews so you can understand why they are anonymous
We have the following (for the crucifixion): ... The Roman Longilus (the one who thrust the spear into Jesus and got water). Hence, the spear or destiny is known as the Spear of Longilus. It is said that Longilus said, "truly this is the Son of God". ... We have eyewitnesses of the crucifixion - not only by Jesuss' friends and families - but also by Roman Soldiers. ... we have scriptural notices that say, "the great curtain between the Holies of Holies (where God resided) torn from top to bottom. - I ask anyone, "if no one witnessed this, how did they know the curtain (between the Holies of Holies) did split in two. ... After Jesus was died, buried and resurrected, multiple people saw him (this was far before the internet, and or any other electronic capacity to transmit his likeliness). Was this mass hysteria or actual sightings of Jesus? ... Not only did eyewitnesses see Him (jesus) multiple non-christian historians wrote: - That dead Carpenter (note the definitive word "that") that the Roman nailed to a cross existed. That = a definitive article - noting a specific person, not a general person. - Even Greek historians noted "that or "the" dead carpenter - who the Romans killed on a cross". Again, note the definitive articles - not general. - The Sun blackened, storm clouds formed, and the earth became dark - Note: for this to be written it must have been witnessed by someone and or others. ---
Very well explained Bob thank for your hard your work and commitment in preaching Jesus Christ messages to muslims and visitors in the park so as the rest of the world tuning in, I pray to God to bless you with wisdoms ,courage, and give you the strength physicality and mentally @ JC praying for you too my brother and thank you for work and dedication which able us to tune in and listen Glory to Jesus
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation. According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.” Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
hey you seem knowledgeable ; can I ask you a question (I am Christian, but quite new) so when Jesus says only God is good abide by the LAW, wouldnt that mean cause Jesus hadnt died yet (and resurrected) that the Jewish LAW was still the only effective way to go to heaven?
I don’t mind saying for Muhammad’s sake. For my sake for Christ’s sake. I don’t believe in your understanding of not naming the lord in vain. That’s a concept which is completely absent in Islam. And we don’t believe that Jesus is THE LORD, as in God almighty.
@@Religiousstudies2000 doesn't matter the truth is that Jesus Christ is God Almighty. Reality won't change just because you believe in a false god that tolerate blaspheming.
Soooo, this guy is just going to ignore Bob's clear refutations, pretend it didn't happen and just move on to the next point toward a completely different subject? Hmmmmm, it's almost like I've seen this before but I can't quite put my finger on it. 🤔 Oh, that's right! It's EVERY SINGLE Islamic apologist he debates! Bloodfire is so easily distracted, God bless him lol.
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation. According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.” Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
@@syedhasan5861 one cannot go raping people and claim to be Christians. If fact it is in islam who teaches you to behave in this manner in raping over and over again. Also the rags of menstruation that you claim the Bible states is way better than what your religion teaches by saying bite your fathers penis and lick the clit of allat. And you talk about filth. Your religion is demonic. Because you are so demonized the truth flew over your head. Also if you committed a sinful act and come to God with true repentence in your heart. God knows your true intent. If you truly repent, you will not go and do same sin again. Because if you do the same sin again then you actually repented by lip service and not truly with your heart. You in islam are allowed to do lip service repentance. Also if God forgive your sins of rape, you still have to make right with the law on earth by giving yourself up to the police for your crime. If you do not rectify your sin to the legal authorities then God will not forgive you. Because not only you have sinned in rape but you are also lying by not rectifying your crimes.
@Crisanto Ballenthe catholic catechism states for a catholic to go to heaven they must believe in the doctrine of the trinity, they must believe in the vicarious atonement, they must repent after they committed a sinful deed, they must do good works and must perform catholic rituals such as attending mass and confessionals. All humans are going to sin even after receiving God's grace after repentance that is why believing catholics confess their sins to their catholic priest on a weekly basis to first repent for the sins they have committed for that week and then ask for absolution from their catholic priest. The evangelical christian belief states for a evangelical christian to go to heaven they must believe in the doctrine of the trinity , they must believe in the vicarious atonement and they must repent after they commit a sinful deed. Saved Not by Good Works To be clear, good works are bad when they are seen as the basis of salvation. A person is not saved by works but by God's grace through faith in Christ. The Apostle Paul explains: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. (Eph. 2:8-10) Works are not meritorious. Salvation is "not your own doing" and "not a result of works." Even the faith through which we receive salvation is a gracious gift from God. As fallen creatures, our best efforts are laced with sin. To borrow from Francis Schaeffer, how many finite buckets of good works would it take to fill the infinite gulf that exists between God and us because of our sin? Good works provide no basis for boasting because they are utterly worthless to save. The only foundation for salvation is Christ. We are saved by His works, not ours. To be clear, good works are bad when they are seen as the basis of salvation. A person is not saved by works but by God's grace through faith in Christ. The Apostle Paul explains: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. (Eph. 2:8-10) Works are not meritorious. Salvation is "not your own doing" and "not a result of works." Even the faith through which we receive salvation is a gracious gift from God. As fallen creatures, our best efforts are laced with sin. We are saved by His works, not ours.According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.” Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
What you believe and what you know are 2 different things!.... You can believe something to be true that's false (islam) But if you know something to be true, you believe in something factual (Christ/Christianity)!
@@tahahagar7664 Oh really, so you're either admitting that your pagan Isa/Esau the Levite isn't Jesus Christ, and the Injil never was our scripture, or, you're rejecting 5:46-47 as just one injil verse, and you're rejecting Isa if you believe Isa to be Jesus Christ, and if you reject a single prophet/messenger, just one, then you reject all, including your possessed false prophet! Which is it!?! 😂 🤣 🤣 See abdool, the problem you all have is that your cult is dependant on our scripture and Christianity to be true, of not, your cult is false by default! Whereas we dont have any reliance or need for your cult, because we can prove its got nothing to do with our God, our scripture, our Prophets, us, the Jews, Abraham! You've got everything to lose, not us! 😂 🤣 🤣 🤣
@@chrisballen7851 yes a few things are historically accurate but all the claims about Jesus being god, healing the lame and blind and whoever was sick and all this supersticious stuff isnt...its literally the same what the Abdul do, its just stupid claims...
Guy bounces around scripture, hen pecking them out of the context that Jesus was crucified. The Bible shows no clear scripture that indicates that a false "Jesus" was put in his place. How would you argue the thieves on the cross? The one saw him as the Savior, and what did that "Jesus" tell him? Why would a fake "Jesus" say what he said after that? I highly doubt that a "sane" disciple would Jesus' place on the cross, especially when they all hid, and Peter denied knowing him, because he was protecting himself? So what, Islam dough boy, would you say to that? I think about the pain Jesus endured and the actions of the disciples. Some Muslims say Judas took his place. Wrong. Judas was dead the next day after he fingered Jesus. Judas repented and punished himself of what he did. Days after that, was Jesus crucified. Other Muslims say it was Thomas who took his place. Are you kidding me? Thomas was a coward and a doubter...and who observed Jesus' hands and side after the Resurrection? Thomas! So, two groups of Muslims are proved wrong by scripture. Like saying Peter died in Jesus' place! Wanna toss out any other names?
The difference with how the Bible was written as compared to the way the Quran was written is that the writers of the Bible (especially the Gospels) were inspired to write their OWN EXPERIENCES AND POINTS OF VIEW AND UNDERSTANDING. The fact that their accounts differ shows that they are not copycats, it just shows different points of view. The message is the same...Jesus was God who came in the flesh, who sacrificed himself for humanity in order to save them.
Your argument undermines your Bible and doesnt help it... So you admit the accounts in the bible are just some sort of journalism or heresay and what authors heared, saw etc.. from their own subjective prespective... why would you base your salvation on such a document when you can base you salvation on the literal verbatim OBJECTIVE ABSOLUTE words of your Creator? Also werent all of the them inspired by the Holy Spirit? Why then would their accounts differ and contradict?
@@tahahagar7664 Which part of "INSPIRED" did you not understand in my comment? Please learn to read properly before making a hash of yourself. The Bible has the words of God but he also inspired people to write so we can have an understanding which is on our level. If he were to write it himself we would struggle to understand it. You mistake point of view to contradiction. If someone places a mirror between us we will not see it the same way. You will see the reflective side whereas I will see the rear unreflective side. My explanation of what I see does not change the fact that it is a mirror. Your scripture claims that it is the verbatim objective and absolute words of your creator. What does he mean by this?... 18:83 They will ask thee of Dhu'l-Qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a remembrance of him. 84 Lo! We made him strong in the land and gave him unto every thing a road. 85 And he followed a road 86 Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. So what does your creator mean by the sun setting in a muddy spring?
@@tahahagar7664 loll from Moses (deutronomy 19 15) to Jesus(Mathew 18 16) and Paul (2corinthians 13 1) all required 2 or 3 witnesses for the narrative to stand, the Bible requires witnesses not just one man claiming to be a prophet but contradicting history without any witness for his revelations.
@@solascriptura1536 My Creator? Hes you creator too... It just says a man named Dhul Qarnain saw the sun set, something every human being sees every day...
@@servicemabunda3781 Can you name any prophet in history that taught the trinity or incarnation before Paul?? Where were the witnesses of Paul on the road to Damascus?? Why do you trust anything that comes out of Paul's mouth?
This guy really said “a lie is when you make a claim and the truth is the opposite of that” so if you say it’s red and it’s green it’s a lie but if you say it’s red and it’s amber it’s not a lie? This guy’s moral standard is really in the mud and he doesn’t even know it. Because he genuinely thought that was a good point
So Mustafa says that we have nothing of Peter's teaching, they are all gone, they are swallowed up, but this is false...what about the epistles of Peter? Even if we go only with what Peter taught in 1Peter1 Jesus suffered, shed his blood, and died for the forgiveness of sins.....and all this through crucifixion......1Peter 2: 24 “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”
Matthew 26:53-54 debunks any of this guys misapplication of Psalm 91, he appeals to the same scholarship that affirms Jesus was crucified, and then appealed to some random Hadith or tafsir 600• years after Jesus. Who passed on those traditions of Jesus saying only 1 group of Christians will be saved?? This is all only a few minutes in. Lots of errors, inconsistency, and fallacies.
We do have the 'Gospel' of Peter... Mark was a follower of Peter and wrote down his teachings. Acts, written by Luke, also includes the teachings of Peter. Then there's the Didache...
I love how he kept asking for an eye witness, denying the eye witnesses presented on the basis that "it's not known they're authoritative", then cites allah as his eye witness when asked to present a muslim one lool... he appeals to gnostic gospels whose authors are absolutely not known and come from the 6th C when they support his demonic lie, then rejects the new testament gospels from >70A.D..... this was an absolute self own and decimation. i'm not sure how he doesn't see his stark hypocrisy and inconsistency
Allah did not leave any key to the truth, he left more deception: 7:157 "Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper." 61:6 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!" First question: Where in the TORAH and GOSPELS do we read of an unlettered prophet? Second question: Where in the Bible does Jesus give glad tidings of a messenger to come after him whose name shall be Ahmad (not Qutham ibn Abd Al-Lat)?
Bobs arguments 1. The oral teaching predating the gospels which the Gospel of Luke alludes to in the beginning of his gospel 2. The consensus of the gospels in the New Testament confirming the crucifixion. 3. Writings of the early church fathers such as Ignatius 4. Consensus of secular historians 5. Early pagan non Jewish historians My refutation 1. All of those individuals are unknown, hence I won’t place my salvation in the hands of people who’s names I don’t even know 2. I’ve shown how gospel writers copy from each other and change parts of the accounts when the account doesn’t suite them. The example I gave where Mark/Mathew copy from one another word for word is as follows: in the gospel of Matthew we read “-let the reader understand- then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.” In the gospel of mark it says the exact same thing verbatim. An example where the gospel writers change wordings is as follows: we read in the gospel of mark “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone.” In the gospel of Matthew the negation is changed as we read the following “Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” The part where Jesus questions the man is gone and the part where Jesus asked the man why he calls him good and that God alone is purely good are all ever so slightly changed in the gospel of Mathew. Moreover the gospels have undoubtedly been corrupted after they were written as per John 8 and potentially Matthew 28:19 due to eusebius quoting the verse by only mentioning the son and not the other two components of the trinity. Also, no where do we read that the authors mention that Jesus gave them the authority to write about him. 3. The church fathers based their faith on the gospels which I’ve just proven to be vary shaky and they all came after 33 AD. 4. This part here was really disingenuous in my opinion. Because this is not a buffet where you pick and chose. If you deem secular historians as an authority you should no longer be a Christian. As it is true that the crucifixion of Jesus is verified historically (in the framework of the secular study of the history of religion) it is also true that those same historians negate the divinity of Christ and they negate the virgin birth as being ahistorical... so why pick and chose. The historical conclusion about Jesus is that he was a zealot who preached about the coming of apocalyptic events and that he died via crucifixion. No Christian believes all of that so again why pick and choose? Consistency is key. 5. Again all of those came after 33 AD so they were simply narrating what people were preaching it’s quite an insignificant point to mention in a debate which centres on who’s theology is true or not with regards to the crucifixion of Christ.
Did this Abdul say we can't trust the early sources i.e. the New Testament for the sayings and account of Jesus life? Is this Abdul serious? He's quoting a hadith which supposedly has the sayings of Jesus that came 800 years after the life of Jesus and we are suppose to take that quotation as authentic saying of Christ? I swear these Abduls are brain damaged beyond repair.
So these people who choose to live in the UK, so distant a place from there spiritual homeland, and presume to inform us that the religion we have held for over a thousand years is false.
Roman historian Tacitus trestifys to the crucifixion of christ , also Jewish historian Flavius Joseph's in his book Wars of the Jews testifies to the crucifixion of christ. Two historians who were not christians.
This Muslim guy has a double standard where he could not even provide evidence from his Quran in the first century of Islam. To give it up all to Allah is very indicated a total loss in this debate.
Dude C'mon mannnnn, this gets frustrating to watch after awhile. The guy is actually admits that christ was crucified. You can believe in whatever all you want, but if the historical facts prove christ died by crucifixion then it doesn't matter what you believe. The guy admitted it, everything else is waffle 🧇
JESUS SAID: UPON THIS ROCK.. It is JESUS/GOD who is the rock of our salvation. Not Peter. That's catholic nonsense. "He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved." PSALM 62:2
Islam and Muslims like this hurt my head🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾 I don't even know why I even wasted almost 30 minutes or more on watching this guy for the second time. I do appreciate his respectfulness but in the end of the day we have to know when to call it quits and stop wasting our time with these people. I'm for sharing the gospel, plant the seed and let the Holy Spirit do His job( by the way, He can do a wayyyy better job than us anyways) this constant time after time with these lost souls is so wasteful in my opinion. There's handful of other people who are hungry for the authentic gospel.
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation. According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.” Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
@@alonzoharris9049 Yeah, consistent in ignoring Bobs points. Ignoring the fact Bob could use his own arguements to refute islam. There is no original manuscripts because uthman burnt them all. Thus you cannot garentee the quran has been accuratley preserved.
As far as evidence of the greatest incident in history, go to the best sources of those directly involved. Therefore, how about Pontius Pilates' letter/report to Ceasar ?
Actually Paul (Bolus) is mentioned in the quran as one of the 3 apostels according to the tafsirs. So the whole Peter argument is nonsense (beside also irrelevant to the topic) Tafsir Al Qurtubi on surah 61:14
The Quran: O ye who believe! Be Allah's helpers, even as Jesus son of Mary said unto the disciples: Who are my helpers for Allah? They said: We are Allah's helpers. And a party of the Children of Israel believed, while a party disbelieved. Then We strengthened those who believed against their foe, and they became the uppermost. 61:14 Allah supported the righteous followers of Jesus to remain uppermost. Historically these are followers who affirm Jesus’s death, deity, and resurrection. This Muslim guy keeps appealing to Peter and his belief in Peter etc and yet he denies that Peter was guided to become uppermost since his claim is Peters writings are not with us today. He says that Paul and others actually became uppermost. So he has a dilemma. Either Allah lied and didn’t guide the true followers to become uppermost, or Allah is too impotent to do what he promised. Either way he’s left with a god that lies or a god that is impotent.
@mysotiras 015 nope Bob's argument about trinitarians being superior to Unitarians across history as contradicting the Quran , was quickly smashed by the Shia brother through the Shia concept of "The Return" , which will happen before Judgement day الرّجعة I'm waiting the debate to reach Islam and the shia theology . Bob has almost nothing against us . He is only able to confront sunnis , not shia .
@@History_Matters The problem my friend is not Sunnis or Shias. The problem is Mohammad. It's an eternal problem for Islam. Sunnis and Shia issue is secondary.
Muslim shuffle 🔀 Bob keep up the good work! I’m so impressed how you preach the gospel😎it’s 🎯🎯🎯perfect uncovering the lies of Satan as you are referring, how Islam twist the gospel like Satan it’s interesting!
Good one Bob you are a very patient man of God 🙏
Out of hundreds of videos from speakers corner I've watched . This is the first Muslim that held an actual debate without interrupting. Respect
It.s because he's Shia Muslim not Sunni..I've Noticed that in Speaker's Corner..less Hostel
@@lazarus5609 100% FACTS
The shouting christian guy is okay?
@@notgotnameyet there is a difference between shouting and raising his voice in order that people may hear what he is saying. They are at Speaker's Corner, not in someone's lounge. Bob is addressing a crowd on the open air.
@@Lavender-blue80 some Christian shout hard. Do believe god?
God bless Bob and JC🙏
Ironic that a Muslim would call in to doubt how the bible was passed by eye witnesses who was not named. Yet the whole Koran is passed by word by those who are never named or was even in the same century as Mohammed let alone within a generation
muhummud hijab paid money for yasir qadi's courses but couldn't get an aut'graphed quran on a blank mushaf in return
My favorite is they insist the Bible is corrupted bc it came “400 yrs after Jesus” (which is nonsense), yet somehow their dumb Q isn’t corrupted when it came 8 centuries after Jesus lol. They’re all hypocrites. Nothing but full of thoughtless excuses.
We have the hadith narration from disciples of our prophet by name , where they was born,age, their profession, recitation standard and who wrote the passages transmitted from mohamed in every category of the Quran. If current day christianity had the same standard it would be uncontested and indisputable. Muslims did all those work to be accountable. Where is our Christians friends transparency ?. Saying they were unknown authors destroys any logical human to believe and actually proves the Quran right when it says bible is corrupted. May the most merciful guide you.
@@samizakariya5155 Okay. But then, by your logic, there'd be no reason to believe in the Qur'an that Jesus didn't die because literally there were no recitation standard and chain of narrators that says otherwise before the advent of Islam.
@@samizakariya5155 Mzms always have failed to see the forest thru the trees. Tell me how a he said, he said, his uncle said is more reliable than God directly speaking to a prophet or apostle?! Tell me how 10s to 1000s of witnesses vs zero witnesses at all helps proves legitimacy. Tell me how using some supposedly significant name (of someone u can’t prove existed) as credit means anything when there’s literally 1000s of subwriters. Tell me how knowing someone’s birth place, grandparents names and entire backstory even proves the message real or true? God knows ur own scholars admit Hafs was a liar and literary thief and yet 98% of mzms today completely ignore that. Ur stoopid Q writers erroneously thought that by adding in every little detail down to how many rocks someone wiped his butt w that that somehow added to the story’s believability all the while being incapable of remembering what they just said lol. Stop being so naive.
As for the Bible’s authors, we know who wrote the books and did long before ur 11th c “corrupted Bible” accusation came along, but let’s pretend we don’t. Unlike ur Q, our bible supports itself thruout itself and when not prophesying in one place, it’s fulfilling it in the other. For every verse u find, you’ll find the same written or alluded to elsewhere. Ur Q doesn’t even have two completed stories let alone two of the same. When ur god and profit can’t remember what they just said, it’s high time to realize it’s bs.
Like talking to a wall. I admire Bob's patience
I dont know if I possess Bob's patience to be honest. Big up Bob
Bob, obliterated this cat by The Holy Spirit. Bob talks like he's Orthodox, does anyone know?
@@redeemed354evangelical
what a nice muslim!!!may God lead him to the truth!!
Bob,keep the great work.
He seems like a very cool muslim. Congrats to both for quite a civilized dialogue
God bless Bob🙏❤️
Hadoken 💪..
Praise the Lord Jesus Christ our Lord and saviour 🙏
That was epic.
I pity those who fall for Islam.
Yes satan denies the cross salvation, which will send many to the Lake of Fire
if you want to see real contradiction and nonsens. look here at at the bible. Many passages have been added by scribes eager to insert their own stories and beliefs. 1 John 5:7-8 and Mark 16:9-20 are just a couple of examples. These and dozens of other passages were NOT written into the Bible and yet they are included in most Bibles today.
Many passages have been changed to avoid embarrassing situations and contradictions. Methuselah once lived 15 years beyond the great flood, Now he is killed off in the year of the flood. Goliath was 6 feet nine inches tall when he fought David. Now he is three feet taller than that. Same Goliath was killed twice, first by David, then, many years later, by Elhanan. Eventually, someone got this bright idea of adding the words the brother of in front of Goliath, thus creating a brother for Goliath and removing the contradiction.
No one knows who wrote the Koran. And yet muslim criticism of out New Testament. YET It Was EYE WITNESSES ACCOUNTs
@@topcatcoolio8807 The Quran was memorized, written and acted upon in the time of prophet (peacebe upon him).. But are your testicle crushed? Look the bible. Deut. 23:1 "No man whose testicles have been crushed or whose organ has been cut off may become a member of the Assembly of God".
@@notgotnameyet Haha testicles crushed haha. I'm in the New covenant new testament of Faith love Holy Spirit, Baptism etc not Old testament. Muslims dont understand Bible. Koran not a book of peace
this Muslim is defeating himself....he talks about witnesses, so who was the muslim who witnessed that Jesus was not crucified? by his own arguement he should also doubt the quran. If he's going to reject tacitus how can he then go and say oh I believe in Mohammed who was 600 years late....it really doesn't make sense
In exactly the same Gospel, Jesus says: "I am the GOOD Shepherd"
The Woman Caught in Audultery is attested to in the Didascalia which was written around 230 AD, almost 400 years before Islam and little more than a single century after Revelation was written by John. All the oldest Christian Text support the Woman in Adultery. Church Tradition and History is Important!
I like this man. He will see the error of his ways if he keeps talking to Bob
Heavily under Satanic influence still, sadly.
@@Jules-us8qr our battle us not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities
Absolutely
They mock, lie & behave like scholars claiming, the Bible is corrupted, but they don’t know, who wrote their Quran & who wrote Surah al Baqarah(Cow chapter)..🤦🏽♂️🤦♀️🤦
If nothing else, we can observe them as the product of life-long, generations-long, indoctrination and threats of shunning/harm/death if they dare to think for themselves or ask questions. It seems this training also gives them a false sense of superiority and a license to do unspeakable things in the name of their religion. It is, by any definition, a cult that has lasted 1400 years.
We know
we shia believe Imam Ali compiled the Quran
Jesus told us that anyone who comes after me and deny me is a false prophet. Here, Muslims deny the Words Jesus said and do not even believe in death and resurrection which Jesus spoke before it actually took place, we conclude that Muslims and their prophet are bunch of false prophets spreading lies.
@@History_Matters Abdul, you say it yourself...you believe the gangster Ali compiled it, but you know nothing...its just claims from the Abdul and as usual without any evidence...
@@TheBong1983 what kind of evidence you want ?
The version of Quran we have today was compiled by a committee headed by Zaid Ibn Thabit
The original version of the Quran was compiled by Imam Ali during the Iife of the prophet along with its correct explanation (tafsir) and revelations of hidden meanings (Ta'weel) .
Muslims rejected the authority of Imam Ali and made their own version of Quran purely from holy verses , omitting by that the tafsir and ta'weel
Do you want hadiths that prove my claim?
At least this Muslim waited for his turn to speak instead of interrupting non stop like most Muslims that debate Christians do all the time . Go Bob Go God bless you
The Muslims eyes light up when Bob mentions preservation of the bible yet Muslims were the first people to burn their own book 🤣🤣
Alonzo Harris wants Bob's autograph
islame what a beautiful religion 🕋💕💋🥰😍Bukhari 5133: “the Prophet (🐷) married her [Aisha] 👶when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old
But muhummud believed in 3 allahs: lat, manat and uzza (sura 22.52)
Why waste time believing in pagan Al Lah, who has a shin, 2 right hands and is not a Spirit?.. Al Lah has 99 names but YHWH is not one of his names, making Islamic god, not Abrahamic.🤦🏽♂️🤦♀️🤦
@@tomthequranicscholar8985 she was sixteen, her age started to be counted after her first period when she was 10, so prophet Muhammad (may peace and blessings be upon him) married Aisha (R.A) when she was 16 and consummated the marriage when she was 19
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Yes we believe your taq-iyya 👌😆
Sad. Why do they insist on applying their standards for their religion to another religion with different standards? Boring and desperate.
@@alonzoharris9049 The standards I refer to are the ones Islam uses for itself and the standards Christians use for the Bible. The criteria found in the Quran like 'If you find a contradiction, it is not from Allah'. That is an Islamic standard and NOT a Christian one. No book in the Bible was written by God. So Muslims quite often use that standard when asking Q's about the Bible, thinking they have made some point if the Bible fails the standards for the Quran. Assumptive ignorance.
Blind follow the blind I pray your voice reaches them Bob.
The Shia ignores that the author of the Quran is not known either its just assumed and that person was not an eyewitness to the events in the 1st century as well.
We’ve clearly mentioned that the author of Quran is Allah....
@@Religiousstudies2000 Has anyone ever met Allah?
@@Religiousstudies2000not good enough bro lol. Gotta do better than that.
It's so annoying when a Muslim says they reject Paul so you can't use anything Paul says. That's like us saying you can't use anything Mo said because we don't recognize him as an authority (why should we believe this pagan caravan robber?). They don't want to deal with certain hadiths (especially in talking with Christians) so they say they don't accept them. No wonder this religion has lasted for too long-- ignore anything that shows what they believe is wrong.
Those that deny christ will not be saved. What a beautiful life jesus lived, what beautiful teachings, what wonderful miracles, what a loving sacrifice. Compare that to mohammed, any intelligent being can see he was not from God. Who is the best to follow looking at them both in parallel. Even if mohammed himself said he was not from God muslims would still not believe. The brain washing is so immense that it seems like an almost impossible task to help people get saved. We have very little time until the day of the Lord, I hope God will help by entering there hearts. Now what is absurd is that jesus is supposedly going to come and confirm mohammed, the problem here is that they taught the complete opposite. Now if jesus was a muslim then why did jesus teach a completely different message. What mohammed met in that cave was a demon not an angel, no angel of the Lord has ever caused harm to a prophet and has always introduced itself. Mohammed knew he got revelations from satan but could not tell the difference. Why would satan leave him once he had mohammed in his grasp. Why should he be believed after this.
Islam/Muslims have an odd fascination with the Apostle Paul. Really weird.
They really don’t like him for some reason. I ask them why and it’s always something like we “follow Paul” … they do not question what they are taught about in regards to the Apostle Paul.
@@anthonymartin4397 Also, Galatians 1:8 (HSB) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, a curse be on him!
@@hereweare9096 They hate Paul because he preached with authority that they cannot overcome with their nonsense. Why debate against Paul when you can just say "We don't accept Paul" and be done with him.
@@jdschauss It’s just really odd how it’s almost a script. The same thing from so many.
Jesus also accepted the title the”good” Shepard
Impressive debate brother bob❤
There's many times, where Jesus asked us questions....but NOT because He didn't know the answer, but so that in our answering, we reflect on ourselves and what we're saying. Jesus always knows people heart and mind, even when He walked among us. When the lady who has been ill and bleeding for years came running up and touched His tassel from behind as He walked among the crowds that followed Him, He turned around and asked, who touched Him, because He felt power come out from Him. We must remember that Jesus always spoke with wisdom, and that there's good reason for all He did. Jesus has always know everything, this is why He knew things before they happened, and could hear people's thoughts and answered them. God knows our thoughts.
Matthew 9:4
"But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, “Why do you think evil in your hearts?"
Jesus knew in detail, the lady who was living in adultery, and she could not believe how He knew al that while nobody else but herself knew. Only God can know everthing about us.
Titus 2:13-14 ❤️
"waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works."
Spot on!
Why is their whole faith based on not something but the denial of something
glad to be the 1,000 like. Keep doing the lords work bob
God bless Bob, and this Shia man too
This guy: I understand that you have eyewitnesses and documentation BUT, theologically I disagree. This guy just said, you have evidence that I don't agree with because theologically I believe a man 600yr later said nope. No evidence other than second hand word from a stranger who didn't understand personal space.
@@alonzoharris9049 I get it Bob gave a variety of evidence and he said theologically he disagrees. He chooses to theologically depend on second hand info 600 years after the fact. His source doesn't even claim the info was directly from God/Allah. I'm surely missing whatever implications you're hinting towards.
Jerome born 150 years before the prophet was aware people were denying Jesus crucified even while the crucified person blood not even had time to dry "While the apostles were still surviving, while Christ's blood was still fresh in Judea, the Lord's body was asserted to be but a phantasm."
@@alonzoharris9049 You're confused about proof of a crucified Christ and that of a risen Christ. This guy should be pleased with any argument about the risen Christ that would be purely theologically based. Seemed to me the discussion was about the crucified Christ. The risen Christ is a separate discussion that proves nothing about the crucified Christ. That's gaslighting.
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I received a revelation in a cave from an angel that muhammad was a bengali living in pakistan.
Yes i know this is 1400 years after muhammad was born, but you got to be believe me bro because i am a prophet.
Sound silly? Exactly how we christians feel when you muslims say that we have to take the jesus in quran as more accurate, which ( quran ) came 600 years after Jesus was born.
@@djrocker007 please give me every single reported document that you have of the crucifixion
Its nice to see two humans being nice
I wont believe a book from same century wrote by the person I dont know,
I rather believe a word from a mad men from some cave that say he got it from the creator, even it hundreds of years later.
What a logic
100% their book is assumed accurate by them whilst all else is corrupted, the irony and the refusal to weigh facts amazes me
47:00 The 'Let the one without sin cast the first stone is paralleled by the 'Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones. Sorry, but you are wrong, Abdul.
That verse in the Bible was a later addition in the Middle ages lmao.... imagine basing your entire salvation on a book that anyone can edit and tamper with like wikipedia page lmao...
@@tahahagar7664 Source, please?
@@tahahagar7664 Hahaha wrong about the Middle Ages and do you think the Quran has gone unchanged? Buhahahaha! Did men write it down? You know, like idiots enter things into Wikipedia? Any writing must involve a human. Humans are humans and can and do evil things like edit Holy texts to their liking. I know all about the Quran and have looked at the earliest manuscripts. None are the same. Do you use the Hafs Quran? Do you know that Hafs was known as a lying POS? A serial liar recited the Quran most Muslims use and you talk shade on the Bible? Why have they found ZERO archeological evidence of people living in Mecca before the 8th century? Every construction site in Mecca starts with a dig iin search of evidence and NONE! Because Petra is the actual Mecca. No high mountains, parallel valleys or rivers and no evidence of the kind of trees that were listed in Mecca as described in the Quran. Petra has all of those features. Buhahahaha
@@tahahagar7664says your headcanon lol.
The Diatessaron, which is the very first Harmonized version of all four Gospels Consolidated into one, is one of the Oldest Christian writings outside of the Bible written in the late second century by Tatian contains The Woman in Adultery and the Original Ending to Mark. See why Church history is important?
I gotta say this Muslim is absolutely clueless.
Dear Bob how can I get early church documents and literature,,? Kindly advise
@Bob hope you can do a livestream with Mustafa and discuss Shia. You don't even need to debate him. You could just chat and ask questions
I'm shia , and I am waiting for this conversation
30:46 in. "You follow Paul. A MURDERER..." It is the most saddest thing when people don't actually listen to the words coming out of their own mouths. The Hypocrisy is a testament to THE ONE TRUE GOD YAHWEH. IN KING JESUS'S NAME I THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL. AMEN.
So the Shia brother dismisses 2nd century church fathers (who actually walked with the apostles) but has no problem appealing to hadiths that came centuries after Muhammad?
Interesting 🤔🤦🏿♂️
St Peter and St Paul are in complete agreement as to who and what Jesus Christ was and is, so, I fail to see why this Shia Muslim is trying to create some kind of artificial disagreement between them. Is he saying that Peter was a Muslim and Paul was a disbeliever, by preaching Trinitarian Christianity? If so, his argument for the validity of Islam is very weak. Bob won this debate hands down - enjoyed the discussion; thanks for uploading.
Show me the teachings of peter which are correctly attributed to him.
As I mentioned in the debate. St. Peter’s epistles are not his as attested by the majority of biblical scholars
Would like to commend this type of discussion as the standard to be set as the rational and proper way for interlocuters to present their different points of view. However, this appears to be a very uncommon occurrence at the speakers' corner mostly it ends up as a shouting match or melee and on one occasion a stabbing!
Congratulations Bob for having this debate as you have clearly identified the litmus test for deciding which belief is true simply on the evidence. It was clearly a slam dunk in favor of Christianity
It is time to dismantle de Quran, historically, theologically, and logically.
Love Bob immediately seeing the irony in Mr Shia using OT verses (Ps91 quoted by Satan to defend the Koranic Cult), to defend Mr Shia’s position here.. and Bob immediately refuting Mr Shia with logic. A good respectful debate nonetheless.
Jesus affirms what Satan quoted. So by that account Jesus is also defending the “Koranic cult”
Bob didn’t reply when informed him of that.
This idea that a man that resembles Jesus was crucified is the first I hear and it goes to show that u can go on with complete and total lies and sound believable. The comment Bob made regarding Satan who tells truths but deceives is very interesting and to me this type of deceiving is being displayed during this video and the person doing the deceiving is not Bob.
QURAN actually says jesus was saved and taken up to his lord.
@@samizakariya5155 That is why Christians would never believe that because our Bible says Jesus was crucified, died, was buried, and on the 3rd day he rose again. Our Bible says that Jesus died and saved us from sin he was not saved - he saved. And is sitting at the right hand of The Father. Jesus does not have "a Lord" because he is Lord. Jesus was taken to his father. Thanks be to our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. By the way, we like to spell Jesus with a CAPITAL "J" - we Christians do this because it shows a certain level of respect to our Savior, but its also just a respectful thing to do even if you are not a believer. Godspeed.
The first maryr Stephen saw Jesus standing at the right hand of the Father but I think He was standing because they were killing Stephen. Alonzo, the only way we'll know for sure is when we die. If you don't confess the Lord Jesus and that believe that God raised him from the dead, what you see may be very different from what we see. Romans 10:9,10.
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation.
According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.”
Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
1:00:05💎
God bless you bob
Wait!!!!!!!🤔 THEN THAT MEANS THAT IM A CHRISTIAN BECAUSE BECAUSE OF aLLAH!!!!!😀😃😄😁 THANK U aLLAH !!!!
It was common 2000 years ago for writings to be anonymous
In particular the Gospels being written at a time when Jesus was considered a heretic a criminal a trouble maker for the Romans and Jews so you can understand why they are anonymous
We have the following (for the crucifixion):
... The Roman Longilus (the one who thrust the spear into Jesus and got water). Hence, the spear or destiny is known as the Spear of Longilus. It is said that Longilus said, "truly this is the Son of God".
... We have eyewitnesses of the crucifixion - not only by Jesuss' friends and families - but also by Roman Soldiers.
... we have scriptural notices that say, "the great curtain between the Holies of Holies (where God resided) torn from top to bottom.
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I ask anyone, "if no one witnessed this, how did they know the curtain (between the Holies of Holies) did split in two.
... After Jesus was died, buried and resurrected, multiple people saw him (this was far before the internet, and or any other electronic capacity to transmit his likeliness). Was this mass hysteria or actual sightings of Jesus?
... Not only did eyewitnesses see Him (jesus) multiple non-christian historians wrote:
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That dead Carpenter (note the definitive word "that") that the Roman nailed to a cross existed. That = a definitive article - noting a specific person, not a general person.
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Even Greek historians noted "that or "the" dead carpenter - who the Romans killed on a cross". Again, note the definitive articles - not general.
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The Sun blackened, storm clouds formed, and the earth became dark - Note: for this to be written it must have been witnessed by someone and or others.
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Very well explained Bob thank for your hard your work and commitment in preaching Jesus Christ messages to muslims and visitors in the park so as the rest of the world tuning in, I pray to God to bless you with wisdoms ,courage, and give you the strength physicality and mentally
@ JC praying for you too my brother and thank you for work and dedication which able us to tune in and listen
Glory to Jesus
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation.
According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.”
Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
hey you seem knowledgeable ; can I ask you a question (I am Christian, but quite new) so when Jesus says only God is good abide by the LAW, wouldnt that mean cause Jesus hadnt died yet (and resurrected) that the Jewish LAW was still the only effective way to go to heaven?
@@mohammedwhylie9224 " why do you call me good"? It's a question that jesus asked and requires an answer. Jesus didn't say "don't call me good"
Great job Bob!!
Lowering Jesus Christ his name to express your thoughts of something you find crazy is blaspheming.
Exactly thank you for this why not him say the last prophet name Muhammad
He want to see his head intact. That's why!
I don’t mind saying for Muhammad’s sake. For my sake for Christ’s sake. I don’t believe in your understanding of not naming the lord in vain. That’s a concept which is completely absent in Islam. And we don’t believe that Jesus is THE LORD, as in God almighty.
@@Religiousstudies2000 doesn't matter the truth is that Jesus Christ is God Almighty. Reality won't change just because you believe in a false god that tolerate blaspheming.
I like this Muslim. He's respectful
He’s a Shia, they normally are more polite and humane than their Sunni rivals
Soooo, this guy is just going to ignore Bob's clear refutations, pretend it didn't happen and just move on to the next point toward a completely different subject? Hmmmmm, it's almost like I've seen this before but I can't quite put my finger on it. 🤔
Oh, that's right! It's EVERY SINGLE Islamic apologist he debates!
Bloodfire is so easily distracted, God bless him lol.
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation.
According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.”
Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
@@syedhasan5861 one cannot go raping people and claim to be Christians. If fact it is in islam who teaches you to behave in this manner in raping over and over again. Also the rags of menstruation that you claim the Bible states is way better than what your religion teaches by saying bite your fathers penis and lick the clit of allat. And you talk about filth. Your religion is demonic. Because you are so demonized the truth flew over your head. Also if you committed a sinful act and come to God with true repentence in your heart. God knows your true intent. If you truly repent, you will not go and do same sin again. Because if you do the same sin again then you actually repented by lip service and not truly with your heart. You in islam are allowed to do lip service repentance. Also if God forgive your sins of rape, you still have to make right with the law on earth by giving yourself up to the police for your crime. If you do not rectify your sin to the legal authorities then God will not forgive you. Because not only you have sinned in rape but you are also lying by not rectifying your crimes.
he is no longer blood fire
he is john or jonah
@Crisanto Ballenthe catholic catechism states for a catholic to go to heaven they must believe in the doctrine of the trinity, they must believe in the vicarious atonement, they must repent after they committed a sinful deed, they must do good works and must perform catholic rituals such as attending mass and confessionals. All humans are going to sin even after receiving God's grace after repentance that is why believing catholics confess their sins to their catholic priest on a weekly basis to first repent for the sins they have committed for that week and then ask for absolution from their catholic priest.
The evangelical christian belief states for a evangelical christian to go to heaven they must believe in the doctrine of the trinity , they must believe in the vicarious atonement and they must repent after they commit a sinful deed. Saved Not by Good Works To be clear, good works are bad when they are seen as the basis of salvation. A person is not saved by works but by God's grace through faith in Christ. The Apostle Paul explains: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. (Eph. 2:8-10) Works are not meritorious. Salvation is "not your own doing" and "not a result of works." Even the faith through which we receive salvation is a gracious gift from God. As fallen creatures, our best efforts are laced with sin.
To borrow from Francis Schaeffer, how many finite buckets of good works would it take to fill the infinite gulf that exists between God and us because of our sin? Good works provide no basis for boasting because they are utterly worthless to save. The only foundation for salvation is Christ. We are saved by His works, not ours. To be clear, good works are bad when they are seen as the basis of salvation. A person is not saved by works but by God's grace through faith in Christ. The Apostle Paul explains: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. (Eph. 2:8-10) Works are not meritorious. Salvation is "not your own doing" and "not a result of works." Even the faith through which we receive salvation is a gracious gift from God. As fallen creatures, our best efforts are laced with sin.
We are saved by His works, not ours.According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.” Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
What you believe and what you know are 2 different things!....
You can believe something to be true that's false (islam)
But if you know something to be true, you believe in something factual (Christ/Christianity)!
Christianity isn't factual. Do you have any evidence that the 4 gospels were written Mathew mark luke and john?
There is nothing factual or true about Christianity lmao
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Oh really, so you're either admitting that your pagan Isa/Esau the Levite isn't Jesus Christ, and the Injil never was our scripture, or, you're rejecting 5:46-47 as just one injil verse, and you're rejecting Isa if you believe Isa to be Jesus Christ, and if you reject a single prophet/messenger, just one, then you reject all, including your possessed false prophet!
Which is it!?! 😂 🤣 🤣
See abdool, the problem you all have is that your cult is dependant on our scripture and Christianity to be true, of not, your cult is false by default!
Whereas we dont have any reliance or need for your cult, because we can prove its got nothing to do with our God, our scripture, our Prophets, us, the Jews, Abraham!
You've got everything to lose, not us!
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@@tahahagar7664 History disagrees with you. How many witnesses did the Quran have?
@@chrisballen7851 yes a few things are historically accurate but all the claims about Jesus being god, healing the lame and blind and whoever was sick and all this supersticious stuff isnt...its literally the same what the Abdul do, its just stupid claims...
Guy bounces around scripture, hen pecking them out of the context that Jesus was crucified. The Bible shows no clear scripture that indicates that a false "Jesus" was put in his place. How would you argue the thieves on the cross? The one saw him as the Savior, and what did that "Jesus" tell him? Why would a fake "Jesus" say what he said after that? I highly doubt that a "sane" disciple would Jesus' place on the cross, especially when they all hid, and Peter denied knowing him, because he was protecting himself? So what, Islam dough boy, would you say to that? I think about the pain Jesus endured and the actions of the disciples. Some Muslims say Judas took his place. Wrong. Judas was dead the next day after he fingered Jesus. Judas repented and punished himself of what he did. Days after that, was Jesus crucified. Other Muslims say it was Thomas who took his place. Are you kidding me? Thomas was a coward and a doubter...and who observed Jesus' hands and side after the Resurrection? Thomas! So, two groups of Muslims are proved wrong by scripture. Like saying Peter died in Jesus' place! Wanna toss out any other names?
2 Peter 3:16
The difference with how the Bible was written as compared to the way the Quran was written is that the writers of the Bible (especially the Gospels) were inspired to write their OWN EXPERIENCES AND POINTS OF VIEW AND UNDERSTANDING. The fact that their accounts differ shows that they are not copycats, it just shows different points of view. The message is the same...Jesus was God who came in the flesh, who sacrificed himself for humanity in order to save them.
Your argument undermines your Bible and doesnt help it... So you admit the accounts in the bible are just some sort of journalism or heresay and what authors heared, saw etc.. from their own subjective prespective... why would you base your salvation on such a document when you can base you salvation on the literal verbatim OBJECTIVE ABSOLUTE words of your Creator?
Also werent all of the them inspired by the Holy Spirit? Why then would their accounts differ and contradict?
@@tahahagar7664 Which part of "INSPIRED" did you not understand in my comment? Please learn to read properly before making a hash of yourself. The Bible has the words of God but he also inspired people to write so we can have an understanding which is on our level. If he were to write it himself we would struggle to understand it. You mistake point of view to contradiction. If someone places a mirror between us we will not see it the same way. You will see the reflective side whereas I will see the rear unreflective side. My explanation of what I see does not change the fact that it is a mirror.
Your scripture claims that it is the verbatim objective and absolute words of your creator. What does he mean by this?...
18:83 They will ask thee of Dhu'l-Qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a remembrance of him.
84 Lo! We made him strong in the land and gave him unto every thing a road.
85 And he followed a road
86 Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
So what does your creator mean by the sun setting in a muddy spring?
@@tahahagar7664 loll from Moses (deutronomy 19 15) to Jesus(Mathew 18 16) and Paul (2corinthians 13 1) all required 2 or 3 witnesses for the narrative to stand, the Bible requires witnesses not just one man claiming to be a prophet but contradicting history without any witness for his revelations.
@@solascriptura1536 My Creator? Hes you creator too... It just says a man named Dhul Qarnain saw the sun set, something every human being sees every day...
@@servicemabunda3781 Can you name any prophet in history that taught the trinity or incarnation before Paul??
Where were the witnesses of Paul on the road to Damascus??
Why do you trust anything that comes out of Paul's mouth?
Can any Muslim answer … who wrote the Quran they hold in their hands 🤔
Ali ibn abi talib.
This guy really said “a lie is when you make a claim and the truth is the opposite of that”
so if you say it’s red and it’s green it’s a lie but if you say it’s red and it’s amber it’s not a lie? This guy’s moral standard is really in the mud and he doesn’t even know it. Because he genuinely thought that was a good point
52:36 resurrection
So Mustafa says that we have nothing of Peter's teaching, they are all gone, they are swallowed up, but this is false...what about the epistles of Peter? Even if we go only with what Peter taught in 1Peter1 Jesus suffered, shed his blood, and died for the forgiveness of sins.....and all this through crucifixion......1Peter 2: 24 “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”
As I explained in the debate those epistles by majority of biblical scholars are not written by St. Peter.
Matthew 26:53-54 debunks any of this guys misapplication of Psalm 91, he appeals to the same scholarship that affirms Jesus was crucified, and then appealed to some random Hadith or tafsir 600• years after Jesus. Who passed on those traditions of Jesus saying only 1 group of Christians will be saved?? This is all only a few minutes in. Lots of errors, inconsistency, and fallacies.
We do have the 'Gospel' of Peter... Mark was a follower of Peter and wrote down his teachings. Acts, written by Luke, also includes the teachings of Peter. Then there's the Didache...
Excellent. The Didache, simple, accurate, condensed representation of the New Testament teachings
I love how he kept asking for an eye witness, denying the eye witnesses presented on the basis that "it's not known they're authoritative", then cites allah as his eye witness when asked to present a muslim one lool... he appeals to gnostic gospels whose authors are absolutely not known and come from the 6th C when they support his demonic lie, then rejects the new testament gospels from >70A.D..... this was an absolute self own and decimation. i'm not sure how he doesn't see his stark hypocrisy and inconsistency
Why does this muhamedan keep forgetting to say peace be upon him when he speaks of Jesus?
Allah did not leave any key to the truth, he left more deception:
7:157 "Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper."
61:6 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"
First question: Where in the TORAH and GOSPELS do we read of an unlettered prophet?
Second question: Where in the Bible does Jesus give glad tidings of a messenger to come after him whose name shall be Ahmad (not Qutham ibn Abd Al-Lat)?
Bobs arguments
1. The oral teaching predating the gospels which the Gospel of Luke alludes to in the beginning of his gospel
2. The consensus of the gospels in the New Testament confirming the crucifixion.
3. Writings of the early church fathers such as Ignatius
4. Consensus of secular historians
5. Early pagan non Jewish historians
My refutation
1. All of those individuals are unknown, hence I won’t place my salvation in the hands of people who’s names I don’t even know
2. I’ve shown how gospel writers copy from each other and change parts of the accounts when the account doesn’t suite them. The example I gave where Mark/Mathew copy from one another word for word is as follows: in the gospel of Matthew we read “-let the reader understand- then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.” In the gospel of mark it says the exact same thing verbatim. An example where the gospel writers change wordings is as follows: we read in the gospel of mark “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone.” In the gospel of Matthew the negation is changed as we read the following “Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” The part where Jesus questions the man is gone and the part where Jesus asked the man why he calls him good and that God alone is purely good are all ever so slightly changed in the gospel of Mathew. Moreover the gospels have undoubtedly been corrupted after they were written as per John 8 and potentially Matthew 28:19 due to eusebius quoting the verse by only mentioning the son and not the other two components of the trinity. Also, no where do we read that the authors mention that Jesus gave them the authority to write about him.
3. The church fathers based their faith on the gospels which I’ve just proven to be vary shaky and they all came after 33 AD.
4. This part here was really disingenuous in my opinion. Because this is not a buffet where you pick and chose. If you deem secular historians as an authority you should no longer be a Christian. As it is true that the crucifixion of Jesus is verified historically (in the framework of the secular study of the history of religion) it is also true that those same historians negate the divinity of Christ and they negate the virgin birth as being ahistorical... so why pick and chose. The historical conclusion about Jesus is that he was a zealot who preached about the coming of apocalyptic events and that he died via crucifixion. No Christian believes all of that so again why pick and choose? Consistency is key.
5. Again all of those came after 33 AD so they were simply narrating what people were preaching it’s quite an insignificant point to mention in a debate which centres on who’s theology is true or not with regards to the crucifixion of Christ.
🤣🤣🤣🤣so funny, what is the meaning of ISA to start with
@@Vivi9737
It’s the arabisation of yeshua.
@@Religiousstudies2000 No Mustafa, Isa is Mohammad's invention.
@@Quackzine
Isa al thaqafi was a companion who was born before the prophet Muhammad. Many had the name isa before Islam. So that’s ahistorical.
I would like the sources that claim that John 8 is corrupt?
Bob's got the patience of Job 🙏
Respectful debate but fruitless for the muslim guy. Hopefully it will open other muslims eyes that watch this.
God bless
Took him all but 1 round to fall back on the dawa script 🙄
Did this Abdul say we can't trust the early sources i.e. the New Testament for the sayings and account of Jesus life? Is this Abdul serious? He's quoting a hadith which supposedly has the sayings of Jesus that came 800 years after the life of Jesus and we are suppose to take that quotation as authentic saying of Christ? I swear these Abduls are brain damaged beyond repair.
So these people who choose to live in the UK, so distant a place from there spiritual homeland, and presume to inform us that the religion we have held for over a thousand years is false.
@@alonzoharris9049 what colour offsprings came from Adam’s left shoulder who was condemned to hell and Allah doesn’t care?
@@alonzoharris9049
islame is not a race, you dummy
@@gregorytremain4086 Again , that's sunni false hadiths
@@History_Matters Hadiths are a part of Islam. Unless you are a Quranist only, Hadiths are linked with Islam.
@@History_Matters okay, Sahih isn’t sahih. Got it. So no Hadith is sahih.
Roman historian Tacitus trestifys to the crucifixion of christ , also Jewish historian Flavius Joseph's in his book Wars of the Jews testifies to the crucifixion of christ. Two historians who were not christians.
Eye witnesses 1 Mary maglerlin 2 Mary the mother of James and joses ,3 the apostle John.4 the .mother of zebedee sons , matt 27 v 55 to 56.
Good guy. I like him 👍
This Muslim guy has a double standard where he could not even provide evidence from his Quran in the first century of Islam. To give it up all to Allah is very indicated a total loss in this debate.
Debating with a Muslim is like debating with a fence post .
Dude C'mon mannnnn, this gets frustrating to watch after awhile. The guy is actually admits that christ was crucified. You can believe in whatever all you want, but if the historical facts prove christ died by crucifixion then it doesn't matter what you believe. The guy admitted it, everything else is waffle 🧇
Psalm 41:2 KJV kept him alive
اللهم صل على محمد وآل محمد و شيعتهم و العن أعدائهم و عجل فرجهم،
اللهم صل على شيعةعلي و العن أعدائهم،
1:16:00
It is unbelievable how the devil deceives these folks.
Only Jesus Saves!
JESUS SAID: UPON THIS ROCK.. It is JESUS/GOD who is the rock of our salvation. Not Peter. That's catholic nonsense.
"He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved." PSALM 62:2
The difference is in Petra (boulder or bedrock) or petros (pebble/Peter)
you are absolutely correct!! the false teaching of the catholic church is deceiving the whole world!!
Islam and Muslims like this hurt my head🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾 I don't even know why I even wasted almost 30 minutes or more on watching this guy for the second time. I do appreciate his respectfulness but in the end of the day we have to know when to call it quits and stop wasting our time with these people. I'm for sharing the gospel, plant the seed and let the Holy Spirit do His job( by the way, He can do a wayyyy better job than us anyways) this constant time after time with these lost souls is so wasteful in my opinion. There's handful of other people who are hungry for the authentic gospel.
Yeah .. he is just waffling. No real depth to what he is stating.
He is definitely a waste of time
@@otgenesis5046 no humility even when Bob sticks to the point of the debate and slam dunks on him multiple times
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation.
According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.”
Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
I don't know what you are talking about bro.
He maybe respectful be he is very sly.
Being nice is not virtuous - J Peterson. I knew a Muslim for a 6 month period who had the demeanor of a bishop but was indeed of tyrant origin.
@@boleslawkrzywousty7945 Short and sweet 👍Thanks for sharing.
@@alonzoharris9049 keep struggling stone lickers
@@alonzoharris9049 Yeah, consistent in ignoring Bobs points. Ignoring the fact Bob could use his own arguements to refute islam. There is no original manuscripts because uthman burnt them all. Thus you cannot garentee the quran has been accuratley preserved.
As far as evidence of the greatest incident in history, go to the best sources of those directly involved. Therefore, how about Pontius Pilates' letter/report to Ceasar ?
19:45
I would’ve shown him on my iPhone the image of the shroud of Turin
Actually Paul (Bolus) is mentioned in the quran as one of the 3 apostels according to the tafsirs. So the whole Peter argument is nonsense (beside also irrelevant to the topic)
Tafsir Al Qurtubi on surah 61:14
After all set and done, the muslims will go on to say they won the debate.
The Quran: O ye who believe! Be Allah's helpers, even as Jesus son of Mary said unto the disciples: Who are my helpers for Allah? They said: We are Allah's helpers. And a party of the Children of Israel believed, while a party disbelieved. Then We strengthened those who believed against their foe, and they became the uppermost.
61:14
Allah supported the righteous followers of Jesus to remain uppermost. Historically these are followers who affirm Jesus’s death, deity, and resurrection.
This Muslim guy keeps appealing to Peter and his belief in Peter etc and yet he denies that Peter was guided to become uppermost since his claim is Peters writings are not with us today. He says that Paul and others actually became uppermost.
So he has a dilemma. Either Allah lied and didn’t guide the true followers to become uppermost, or Allah is too impotent to do what he promised. Either way he’s left with a god that lies or a god that is impotent.
Allah the impotent, not even his Divine birds can fulfil their purpose.
I go with impotent...hence he created a sex cult for a religion
@@solascriptura1536 and Allah gave Muhammad a magical meal instead of just saying “be” to try and fix Muhammad’s impotence.
The Twelver Shia always have the upper hand in debates ✋
*_اللهم صل على محمد وآل محمد وعجل فرجهم_*
@mysotiras 015 nope
Bob's argument about trinitarians being superior to Unitarians across history as contradicting the Quran , was quickly smashed by the Shia brother through the Shia concept of "The Return" , which will happen before Judgement day
الرّجعة
I'm waiting the debate to reach Islam and the shia theology . Bob has almost nothing against us . He is only able to confront sunnis , not shia .
@@History_Matters The problem my friend is not Sunnis or Shias. The problem is Mohammad. It's an eternal problem for Islam. Sunnis and Shia issue is secondary.
@@EAD1142 You know the prophet from sunni narrative not shia
We have our own books 📚 that portray a different image of the prophet
@@History_Matters did Allah deceive the Sunnis?
@@History_Matters Your name is ironic
Muslim shuffle 🔀 Bob keep up the good work! I’m so impressed how you preach the gospel😎it’s 🎯🎯🎯perfect uncovering the lies of Satan as you are referring, how Islam twist the gospel like Satan it’s interesting!
And Muhammad never killed or sinned, brother you are so lost man, you need to come to Christ for the real truth!
This guy: Remember guys. Allah is not a liar, but only if liar doesn't mean liar
It is not that earlier generations did not believe in the Trinity, earlier generations did not get word of God thru Jesus
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When you debate Bob, you become his student.
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Another Muslim trying to bash the square peg of his ideology into the round hole of the evidence