Scatpack 180 degree thermostat driving impressions with factory tune.
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2018
- Just driving with my 2018 scatpack with a high horse racing 180 degree thermostat with the factory tune. Showing coolant, and oil temps normal driving and going up a mountain.
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My 300 srt8 came with one and I have had no issues with mines. I get garbage gas milage in the city because my foot is heavy. One of the best mods u can do. Keep them videos coming. I was born and raised in the MAJIC CITY.
ST Productions hell I was born in New Orleans. Raised half there and half in the Ham. Lol. And thanks man!!
Good mod, especially in high heat areas. It'll keep the engine temperatures low, especially at the track. While you won't see what it does stock (210-217 on average) you won't get the most out of it unless you tune or find a way to change the fan settings. Mine is pegged at 185, even in the heat. When Driving, I'm at 179-183. Fans rarely come on, so no issue there, but I'm sure they kick on here and there to keep it pegged at that 185.
Good video sir i appreciate you doing this! I've been wanting to do this to my jeep but didn't want to buy a tuner. This helped out a lot! Keep up the good work!
I just bought a 2013 charger SRT8 what's a few mods done to it. And it had a 180 but it was sticking open. Just replaced it with another 180. And drive it and cycled the ignition and the check engine light went off. It's very popular in almost all hemi powered vehicles especially later models. I believe that a combination of the high temperature thermostat and the 5w20 oil in the 5.7 is a contributing factor to the lifter failure issues.alomg with low volume oil pumping and bad camshaft hardening.
I live in Birmingham and see this car all the time, I flash my lights or bounce mine off the two step when I see you as a fellow mopar owner. Dark grey grand Cherokee wk1 with a 6.4L swap. RWD limited with a 6.4 where all the srt8 grand cherokees are AWD
I have a 2020 hellcat now. Somebody that lives in Birmingham locally did buy the car so it is still around
A video filmed fours year ago. Still useful for today. Thanks man.
Hell yeah!! Glad it’s still helpful!
I like this thermostat sits around 185-190..... ill my 180 thermostats ive tried run around 190-195.... imma try out this hhp thermostat.... thank you for the video!
I just installed a 190° thermostat yesterday. Maybe I will make a video. It is in a 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 5.7 liter Hemi.P. S. I used ultra copper Permatex around the thermostat housing on the pump side. I have to wait until around 1:00 pm to add coolant. I used it in the round indentation where the thermostat seats and around the bolts holes and thermostat on the pump side. I have used the Ultra Copper Permatex before on water pump and housing on a 1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais 5.0 V8, and a 1996 Ford Explorer 4.0 V6 Cologne engine water pump. I had no leaks on either in the time I owned and operated each vehicle. I think the thermostat was a 185 ° or 190 ° on the Oldsmobile and it never over heated n the four years I owned it. Nor did the Explorer in the 2-3 years I owned it. Both I had while living in Arizona. The 190° thermostat that I installed in the Jeep is a Duralast made in Israel from AutoZone.
I have a 5.7 and if I run the car hard with sport mode on I reach 230 the dealership thermostat is 192 I’m going to try this man your car sound good.
For all who don’t know, the thermostat sets the floor of the ECT , not the ceiling. Spirited driving and long time traffic will still see high temps. It’s a great mod , once you tune for it. 180 is fine , I have my fans set at 193 , so my temps never climb over 195. If your not tuned for it , and you drive it hard , it will still climb as high as the factory fans are set.
Ronan 978 I sat and idled for 20 min in 95 degree heat yesterday afternoon and temps never got to what it did with factory thermostat. Only got up to 203 and varied from 198 to 203. Yes that is higher than 180 like you state it will do but still not as high as factory. While i do agree with you on needing a tune to get the most out of it i am still getting good results from just a thermostat change with no tune update. I’m just telling people what my experience is doing this on two different scatpacks. All this being said as I stated as soon as a tuning option becomes available for the 18’s I will be looking into it. Thank you for your comment and knowledge in this. I really do appreciate your insight.
Project 392 no worries brother!! Keep on doing your thing! Personally I like your reviews and that you keep it honest. You got a sub from me:)
Ronan 978 Thanks man! I try to be as real as I can about stuff.
I beat the absolute snot out of mine yesterday with 83 degree weather, never passed 183, 60 miles, 25 of highway with lights, and 35 with stop and go traffic
My 14 grand Cherokee 5.7 has been running hot...I can’t see the actual coolant temp but the needle keeps fluctuating also the oil temp which I can see digitally has been up to the 240s. I have changed the thermostat oem(203) water pump coolant temp sensor and the radiator as well. I still have this issue. Dealership said it’s normal but only started after they changed my transmission cooler under warranty.
you didn't want to bring it into the dealer to have them reprogram your computer to adjust for the thermostat ? maybe these engines need bigger radiators
I just installed a 190° thermostat yesterday. Maybe I will make a video. It is in a 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 5.7 liter Hemi.
That was a great video I'm going to get one of them Thanks
Frank Angiolo thanks man!!
I had a 203 thermo, I was running 208-212. I put a 180 thermo I running 208 idling, when I push it goes down to 190. So there’s def improvement
My srt 392 runs cold and had not changed the thermostat it runs at 175 hot nd cold weather
I put a 180 in my rango and I been burning them 180 out idk why the thermostat keep breaking I like the 180 better then 203 and keep the defrost system fan on to get the heat out
When you add the hellcat air box and full front tubing, you will see greatness. 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
J. Williams I hope so man. One thing I know is that I defiantly won’t hurt anything.
Really is it a difference?
There was a difference in intake air temp while driving and a big difference in heat soak recovery from a 30+ sec stop. After stopping at a red light with the factory airbox it would stay higher than normal intake temps for a couple miles before they came down. With the hellcat air box they come back down by the time you get up to speed.
My 2017 ram has one, factory tune and its a good difference.
Yeah people complain and say it’s not worth it because if you sit in traffic for a long period of time it goes back to near stock temperatures but you’re not exactly worried about the best engine performance when you’re sitting in traffic either. Also once you start moving above 20 or 30 miles an hour again it comes back down to the 180 190 range pretty quickly
I threw a code in my 2020 scat for low engine temperature. It wont go away. Its winter now and going back to stock
Was it faster?
Did you have a cold air intake at the time of this video?
GPtwo hellcat Lower box.
Hey I'm in Birmingham AL I'm considering a 160 degree thermostat mod just curious did you see any problems with you 180 at any point?
Derrick Goodwin Not with the 180. I feel like a 160 would be too low. It’s not gonna serve you any better than a 180 and without a tune you’re sure to get a check engine light.
Without the 180 installed and no tune did you ever see any issues. I was thinking of installing one but have heard so many opinions saying don't do it unless you get a tune.
I assume you meant with the thermostat and without the tune. With just a thermostat before I got the tune I didn’t have any problems.
If you drive it in sport mode it will get warmer...in the city it will get to 210f+ on stop and go traffic
Doesn’t matter what mode you are in. If you are in stop and go traffic the temps will go up to stock temps if you don’t change the fan settings. I have said that multiple times. Takes me about 15 to 30 mins In traffic before my temps get up there the first time and then once they get there they will float in the factory temperature range until you get up to highway speed’s again. The modes just change throttle response and transmission shift points, nothing to make it run hotter.
How was the intake temp before the thermostat?
Charles Turcotte seemed to be a few degrees lower after the 180 was installed. But at the least it was the same intake temps.
Did it ever throw a code in cooler weather?
ISEE YOU nope. It on this car of the 2016 scat I owned.
Are you from alabama and if so can you respond if like to send you a couple T shirts an maybe talk with you some thank you.
Do our cooling fans run the whole time
If the AC pump is running the low side fan will stay on low.
bro i’m planning on buying the mishimoto racing 180 thermostat for my RT I shouldn’t get any che k engine lights right??
Deadpool_345-Hemi A kit of people run a 180 stat with no lights. If you aren’t in a colder climate than it shouldn’t be an issue. Me careful with mishimoto there have been a lot of people getting failed new stats from them. They stuck closed and over heated the engine. I would look at HHP house brand 180 (motrad) or another brand.
Knight's Garage yeah i also just saw tons of bad reviews about it fuck! let me check them out brotha do you have the link??
Do u have a pt# or is it a mishimoto, moto rad,mmx
Hey i have a link to it in my install video of the thermostat. here it is www.highhorseperformance.com/HHP_180_Degree_Thermostat_10183_p/10183-usps.htm
Do you have a tazer installed? I did on my 2016 scat pack, and actived the the SRT menu options. My fonts and bottom menu icons dont look like yours? Is there anything special through the tazer you did to unlock that more agressive font/ menu style?
MLance17 yes I have the tazer. Dodge updated the UI of the Uconnect system in 2017. Thats why it looks different than your 2016.
Project 392 any way for me to upgrade to the newer 2017 version??
MLance17 I don’t know other than buying a Uconnect unit from a 2017 car
Project 392 do you think a uconnect softwear update would work? Or would it be only exclusive to 2017 and up?
MLance17 as far as I know it’s exclusive.
holy cow! look at that intake temp!
ChargeD90 it’s better now just with lowering the under hood temps. Hellcat airbox mod next weekend.
Project 392 very exciting! I'll keep a look out for the next video!
Project 392 looking forward to that video. I'm actually scared to remove the bumper on my car.
triton302 It doesn’t seem like it’s going to be that difficult on this car. we shall see.
Got a question when the cars at a red light it goes to 210 205 like the factory is that normal
If you have an adjusted your Fan settings it is.
@@KnightsGarage no tune on the car factory
@@KnightsGarage I installed the hole 12 clock position I made sure everything is secure
@@brandonUwanawich954 yeah that’s right. When it starts getting hot outside it’s gonna do that when sitting still it’s gonna go back up to very near or all the way to the factory set point but once you start driving on the road it should drop back down to about 190 or so.
Is the oil pressure good at 60??
Normal oil pressure. Thermostat had no effect on that.
I have a 180 on my hellcat it’s tuned and all but my degrees climb up to 224 driving normal and stopped at lights gets to 226 and the fans are spinning like crazy any suggestions?
The weathers like at 67-78 temps
@@george6487 something is wrong with the thermostat you have in there, air still trapped in the system and/or the tuner didn’t tune the fans correctly.
@@KnightsGarage thx
Lucky you guy, at least yours is maintaining temps around 200 Deg. I Wish Mine was able to do that W/out a Tune.... I Installed 180 Tstats in My 5.7 Magnum and My Temps Were Still Going Over 210 Deg. Took it Out Put in 160 Tstat, Temps Still Going Over 212 Deg.... ??
If it’s 90° outside or more or you are driving slow or just sitting idle doesn’t matter what thermostat you have in there that’s below the factory fan on setting it’s going to get up to the temperature that the factory fan on setting allows.
The temperature of a thermostat is simply the temperature at which it begins to open. It is open it is open. If the engine fan is it from the factory not to come on until 195° for low side and 205 for a side you’ll still get higher running temperatures unless you’re driving at highway speeds where it’s forcing air through the radiator.
@@KnightsGarage Right., But I Noticed Yours Stayed Around 200 Deg. I didn't even get that.... Did you change yours during the Cooler Season Weather?
@@nedunonnyp704 You can see in the video on the screen it says it’s 84° outside. Driving down the road in 80 or 90° temperatures it mostly stayed around 195 to 200. If I got into traffic I would see temperatures as high as 220 but you see that factory as well. Maybe the 57 generates more heat than the 64 or the differences in the coolant passages causes this for you I don’t know.
I like the gage cluster etc on your uconnect I have a Taser and I don't have that set up.......... where did you get that set up...... I also plan on getting a 180o stat........ right now my charger Scat is in getting HP Tuner install.......... Great video
JP Smith If you have all the SRT set and SRT modes enabled it is the performance pages
JP Smith I want to get cat deletes and a tune beginning of next year. I don’t think anyone is even doing the 2018s yet.
Thanks I'll check my settings again on the Tazer👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I did mine yesterday with a tune, one thing I noticed is my oil and coolant both were 179,185, I had an extra 4 psi oil pressure , and at WOT it was an alarming increase of 12 psi. My lifter that knocked,no longer knocks so i guess ...win ??🤨
MR Hyde ONO Don’t know how a tune affected your oil pressure but I guess that’s good news your Lifter stopped making noise
@@KnightsGarage the lower temps did colder oil than normal. 25 degrees colder to be precise
MR Hyde ONO I guess I never really paid attention to my oil pressure
@@KnightsGarage I set my fans to a higher temp so my oil gets to 187 and now it's only a 10 degree difference, and a 3 psi difference, still better than stock temps lol haven't really driven it in hot weather yet to notice any real benefits but so far the car is happier
How much they charge to tune it
There a link for the part
Dylan .M I have a link in the description of the install video.
How’s it doing now ?
Don’t know now. This was over three years ago. Did fine for almost a year before I tuned it. Also did fine in my stock 2020 hellcat I had.
Nice greetings from Bavaria (germany) :)
I´ve bought an 180°F/82°C Thermostat for my 2006 Dodge Charger R/T Daytona, too....With the premission to get the Engine Temperature that little bit lower, especially at the combustion chambers that the issue & danger of the dropping valve seats would be a little bit lower. Don´t know how it is about that issue at later HEMI´s but especially at the 2006-2008 Cars it´s possible. But i see more and more HEMI´s and also Viper Engines and more Chrysler Engines with that issue. I think Chrysler was using to wide bore diameters for the Valve Seats at the most of the engines. If they had the bores in the heads a little bit smaller, or even larger valve seat rings that was the best, but if you´ve a running engine i think it´s not the nicest option to dissasamble it, give the heads with all seats in it to the machine shop to get larger rings or something else like that. The valve seat rings mustbe cooled down before they go presed into the bore holes for it in the heads. It here the possibility that chrysler didn´t made that, or even that they use to small rings for the bores, that´s the most possible answer i think. But even to do something against that issue, without the option of dissasable a running engine with no dropped valve seats to get larger valve seat rings at the machine shop, i´ve choosen the 180° Thermostat. I really hope that this makes the difference of running the engine that little bit cooler that the danger of the dropping valve seats is a lot lower. But don´t know yet. It was very very interesting if this is an good option against that. or even if people out there what has knowledge about that, if these make that difference.
I think that we know about the GEN III HEMIS of the years 2004-2008 with dropping valve seats is only for this engines because these are the most on the roads for years. The younger ones become more knowledge about that in the next years i think. But i saw some Motor/Machine shops dissasambling HEMIS an other Chrysler Engines what made problems, and there it was; Mostly it was a, ore even more dropped valve seats. Now i hope the 180° Thermostat makes that difference....What do you think about?
But if i had a VVT HEMI, or even a HEMI that do a lot of idle time, i would buy a Motor Oil Pump with the option of a 10% higher oil pressure. Because especially at the VVT´s with a lot of idle time is the risk a lot higher to get the issue known under "Hemi tick"...A grinded down camshaft after roller lifters failures. The needle bearings of these Roller lifters fall in pieces and then they grind at the camshaft until the engine gets "Engine missfire"... Also a common issue what could be a little bit lower to get it when you´re using a Motor Oil Pump with more oil pressure, like the one from Melling with a optional stronger coil spring that keeps the pressure 10% higher. What´s especially nice when the engine idle, when the Oilpressure is low. I´m thinking about to do that however the non VVT´s aren´t the most ones from the HEMI´s with that issue. I think it´s even better when you´ve the chance to do something against the common issues of an engine, when you do that. It´s even the same, every engine of every make has common issues. Still other ones, but there isn´t any out there what has no common issues. And these ones of the HEMI´s are fixable i think. Ok, that about the dropping valve seats is a bad thing, but when i listen about all the other Chrysler Engine series with dropping valve seats it isn´t a hemi specific issue. The 180° Thermostat could make the difference, I HOPE. But if you know other things to bring the heat away from the combustion chamber, just tell me please. Because i think it´s not done with only that thermostat. One option is to get freeer flowing exhaust systems, or even no cats ;) That bring the heat away from the combustion chamber a lot more. But it´s the heat directly above the combustion chamber, at the Cylinder Heads... And so i was also looking for Water Pumps with more coolant flow, but didn´t find anyone until this time. If i could buy a Water Pump with more coolant water flow, that would i do because that could really make a big difference with the 180° Thermostat....
Nice greetings from Bavaria,
Till
What was the average temp before the swap?
Pete Morales coolant 208 to 215 normally. In traffic I’ve seen 223 before
Project 392 I see similar on mine, sorry I typed before the end of the vid. Thanks for posting, definitely looking into!
What purpose dose this Serve.?
Bearded Cat cooler temps are always a good idea. Lessens the chance of detonation which gives the computer the opportunity to give a little more trimming which could mean more power, keeps Under hood temps down which lowers you intake are temps which is great also. To really get full benefit you would have to get a tune but it is still doing good for my and I have cat deletes now also and still no tune. Tune is next though..
180 two holes drilled too will help you alot in heavy traffic
So you can drop a 180 stat in and not have to change fan settings?
Justin Gulbronson yes but only gain partial Benefit from it. My temp stay close to 185 about 90% of the time. But if you sit in traffic for a long time or drive it speeds lower than about 40 mph for a while like through neighborhoods and such they will creep back up near stock temperatures.
Wouldnt you have to have a tune? I have one on my 2011 charger r/t and I had to adjustment and set my electric fan speed with a tuner?
Ronald Domino to get full Benefit you would need a tune but as stated in the video and then several comments in the comment section the temperature never rose above about 185 to 190 while driving for me. Even sitting at red lights for two or three minutes at a time isn’t enough for the temperature to really creep up as long as you can get up to at least 50 miles an hour for a couple minutes afterwards the temperature will remain low. So you can get the benefits of the lower thermostat without the tune. The only time the temperature creeps up is if you spend a lot of time at speeds below 30 miles an hour like cruising through neighborhoods (noticed this while me and my wife was looking at houses in the car) Or if you are in traffic for a long period of time took almost 20 minutes for me in 90° temperatures for it to get up to stock coolant temperatures. Then as soon as it opens back up and I got up to highway speed within about 3 miles it was back down to 188 range.
@@KnightsGarage ahhh I see what you mean I know my 2011 the fan kicks on high at 181 degrees but you're fan probably doesnt which is fine but I think that's the benefit of the tune.
interesting how oil temp is higher than coolant temp
it has to be .. because how is it going to be cooled if coolant was hotter than the oil? it would be warming up the car. not cooling it :P think about it for a second
Itr 1244: hottest parts of engine are: exhaust valve-not much oil on it, exhaust manifold-no oil,head-much of oil, lower side of pistons-much of oil, all other parts are on lower temperature, so much of overheating can came from head and pistons, head is cooled by coolant , that is closer to hotter parts than oil, so, pistons can make oil to hot, oil working temperatures are between 85-95 deg of c but it depends of oil number 20/30/40/50-second part (first is winter time number0/5/10), and this car is not some super high power , and conditions in video are low power level so there are no reasons for oil to be hotter than coolant, all other parts coools down oil tem and if is normaly to have oil near boiling temp, all cars would have oil cooler, not just cars intended for fast /heavy load/drive, so try to think a little wider to see whole picture, take a minute or more, think more oil cooler is smaller than coolant cooler, so there are not much of temperature in oil to be lowered down even in cars that has oil cooler
Did you ever get a check engine light?
I did not on either car I did this to.
@@KnightsGarage and you never got it tuned? I’m asking because I’m thinking of doing mine. I have a 2018 Scat but I see folks saying if you don’t tune it you won’t get the real 180 because of the fans
@@MikulakR the one this video is on I think I eventually got it tuned if this is my 2018 Scat but I ran it for a good year and a half without a teen and no issues. The temps only get up to the stock operating temp if you’re in heavy traffic or sit idling for a long time and that will be because of the fan settings not being changed my hellcat that I put the 180° thermostat in. I never had it tuned and it acted the same that the scat pack did most of the time the temps were around 185 - 195 according to the gauge on the dash
@@KnightsGarage ok cool. Thanks for getting back to me and giving me this info I shall put my order in for mine. Did you ever change the throttlebody?
@@MikulakR yes, I have a few videos comparing the MMX ported to the fast man ported throttlebody. Spoiler the fastman throttle body is far superior.
A good 180 thermo will never get over 190.
Has anyone done the swap that has a manual transmission?
use 160 thermostat its 100 times better than 180
Have you looked into the 160 deg.thermostat?
Tom M no, too low for my liking.
@@KnightsGarage I've used them on carbureted engines but,not on fuel injected ones. I was thinking about installing the 180 thermostat on my 17 challenger with the 5.7.
Didn't the EPA/Gov't force the cars to run hotter to lower emissions? 😝
So its safe to run a 180 thermostat on a stock tune no fan settings?
Whoa Weezy I would say If you want your car to run cooler 90% of the time and don’t want a tune, I would say yes. I ran my 2016 scat pack for a year with the factory tune and a 180° thermostat. I ran my current 2018 Skippack for a few months seems that up no issues if you want your car to run cooler 90% of the time and don’t want a tune, I would say yes. I ran my 2016 scat pack for a year with the factory tune and a 180° thermostat. I ran my current 2018 scat pack for a few months same set up before tune, no issues.
@@KnightsGarage great beacuse I have 180 thermostat I'm looking to install on my 2016 rt road and track also plan on doing the 6.4 camshaft swap mod soon
I did it. 2 weeks later my check engine light came on
KB w I think this may have more to do with climate than anything. If your car doesn’t warm up to a certain temperature within a certain amount of time it throws the check engine light. I drove around for months with no check engine light before I got a tune.
@@KnightsGarage yeah, it's been about 30-40 degrees the past month. I'm gonna leave it on for now. It does run better. I'm just worried it might improvise fuel and ruin my catalytic or somethan like that
Kevin Bronnbauer Well when it is running cooler it will throw more fuel on but mostly that will happen when it is in warm up mode before it gets to like 130 or something close to that. I would not think there would be enough extra fuel during normal operation to mess up a catalytic converter and if the catalytic converter starts to get too hot there is protection built into the stock tune so you would get a flashing check engine light if that began to happen.
@@KnightsGarage so how would I get the engine light off? I'm assuming a tune?
Kevin Bronnbauer You can clear a check engine light with the tuner itself I don’t have the car anymore so I can’t show you in a video. But if you have very cold temperatures outside it may come back on.