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  • čas přidán 30. 06. 2018
  • All the new kids know Sundown, all the old school guys remember Orion and their HCCA amps way back to the mid 1980's. Well, over the years, Orion has changed owners, but kept the red HCCA amps as their top performers. Today we'll compare a $880 Sundown SCV-3000D to a $700 Orion HCCA 3000.1DSPLX. Do you have your chips on red or black?
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  • @wal
    @wal  Před 6 lety +40

    Korean 3-3.5kW Amp Comparison Playlist: czcams.com/users/playlist?list...
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    • @johnalenwork53
      @johnalenwork53 Před 6 lety

      BigDWiz ORION FAR WIN

    • @lambertleigh2452
      @lambertleigh2452 Před 6 lety

      Wow....thanks for the video...

    • @albertopompilio1
      @albertopompilio1 Před 6 lety +1

      I'm one of ur Old Skool Fans and had 5 (still have 3) orion 2250's from '93 powered with 4 6 Volt NiCad 280 Amp CN Rail batteries. The dynamic range of those amps were second to only maybe PPI.
      Even though concept guys sold out years ago it is still following the core concept of Very Under Ratings.
      To get 2000 watts on a Class A/B and NOT melt the car's harness was almost impossible.
      Nowadays pulling 890 Amps from 1 amp!?!
      OMG!!!
      Glad I convinced my kids' friend to go with Orion 1500. You really cannot beat it then or now.

    • @Citydrifter
      @Citydrifter Před 6 lety

      Orion for the win! Love the HCCA line

    • @yotamonster
      @yotamonster Před 6 lety

      BigDWiz why dont these new power house amps have a lot of heat sink like the old school amps had?

  • @OrionCarAudioOfficial
    @OrionCarAudioOfficial Před 6 lety +726

    WE CAME BACK STRONGER AND LOUDER!!!
    Our goal is to continuously deliver high-quality products that meet or exceed the expectations of our customers!
    We've read some of your comments and we'll take your suggestions into consideration! We're working really hard to make the best car audio products :)
    Thanks BigDWiz for the video!

    • @TurboSound1983
      @TurboSound1983 Před 6 lety +19

      We need this Amp in Germany!!

    • @barthalamulelivingston357
      @barthalamulelivingston357 Před 6 lety +27

      ORION kicks ass.. underrated by far..
      I went PPI back in the 90's
      ill look at ORION NOW!
      thank you Big D

    • @vettonator
      @vettonator Před 6 lety +24

      You guys knocked it out of the park on this one. Asside from the brute continuous power, I love the fact that it puts out so much more in dynamic power so that the initial impact or attack of a punchy bass track doesn't get clipped the way most other class d amps do when they approach their max continuous output.

    • @the_slow_sti
      @the_slow_sti Před 6 lety +18

      Good on your guys for keeping the old school power ratings with new school features and price points. I'm definitely looking your way for my upcoming builds!

    • @bobsyouruncle8052
      @bobsyouruncle8052 Před 6 lety +8

      im ready to be a sponsored build i been in car audio for almost 30 yrs putting a sq set up in car going to be my biggest build ever come on Orion even paint name down side of car

  • @rowboyto156
    @rowboyto156 Před 6 lety +86

    i love that orion is still making quality equipment and not milking the name and overcharging you for it. $650-700 for a 4800 certified, 7600 dynamic watt amp is insane. thank you new owners of orion and bigdwiz for the content

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +19

      It sure seems to be a great value

    • @OrionCarAudioOfficial
      @OrionCarAudioOfficial Před 6 lety +16

      Thank you! :)

    • @brandonjohannsen1893
      @brandonjohannsen1893 Před 5 lety +9

      They did sell out and went to China but they soon realised the market changes and there name wasnt what it used to be. They were very smart about listening to the community and giving us what we want "high quality" equipment. I've always loved orion and it was a dark time for them not too long ago.

    • @DjR3aper
      @DjR3aper Před 2 lety +1

      Now they $1000 and unavailble

  • @24-7flounderproblem
    @24-7flounderproblem Před 6 lety +183

    Orion just sold a few amps.....😮🙈🙉🙊THANKYOU BIG D👍👍👍🤘✌

    • @elsey1976
      @elsey1976 Před 6 lety +5

      Michael Day THAT made my decision final!

    • @jasonborn9394
      @jasonborn9394 Před 5 lety +1

      ed elsey same here.

    • @tonydarby9236
      @tonydarby9236 Před 4 lety

      SAme

    • @glencalhoun9544
      @glencalhoun9544 Před 3 lety +1

      Damn right they did & still selling them off this vid 2 yrs later!!! This is the best add they ever had!!! I'm betting its close the the most powerful amp shown in that price layout and about the cheapest too!!! If someone bought one of the other brands after seeing this they are simply fan boys and don't care they arent getting as much power. Lol.

  • @johnsneen424
    @johnsneen424 Před 6 lety +98

    Holy snikes!!!! Orion is killing it !!! Had big faith in DC, but WOW , Orion is a huge sleeper in the red dress!! Orion is defetinly going 2 get my business. Thanks Big D, your the only guy I watch for old and new school car audio!! Keep up the great vids Big D!!! Much love from Minnesota!! ✌

    • @666hobart
      @666hobart Před 6 lety +6

      Those hcca's have been sleepers for a long time

    • @Rononeil82
      @Rononeil82 Před 6 lety +1

      Little Red Corvette

    • @MrJaman0083
      @MrJaman0083 Před 6 lety +6

      Never was a sleeper, you were the only one asleep!

    • @blech71
      @blech71 Před 5 lety +2

      DNA Tech remember those rich guys with the gold plated Orion’s with their names engraved in them? Holy geebus what a fun time for car audio

    • @chrisbolle6771
      @chrisbolle6771 Před 5 lety

      Very informative.. I was looking for a budget build to bring me back into the game and picked up some team Fi 15s.. I think I have a good idea on what shade of red I'll be giving a try.. never had Orion back in the day, never could afford them and if you still have the original HCCA 225 for not selling them.. thanks big D

  • @freestyle8383
    @freestyle8383 Před 6 lety +74

    Orion should flee the country to avoid Murder charges..

    • @jrockaz548
      @jrockaz548 Před 3 lety +10

      Lol as long as it's the hcca or xtr model cobalt n ztreet are crap

    • @long-range-eliminator
      @long-range-eliminator Před 2 lety +6

      They use to be king

    • @mrbrowz1000101
      @mrbrowz1000101 Před 2 lety +8

      @@long-range-eliminator Damn sure were! Orion, HiFonics, Zapco, Lanzar, Fosgate, Rodek...some good ole days. And they were super efficient too; ride around and beat all day and they wouldn't dare get hot on some Pyramid Super Blues and house subs lol.

    • @terranwallace7528
      @terranwallace7528 Před rokem +2

      Exactly

    • @quintinsanders2284
      @quintinsanders2284 Před rokem +1

      @@mrbrowz1000101 you got that dead on the money!😁😁

  • @chrisjones6165
    @chrisjones6165 Před 6 lety +68

    I called Orion from the beginning. They'll be getting my money for my new 5k soon

    • @jamesalexander5847
      @jamesalexander5847 Před 6 lety +4

      chris jones same here... Orion has been slaying the competition from day 1.

    • @craigshelhammer5683
      @craigshelhammer5683 Před 6 lety +1

      Yep..knew theyd kill.

    • @robland6118
      @robland6118 Před 6 lety +4

      I knew it would be blown away also. I also said it from the beginning as u did, but I never imagined it would put out that much power. I just laughed when some of these guys were saying the sundown was going to come out on top. I knew better. That Orion is a straight beast.

    • @sHoRtBuSseR
      @sHoRtBuSseR Před 6 lety +9

      chris jones 5k? Judging from this video you might be getting a 12k 👌👌

    • @chrisjones6165
      @chrisjones6165 Před 6 lety +1

      Dylan Houser lol. I'm thinking ahead for box rise and room to spare

  • @scottsmith4469
    @scottsmith4469 Před 6 lety +20

    Orion just staying true to its history of monster power. Great video Big D dropping this knowledge on us common folks. I love it.

  • @alphaomega8373
    @alphaomega8373 Před 6 lety +78

    Orion XTR and HCCA have always been top tier. People just like to hate on them.

    • @ForzaNewbie
      @ForzaNewbie Před 6 lety +1

      Alpha Omega I have the xtr 800.4 and it beats my ssa mids to its pulp

    • @carter8766
      @carter8766 Před 6 lety +7

      Can't get any better ratings at 12.6 volts nowhere else but Orion.. love my xtr1500dz

    • @staples4335
      @staples4335 Před 6 lety +2

      Love my XTR2200.1

    • @ricardovalenzuela8809
      @ricardovalenzuela8809 Před 6 lety +1

      I have the XTR4000.1 and its just a true beast, have it set a quarter of the volume up and its insane how much it pounds my 12" ZV4, trully amazing power. Orion has and always will be the best.

    • @alphaomega8373
      @alphaomega8373 Před 6 lety

      I'm Rocking two Orion 1200.4s and a 2500.1d. It all I need just need to get the electric right without spending another grand.
      A 270 alt and two D6500 xs powers arent enough.

  • @robland6118
    @robland6118 Před 6 lety +16

    OMG!!!! That's all I can say. Orion sales just went through the damn roof man. I knew it would be impressive but damn man that's plum insane!!!!!! I can't believe how well the Orion performed. I will be trying to purchase one very soon.

    • @tankdog03ify
      @tankdog03ify Před 6 lety +2

      you should check out orions CZcams dyno videos. . they have already tested all there amps on video.. they have sum huge amps that put up tons if power, they have a 12k and a 17k hcca series

    • @robland6118
      @robland6118 Před 6 lety +1

      tankdog03 yes but I didn't believe their videos. Thought they were stretching the truth a little bit.

    • @godzilla7391
      @godzilla7391 Před 6 lety

      Rob Land me also. Seen em, but would rather watch from a 3rd party dyno

    • @jeremywilliams8558
      @jeremywilliams8558 Před 6 lety

      A lot of people thought my tests were a bunch of BS. I assure you, they are as accurate as I could make them. As you see here the 3K numbers match up pretty well with what I got on the Termlab. Thanks for watching.

  • @1styearsi
    @1styearsi Před 6 lety +4

    the old audio guy in me wanted to see ORION pull it out....and i was not disappointed.

  • @aomar9449
    @aomar9449 Před 6 lety +8

    I was expecting the Orion to peak out at just over 4k. the numbers are unreal!

  • @MacNifty
    @MacNifty Před 6 lety +3

    Damn Orion is back better than they ever were in their history I think now. That's amazing bang for the buck! Compared to Rockford? POW!

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +1

      Seems to be an amazing value for sure

  • @celestemccoy5476
    @celestemccoy5476 Před 6 lety +17

    I love all the videos and test. I was pretty confident Orion would beat them all, but a lot of newbies talk about D.C. and Skar like they could hold up to Orion. I'm happy to see Orion hasn't given in to just relying on reputation for sales and still makes an outstanding amplifier. Oldschool all the way!

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +2

      Thanks for watching and commenting!

    • @celestemccoy5476
      @celestemccoy5476 Před 6 lety

      Your welcome. Keep up the good work!

    • @FiBTL18
      @FiBTL18 Před 3 lety

      Thank the new owners for the quality increase. Because for a while there they did go down hill and were garbage. But new bag holders brought it back. Good on them 👌

  • @Xstreamaudio
    @Xstreamaudio Před 6 lety +64

    Sundown audio is over priced and under powered. Orion all the way

    • @erikbritz8095
      @erikbritz8095 Před 6 lety +9

      amp wise yes sub wise no no no their subs are under-rated as hell

    • @patricktisdale9603
      @patricktisdale9603 Před 3 lety

      ABSOLUTELY 💯

    • @blownvoicecoil124
      @blownvoicecoil124 Před 3 lety +2

      you should tell jl audio that lol
      sundown audio underrates everything and there not overpriced there amps are not cheap bc they don't have cheap stuff on the amp everything you see on it is quality parts
      and remember sundown does rated at 14.4 volts and Orion does rated power at 12.6 volts that's why it does so much power

    • @kevinl3892
      @kevinl3892 Před 3 lety

      Not under powered, it did its 3k

    • @blownvoicecoil124
      @blownvoicecoil124 Před 3 lety

      @@kevinl3892 over 3k

  • @jamest4363
    @jamest4363 Před 6 lety +11

    That orion amp was killing it. Damn. Just damn. That's all I can say. Thanks for bringing us this contest. Awsome video.

  • @ucfblackbird
    @ucfblackbird Před 6 lety +1

    Orion has been a respected name for such a long time, I like seeing the new products hold up to the legacy

  • @nicholascortez728
    @nicholascortez728 Před 6 lety +6

    It's nice to see Orion's new owners MD Audio Engineering (they also own lanzar pro and make the current Lanzar Opti amps which are beasts as well) are keeping up with their legacy. The power output on these guys is amazing.

  • @hectorortega9131
    @hectorortega9131 Před 5 lety +3

    Thats the way to do it!, 👍
    There's no school like the Old School..

  • @catch22frubert
    @catch22frubert Před 6 lety +5

    Orion FTW across the board. Great series BigD. Had a lot of fun watching this battle. Looking forward to the final comparison video.

  • @Llegando_Tarde
    @Llegando_Tarde Před 6 lety +18

    Cant get enough of these vids. My favorite channel!

  • @TimmyDfromtheD
    @TimmyDfromtheD Před 6 lety +24

    Keep up the good work. You make some great videos. Thank you for the time, energy, effort and money it takes for you to produce these great videos for us to enjoy. 👍

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +4

      Thanks for the feedback 🤙

  • @jamiec6504
    @jamiec6504 Před 6 lety +27

    I thoroughly enjoyed this “drag race” series Big D as I do with all of your content. I originally had my $ on the DC Audio but after the first test against that ‘nendo I said that Orion may be the sleeper here and boy oh boy was it ever! Many thanks for creating this content for us to enjoy as I know you spend a lot of time, effort and money doing it. I’m sure that I speak for others as well in saying that!

  • @brucewhite9657
    @brucewhite9657 Před 6 lety +2

    Dauummnnn. That Orion is surprisingly strong!! I got to get one now!! Thanx BigDwiz

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      💪 like 🐅

  • @todddooley793
    @todddooley793 Před 6 lety +23

    Gosh darn I love this channel! Great job BIG D! Orion is flat out killing it! Love my 2 x 2500xtr`s strizzapped running my Hcca12`s.2

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      Awesome setup brother 🤙

    • @todddooley793
      @todddooley793 Před 6 lety +2

      BigDWiz, Thank you brother, it was because of you I decided to go Orion. Keep up the great job! my son shares this account but when he tells me you posted, everything else goes on hold haha. I tell my son give me phone back "you big dummy" 😂

    • @1012taz
      @1012taz Před 6 lety

      Me too bro!!! I have 2 XTR 2500 as well. The sound quality and power are absolutely amazing.

    • @drbueler
      @drbueler Před 6 lety +1

      I got my XTR 2500 powering a HCCA 12 in my S2000 and I love it.

    • @joshuapullins8815
      @joshuapullins8815 Před 6 lety +2

      Nice...I also got a XTR 2500 powering a FI 15 Q series and that thing gets down. If it wasn't for Big D I probably would've never known about that amp. Thanks Big D!

  • @jasonlittou9395
    @jasonlittou9395 Před 6 lety +3

    Exactly why I love my 17000.1DSPLX ORION FTW! The new xtr orion amps are very powerful as well

  • @OxBlitzkriegxO
    @OxBlitzkriegxO Před 6 lety +11

    MD Audio, thank you for not screwing over Orion XTR and HCCA lines.
    The other amps are all great, really they are. this reminds me of the good old days when people saw Orion in your car, they knew it meant business.
    PPi, Soundstream, and others pay attention. This is what your higher end amps should be doing as well. This is how you regain respect, with proof and reliability, not designs and stupid spider graphics that impress 10 year olds.

    • @msh6865
      @msh6865 Před 6 lety +2

      Couldn't agree more about what Epsilon is doing to PPI/SS. If Orion can make a comeback so, can those old school legacy brands. Just takes the will and good company management. Both missing from Epsilon right now.
      But, MD Audio...please build better Cobalts and just kill that Ztreet crap altogether.

    • @jamesmcnugget2564
      @jamesmcnugget2564 Před 6 lety +1

      MSH68 I thought MD engineering was running orion somebody said directed was so I had to research an it's Def md!!

    • @jamesmcnugget2564
      @jamesmcnugget2564 Před 6 lety

      MSH68 an cobalt an z street are jus a cheaper lines I don't think they will make those any better without costing the same as xtr sn hcca made for budget, u jus gotta know what to expect at that price point probably not gonna get a 4000watt amp for 150 bucks lol.... an very true need to get rid of the z street line for sure!!!

    • @vettonator
      @vettonator Před 6 lety

      Agreed ppi black ice amps are good solid amps at a great value price if you toss the box out the window and don't pay attention to their bullshit claims. I feel like they would be well-served to just put accurate ratings on their stuff and give them model numbers that reflect actual output. Nobody believes bullshit ratings anymore you got to tell the truth these days or people like Big D and Ryan B. Will call you out.

    • @gregoryjenkins1461
      @gregoryjenkins1461 Před 5 lety

      Running a 2013 model Soundstream TA1.3000D . Rated 3k watts at 1 ohm... I would love to see the Dyno... I love og Soundstream products as I'm running older t5 12s and my favorite RFL-12s in a Jeep.. those little r3.8 subs are amazing on the same amp as well... Would like to see Where the TA1.3000D stands in ranks with these amps.

  • @brentb5303
    @brentb5303 Před 6 lety +11

    I know Orion is in no way the same company they were in the early 90's and the name has been sold several times. However I was really routing for them. My collection of old school amps is small but I have some head turners. The Orion 225 and 250 hcca digital reference 2nd gen get the most attention other than my PPI pro mos 425. I was lucky to find an amp link which I didn't even know existed. They are real head turners. I wish they made amps that look that good still. I've been leaving comments on Orion's videos trying to get them to make a modern NT marble amp but they haven't responded. I've never asked for a thumbs up on a post but maybe if you old school guys could help me out and get their attention. Maybe a pipe dream but I know I would buy one if they made it.

    • @brentb5303
      @brentb5303 Před 6 lety

      I used to hate orion back in the day because I got smoked at a couple of competitions by guys running 225's. I was running Kicker amps and they were definitely under rated but not like a 225. You could have 10 of those 225's putting out close to 4,000 watts for every 1 500ss putting out 1,000. Otherwise known as the good ol' days.

    • @WithLOVE_Indiana
      @WithLOVE_Indiana Před 5 lety

      Zeus and Orion was at the top in the 90s. If you from around Orlando, Florida you know SUGA them EVs in the little black car and NOD CHERRY in the Chevy Blazer bumpin thru the hood.

    • @mikehileman7672
      @mikehileman7672 Před 4 lety

      No , Orion is not what it once was.

  • @mitchellroberts7954
    @mitchellroberts7954 Před 6 lety +20

    So this means you can wire the Orion to 1 ohm and expect to get that 3kw on the label, nice. And it's cheaper than the Sundown. I expect a lot of nuthuggers to cry

  • @PoXFreak
    @PoXFreak Před 6 lety +4

    So basically the price per watt trophy goes to Orion, and the winner in the Korean board section goes to Skar with Crescendo coming in second, DC in third and, surprisingly, Sundown comes in last, although all of them use the same board.
    But DAYUM! Those Orion numbers are SICK!

    • @jamesmcnugget2564
      @jamesmcnugget2564 Před 6 lety +1

      Brian Smith how is that there alllll korean boards?

    • @PoXFreak
      @PoXFreak Před 6 lety

      Well as Dereck mentioned, one is assembled in China (Skar, I believe) but all of them are Korean boards.
      Although the Orion looks to be one of those Brazilian controlled welders...lol

    • @jamesmcnugget2564
      @jamesmcnugget2564 Před 6 lety

      Exactly there all korean boards so how would the winner in korean boards go to anyone of them but orion? A Brazilian board looks nothing like the orion board....so u ment to say the winner would be orion? Guess I'm confused on your comment then.....but as to my opinion I would take any one of those amps an be absolutely happy with it.... there all top tier amps!!!

  • @BENNYMFB
    @BENNYMFB Před 6 lety +3

    Damn man, the highlight of my sundays the past three weeks! Thanks BigD! I’ve been saving up for an hcca 3000.1 and a hcca 15, can’t wait. Orion loud and proud!

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +2

      I never intended to make you guys wait so long, but for sure wanted to save these for last. Shocking in two ways

  • @domyanez7301
    @domyanez7301 Před 6 lety +2

    That Orion is the deal of the decade!

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +1

      Seems that way

  • @StoolSample6889
    @StoolSample6889 Před 6 lety +5

    The 5000.1D was already on my bucket list so I appreciate this video

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +1

      I bet that one hits 7kW certified at 1 ohm

    • @StoolSample6889
      @StoolSample6889 Před 6 lety

      BigDWiz I'm sure. I wish I was able to have you test it when I get it. May have it installed by the end of the month with 3 HCCA 12's

    • @HardKnocks160s
      @HardKnocks160s Před 6 lety

      BigDWiz damn. Iwouldnt doubt it. I Just received this 5k monster its a. Very heavy amp.

  • @numinous4789
    @numinous4789 Před 6 lety +8

    WOW!!! To do double the dynamic RMS as the Sundown (which is a VERY respectable amp in its own right), this Orion is nuts!!! o.0

  • @godzilla7391
    @godzilla7391 Před 6 lety +4

    Wow! Im using the scv2000d and i like it a lot, but im now a big believer in these Orion amps! Holy cow! Might have to pick me up one! Great video!

  • @xtaceice81
    @xtaceice81 Před 6 lety +73

    The sun has set on Sundown!!!!
    ORION woop Woooop

    • @12Messenger
      @12Messenger Před 6 lety +9

      I know and losing business will force them to drop prices on their products they definitely need to drop the SA-12 from $214 to $160

    • @buddylee19082
      @buddylee19082 Před 6 lety +11

      AGREED!!! Sundown built their brand on their older stuff (which was WAYYYYYY BETTER) and now their products are falling off but are completely overrated and WAYYYYYY OVERPRICED!? What part of the game is that?!

    • @percymack7414
      @percymack7414 Před 6 lety +1

      buddylee19082 very true

    • @mattwells1036
      @mattwells1036 Před 6 lety +4

      buddylee19082 yeah ok their stuff is overrated when the amp in question still did more than its rated power.

    • @buddylee19082
      @buddylee19082 Před 6 lety +7

      I'm sry you misinterpreted what I meant when I said "overrated", but it's understandable in this context; what I meant was so many ppl act like Sundown is the best thing since sliced bread (hence the term "overrated") when in reality they haven't been that for years. Ever since they dropped the SAZ line of amps, they started cheaping out on their build quality and this test just proves it.

  • @bigvell02
    @bigvell02 Před 6 lety +4

    DWiz Much love for taking the time to test and edit the video. Seems like I will be looking into Orion. I still like the Sundown Amps they can be tanks haha. I know DD amps are tank quality for sure because I beat the poop out of mine at times.

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      Lots of good amps out there. Very little differences in many of the brands except Orion / RF / Kicker / MTX / maybe a few others

  • @bertastleford4692
    @bertastleford4692 Před 5 lety +2

    I have always wanted an Orion system(for 30yrs). But like before, I need to save some money! Awesome job BigD.

  • @gerrodtrice5825
    @gerrodtrice5825 Před 5 lety +2

    I been having my hcca 15.2 Black coil edition subs for 2 years and they tearing my car frame apart. Best subs i ever had in my life💪

  • @michaelvickers89
    @michaelvickers89 Před 6 lety +6

    Big D wiz,
    Great video! The content just keeps getting better, not that it was ever lacking! This test reminds me of the Orion XTR-2500.1 and the insane numbers it put up.
    Orion makes legit products that are class leading 👍👍

  • @anthonyfejeran1891
    @anthonyfejeran1891 Před 6 lety +3

    Just awesome as always Big D. Good gosh that Orion. I'll have to save up for it but you just picked my next amp for me. Thanks for all the hard work and time spent making these videos for us. Much appreciated.

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +1

      It is hard work, but truly my pleasure to test amps and create these vids for you guys

  • @jhertz6391
    @jhertz6391 Před 6 lety +2

    Damn D, i was expecting the orion to kill it, but not by that much. That's the shit. HCCA line screaming! ha ha. At a lower cost too? Hats off orion.

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +1

      Quite a bargain for the $$

  • @lmadden6236
    @lmadden6236 Před 6 lety +1

    Orion really stepped up their game! That's a whole lotta amp for the price.

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      Yessir it is 👍

  • @braingetter1
    @braingetter1 Před 6 lety +5

    Wow.. just wow.. the smallest one turned out to be a small stick of DYNAMITE! it blew everyone else out the competition. I went for the nendo... now Imma start using Orion for my customers. Great job BigDwiz!!

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      May be one of the shortest, but I wouldn’t say it was the smallest

    • @braingetter1
      @braingetter1 Před 6 lety

      Small=short, but them guts definitely showed that runt of the bunch is on wattage steroids! I'm very impressed. I've been sleeping on them hccas.. haven't used them since the os 2100s..

    • @staples4335
      @staples4335 Před 6 lety +1

      For some reason everyone bags on their new amps. But truth is they are great value and under rated power. Love it.

  • @barryseagull7391
    @barryseagull7391 Před 6 lety +3

    I used to run the Hcca amps back in the 80's, this new 3000 just dropped that big hammer all over that Sundown

  • @1FastCTS-V
    @1FastCTS-V Před 6 lety +1

    Orion FTW!!!! Another awesome video BigDWiz!

  • @Fuzz419
    @Fuzz419 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks Big D. You forced my hand and I got one of these Orion 3k's. I haven't had a system for 15 years. I will say Orion payed attention my amp Birthed 9-28-20 in fact now has a metal housed bass control knob, which includes a clipping light and variable subsonic filter!

  • @jameskyser9423
    @jameskyser9423 Před 6 lety +35

    Orion now on the wishlist for future build

    • @robland6118
      @robland6118 Před 6 lety +1

      James Kyser same for me. I will be buying one of these amps in the near future.

    • @erikbritz8095
      @erikbritz8095 Před 6 lety +1

      same here doing a 4X18 inch subwoofer build so probably will be running 4 of them will be a decent system i believe this makes me wonder what the bigger Orion amps can do?

    • @jameskyser9423
      @jameskyser9423 Před 6 lety +1

      Erik Britz nice! BigD your up we need an orion showdown

    • @marcorodriguez7748
      @marcorodriguez7748 Před 6 lety +1

      Have you checked on the Twisted Sounds? 2.8k and 3.5k? Man!!!!

  • @cain2bad
    @cain2bad Před 6 lety +5

    @BigDWiz putting it down. Great video. Thanks brother

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      Thanks for watching and commenting 🤙

  • @jeromeysmith1990
    @jeromeysmith1990 Před 6 lety +2

    From the videos.
    1st Orion
    2nd Skar
    3rd Dc
    4th Crescendo
    5th Sundown
    Disappointed in the sundown I thought it was going to put out more power then that. Good vid keep’em coming! 👍

    • @tankdog03ify
      @tankdog03ify Před 6 lety +2

      my skar skv2.2500 is more even with the sundown 3k lol

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      I “believe” the Sundown is a slightly beefed up SAZ-2500. Don’t quote me on that one though.

  • @ehrenkrause9861
    @ehrenkrause9861 Před 6 lety +2

    Glad to see the hhca Series are still putting up big numbers no matter where it's made

  • @louiemares1610
    @louiemares1610 Před 6 lety +3

    I got a little confused I just seen Orion official website they did an unboxing and on the certified sheet that came with the amp it stated 3225 Watts but it was at 12.6 v big d whiz is doing 14.6 v I'm going to see how I can increase my voltage in my Explorer so I can produce these numbers

  • @danielmcbride2383
    @danielmcbride2383 Před 6 lety +5

    and that's why they have triple inputs on the Orion cuz they know it's a beast and it needs lots of power but the good thing is and you can run in a lower voltage and still get shitloads of power great job Big D Wiz keep up the good work

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +2

      Triple inputs in a 3k amp are unheard of!! Obviously they did it for a reason, now we know why

    • @akuma4u
      @akuma4u Před 5 lety

      With only 1 run of 0g for pow and gnd going into this amp, do you think it can still push at least 2500rms at 1ohm around 13 to 13.5 volts?

  • @Motocue912
    @Motocue912 Před 6 lety +2

    I will be buying Orion . Dammmm .. keep the great tests coming.

  • @bkrgls
    @bkrgls Před 6 lety +3

    I was so glad to see this video...I already knew that the Orion was packing a punch, but I wanted to see if that Sundown was gonna live up to all the hype. Got a buddy at work that's always bragging about Sundown. Cant wait to tell him to check out this video so that I can say to him..."Orion made the sun go down on that Sundown!" I know it's cheesy but I gotta say it to him. 😂😂😂 Thanks for the great videos and for your time and efforts! ✌

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      ORIONONM 👈😲

  • @07zx14White
    @07zx14White Před 6 lety +4

    Yikes!! I wasn't expecting that at all. Especially considering how some of Orion's newer budget amps have failed to meet spec. Super happy to see that Orion can still hold up to the big name they were years ago.

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +2

      The XTR and HCCA amps are legit. I’ve expressed my concern with the budget amps and how they could harm the brand name...

    • @07zx14White
      @07zx14White Před 6 lety

      BigDWiz
      It's good that you do these types of videos (along with others) because this awesome amp falls in to the opposite end of the "watch out for this amp" spectrum. Haha, this beast is dumping almost 50% more wattage then its rating, which is fantastic. Just understand the gain and buy appropriate speakers. If I had the extra cash floating around for an amp I didn't need I'd instantly buy one of these.

    • @jamescunningham965
      @jamescunningham965 Před 6 lety

      BigDWiz there is a new budget amplifier that they are working on in the cobalt line. 2000 true rms @ 14.4 volts for $199. There was a post on their Facebook a few months back about it and a video showing off the prototype. They are working on changing it all up

  • @brianterry1690
    @brianterry1690 Před 6 lety +5

    Orion for the win! Great competition, thanks for sharing! Can't wait to watch the wrap up and thoughts!

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +2

      I had fun with the series of tests 👍

    • @brianterry1690
      @brianterry1690 Před 6 lety +1

      I would love to see another battle like this in the future! For ppl that compete in the class lanes, this is vital information. Thanks again Big D!

  • @Outty5000Hertz
    @Outty5000Hertz Před 6 lety

    Just ordered the ORION amp today. Can't wait till it gets here!

  • @angelodimitriadis6545
    @angelodimitriadis6545 Před 6 lety +1

    Big d, awesome. After all these years Orion stepped their game up into the stratosphere! Wow

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      Yessir, they have 😲

  • @joshdobson2737
    @joshdobson2737 Před 6 lety +6

    ....... that Orion is a beast..... I like what you did with the inrush current shots

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +1

      Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @crazyorwhat
    @crazyorwhat Před 6 lety +3

    Orion has been doing good lately

  • @gmguy156
    @gmguy156 Před 6 lety

    That Orion HCCA amp has been out for years. Its always been a beast! I had an MTX Blue Thunder Amp years ago driving a Cerwin Vega Vega Series back in the day in like the late 90’s early 2000’s. Speaker was made of Kevlar, and had double lip foam. Had it in back of my IROC Z. I still have the car, actually still have the system. Still have the Alpine Head Unit with Gold Plated 4 volt preouts. Its when BBE was big with those. I paid close to $500 back in 1998 for it.

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +1

      The Blue Thunder amps are great too

    • @gmguy156
      @gmguy156 Před 6 lety

      BigDWiz
      Yeah had surprisingly good power for its footprint. I think mine was 425X1. Could of hit the sub with more, however I was 16-17 years old back then was lucky to get what I did

  • @timmyhonorato9559
    @timmyhonorato9559 Před 5 měsíci

    Orion is legendary old school!! Grew up with these pretty red amps , seeing them in friends trunks. Love these old school vs newbie drag races.

  • @BassThrashin
    @BassThrashin Před 6 lety +20

    Thank you for these videos!

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +1

      Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @DeezNeez01
    @DeezNeez01 Před 6 lety +14

    GOOD-NIGHT SUNDOWN! This was embarrassing for Sundown! A big thumbs up for the video.

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +5

      The slap contest was for fun. Sundown makes great products, but in this case they were outgunned 👈

    • @DeezNeez01
      @DeezNeez01 Před 6 lety +7

      BigDWiz no doubt about Sundown making quality stuff; but when you're talking an average consumer, we want the best return on investment we can get and in this case, that was an absolute beating.

    • @a-team65
      @a-team65 Před 6 lety

      DeezNeez01 not really a fair comparison at all. This was kind of a cheap shot at sundown.

    • @percymack7414
      @percymack7414 Před 6 lety +6

      Matthew Turley orion cheaper what you mean not fair sundown just overpriced

    • @DeezNeez01
      @DeezNeez01 Před 6 lety +7

      No worries. But if you have $900 to spend on an amp, nobody will think less of you for buying a Sundown. I'll buy the Orion and use the left over $200 and put towards my BIG3 upgrade. So, not only did I save $200 more than you, my system is (arguably) more powerful (all others things being equal.

  • @eternal7_gaming340
    @eternal7_gaming340 Před 6 lety +2

    John Wagner sent me here. Big wise keep doing your thing

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +1

      Shout out to Mr Wagner!!

  • @joebrown9621
    @joebrown9621 Před 6 lety +2

    😲 that's just insane.. 😎👍🏾 keep up the good work Big D

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      Thanks brother 🤙

  • @marvinavalos6384
    @marvinavalos6384 Před 6 lety +4

    Daum orion kick ass nice am about to buy one for the prices can't beat that😎💪

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +1

      Please use my link in the video description 😬

  • @mikewaters6339
    @mikewaters6339 Před 6 lety +3

    Damn,, awesome tests.. keep it up BigD.. liking the Orion and Skar 3k

  • @Supercharged1976
    @Supercharged1976 Před 6 lety +1

    Pretty sure I called this on the preview video for this series! LOL! Never had a doubt in my mind.

  • @josea.garcia3994
    @josea.garcia3994 Před 6 lety +1

    Great video!!! Great amp dyno test BIG D!!! ORION FTW!!! I knew it would come out on top!!! That Orion amp just slapped the Watts out of that SUNDOWN amp BIG DWiz!!! Don't you think??? 😂😂😂😂

  • @HardKnocks160s
    @HardKnocks160s Před 6 lety +3

    Just ordered the. Orion 5000.1d hcca. . been waiting for this video to drop💪

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +2

      She’s a heavy beast!

  • @sterr1
    @sterr1 Před 6 lety +4

    Great video series!!! Keep up the great work!!!! This is my favorite channel.

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      I appreciate the feedback 🤙

  • @Blaetsian
    @Blaetsian Před 6 lety +1

    I called it in the first video. Orion beats all. Always will.

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      Yes you did 🤙

  • @salvatorehayes2753
    @salvatorehayes2753 Před 6 lety +2

    Holy smokes. That orion is a monster. I always thought they were overpriced and didn't realize they Cranked out that much!!!!

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      Yeah they appear to be back with a vengeance 😲

  • @jeremywilliams8558
    @jeremywilliams8558 Před 6 lety +5

    Killin it. Great job on the testing Big D!

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      Thanks for watching and commenting! I appreciate the feedback 🤙

  • @alphaomega8373
    @alphaomega8373 Před 6 lety +4

    Love the music you been adding :D

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      Thanks brother 🤙

  • @davidjames4887
    @davidjames4887 Před 6 lety +2

    One of your most informative vid yet

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +1

      I appreciate the feedback

    • @davidjames4887
      @davidjames4887 Před 6 lety

      BigDWiz your fans jet a buz when you respond thaks

  • @sethgt1234
    @sethgt1234 Před 6 lety +1

    I knew as soon I saw the guts of my 11,000.1 and my 4,000.4 I knew they would be way beyond awesome.

    • @charliefrancis6438
      @charliefrancis6438 Před 4 lety

      I felt the same way with my two 8000.1 d’s and the 2000.4 , it’s been a challenge to keep up with the electrical demands, these amps are built with great quality

  • @alexlucero455
    @alexlucero455 Před 6 lety +6

    Orion is almost the cheapest and puts out almost double the rating . I knew Orion would take the win. Thanks big d

  • @mrchrisk36
    @mrchrisk36 Před 6 lety +3

    I had a good feeling bout the Orion. And WOW!!! What a powerhouse!!

  • @Van1018s
    @Van1018s Před 3 lety

    I lose like 2 hours of what could be sleep watching big d test amps every night. By far my favorite CZcams channel. I always go to hit like and realize I already had at some other time. Lol. Seen every video 5 times I think.

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 3 lety

      Thanks brother, I greatly appreciate it 👍

    • @Van1018s
      @Van1018s Před 3 lety

      Williston Audio Labs I have a dd audio m5 I’d send you to test if you’re interested. I know it’s an amp that’s been tested on CZcams before, but I’m very curious to know what it does at .67-.8 dynamic. I’m running it at .75 ohm on 8 Savard hi-q 12. Well I will be. In the process of the build. Let me know. Thanks big d

  • @ericklypchak4677
    @ericklypchak4677 Před 6 lety

    I wont lie.i thought sundown would come out ahead but orion pulled out the after burners and sent sundown walking. Very impressive. Thank you bigdwiz.you da man brother

  • @1012taz
    @1012taz Před 6 lety +5

    Well we all knew who was going to win this battle. It is just crazy the amount of power Orion amps put out for the money. Just insane!!!!! Orion F.T.W.

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +2

      Power per dollar FTW

  • @richhancock3110
    @richhancock3110 Před 6 lety +3

    Holy hell Orion killed it there back

  • @robertfant4628
    @robertfant4628 Před 3 lety

    I feel blessed to have someone with this much knowledge understanding making these videos so someone like me can get better part's for my money. An learn more about the quality of the materials that I want to buy.

  • @elsey1976
    @elsey1976 Před 5 lety

    And now they're on NATIONAL backorder. Thanks a lot Big D.

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 5 lety

      I’m sure they will restock soon

  • @briantrammel7472
    @briantrammel7472 Před 6 lety +4

    just ordered my Orion 11k,going on 2 nsv4 18s n 2 15k XS batts..Gonna blow my blazer out..lol

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +1

      Better order a windshield too 😲

    • @briantrammel7472
      @briantrammel7472 Před 6 lety

      that would make me happy..lol

  • @michaelgould3835
    @michaelgould3835 Před 6 lety +6

    Awesome man that orion is a beast!! Smashed the sundown!

  • @andreesimmons5520
    @andreesimmons5520 Před 6 lety +2

    Thanks for all the great info.

  • @bmilkjl
    @bmilkjl Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks bruh! VERY educational. Gives me a better understanding of the readings.

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 5 lety +1

      Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @molloyvader
    @molloyvader Před 6 lety +8

    Yup, Orion. Basically could have rated their amp twice what they did and charged double. Now that's something!

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      I’m not sure why they are not putting the 14.4 volt ratings in the manual or specs. Would make it easier to compare their amps with other brands

    • @DjR3aper
      @DjR3aper Před 4 lety +1

      @@wal probably because blokes like me don't have the proper charging system

  • @the666bud
    @the666bud Před 6 lety +7

    orion bring the old underrated days back lol

  • @myparakeets6236
    @myparakeets6236 Před 6 lety +2

    Wow 17k views in 2 days keep up the good work

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety +1

      Lots of interest in this one. #SometimesDaTrufHurts

  • @Finga_Trappa
    @Finga_Trappa Před 5 lety

    Amp Drag Race is off the chain?!?!?!? That should be a STAPLE to your channel?!? I may be in love with this amp because of your video(s). This is incredible content!! More Drag Racing!!!! 😎

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 5 lety +1

      Thanks brother. I'll do more when I have comparable amps to try

    • @Finga_Trappa
      @Finga_Trappa Před 5 lety

      You da man Big D Wiz !!!!!

  • @nickgenre1
    @nickgenre1 Před 6 lety +3

    Both are great amps but the Orion is just in a Class of its own here

  • @Brock_Landers
    @Brock_Landers Před 6 lety +3

    I might seriously need to consider buying an Orion HCCA amp...ho-ry-shet!

    • @Brock_Landers
      @Brock_Landers Před 2 lety

      Update...I did...and it absolutely KILLS my four Sundown Audio SA12-D2s in my Acura TL...

  • @PhobosPlace
    @PhobosPlace Před 6 lety +1

    that orion tho, man great vid im looking forward to next vid as usual.

  • @vettonator
    @vettonator Před 6 lety

    Wow, I always knew the orion hcca line was good stuff but I had no idea that their amps were that damn good! Very impressive.

    • @wal
      @wal  Před 6 lety

      👌😬👍

  • @delvinchandler
    @delvinchandler Před 6 lety +3

    I love my Orion xtr 1500.1dz the power is ridiculous, Team Orion for the win !!!!!!!