Why Cars are Getting Uglier
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2024
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Cars are getting uglier.
The BMW XM, the BMW iX, the BMW M3, the BMW M4, the BMW X7, and the BMW 2 series are fine examples of how bad car design is at the moment. All jokes aside, BMW aren’t the only culprits.
Look at the last generation of Civic Type R, it just seems to be needlessly overdesigned and over complicated. Don’t even get me started on the Nissan Juke.
There has to be a reason for it though, am I wrong? Are we all wrong?
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, apparently. Cars like the Jaguar E-Type and Lamborghini Miura are considered by many to be the two of the most beautiful cars ever built, whereas stuff like the PT Cruiser and Fiat Multipla are resigned to a lifetime of brown paper bags and shame.
{The Multipla is kinda so bad it’s good? I dunno}
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Go on, confess... Which of you DOES like the BMW XM?
Me
ofc no one except probably those who crush cars at the junkyard
Definitely not me!
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I think it looks good, not ashamed to say it. It's masculine, modern, and grabs your attention.
Don't fall for the "it's needed for performance" from BMW... most of the grilles area is blocked off/fake. Only an amount of space similar to the older grilled and bottom mouth is open for airflow in the newer cars.
Thanks for saying this. I also believe this is a bullshit argument.
For sure. Much more powerful cars have had much smaller inlets. Mid and rear engine super cars are a perfect example of this.
Ditto for those enormous grilles on Lexus SUVs (and lots of other Japanese cars). Look closely and you'll find that only about half of the hideous plastic is really an opening, the rest is blocked off.
A Corvette has more thermal stress than a BMW with diesel or i4 electric ,the grilles are smaller and better aerodynamcs.i don't like big grilles,espacialy when a small motor is behind.
Look at the Ford ecosport,there ist nothing Eco and nothing Sports in aerodynamics and the Mini engine don't need big cooling,with the Same Hirsepower an 90's Car was faster and more Economic.If you have an electric Car,you have only the Energy of 2 gallons gasoline,and the battery weights half a tone.If you drive fast,the Power ist consument by aerodynamics,and you got shorter mileage in reality,(Not WLTP thats corrupt politics)
Wow, so bmw is making its cars ugly on purpose? Why?
I think the ugliness goes with the era we're living in. By the way, BMW have lost the plot along time ago. As a former BMW enthusiast and technician, its all over. The golden era of nice cars is over. Its just a race in who can create the latest cartoon character.
The golden age of cars was in the 50’s and 60’s, gradually started dwindling down since the 70’s which has led us to where we are right now. I may only be only 23 but I would be more than happy if they started making cars like they did in the mid to late 60’s since that’s when you could choose certain options like power windows etc vs what they tell you what you want these days. I simply don’t see any car made today being a collector’s item since a majority of all modern cars will have been junked since all of the electronics will have degraded by then and the parts will be nonexistent by then as well.
@@seana806 90% of people who buys their car want to daily them. And a predominant part of the market are comprised of non car guys.
But when you compare a gt500 to an old mustang it will whoop the old car in every aspect(except for the "lasting" part).
But yeah the old cars were certainly cooler. And one day I'll get my hands on a GTO.
@@RickyBobby42069 last year I almost ended up with a 1966 Ford LTD sedan hardtop with the 390 with about every option except cruise control for $2500 but didn’t end up getting it since the seller never responded after inquiring 2 times. Kind of bummed since that was one of the many dream cars I’d like to own and those are the classic cars I have appreciation for since those cars were everywhere many years ago but sadly are all gone. Wish I could go back in time to show people how pitiful today’s cars are and many would be shocked to see what’s happened to today’s cars.
as an old car enjoyer I agree
@@RickyBobby42069 yeah. same for bikes. my uncle has a 1975 honda goldwing GL1000. needs a few cranks to start, but it starts beautifully. yeah, the power is lackluster compared to nowadays' bikes but its more than enough (78hp). reliable as fuck. in fact, it is more reliable than my 1998 PIECE OF SHIT aprilia pegaso 650 which starts if it feels like it, refuses to run if you run out of petrol and has worse handling.
I don't mind ugly cars. I hate it that every car looks the same. Only the expensive sport cars have extravagant designs. I miss the times when affordable cars had unique looks.
It depends on why the car is ugly. The original VW Golf was designed to provide a roomy interior in a reasonably compact space, so I can live with the fact that it will never be compared with the XKE or even the 72 Camaro in terms of beauty. The BMWs mentioned in this video don't have any functional excuse for their ugliness. Oh and they make the first generation VW Golf look beautiful.
agreed
Unfortunately in the name of efficiency and aerodynamics it does require a certain amount of convergence on everything looking same-y
@@jonde3 90-00s were transition to 2000s and forwards to this day, (every since then most cars have looked the same) before that in the 80s, well I could distinguish most cars only from the silhouette.
And when cars were designed around the market they were sold in, remember when you actually had compact cars that fit the roads? Here in Norway cars are so wide compared to many of our roads that if there is incoming traffic one of you needs to literally drive partially off the road to pass, now add someone cycling on the road as well which i happen to do, you simply cannot share roads with modern cars anymore, they're incredibly dangerous to anyone who isn't in it.
When a large front grill is a statement of wealth and success, you know that it's also a statement that we're living in a really fucked up times.
I hate the times we live in
Exactly. Id rather have the sleek looking E39 with a big honking v8 in it, with small and elegant kidney grills, than the abomination the Xm is. Huge nostrils for smaller engine. yikes
@@oliestarkyshitposting5647 I still have my E39, really great car.
Plymouth Valiant 1960 had a big grill and was a compact car 😅
large grills have been considered a luxury statement for decades, lol
It really seems like car design follows this constant cycle where things get ridiculous every 10-20 years.
No i completely disagree, its really only certain types of brands - namely luxury brands
I would tend to agree. I usually find myself liking most designs acrossed all makes and models once every 4 years. I don't know why that is, but there will be an "ugly" year, an "okay", year, (and by "year" I mean a generation/ design cycle) maybe an interim one and then a year that everybody does pretty well on.
It seems like you don't understand what futuristic is.. all you understand is a car that looks like a dodge caravan 🙄 you people are so boring
@@florisvideler Chrysler K cars. Cheap and supremely ugly! OK, I had to go back quite a bit for that one, but I was traumatized by them as a kid.
@@franki3Ru550 Futuristic isn't giving something unnecessary angles. And no, people don't want a boring blob either.
I think we are in an era when ugly is considered cool. Attention is more important than admiration.
It's because a lot of new generation of American kids have fetal alcohol syndrome, when all of them are ugly they have to find beauty in it
considering how ugly cars were in older days with long ass body shapes, some were driving soap handlers etc its an ironic statement how cool they are now objectively, boomers really have the shittiest opinions ig
I can't sense any uglyness in these designs. Boomers like you want old ass production style for an eternity.
"attention is more important than admiration" wow,well said.
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BMw 518i boxy car
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It's all geometry
It depends what you think as geometry beauty
I like mostly square box shape.....Like 70s square box police cars
I like square in the front sharp edges in the front
And diagonal in the back
Like ford ....Pontiac
In movies
And square boxy police cars
In dukes of hazzard
I like police cars in dukes of hazzard more than general lee
And I like 1920s mafia cars
Generally I want boxy square car
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It's like a man worked for hours making a lovely smooth design and then some jerk said " run that through AI / computer"
The way the expert talked about the design, how it was designed by a comity, it remembered me a description from the Pontiac Aztek. The Aztek has, among other inconsistencies, a square form above the front wheels and a rounder form above the rear wheels.
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🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇪🇺we have old 1991
BMw 518i boxy car
👋
It's all geometry
It depends what you think as geometry beauty
I like mostly square box shape.....Like 70s square box police cars
I like square in the front sharp edges in the front
And diagonal in the back
Like ford ....Pontiac
In movies
And square boxy police cars
In dukes of hazzard
I like police cars in dukes of hazzard more than general lee
And I like 1920s mafia cars
Generally I want boxy square car
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That car was ugly and everyone is doing the same thing today.
hahah rbeakng bad
If were talking boxyness: There's nothing beating VW The Thing. Whether you like it or not.
"just because your grandma calls you a handsome boy doesn't mean you are" _cries silently.._
yes
damnn …and I felt validated by my grandma calling me handsome the other day
it hurts 🤕
@@xninja2369 ay this shit is 2 years old how much time did i waste ffs
Toyota was ahead of its time, it was the first to make their lineup with all ugly scowling monstrosities.
lmao
Lmao
I think Audi beat them to that by a few years. I remember reading something years ago about anthropology where they were talking about the "fierce face" concept. In almost every culture world wide there has been some tradition of face paint or makeup or ritual scarring, etc. intended to look scary and strike fear into the heart of an opponent. You find this among Native American tribes, Pacific Islanders, in Africa, with Vikings, you name it. It's a universal primitive thing meant to frighten and intimidate. When you look in your rear view mirror and see that lawyer in his expensive BMW tailgating you the idea is that you will feel cowed and inferior. Might work on some people but definitely not on me, I just think "go ahead and hit me, I need the money, and your headlights cost more than my whole car".
The predator face grill... SIGH
Agree 100%, but on the plus side, at least Toyota has led the way in bringing back interesting colors
8:36 Love it how on "Beauty lasts forever" they show an Alfa Romeo 🔥
There is a reason why he has an Alfa 33 Stradale on his desk ;)
This didn't age well.. Alfa romeo junior
The biggest thing that has been bugging me is the huge grille trend. Sadly, one of the worst offenders imo is Toyota. The Avalon and Tundra right now are just ghastly. I guess they're cool if you like your car to look like a mouth breather.
I've wanted to get a Toyota for a while because of the reliability but the grills are fantastically ugly.
It's interesting how the same phenomena happens now with electric cars what happened 120 years ago to the first cars: the modern electric cars still have shapes which are completely unnecessary (like the grill in the front of the "engine compartment"), to not look too dissimilar from regular cars. And the fist cars looked exactly like stagecoaches, despite having no technological reason to do so.
The stage coach like design has some appeal, but handles terribly as a car in terms of drivability.
Pretty much the same reason why vegan burgers and meatballs look like meat.
@@playerforty4621 Stupidity?
"And the fist cars looked exactly like stagecoaches, despite having no technological reason to do so" this is not entirely true, they were hand-made by the people who made coaches in literal coachworks - its what they KNEW how to make, they'd done 7-year apprenticeships and 20 year careers building them.
Its not injection moulded plastic like a car bumper where the designer can just decide. The designer could come up with something new but it would literally take a generation to make it - which is exactly how long it took.
Well, it also has to do with production facilities, a complete new design requires a completely new production line, whereas making them look alike means that certain components can be reused. Cost effectiveness is the main drive for companies these data
I've been saying this for a few years! Why do they keep "over-designing" the cars? Less is more, seriously. A car should be pleasing and soothing to the eye, not make you go "uuuuh wtf. Where does that line go? What the hell is that thing there?"
Because people keep buying into it so they continue the trend untill there is pushback or nobody wants to buy it anymore
I have a model of a Peugeot 406 Pininfarina Coupé on my shelf just to remind myself what a pretty car looks like. The surfacing is so subtle and deliberate.
They are all going for this futuristic cyberpunk look. Pretty lame
@@SianaGearz I will say, not all cars now are bad. I really like the Volvo V60 and V90. They are clean and "well thought through" so to speak.
I think it's in part due to our need for instant gratification, or in the marketing dept. instant notification and that'll translate to some customers who want to stand out regardless. I learnt graphic design at college (a long while back) but we were taught, even bad / ugly design is good design, as in good design practice in this pursuit to stand out from the crowd and be memorable. Just look at all the crappy lame commercials we're subjected to these days. As far as this specific BMW I think he's nailed it for the most part since it was designed by committee, with no specific leading arc to bring it all together but some of the "bad" design could in large part be on purpose to be memorable (and get people talking about the brand - which is a good thing of course).
I like the Classic VW Beetle and the French 2CV. They aren't over the top designs but they have unique and intresting characteristics. I like unique and oddball designs that are different from others. Cars that have a friendly look and they aren't perfect. Thier imperfections are what give them personality life and just a simple beauty that you can't hate.
Not only their design was simple, but mostly the rest of the car too. They‘re not my fav cars, but I potentially like cars more when I know I could repair some stuff on them myself if I was just more intelligent. It’s the overall simplicity together with very unique and memorable designs that amaze me on these cars.
Goes the same with the over exaggerated tail lights, sunroof, the less metal in the car the cheaper it is.
Also, it helps if the young develops a taste for the ugly things because they were told that is "a good looking design" since they were growing up. (Happens with horrible music too)
"I wouldn't call it ugly but there is a bizarre grotesqueness to it." -Classic
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🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇪🇺we have old 1991
BMw 518i boxy car
👋
It's all geometry
It depends what you think as geometry beauty
I like mostly square box shape.....Like 70s square box police cars
I like square in the front sharp edges in the front
And diagonal in the back
Like ford ....Pontiac
In movies
And square boxy police cars
In dukes of hazzard
I like police cars in dukes of hazzard more than general lee
And I like 1920s mafia cars
Generally I want boxy square car
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8:30 "Beauty is eternal and ugly is ugly.." I've always felt that way, especially when it comes to cars, hearing a guy that designs cars put it into words was awesome!
I don't know if that is completely true. I have a 2002 WRX which I consider the best looking of all Imprezas and a very beautiful vehicle in general. It's why I have had the thing for 17 years. That said, I remember when I first had it, and it was considered unattractive with its 'bug eyes' headlights. And by 04, the 'bug eyes' look was gone. Which I think toned the car back way too much.
@@SaturmornCarvilli true, our perception can change
Just my opinion, I thought he sounded like a stubborn idiot when he said that.
@@SaturmornCarvilli well well, i respect your opinion but for me the 04 is the best looking impreza and the the 02 is worst looking. everyone has different taste and the best thing you can do is accept it and respect it. the problem of cars today is that they aren't made for everybody to like, they have a very special look to attract a very special group of buyers. the result is that a lot of people will dislike the look, but it won't affect sales that much in the end.
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🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇪🇺we have old 1991
BMw 518i boxy car
👋
It's all geometry
It depends what you think as geometry beauty
I like mostly square box shape.....Like 70s square box police cars
I like square in the front sharp edges in the front
And diagonal in the back
Like ford ....Pontiac
In movies
And square boxy police cars
In dukes of hazzard
I like police cars in dukes of hazzard more than general lee
And I like 1920s mafia cars
Generally I want boxy square car
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5:35 wow this variant of the m3/m4 would look awesome!
I worked for a number of years as a business strategy consultant to the global metals steel industry. As a consequence, I periodically worked with clients that produced flat rolled steel for automotive applications. Exposed automotive steel applications (the body panels you see when you look at a car) were some of the most demanding applications in terms of mechanical properties and surface quality. This (exposed automotive) is a market segment that requires commitment from the steel producer - high capital costs for specialized equipment (eg vacuum degassers for ultra low carbon interstitial free grades of steel, etc) and very involved relationships between steel producers and automotive manufacturers regarding the development of new grades of steel. New grades of steel were constantly being developed to provide a combination of desirable properties including light weight, firm ability, and strength. They would use tailor welded blanks (TWBs) to create a body panel that consists of different grades of steel to accommodate the need for different steel properties at different places in the panel. I’ve had several contacts at automotive steel producers as well at automotive manufacturers tell me that often what people think to be bland or even ugly designs are to some degree the consequence of pursuing weight reduction via thinner panels which necessitates more forming of the panel to impart rigidity in lieu of lighter (thinner) body panel material.
I've also noticed this myself over the last few years. It seems as though car designers are trying to make their cars look more and more like tranformers from the movies. I half expect some of these cars to transform into a huge robot at the traffic lights and start skating.
You might be right. Similar happens in movie industry where yesterday's dorks and nerds are today big bosses and embody their childhood wet dreams into reality.
@@elozvyut It seems as though if we want an accurate picture of what the future will be like, we need to watch older moveis about the future!!! lol.
Don't forget sports motorcycle design. Same identical mess.
Agree completely!
@@anonymousvip1665 whos made an accurate depiction of the future no one because its an interpretation or personal view of what some one think the future may look like this cars are ugly and will be forgotten in 20 years time....
i love late 80's early/mid 90's Japan. The very purposeful dimensions and incredible fit and finish on interior bits which still hold up to this day.
@Yippee Skippy I collected hotwheels as a kid and translated it into adult life. I have an 89 CRX, 90 Acura Legend, 93 Camry and Accord wagon
But I need MORE lolol. Help!! I own 7 cars
Japan seems to get it right. Or atleast seemed to
Facts, the 85 mr2 is beautiful
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🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇪🇺we have old 1991
BMw 518i boxy car
👋
It's all geometry
It depends what you think as geometry beauty
I like mostly square box shape.....Like 70s square box police cars
I like square in the front sharp edges in the front
And diagonal in the back
Like ford ....Pontiac
In movies
And square boxy police cars
In dukes of hazzard
I like police cars in dukes of hazzard more than general lee
And I like 1920s mafia cars
Generally I want boxy square car
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I personally like the general design idea of the m4
If the grill shapes were just wider though it would look a lot better to keep it from looking so tall and maybe shorten them a bit too
Ikr I really like the M4
@@AirrEnthusiasthope the original f82 and not piggy g82
Makes me wish we still had cars that used the 1920-1930 designs. I find them way classier than a majority of today's cars
Packard is bringing back the Victoria from the 30's with a modern drivetrain.
That was the best looking era of car design!
POV: you're wondering how i got so many likes.
BMWs are cars too.
@@automation7295 but not all the cars which is the point he was making
The video actually only states that they are, it doesn't give reasons other than cooling
to be honest Mercedes are getting uglier too. The outside still looks okay, but the interior is abhorrent compared to a few years ago. I wish there was some car that offered Mercedes exterior look and BMW interior design.
@@real_dddf Mercedes-Benz used to look better looking interiors like the S222 and S211 S-Class, W213 and W212 E-Class. W223 S-Class and W206 C-Class looks really uglier the the previous generations. W205 C-Class and W222 definitely had better looking interiors. While W213 received a facelift, interior still look like the pre-facelift, but the exterior is uglier.
That XM is profoundly ugly, the single worst parts if some can be isolated from the overall wretchedness, are the front lights.
not the citroen though :)
It's made for people with lot of money in their pockets but not a lot of aesthetics sense. Only an urge to show off. AKA rich Chinese
@@Janshevik that's one's a beauty!
Bruh why did the damn nostrols on the electric bmw get bigger considering that there is no real engine in the front
Because the designers/stylists/wannabe-artists-engineers are idiots
Great topic. Current production cars are all boxy shaped and looking too similar. I needed a new car this last year and just could not get myself to pay $60,000 plus for a luxury car that I just did not like. Finally gave up and bought a 2011 Aston Martin Rapide for less money and just love it. Definitely a gorgeous car design.
Well good choice. Do not buy another “product” born by world consumer chain. Real cars are left in the past (but you still can find and preserve some gem for $60k, not modern garbage)
All I gotta say is SLS AMG still looks timeless and like it's from the future. None of the Mercedes which came after that doesn't look as fresh as that
SLS AMG looks really good, for sure a design that you remember.
Problem is that those doors are difficult to open
No. The new sl amg is exceptionally beautiful
@@arnoldmbuthia2687 it's not even remotely close to the SLS
hardly looks like its from the future when its just a tweak of a decade-old design
@@emze563 seems like many people think otherwise
I found laughable that a company this famous is tied to their grill/nostrils so much that they put an ugly one on an EV. They should find a new way to stand out. This is becoming ridiculous
The whole front bumper needs to be grills.
@@metallboy25 Why limit ourselves with the front of the car?! More grills faster cars!
Because nobody's got the guts to tell someone "NO, that's a bad idea" because they're afraid of hurting someone's feelings
What I'd like to know is, why are headlights getting smaller and brighter? I see it mostly happening with SUV's, and it also seems like the lights are up mounted higher than needed, blinding more and more people at night. It's quite dangerous to me, and I just want to know why headlights have evolved to their current design
They are less likely to get hit by things if they're smaller, and maybe it also makes them more robust in crashes? That could also explain why they're getting higher: to avoid crashing into the bumpers and trunks of smaller cars.
@@kimbleangus7321 Nah, no car is supposed to operate as though nothing happened after a collission.
Even if your headlights are still working, you're probably not allowed to keep driving it untill full repairs have been done.
All cars nowadays have crumple zones that increase the occupants safety but it also means that after a collission, the car will look like a write-off.
Because to the average consumer “bright white led = new and high tech = it must be better”
@@tamiwu0346 Headlights are actually not getting higher nor brighter. It's that the sales of SUVs are increasing. If there are more SUVs on the road, then you will obviously feel like headlights are getting higher, while in fact it's because cars are getting bigger.
Also, those extremely bright headlights are generally aftermarket LEDs that people purchase and install by themself.
@@PG-3462 Most cars that blind me are SUVs and they are not old models. I don't see the appeal of white LEDs (They don't look cool, they are cold and impersonal, like the car designs imo). I recently bought a Honda scooter brand new. The thing has LEDs everywhere. Yes, I can see quite far away at night but guess what ? They did put warm white LEDs and the result looks way more appealing to me. Why don't all the manufacturers at least let you get warmer lights as an option or something. That's just LEDs, they're cheap !
This period in car design is similar to the 1950s/60s where each car design tried to out-do the others. Back then it was big ugly chrome grills and tail fins. Now it’s aggressive angry angles and gratuitous features. So it’s another baroque phase for car design, just made more angry for a more threatening world. Hopefully the pendulum will swing back at some point, when clean and spare design seems novel again. (Comment by a product designer, car guy, and former car design student)
Cars from the 50s/60s had way more style than the cars of today.
@@Nightshade_787B I completely agree. I'd take tailfins over bubbly plastic any day
More threatening? Last I checked the Cold War is over.
@@sterlinsilver As bad as Putin is he isn't Stalin. I would be very surprised if Ukraine escalated to nuclear Armageddon.
At least if you say big chrome and tail fins you are defining an era. The problem with current design ugliness is that there isnt a common feature, except maybe engineers trying to test the limits of their new CAD software and of new factory tooling.
Peugeot has been the only company esperimenting with a 60s like vision: back then it was "cars that recall fighter jets", Peugeot is doing "cars that recall a lion" and I like that.
Merc has also found a formula to make cars that look great. Whoever is in charge of the design has a really good understanding of curves and proportions
0:45 I’ve never heard someone say innovative like that and I think I like it
Looking at current BMW designs remind me of Pontiac. Specifically the 1971 GTO or even the Aztek. It could be that the designer had a GTO, or his/her dad owned a Pontiac, or he's a big fan of Breaking Bad (2004 Pontiac Aztek). 😉
Car design currently is a mix bag of amazing masterpieces to dog's breakfast. I guess it's just a tumultuous era and designers are atleast experimenting. But seems like some company lack people with taste to say NO. There are plenty of amazing designs with attainable cars recently eTron GT, Lotus Emira, Genesis (hyundai) new lineup, Most of PSA new lineup, Kia EV6 + ioniq 5 twins. The list of great looking cars in the past few years is massive. Just that the horrific ones really stick in our memory.
all they want is more money, they could care less about design at most of these places, and even when they get it right it feels weird because they probably got it right on accident and not because they are passionate
@@kylehagertybanana Sorry it's not that simple anymore. Ironically they do alot of stuff that is not for money and kind of wasteful silly. If your argument was true it would be optimized for R.O.I. Which clearly alot of inhouse car design is not working like that.
I think it's safe to say that rn we're in a transitional period in the car world, where companies are experimenting with lots of new technologies. And I guess designers are also experimenting with new designs. Also, now that "futuristic/modern" cars are becoming the norm, ppl will stop seeing them as futuristic, so designers have to come up with a new definition of "futuristic". An example of a car I think looks great, is the 2022 Cadillac Escalade. An example of a car I think looks bland, is the new Honda accord. The grill just looks like it's missing something.
Designers are under pressure to come up with "something different", "something unlike anything previously existed".
Which ends up being weird.
Cars didn’t get uglier, it’s people who can’t accept change. 90% of the people who saw the M3/4 didn’t mind the grill or even loved it, they moved on without saying anything, it’s people who are cynical and afraid of change that’s smashing the keyboard try to prove they are “right
Glad this is being addressed at last!
But according to me this begun with the rise of the SUV, which started a race to only get more ponderous and showing-off (with as much flashy details as possible)!
Yep, the idea that a tank should be your standard daily drive was really the beginning of the end.
SUVs are absolute road borne cancer.
Talk to the elites that own the factories that produce the automobiles and sell the products used to build them. ( All average people wanted was more room for their stuff).
There were many people over the last twenty years scratching their heads at the crap coming out of the auto industries--- but especially the people pushing the unneeded accessories!! I hate all the automation. Just hate it. Is it nice?? Yes. But I really did not need it or ask for it. Nor did I want to pay for it. (Safety items are good).
OMFG I had all but forgotten about the god forsaken escalades until I noticed the hideous grotesque lip-filled monstrosities that are the newest models. jfc
@@oooloo99 the fact you need to tap through goddamn menus on a screen just to do ANYTHING that was already solved by easily accessible buttons switches and dials........ wonderful
Iam a Sri Lankan but I just love American classic muscle cars. But not that much of a fan of modern cars. People say I'm too old school but for me an electric can't even compare to an idle v8
Bro you nailed that 1st second😂😂
I find that the ridiculously small side rear windows, and the strange body angles, make shoulder checks and reversing accurately, a challenge.
Modern cars as designed to rely on backing cameras and all this other crap to use unlike when you actually had to drive it
Back up cameras are everything but crap
@marvin backup cameras are great as an aid, but they shouldn't be used as your sole way of seeing where you're going.
They encourage tunnel vision and it's easy to overlook pedestrians and such walking behind the car
You're not supposed to be a competent driver. If you crash you have to buy a new car, more money for big car corp. Or something, idk.
I don’t know how young drivers are supposed to learn to park the car accurately when they can’t see anything going on. Also, what do you do when the cameras don’t work anymore? On top of that, I find bigger windows way more aesthetically pleasing than small ones.
Bet no one thought the original X5 would age so gracefully. Makes me not despise SUVs, almost.
Its because it is simplistic. Not exaggerated.
Nice 991.1!
Expecially the F15 X5M, it's still so gorgeous
@@joshuathomas512 Still an SUV, so not really "gorgeous" in my book, but one of the less ugly ones
The design aged like fine wine.
The rest of the car didn't...
I don't know about you but that 10th gen Civic was pretty good looking, by far my favorite Civic design that actually looks like more in-line with higher-end JDM cars in the previous decade like the 7th gen Celica or even the old Skyline R-34. This made Civic more sporty looking compared to other generations, even better than the current gen and the 9th gen. The only generation Civic designs that I liked before that was the Asia-Pacific 8th gen(America's 8th gen looks terrible ngl) and the EK and EG Civics, specifically the hatchbacks. It was by far the best-looking consumer sedan at the time imo if you live in Asia, better than the Corolla at the time which was its most direct competitor. I've never wanted to buy a sedan again after experiencing SUVs and MPVs for use-case, but that Civic changed my mind which only the Lancer EX did prior that.
"Beauty is eternal, ugly is.. ugly." Greatest quote ever
Some designs age like fine wine, others like fine milk.
Hey, the PT crusier is a beautiful car! In fact, the first car that attracted me for it's design, I was seriously considering to buy it for how great it looks and how cheap it is now (I mean, a 16 y/o car shouldn't be expensive in the first place but it has a really good price at this time)
Don't do it bro. Even if you like the design. It's PLAGUED with issues. It'll cost you a fortune to keep it running and you'll hate it so much
it s an abomination and a garbage car like most american cars
@@sufyansmits6410I've heard a lot of people say this about a lot of cars that aren't true. How well the previous owner took care of it is 1000% more important than a cars reputation, coming from someone who bought a high mileage early 2000s jaguar and 90s camaro z28
I too find the PT Cruiser to be beautiful. Would love a GT wagon with dog dish hubcaps.
This means whatever you make some people will like it enough to buy it... crazy
Thank god someone is covering this. I have been saying this for a while.
I love the fact you can see his little alfa 33 stradale model at 1:34, truly a man of good taste
One of, if not THE most beautiful cars ever made
5:57 mullets are trendy again. Im rocking one😛
They look amazing :)
"Beauty is eternal, ugly is ugly" got me dead😭
Dude just roasted the entire bmw lineup to use as examples
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if you're going to make your cars look like that then you've got to be ready to roasted 🤷😂
I don't know what this channel got against BMW's but as i see hes just a teardrop aerodynamic fan whereas i love the Big Boys that Hit hard when you hit the streets. This channel needs to shut down cause he's literally the only one hating so much and he is making generalities on the entire world hating the new bmw's.
@Aryan A why do you thing i got this sh in my recco
@Aryan A btw nice pfp
I think they're planning to introduce a new design language. They did once again with the 7er a couple years ago. Experiments like this gives you a lot of freedoms to make the customers familiar with a new look. Sometimes ugly design is just a stepstone.
most underrated comment.
Yeah, like crtl+c & crtl+v launguage.
Tell me a difference in styling between any of Ford's, or any Subaru's or any Volkswagen.
Oh and spot a difference between Škoda, VW and Seat.
They're THE SAME!!
Not only the designs; big grill, narrow headlight, small third side window, identical C pillar, strange 'spoilers' and "crossover" wich is a retarder cupe/hatchback. Oh, and round-fobia.
But! In fact we can see only few 'platforms', like all Subaru's and Toyotas use mostly the same chassis. Jeep Renegade is exactly the Fiat 500L.
Porshe Macan uses engine from VW Tiguan.
The problem is the same bullshit everywhere.
Finally someone that commented something worth while I agree with you.
this makes the most sense tbh
@@jes3927 ratio
I asked the local BMW Dearship the same question. They said: ' many like the larger grills..' ! Bullshit! BMW told them to say that...!
Car's boxy shape back in the days is more on material bending, machines and holding that was used and not yet created. Now with all the plastic and aluminium use in cars, the mahcines have been updated to mold any shape they can think of whereas in the past, steel was not easy to work and mold.
With all my respect but Mazda with its "kudo" design language is one of the finest at the moment and its application in the mazda 3 (an economy car) should be praised to say atleast considering the price level they are competing in which can prevent them from making even more amazing designs !(imagine a super/hyper car mazda with this design language !)
Its not "Kudo", its "Kodo", and its nit just a design langauge, its their whole philosophy of the car being and extension of the driver's body. Nonetheless its a beautiful concept which they execute...well...beautifully!
@@moonsapling yes indeed as it relies on sculpted curves with nearly no lines which not only elegant and unique but also very hard to manufacture and thanks for the correction
@@khaledali-di9mt Organic designs are just so much more than those geometric shaped SUVs! The correction was minor and I fully agree with your comment :)
I thought I was the only one liking mazda design language these days
@@animeangelicstar5907 No my dear u are not alone ,but mazda is a small company and its fan base is not huge atleast when compared to its main rivals ....that's why u don't hear their voice that much but they do exist and they are growing
3:06 "I wouldn't call it ugly, but I would call it bizarre grotesqueness." I LOLed.
Dude, the Lagonda looks so cool. It looks like a concept car made production.
Like a friend of mine used to express it : Cancer.
Stuff getting out of control, out of touch, and out of hand. And then, suddently.....
Beauty is timeless. The Jaguar E type looks as beautiful now as it did when it first rolled off the line more than 60 years ago.
I think it looks a little silly imo but i see the appeal
I’m a 60 year old American guy and I loved some of the American cars of the 60’s. Mustang Fastback, Firebird, Camaro, GTO etc. but the most beautiful car for me was always the Jag! Perfect curves, beautiful dimensions. Stance is spot on! It’s really stuck with me a long time.
I've wondered about current automotive design for several years and it troubles me a bit.
I, too, wonder why BMW stepped so far away from some of their organic designs of the 1990s in order to hang art deco grilles on their newest models. Increased air flow to the radiator? OK, I'll buy that. But you can still achieve that goal with design discretion.
One of the my greatest disappointments has been the strange evolution of the Subaru WRX, WRX/STI. The 2008-2012 models were very nice in my opinion. Today's offering is both bland and techno-gaudy in my opinion. The car doesn't look like a player anymore.
Maybe it's the Bling Effect. People want other people to know that they dropped a bundle on their new SUV or pickup truck so they buy those models that edge toward the grotesque in order to stand out?
I don't know. And since I'm not going to be buying a new car for some time, it doesn't really matter.
have you considered the possibility that BMW designers are not stuck in the 90s? I look at the interior and exterior of BMWs these days to ones 20 years ago and could hardly tell the difference. there's a thin line between sticking to brand recognition and design and just producing the same car decade after decade
Try having a look at DS. They're making some nice looking cars. Quite tasteful and high class and they ride like a cloud. They've even got air suspension at under £30k.
GOTHIC design
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I'll be keeping my E39 for a long time. Not only have cars become very fugly over the past couple of decades but the interiors are horrible too. The ergonomics of the 80s and 90s has given way to controls that are hard to find or operating in the name of "simplicity".
@@emze563 Change for its own sake isn't always a good thing. BMW before the 21st Century has smooth elegant designs. Now they are all cheap and gawdy just like almost all others now. I think the only major exception I have noticed would be VW/Audi but even they are starting down the same path of tackiness.
My two recent favorites by leaps and bounds are the new Alfa Remeo Gulia and Mazda 6. Both of those cars are drop dead gorgeous from any angle.
The Audi TT is also one of the most beautiful cars ever built... The 2004 models look like they were bought yesterday.
Along with the Thunderbird coupe.
3:27 lets be honest guys the 2025 BMW in the meme is low key fire hahahahahaha
I totally agree, I've been thinking Car designers have all taken an "Ugly" pill for years. The 90's was the decade for good design. The key is for simple flowing lines, curve it don't crease it. There is also the Western European perspective verses the Asian perspective. New cars do seem to be designed for the Asian market.
In my opinion 90's cars look like absolute disgusting garbage. And who the hell are you to tell others how cars have to look like? It's just your opinion so stop pushing it like some absolute truth.
@@MuppetsSh0w 90s cars still look elegant today, 30 years later. these gaming PC case designs wont do the same. bet youll be sick of them in 5 years.
@@MuppetsSh0w Japanese sports cars looked great from that era
I personally think 90s cars looked awful and like the 2010s best. The 1960s was the last good decade for “flowing” lines, after that every maker except supercars and hypercars lost their touch. Ferrari’s and McLaren’s and Maserati’s and etc still look good with smooth bodies. But they’re just about it.
IMO it's all about China. It's a huge market that the manufacturers don't want to miss. And they have no taste. Just look at their designs and you'll see.
Even the bad examples of 80s cars still look better than most melted soap bars on the road today. 80's and 90's Japanese style is still king in my opinion and it makes me sad safety regulations prevent them from ever being made again while bloated SUVs and pickup trucks and hit a short person at head height because apparently that's safer than flip up lights
Melted soap bars... love that visual comparison.
I like the recent designs more
That's not why
Money and cost saving
You were onto something till you devolved into the typical SUV/pick-up hater
5:34 that red m3 with the aftermarket grill looks stunning
"Having a mullet might have been cool in 1986."
In Australia mullets have made a massive comeback and it breaks my soul.
4:00 someone should fix that missing texture on the building :)
The bmw's have a face only the lead designer could love.
"I wouldn't call it ugly.. grotesque" well that's not wrong.
beauty is in the eye of the beholder...and some people are blind
@@randellgribben9772 and they all work at bmw right now.
@@CreamAle damn 😂
@@CreamAle Whahaha awesome burn
It looks like old grumpy sloth...
I was born in 2005 and am 18 years old.
Which means I'm pretty young.
Same for most of my friends who are around the age of 20.
But for some reason we all agree that we prefer the looks of 80s and mostly 90s cars.
We do like some modern cars, but we're much more into old cars.
My favourite car to look at is the Mazda RX7 FC3S(with the round tail lights) for example, or its successor, the Mazda RX7 FD3S.
And I also love the BMW e30, or the BMW e36 M3 GT my dad used to drive when he met my mom.
I could cite many old cars I like, but many less new cars.
I can only think of the Toyota GT86 with a few body mods, or the Audi R8, but that one feels like cheating,
just like choosing supercars or hypercars, we're usually not interested in those kinds of cars because we don't think we could ever afford them.
i like the cars you showed at the start
BMWs are getting uglier. Just keep that classic look and add a different grill underneath. It shouldn't be rocket science. Bugatti keep a classic look.
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@@alunesh12345 Yeah but, what has Jesus done for me in the last 2000 years?
@@kizmetmars nothing
@@g09h I figured. Bosses son ey?
BMW is just moving on you cant make a car in 2022 that just looks like a tweaked car you made almost 20 years ago.
if we're talking about the worst aspects to car design we went from Pure Wedge in the 80s to a jelly bean in the 2000s to looking like a Gaming PC with wheels in the 2020s
I dont mind the cyberpunk look. Suprisingly Porche looks cyberpunk already with its always on rear LED bar. As long as it looks consise. The new BMW designs dont make too much sense even for untrained eye. And thats coming from someone who really really likes the new Hyundai Tucson, that also managed to polarise people.
Yup - 2000's were _fat_. Jellybean is a great descriptor.
@@conflagrationTuesday pretty much all cars since the 90’s have been boring jellybeans with no style or beauty. That’s the whole reason why I am more partial to 80’s and older vehicles. As someone who is 23, I’d rather have something like a 1966 Oldsmobile 98 or a 1969 Mercury Marquis than something from the jellybean age.
@@dfd6787 Speaking of Hyundai I wish I can like Hyundai as a company but they always manage to make BUTT ugly cars no matter what. Like the only car I would accept would be the Genesis coupe but everything else up until now they never stop making it lookin so ugly its trying to find its own identity.
@@EnhancedTrashBin Props for them on experimenting though. I personally like them more than dislike, but I definitely see your point. The new Tucson and Ioniq are my favourite designs so far, but the new Genesis design language is also pretty good.
I remember coming back from the beach last year and seeing the IX, and I legit stood there for a minute trying to figure out where this came from, because I hadn’t seen a bmw like that before, yeah we had an x5 but that looked different
Is it only me how actually thinks the BMW XM is nice? It’s not that ugly tbh, it has a futuristic look, like it’s from a sci fi movie, the same consept Hyundai is adopting recently.
I know, from certain angles new cars look like they have been in an accident!
BMW grills are looks like Nose but now the Nose is too oversized now it's a Bunny Teeth or a giant Nose idk
It's all those seemingly random creases in the sheet metal. Designers call it "flame surfacing." And yes, it makes some new cars look as if they've been in an accident even before they leave the factory.
In addition to the design concepts he mentioned, good car design should be clean and uncluttered. Many of these have too many angles and protrusions, presumably in an effort to disguise cheap construction.
Tbh I like the old civic type r. It's design is crazy and overdone and reminds me of when I would draw cars as a kid with 4 spoilers. I love it.
I've always hated the 'bubble' smooth designs of cars that have been the hallmark of car design for 30 years. Even if they are more aerodynamic I wanted something with interesting angles that caught the eye. The BMW car hits those marks for me personally and am interested to see how this style develops if it catches on.
The problem is that all the classic nice looking styling concepts have already been used in the past. Car designers have a terrible fear of their designs being called "old fashioned" or "dated" or "stale". Apparently "looking like something from 2012" is the worst thing that could happen to a car owner today, even if that 2012 car looked great. So they have to come up with something new no matter how hideous it is. It's all an offshoot of our superficial world today where absolutely everything is judged on what it "looks like" as opposed to how well it does it's job. I even see reviews on guns now where the reviewer babbles about how the weapon in question is "ugly" or "pretty", like it makes the slightest difference LOL!
for me, a car being ugly or not is because of one reason, its presence, when you see a ferrari, you know its a hand made car thats exudes status, a Lamborghini is a well made car that exudes status due to performance(not saying some feraris arent monsters under the hood, some definitely are), 911s, GTRs and Corvettes are cars that scream i want something with super power but more reliable, and old school American muscle is just raw power, mind you all of this is my opinion
Like geneticists say about mutation: "Only a few ways to do something right, countless ways to do it wrong".
@@stevenscott2136 True. Which explains why almost all fish (and whales) are fish shaped, and almost all jetliners look alike except for number and location of engines, regardless of who makes them. Completely non-functional things like tail fins on cars can look any way the stylist's fevered imagination wants them to look, of course.
I mean guns can depend if you want to have a weapon to always carry with you or something then it can very well be nice looking
Its sad that people see vehicles as a status and wealth symbol now more than ever. Hell I would love to even own a car right now.
Love the video! I'd say that over time, cars in general have gotten more and more 'angular' and more 'aggressive' in their design. Having something that stands out compared to the standard teardrop design.
yeah, most cars i see now have these ugly sharp edges everywhere, older round or more boxy designs look a lot better imo
And to stand out from the herd, designers have to get ever more extreme.
@@tadeo517 agreed
5:50 Illustrating "boxy car design" with picture of F40... That's enough bullshit from one video.
The fact that they have animated turn signals like Audi and mustangs should tell you about the direction of design . It’s not meant for you to enjoy it’s to grab the attention of others to Bg post sales. Imagine paying for an animated turn signal that you can’t even see
@3:15 it is like a BMW version of the AZTEK
On the BMW EVs, the grilles are just a plastic cover. They serve no other purpose than being ugly.
They serve a purpose on sharing the same platform and production line with both EV & ICE cars soo that way BMW can cut corners and save money.
@@Neojhun Not really. The bumper covers come out of different molds, so they're not exactly saving money there.
Regular painted plastic is cheaper to produce than that fancy grille, so again they're not saving money.
And it does not take that much time to design a different size/form of a component without any function but looks.
@@panzerveps it’s to preserve the same design language
@@sufferr2914 BMW already broke a line in their Design language... never before did the Kidne grille went through the Front Bumper, it has always stayed above it. for pretty much the entire History of BMW. well, until relatively recently. so they acted contrary to their own design language.
@@unitrader403 Yeah but at least its still there
But what i dont get is fake exhaust tips or fake air intakes this stuff gets me on trees man
SUVs and SUVs imitations should be banned not only on safety grounds, but also on aesthetics.
Thanks to stating something I have been saying for years now: the body lines of cars are getting uglier and too many pointless features.
I think Audi has very consistent and timeless design language.
They had a bit of a stint in the 2000s where their cars werent that great looking
@@dusti7005 nayyy all were pretty but fuckijng hard to work on or do anything to
If they would stay a bit away from the oversized led lights it would be better.
I agree, but even Audi has started to dabble with overdone detailing. Lots of facets and unnecessary angles replacing their classic flowing lines.
Weren’t looks subjective? As an Italian i find Alfa Romeo’s design boring but I don’t mind at all the latest from BMW.
The Chinese are very strange in how they purchase things. I worked in a bakery dept of a large grocery chain, and whenever customers would ask for assistance it would be things like "Oh, is this icing really rich?" or "Is the sponge dry?", right? But then Chinese people would come up and 100% of the time ask "Which is the most popular?". Like they literally don't give a shit about how it tastes or what it is, so long as it's popular. They would also freak out if you put a 50% sticker on what they bought, even though it's the day before the best before date. They can't possibly let their guests know they're serving them half-priced baked goods, as they have to keep up the appearances of luxury and wealth.
This is why corporations love pandering to Chinese (and Middle Eastern) people, because so many of us in the west are rejecting that type of nonsense. We laugh at a lot of the bullshit that they pay top dollar for, just so they can say they can pay top dollar.
0:22 im glad im not the only one who found the Nissan Juke design ugly
80s are my favorite era. Conquest TSI, MK2 and MK3 Supra. Period.
I think the 90s Toyota Celica with pop up headlights are pretty, I wish modern cars still had pop up headlights!
I've been holding back on buying a new car simply because they're all ugly. I refuse to spend my money on the current crop and will stick with my old Nissan until things improve. However, with everything going electric I do wonder if all new cars will forever look like spaceships, have we entered a new wave of design that's going to become more angular and extreme as time goes by?
My thoughts exactly. Sticking with my old RAV4
I think angular vs. curvy styling will be a pendulum that swings back and forth forever. I doubt it has much to do with the car being electric.
@Yippee Skippy Not if you look at it next to what it's trying to be lol
...since I wrote my last comment, Hyundai revealed the Ioniq 6 which has rounded styling reminiscent of a Porsche 911, on the heels of the Ioniq 5 which looked like a creased box. Clearly they're playing around with all the possibilities. (Need to ethically source their parts though, but that's another story.)
@@MattMcIrvin I ended up purchasing a new Jeep Renegade, not perfect but they look great, they're quirky, and they tick all my requirements. I never thought I'd buy a Jeep but there we go 🙂
One factor I've thought about with this is that car makers want to put being "with the times" ahead of everything else - ahead of a coherent design language, ahead of looking in any way good, and so on. And ahead of being distinct from other manufacturers. There seems to be a sort of universal design language of every era, which almost feels as though the manufacturers cooperate on. So much that pretty much anyone can tell if a car is brand new, 5 years, 10 years, 20, etc old, regardless of condition. I suspect they might even, and are doing so more and more in recent decades, to fight against their common greatest foe: Their own 5 year old cars. As functionally valuable (anything any consumer actually cares about) year-over-year improvements slow down, consumers feel less incentive to buy new cars when their own 5 year old car, or a low-mileage 5 year old car on a used car lot, seems just as good and way cheaper. So car makers want to have the latest styling - whatever it is, even if it's hideous - in order to make that look new, and by extension older cars look outdated. To motivate people to buy newer cars to look "up with the times," "keeping up with the Joneses," or whatever. This is what it looks like to me anyway, as a driver of a classic Beetle from the '70s, which in turn had made only functional (rather than aesthetic) changes since 1938.
Fantastic observation and basically answers this video and modern generational visual design evolution in general. The look of tech. Fashion. Automobiles heck even website design
It used to be that design trends followed the customer’s preferences, now it seems that customers have taken on the “consumer” persona and now don’t make demands they just buy whatever is offered
BMWs have never looked good to me after the era of the E46, Z3, Gen 1 Z4, and the Z8
Someone ran a stop sign and totaled my 2019 Yaris last week.. I thought that car was beautiful. It was also the only small car in the market with a manual transmission with logical gear ratios. It was well built, fun to drive and super cost effective. I loved it. Looking at the market now, just a few years later, makes me sick. Here in the US, the only palatable small cars left are the Hyundai Accent and Kia Rio. (Especially the Rio hatchback!) But alas, they have lost their manual transmission options and are not a sports car in disguise the way my Mazda made Yaris was. I'll have to find a used one. 😪
@pyropulse It was a blind intersection where I had the right of way. I couldn't see them coming and they blew through their stop sign going at least 20mph. I am a skilled driver with lots of autocross under my belt. But with well under a second and both of us moving, there was nothing that could be done.
Yet another victim of poor US road design
"Why did you let them hit you" has the same energy as "Stop being depressed, just cheer up!"
@@DeadlyTigers or "why did you let them stab/shoot you?"
@@DeadlyTigers or "it was what you were wearing"