How on earth did the referee miss these fouls...? Shane Van Boening SVB Jayson Shaw Earl Strickland Mario He Uncalled Fouls & Bad Sportsmanship | Pool #pool #9ball #foul
I read on the rules when I was talking trash, that if there's a small gap, as long as your stick is above 45 degrees, you're allowed to shoot towards it without a push foul being called.. seems kinda funny to me.
that said he should have felt it giving his other senses are in a magnitude state. hes done this stuff his whole career. we called him on it in a tournament in tunica. when theres real money on the line that bs doesnt stand.
I'd argue he even hit it. to me it looks like he had side on the white and it bends just at the same time he lifted the cue above it, which made it look like it struck the cue
If the balls are touching, they become one object, therefor a push is not a double hit. however if there is any space between the two, it is a foul. so it makes it difficult to call some of these if we dont know if theyre frozen
Holy shit Shaw was fucking furious. Then Strickland goes around acting like a damn toddler slamming his cue on the ground just to get his way.. if someone gets that upset maybe think hmmm it was possible that I could have messed up but nah Strickland doing Strickland things.
Not unusual for the strickland scrub to be throwing a tantrum like always, he just a spoilt brat with nothing but average pool play, he tried tp piss off some of the greats like Steve Davis (proven 8 time world champion in snooker), that kind of disrespect only deserves to be throw nout in the garbage, really should just ban this guy from all competition in ANY sport or game
Some notes for the people in the comments: 1. You can shoot through the cue ball and object ball if they are frozen. The balls must be declared to be frozen prior to the shot to take advantage of this rule. If you don't declare them frozen, even if they are frozen, any applicable double hit or push fouls apply. 2. If the cue ball and object ball are very close to each other, but not frozen, the cue ball chasing after the object ball even a tiny amount is a very good indicator that a double hit took place. 3. The few exceptions are if you apply enough top spin to get the cue ball moving after stopping in that tiny space, cross face english where the cue ball is deflected sideways before going forward, and jumping the cue ball so it glances off the top of the object ball. The movement of these types of shots is very distinct from a double hit, so it is usually easy to tell the difference. 4. 45 degrees makes no difference in the wpa rules. Some shitty league rules or whatever may say otherwise, but they are not the official rules. 5. A push foul is a completely different type of foul from a double hit. It consists of prolonging the tip contact on the cue ball and is pretty rare. I don't think any of the shots here would qualify as push fouls. 6. Old timers used different rules regarding double hits. Modern rules regarding them have only been in place since the 90's or so.
The 45° rule applies to derby coty classic. I’m their rules it is perfectly legal to double hit/push as long as you elevate your cue 45°. Otherwise everything you said is spot on
@@lntrlp4936 That's a double hit. Dr. Dave had a good video explaining the difference. It's called everything you need to know about fouls or something like that.
@@LostinYTblackhole in upa, the 45 degree rule is so that the shot isnt *automatically* ruled a push/double cue. certainly if you double cue/push despite raising your cue 45 degrees it's still a foul.
I play in local tournaments and occasionally see someone foul but I wait for them to call it. If they don't, I know I'm playing against a cheater. I let it slide because I play for fun, not money or glory and, at 82, I don't need to get into a fight. I found the same thing with golf, sailboat racing and even cards. Most people do the right thing in sports but not all do.
I have to admit some of the push shots you called are quite questionable. when the balls are touching the line between foul and leagl shot becomes thin. Like Shane's shot on 2:15.. I looked ok to me.
@@seda12I think you're talking about the wrong kind of push shot. The push shot they're talking about it is when you extend the time of contact onto the cue ball with the tip of your cue, you're literally pushing the cue ball with your cue. The push shot you're referring to is when you are given the opportunity to push out after the break on 9 ball or 10 ball. Two very different things
Ya know, if cue ball is frozen to object ball, you're allowed to stroke through it with a normal stroke. Most ppl don't know this, in official WPA rules.
7.9 Double Hit If the cue tip strikes the cue ball twice on the same stroke, it is a ball in hand foul. In order to avoid a double hit, the cue ball must be struck at a minimum of a 45° angle whenever in contact with or riskily close (1/2 inch or closer) to the intended object ball.
You are calling things push shot fouls that are not. It is perfectly legal to hit into balls frozen together, so long as there isn't prolonged contact or a double hit with the cue.
I know Jennifer Baretta personally and she has good sportsmanship and I don't think she would ever NOT call a foul on herself so I would definitely give her the benefit of the doubt that she didn't realize it. After all her opponent didn't notice it either.
In most or all of the push shot clips it’s unclear if the cue ball and object ball were touching. Whenever the cue ball and object ball are touching there is no foul because it’s physically impossible for a “push” shot to not occur.
@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight if it was a double touch then the ball wouldn’t have stayed on the line lol, you’re arguing “my eyes are seeing it!” vs basic physics lmao
I remember watching that Bustamante's shot live on ESPN back in the day, gotta be the biggest controversy in televised pool ever. He even went on to have a private chat with the organizer after this situation (since PH hosted the WPC that year). However, I still think it's possible that the white hit two balls at the same time. Anyhow, Peach went on to win the cup lol.
@@strikermurda No, most weren't. If you ever have seen Dr. Dave Billiards slow mo shots of these exact ones you would see. Yes, some were because the cue wasn't elevated enough and they allowed for some angle when it wasn't needed.
@Nomma Rillnaim it wouldn't have been a foul either, because pocketing uncalled balls it's not a foul, just loss of turn. However I agree that he obviously meant the 10, so he didn't want to take advantage in fraudolent way
If Im not sure that I double hit a ball and they don’t call a foul I usually don’t call it on myself. But if they call a foul I will always trust them and give them ball in hand.
Thats only if there is a push rule. If a ball is frozen to cue ball technically every shot where you would make contact would be a push shot. As long as you are jacked up past a certain angle it is legal.
With some of the elevated shots, even if you play the white without an object ball anywhere near it, the cue ball first goes forward and then comes back, without a push happening. I dont think shane's 2nd shot was a push
WRONG. HERE IS THE RULE: IF THE CUEBALL AND THE OBJECT BALL ARE NOT TOUCHING, THEN THE CUEBALL, CANNOT INVADE THE SPACE WHERE THE OBJECT BALL IS LYING, WHILE THE CUE IS STILL TOUCHING THE CUE-BALL. IF THE CUE-BALL AND OBJECT BALL ARE TOUCHING, YOU CAN PUSH RIGHT ON THROUGH, AS LONG AS THE OBJECT BALL DOESNT CONTRACT ANOTHER BALL, OR, THE CUEBALL CONTACTS ANOTHER BALL WHILE "PUSHING THROUGH". Take it to the bank. I been playing pool for 31 years and have played at a professional level.
I don’t know how someone think that it is not a foul when the cue is in an angle of 45 degrees. The official WPA clearly says: A double hit is avoided when the stroking-line (extended to the table) of the cue doesn’t not go through the objectball. All other “rules” are not the official.
@@strikermurda its true tho cause the only legal jumpshot is with an 45° angle on the cue a "scoop jumpshot" is not allowed because thats always a double hit on the cue ball
First shot. Where was the "obvious double contact"?? You put the arrow at the intended pocket, instead of putting the arrow where the supposed double contact was.
Look at the space between the cue ball and the two balls next to it, if he pushes through anymore than that distance he will 100% make double contact, hence why the cue ball jumps, goes forward, then draws back.
that first hit is debatable because if you look at the tangent line of the 10 ball, it goes into the 8 ball which after hitting the 8 ball the tangent line would be the same path that the ball went.
@5:40 usually that is not considered a cue ball foul. The opponent may place the 8 ball back where believes it stood, but it isn’t generally called a foul
He already replied to you but I still thought I should clear it up. If the balls are frozen together, it is 100% legal to hit into them in all rules and regulations excluding APA & EPA. Also youre mixing the definition of push and double hit. Push fouls are incredibly rare, so rare I’ve never seen or heard of one from professionals. That’s when you use an irregular stroke and make contact. For example that would be if I lined my shot up and then touched my cue tip on the ball then pushed forward. Push shots, are not actual shots, they are pushes. So anytime someone strikes at a ball it can’t be a push. Double hit occurs when there is any gap in between the cue ball and object ball. If there is any gap no matter how small it will result in a double hit
@@cuesportclips11 3.23FOULS BY DOUBLE HITS If the cue ball is touching the required object ball prior to the shot, the player may shoot toward it, providing that any normal stroke is employed.
@@cuesportclips11 - Well….you’re disagreeing with the official BCA rule book….because that’s where I copied/pasted from. So you can disagree as to whether or not it should be the rule. But it IS the rule.
I was there in the crowd for this and everybody was whispering to each other... There was a sigh of relief from Beretta when Laurie John took her shot after that... Cheater.
Some of these are close to not being fouls, or a bit debatable. But some are obvious and it is stunning they were allowed. I have no doubt some of the guys that committed fouls knew they were fouls and said nothing - which is bad sportsmanship. There is no possible way Strickland didn't know he hit the nine ball when jumping. It was right in front of him and so obvious.
Didn't the old-timers play by a different rule regarding push shots? What Jimmy Caras did and Irving Crane did might not have been illegal back then. But I'm not sure. I wasn't around. Anybody know?
I get that Earl is up there in the best players our sport has seen but it’s rly hard to respect him when he smashes his cue against stuff and things like that. Seen too many clips of that. It’s just immature.
Second one is hard to call foul. Physically, it was a push-through yes. But the trick is to jack up the butt end of the cue on that type of shot and it's considered a good shot. This is by convention. In tournaments or money game.
You can do what SVB did and jump from very close. The cueball hits the object ball on the way up and moves up and forward because the contact point is above center on the object ball. The cue never moves forward and the cueball only moves forward. So no double hit. Execution is everything though, easy to mess up and still foul.
@Ville Mäkinen when I have done it there was no ding or click. It just jumps up and away and strikes the object ball just above center so it goes a bit forward. They do need to be .25 to an inch away. It comes up very rarely though. Maybe once in a million shots literally.
Btw .. Earl called the 10 ball, it’s obvious that the 2 ball doesn’t have a pocket and if you see the full video you can tell Earl is playing the 10 from The beginning. Jason in the other hand acted like a lil kid with no respect for the game or Earl but that’s a case of his own.
sorry man I think the first shot was clean maybe double contact on the 8? because it seemed to be travelling tangelt line of the 12 but then again it seemed to hit the 8 second and double hit on the 8
not necessarily clear, especially without slow mo replay. usually the objective is to avoid double hitting first ball, opponent and shooter might not even be thinking about double hitting a second ball
You call foul on everything right I believe it's your opinion not necessarily the rules of the table that each incident have are a little different they may call cue ball foul only not necessarily all ball foul double hits/push shots are not always called depending on rules of the table at the time a lot will say if you elevate 45° or more not considered a foul and I doubt back in the day they had the understanding of the push or double hits and this is just my opinion anyway 😉
I personally call my own fouls... In the words of Willie Masconi, "Pool is a game of royalty." I hold myself to that level of sportsmanship. Pool and golf are two of the only sports that I know of that you can call your own fouls or penalties during high level competition. It's unfortunate that more people don't hold themselves to that standard. After checking the rules, they state that a pool player isn't required to call his or her own penalties, yet watching professionals not ending their turn when they know deep down inside they made a mistake is disappointing.
If I was gambling and the opponent didn't notice the foul it's on them. Like the jennifer baretta example, loree jon should of saw their was no rail contact. If its going to be a questionable hit whether a push or two balls close together you get an a third party to watch the hit.
Do you call your own fouls?
I read on the rules when I was talking trash, that if there's a small gap, as long as your stick is above 45 degrees, you're allowed to shoot towards it without a push foul being called.. seems kinda funny to me.
yes
Always
I disagree with you on the shots where the players shoot down on the ball when the cue ball is touching the object ball. IT IS NOT A FOUL!!
@@w.peters9548 you can't tell if it's touching by camera angle or not. But like I said
“Shane’s cue touches the cue ball, no way he didn’t see, hear or feel this”
I’d argue there’s a legit reason Shane doesn’t hear lots of things.
😂😂😂 ikr
you dont have to hear, unless he cant feel
that said he should have felt it giving his other senses are in a magnitude state. hes done this stuff his whole career. we called him on it in a tournament in tunica. when theres real money on the line that bs doesnt stand.
I'd argue he even hit it. to me it looks like he had side on the white and it bends just at the same time he lifted the cue above it, which made it look like it struck the cue
Ok but he would have felt it for sure
You use the word "clearly" in every clip but it just isn't 'clearly' at all, just your opinion lol.
Was pretty clear to me and DrdaveBilliards
Not only his opinion but he's objectively wrong
Not wrong at all
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@@cuesportclips11 Well that pretty much sums it up.
If the balls are touching, they become one object, therefor a push is not a double hit. however if there is any space between the two, it is a foul. so it makes it difficult to call some of these if we dont know if theyre frozen
Holy shit Shaw was fucking furious. Then Strickland goes around acting like a damn toddler slamming his cue on the ground just to get his way.. if someone gets that upset maybe think hmmm it was possible that I could have messed up but nah Strickland doing Strickland things.
Seen Scottish players snap there cues before but that’s usually after they have won 😂 Ask Jayson about Christopher Slack
Not unusual for the strickland scrub to be throwing a tantrum like always, he just a spoilt brat with nothing but average pool play, he tried tp piss off some of the greats like Steve Davis (proven 8 time world champion in snooker), that kind of disrespect only deserves to be throw nout in the garbage, really should just ban this guy from all competition in ANY sport or game
Some notes for the people in the comments:
1. You can shoot through the cue ball and object ball if they are frozen. The balls must be declared to be frozen prior to the shot to take advantage of this rule. If you don't declare them frozen, even if they are frozen, any applicable double hit or push fouls apply.
2. If the cue ball and object ball are very close to each other, but not frozen, the cue ball chasing after the object ball even a tiny amount is a very good indicator that a double hit took place.
3. The few exceptions are if you apply enough top spin to get the cue ball moving after stopping in that tiny space, cross face english where the cue ball is deflected sideways before going forward, and jumping the cue ball so it glances off the top of the object ball. The movement of these types of shots is very distinct from a double hit, so it is usually easy to tell the difference.
4. 45 degrees makes no difference in the wpa rules. Some shitty league rules or whatever may say otherwise, but they are not the official rules.
5. A push foul is a completely different type of foul from a double hit. It consists of prolonging the tip contact on the cue ball and is pretty rare. I don't think any of the shots here would qualify as push fouls.
6. Old timers used different rules regarding double hits. Modern rules regarding them have only been in place since the 90's or so.
The 45° rule applies to derby coty classic. I’m their rules it is perfectly legal to double hit/push as long as you elevate your cue 45°. Otherwise everything you said is spot on
4:35 seems like a classic push shot to me.
@@lntrlp4936 your understanding of push and double hit are swapped around.
@@lntrlp4936 That's a double hit. Dr. Dave had a good video explaining the difference. It's called everything you need to know about fouls or something like that.
@@LostinYTblackhole in upa, the 45 degree rule is so that the shot isnt *automatically* ruled a push/double cue. certainly if you double cue/push despite raising your cue 45 degrees it's still a foul.
That last one made me think I was at my local pub on a Friday night with all the 18yr olds thinking they can play pool how ‘they’ play it 😂
Love the channel, great vid, keep them coming.
I play in local tournaments and occasionally see someone foul but I wait for them to call it. If they don't, I know I'm playing against a cheater. I let it slide because I play for fun, not money or glory and, at 82, I don't need to get into a fight. I found the same thing with golf, sailboat racing and even cards. Most people do the right thing in sports but not all do.
You as the opponent should be paying attention and calling the foulsz
I agree with you, that's how I play too. The first ones free, from there I know what to look for
lol... it's the worst in Tennis. People see the ball out or on the line, depending on how it suites them.
Strickland never misses an opportunity to be the lesser human.
Nice video , please make more of these.
I have to admit some of the push shots you called are quite questionable. when the balls are touching the line between foul and leagl shot becomes thin. Like Shane's shot on 2:15.. I looked ok to me.
Yes I have to agree with you how tf is this a push shot
when theyre playing 9 or 10 ball, you dont have to call a push shot unless its 8 ball. very one way view from the creator
@@seda12I think you're talking about the wrong kind of push shot. The push shot they're talking about it is when you extend the time of contact onto the cue ball with the tip of your cue, you're literally pushing the cue ball with your cue. The push shot you're referring to is when you are given the opportunity to push out after the break on 9 ball or 10 ball. Two very different things
The one that’s really obviously good is at 6:52
those are totally 2 different things lol @@ryanmoon05
0:41 that's a legal shot
Nope
Ya know, if cue ball is frozen to object ball, you're allowed to stroke through it with a normal stroke. Most ppl don't know this, in official WPA rules.
7.9 Double Hit
If the cue tip strikes the cue ball twice on the same stroke, it is a ball in hand foul. In order to avoid a double hit, the cue ball must be struck at a minimum of a 45° angle whenever in contact with or riskily close (1/2 inch or closer) to the intended object ball.
Most pool players do 'know this', especially if they have experienced the situation.
There are some minor variations based on which rules are in effect. Dr. Dave has a good video on a couple of cases.
This is a wrong rule. As good as hitting the cue ball more than once.
@@kshgarg1 Actually when one strikes a frozen pair it is very hard to double hit unless you actually try to do it.
You are calling things push shot fouls that are not. It is perfectly legal to hit into balls frozen together, so long as there isn't prolonged contact or a double hit with the cue.
That first shot was clean. The reason the cue appears to follow forward is that it actually jumps off the edge of the OB diagonally.
You know he's hitting the 8ball first right?
@@mike8bp802 you know what straight pool is right?
@@markdalpha you know why its a foul when he hits the 8ball first?
So I guess Mike 8bp doesn't know what straight pool is.
@@mike8bp802 my dude you aren't winning this argument, look up straight pool genius.
"no way he didn't hear this" 8^) shane with his airpods off
Don’t misquote me if you can, thanks.
I know Jennifer Baretta personally and she has good sportsmanship and I don't think she would ever NOT call a foul on herself so I would definitely give her the benefit of the doubt that she didn't realize it. After all her opponent didn't notice it either.
In most or all of the push shot clips it’s unclear if the cue ball and object ball were touching. Whenever the cue ball and object ball are touching there is no foul because it’s physically impossible for a “push” shot to not occur.
Good for the Scotsman calling this bullshine out!
and that jump push from Shane... ppssssshhh...
The Filler shot in the Mosconi Cup was definitely a clean hit, the ball traveled on the tangent line and then the follow took
Agreed
Absolutely not. His tip hit the cue ball twice. Clearly visible too. Set your video playback to 0.25 speed and watch it again.
@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight nope. Wrong
@@toziassmitt Yes, you are... wrong. Shouldn't it be T Gurl?
@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight if it was a double touch then the ball wouldn’t have stayed on the line lol, you’re arguing “my eyes are seeing it!” vs basic physics lmao
I remember watching that Bustamante's shot live on ESPN back in the day, gotta be the biggest controversy in televised pool ever. He even went on to have a private chat with the organizer after this situation (since PH hosted the WPC that year). However, I still think it's possible that the white hit two balls at the same time. Anyhow, Peach went on to win the cup lol.
Look like he the 9 1st.
You really think that's a bigger controversy than Buddy Hall dumping to Mike LeBron??
Even at regular speed you see the 9 move first
Hit the 9 first by a mile. Look at how much speed the 9 ball had compared to the other object ball.
No no no. He started with 9 ball,
Most of your push shots were wrong except the bank ,that was a push
No,bad
these were all fouls
@@strikermurda No, most weren't. If you ever have seen Dr. Dave Billiards slow mo shots of these exact ones you would see. Yes, some were because the cue wasn't elevated enough and they allowed for some angle when it wasn't needed.
@@seyumaiayami3536 elevation of the cue does not matter. A double hit is a foul no matter the angle of your cue. This isn't an amateur pool league.
@@strikermurda no shit.
If the balls are frozen it’s not a push. As long as you don’t double hit the cue ball!
Earl is a huge cheat
@Nomma Rillnaim it wouldn't have been a foul either, because pocketing uncalled balls it's not a foul, just loss of turn.
However I agree that he obviously meant the 10, so he didn't want to take advantage in fraudolent way
I need the glasses you use brother, you make more push calls than a sumo wrestling
Bustamante clearly hit the 9ball first...he even stops to look at it and then proceeds to except that it was legal because nobody said anything...lol
Actually jumping into the ball when it’s that close is one way to avoid the double hit…
Did you know that in the "color of money" somebody made a foul and got away😂!
"No way he didn't see, hear or feel this" well you can take hear off that list where Shane is deaf lol
He’s not 100% deaf
@@cuesportclips11 He's 97% deaf. He uses a hearing aid.
Learn the rules before you post a video calling people out as cheaters.
Where in the video did I say people were cheating? Yeah that’s what I thought 🤡
Clip two
The shooter jacked up to 45 degrees and the cue ball did not travel forward more than 3 inches,, it was a perfect shot
that's an amateur league rule and not the professional rule.
@@strikermurda
Oh really
Lmfao
The second was clean
No way
@@cuesportclips11 yes way
It was a push shot, there was a gap between the balls.
@@cuesportclips11 i did not saw any gap
That sounds like a you problem.
If Im not sure that I double hit a ball and they don’t call a foul I usually don’t call it on myself. But if they call a foul I will always trust them and give them ball in hand.
Thats only if there is a push rule. If a ball is frozen to cue ball technically every shot where you would make contact would be a push shot. As long as you are jacked up past a certain angle it is legal.
In this video: person who created it clearly doesn’t know what a “push shot” in pool is.
Lots of these clips are push shots indeed, but no foul since it is allowed
a push shot is only legal when the cue ball and object ball are completely frozen. other wise push shots are not allowed.
This sport needs VAR
One nation dominates this part.. 🤣
Can you explain what is push shot
With some of the elevated shots, even if you play the white without an object ball anywhere near it, the cue ball first goes forward and then comes back, without a push happening. I dont think shane's 2nd shot was a push
WRONG. HERE IS THE RULE: IF THE CUEBALL AND THE OBJECT BALL ARE NOT TOUCHING, THEN THE CUEBALL, CANNOT INVADE THE SPACE WHERE THE OBJECT BALL IS LYING, WHILE THE CUE IS STILL TOUCHING THE CUE-BALL. IF THE CUE-BALL AND OBJECT BALL ARE TOUCHING, YOU CAN PUSH RIGHT ON THROUGH, AS LONG AS THE OBJECT BALL DOESNT CONTRACT ANOTHER BALL, OR, THE CUEBALL CONTACTS ANOTHER BALL WHILE "PUSHING THROUGH". Take it to the bank. I been playing pool for 31 years and have played at a professional level.
Wrong
That 8 ball touch was clear which is why he initially jerked his head toward the 8 because he knew he hit it
You clearly don’t understand what a “push shot” is
You clearly don’t have the eye sight to see that these balls aren’t touching, meaning it 100% is a push shot.
@@cuesportclips11 there is no way the 3 shots at 30s, 2mins and 7mins are push shots.
@@AintLoyalNK he loves arguing with people and then blocking them fyi
But you are 100% correct. Many of these weren’t fouls
Damn that earl vs shaw scene doesnt get old. Very controversial indeed.
can you explain what that was about? the video?sound isnt at all the best.
1:49 there is a way he didn't hear it
I don’t know how someone think that it is not a foul when the cue is in an angle of 45 degrees. The official WPA clearly says: A double hit is avoided when the stroking-line (extended to the table) of the cue doesn’t not go through the objectball. All other “rules” are not the official.
If that were true then every single jump shot would be a foul.
@@brandonmoore5142 how do you come to this conclusion.
Incorrect
@@strikermurda its true tho cause the only legal jumpshot is with an 45° angle on the cue a "scoop jumpshot" is not allowed because thats always a double hit on the cue ball
CLEARLY SVB is deaf dawg he didn’t hear shit
What about feel & see, “dawg”?
Usually your opponent knows it's no rail or call it out themselves
It should be a 'gentlemans' game. Call your own fouls. Admit when you miss your pocket.
I don't think you know what an illegal push shot is.
Well seeing as these balls aren’t frozen, they are all push shots, now what?
@@cuesportclips11 You still don't know.
@@billpii6314 I sure do
@@billpii6314 thanks for responding 6 months later
Obviously the person making this video doesn't know what's considered a good hit vs foul.
Yea I do
First shot. Where was the "obvious double contact"?? You put the arrow at the intended pocket, instead of putting the arrow where the supposed double contact was.
I didn’t put the arrow there at all. Never assume.
Look at the space between the cue ball and the two balls next to it, if he pushes through anymore than that distance he will 100% make double contact, hence why the cue ball jumps, goes forward, then draws back.
This is like basketball you do not call your own fouls that is the referees job
This is a legal shot, if the balls are frozen.
that first hit is debatable because if you look at the tangent line of the 10 ball, it goes into the 8 ball which after hitting the 8 ball the tangent line would be the same path that the ball went.
If the 1 was frozen to the cueball it was a good hit… I assume it was because that ref is experienced but we couldn’t see
Shane’s Masse on the 10 ball. You could clearly hear the shaft make contact after the shot.
shane is more times then anyone, totaly unsportsmanship player
The push rule wasnt introduced in those old clips so tot yem it wasn't illegal.
Damn! I'll never set foot in a pool hall again...the push shot is m y best and most often used shot. I just don't see it as that on some of these..
the cheating bastards once caught cheating you should always be watched in case you cheat again
are you blind on bustamante shot, that was clear good.
Nah it was clearly a foul, hence why it got reversed, thanks for the attitude though 🤡
His mouth probably said two, but it did look like he was shooting at the 10.
those aren't push shots, they're double hits. push shots are different.
What’s the difference? They’re the same thing
isn't push legal as long as cue ball and object ball are in contact?
Bro is commenting on games from the 20s
@5:40 usually that is not considered a cue ball foul. The opponent may place the 8 ball back where believes it stood, but it isn’t generally called a foul
Listen- when you spend years in a pool environment you’re not…playing. You’re playing .
Huh
You hustle
Some of those push shots might have been frozen to the object ball, making them legal shots. It's impossible to tell from the camera view.
I'm very much a new pool player, but are they still considered push fouls if they are frozen together and not an OBVIOUS push through?
They aren’t frozen together.
@@cuesportclips11 ahhhh. It looks as if they are in many cases. My point is invalid given they aren't.
He already replied to you but I still thought I should clear it up. If the balls are frozen together, it is 100% legal to hit into them in all rules and regulations excluding APA & EPA. Also youre mixing the definition of push and double hit. Push fouls are incredibly rare, so rare I’ve never seen or heard of one from professionals. That’s when you use an irregular stroke and make contact. For example that would be if I lined my shot up and then touched my cue tip on the ball then pushed forward. Push shots, are not actual shots, they are pushes. So anytime someone strikes at a ball it can’t be a push. Double hit occurs when there is any gap in between the cue ball and object ball. If there is any gap no matter how small it will result in a double hit
@@LostinYTblackhole everything you said is true except last sentence.
I don't think you know what a actual foul is because half of these are legit shots.
When the cue ball/object ball are frozen, a certain amount of “push” is legal.
Wrong
@@cuesportclips11 3.23FOULS BY DOUBLE HITS If the cue ball is touching the required object ball prior to the shot, the player may shoot toward it, providing that any normal stroke is employed.
Disagree
@@cuesportclips11 - Well….you’re disagreeing with the official BCA rule book….because that’s where I copied/pasted from. So you can disagree as to whether or not it should be the rule. But it IS the rule.
Completely disagree bro
That shot by bustamante is clearly a good shot. It's a very thin clean shot
No way, he hit the 9 first.
@@cuesportclips11 see the clip again the ball near 9 ball run >90°, if it's a bad shot it would go 90°+
No it is not.
Shane is deaf I know he didn’t hear it he turns off hearing aids
Can he feel or see?
Loree was looking dead at the balls, clearly no rail, her own fault, but Jennifer is that type of player
I was there in the crowd for this and everybody was whispering to each other...
There was a sigh of relief from Beretta when Laurie John took her shot after that... Cheater.
1:25 it looks like the 2 combos a ball into the rail at the last second. Our camera angle makes it hard to see, but it would be easy in person
I believe if the balls are kissing its not considered a push. But if there's a gap then it's a push
Some of these are close to not being fouls, or a bit debatable. But some are obvious and it is stunning they were allowed. I have no doubt some of the guys that committed fouls knew they were fouls and said nothing - which is bad sportsmanship. There is no possible way Strickland didn't know he hit the nine ball when jumping. It was right in front of him and so obvious.
Didn't the old-timers play by a different rule regarding push shots? What Jimmy Caras did and Irving Crane did might not have been illegal back then. But I'm not sure. I wasn't around. Anybody know?
They were legal shots back in their day
I get that Earl is up there in the best players our sport has seen but it’s rly hard to respect him when he smashes his cue against stuff and things like that. Seen too many clips of that. It’s just immature.
Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.
@@Welcome2Meap That's just as immature as Earl.
Nice staff, It's strange that Marcel did not call a foul in 2nd shot. He's good ref, foul was obvious
Dude. There were a few in here that weren't fouls. Just wow.
They were all fouls.
You do realize in BCA if the balls are frozen it's not a push... only if they are not frozen and you shoot into the object ball
if the balls are frozen, the push is ok, just need to get the cue out of the way which is possible when elevating the cue as they did
How is poor sportsmanship to not snitch on yourself lmao
It’s not. The bad sportsmanship is at the end, “LMAO”
Clip one
Contacting 2 balls at same or close to same time the call goes in favor of shooter
Second one is hard to call foul. Physically, it was a push-through yes. But the trick is to jack up the butt end of the cue on that type of shot and it's considered a good shot. This is by convention. In tournaments or money game.
6:52 this was obviously a good hit.
You can do what SVB did and jump from very close. The cueball hits the object ball on the way up and moves up and forward because the contact point is above center on the object ball. The cue never moves forward and the cueball only moves forward. So no double hit.
Execution is everything though, easy to mess up and still foul.
Yeah, but that ding sound comes when cue ball hits the shaft or the ferrule.
@Ville Mäkinen when I have done it there was no ding or click. It just jumps up and away and strikes the object ball just above center so it goes a bit forward. They do need to be .25 to an inch away. It comes up very rarely though. Maybe once in a million shots literally.
At 1:35, did you really say that Shane “no way didn’t hear it”??? Wow lol
No I didn’t say that, how could you possibly misquote me when the text is literally on the video?
@@cuesportclips11 ya you did… the text says “no way he didn’t see, hear or feel this…
There you go, I didn’t say “no way he didn’t hear it” did I? 🤡🤡🤡
Btw .. Earl called the 10 ball, it’s obvious that the 2 ball doesn’t have a pocket and if you see the full video you can tell Earl is playing the 10 from The beginning. Jason in the other hand acted like a lil kid with no respect for the game or Earl but that’s a case of his own.
It’s a call ball game, Earl called the 2, this was a foul. He even admitted it.
He called the 10
@@menaceledennis nope, he called the 2.
So what? If the ref or opponent didn't call it, it's accepted as good.
sorry man I think the first shot was clean
maybe double contact on the 8? because it seemed to be travelling tangelt line of the 12 but then again it seemed to hit the 8 second and double hit on the 8
not necessarily clear, especially without slow mo replay. usually the objective is to avoid double hitting first ball, opponent and shooter might not even be thinking about double hitting a second ball
Get your eyes checked asap.
Def not clean, illegal - get your eyes checked asap
Did you are absolutely clueless about fouls and what happens in the game. I honestly saw three legit fouls
You realise there is not one frozen ball in this video? There is a gap between each ball. Therefore they are all push shots.
he loves arguing with people and then blocking them fyi
You call foul on everything right I believe it's your opinion not necessarily the rules of the table that each incident have are a little different they may call cue ball foul only not necessarily all ball foul double hits/push shots are not always called depending on rules of the table at the time a lot will say if you elevate 45° or more not considered a foul and I doubt back in the day they had the understanding of the push or double hits and this is just my opinion anyway 😉
Lol some of these obvious push shots are obviously not
No
Calling these poor sportsmanship is just asinine
I personally call my own fouls...
In the words of Willie Masconi, "Pool is a game of royalty."
I hold myself to that level of sportsmanship. Pool and golf are two of the only sports that I know of that you can call your own fouls or penalties during high level competition. It's unfortunate that more people don't hold themselves to that standard.
After checking the rules, they state that a pool player isn't required to call his or her own penalties, yet watching professionals not ending their turn when they know deep down inside they made a mistake is disappointing.
Good thing most of these clips are not even push shots
@@ryanwysocki6437 every single one of them is but the filler shot is probably not
I'd say the sportsmanship in snooker is light years ahead of pool and I love both games.
If I was gambling and the opponent didn't notice the foul it's on them. Like the jennifer baretta example, loree jon should of saw their was no rail contact. If its going to be a questionable hit whether a push or two balls close together you get an a third party to watch the hit.