@@ceretomer5987 the embarrassment is, he’s the team leader and doesn’t know the rule. That’s what you should be irked about. But go ahead and hate the rule instead. That makes sense.
I was at the event and believe me the pressure the players were under must have been unbearable,JJ is human and all humans make mistakes,hats off to both teams they put on a great show,roll on vegas
@@stevesmith7843 if you watched a later match in the event, Europe asked for the cue ball yo be cleaned and the ref stopped the clock.... so, don't know what you're getting at here. They were biased.
@@bradleyburton2664 possibly. haven't seen that match, the rules should obviously be applied equally. did they ask for their extension? or after this incident was there a re writing of the rule for future clarification?
@@bradleyburton2664 the ref explained what happened. initially when a ball gets cleaned, it was before a shot is about to be made. Jeremy made the mistake of wasting a lot of time thinking, going down on the shot, stopping and requesting the ball to be cleaned with 12 seconds left. it was the lack of concentration on Jeremy's part. even the ref was rushing to clean the ball knowing the time hasn't stopped and Jeremy still didn't get the memo.
he even quited down the crowd on the last 9, as if he’s just rushing to get this rack done to go comfort jj. I love how the whole eu team was there for jj, such an emotional moment in cue sports ✊
Feel for JJ too what a game of Pool. Not the way Europe wanted to win at all. Hollow victory tbf I admit and I'm sure the US will bounce back from this in Vegas. Good luck to both teams! Stay strong and stay safe!
He’s a world class player and US Open Champion and a class act. We grew up hitting balls in the same hometown. Has always had tremendous heart and talent.
@@brandyharding7692 same here. Played many a game with Jeremy and lost quite a few dollars to him over the years. Slick Willie's on Westheimer, Bogey's, etc. Stand up guy and super talented pool player. Even better at One Pocket!
Jones has been awesome so far. Couldn't ask anymore from the guy. He was takin world class players to the max on one of the grandest stages. Good for him, and he should get the MVP regardless of what happens.
It was a pity it ended like that because the shot he had left was an interesting one. I think he was halfway between thinking about dropping it in and leaving a cut for his next shot or trying to hit it harder and use the bottom cushion (avoiding corner bags). Being out of competitive play for a while, it can happen that your mind goes back to what rules might have been in the past. Especially under pressure and with a noisy crowd. A shame for him and his team as he showed great heart in the match.
@@jakestatefarm712 it gives the US a slightly better chance, but it's still be a big ask. The Europe team has all world class players while the USA has svb and Woodward that are considered world class. But anything can happen race to 5 with a hand rack
I love SVB, I just wished he'd perform better. Lost all but 1 point. A player of his caliber should be LEADING these guys, not LEANING on them. And part of it is that Shane is a solo player. This team concept is obvisouly foreign to him. He doesn't have the team aspect in him, I don't think.
Amazing rack and an amazing match overall. Shame to end that way. Have watched a lot of JJ but this rack in particular turned me into a massive fan. No practice whatsoever, no competitions in a long time and still played with courage and passion. Hats off to Jeremy Jones for the match and the Europe team going to congratulate him on a great match and comfort him in an unlucky ending.
It’s not just about how he lose the game, I see a very respectable man approached by his European rivals. It’s hard to earn such respect. If it’s Earls I am 100% sure none from that end will show remorse.
he wanted more time to think about the shot so he asked for the ball to be cleaned, thinking it would buy him time to think. Seems like a good rule to me that the clock doesnt stop for that.
I have read a lot of comments on this. Here is my take as a player myself. All players, Especially the Captain should know and understand the rules. The Referee is only there to enforce the rules and call fouls that he observes. The Referee is not there to tell you that you are about to violate a rule or create a foul. This is a major tournament with world class players. That all being said, I think Jeremy Jones really showed a lot of class and spirit during this match. I also think that the gestures from the European team speak volumes to their respect and admiration for Jeremy. We all make mistakes and sometimes it costs us a victory. I want to thank all of the players for bringing us another year of excitement ! I live 361 days a year to see this tournament. It is by far my favorite event and this year has been a great roller coaster all the way ! Stay safe and good luck to all !
@@stuartphillips822 hah … I work a regular job, shoot on leagues Monday and Wednesday and DJ Friday and Saturday nights … I’m out more than a pecker on prom night ! Cheers and stay safe !
Amazing rack .. Hats off to JJ for the game he bought out today .. Respect to Alcaide and the European Team for walking up to show their respect to JJ for his performance. Last minute playing captain. End the last day with a blast JJ.
This is why I love this game. I have a whole other level of respect for Jeremy Jones after this. Probably the best match of the year...... Anywhere. Talk about digging deep. He did it in spades.
Before the end of the match I figured Shaw would, and I was excited about that. Hard to be a player and a coach at the same time. Just a sign of respect for such a hard fought and entertaining match. But Jeremy didn’t seem too pleased with what they said so my appreciation went down a bit…
I'm sure Karl is pretty good friends with JJ. They comment together often in the same booth so I'm not that surprised. Plus JJ is a commentator for most of the Eurorpean player matches and he always talks so well of them
I know next to nothing about American pool, but I'll make 2 observations : 1 The ref cleaned that ball in record time ( when I watched it I thought the ref had rushed it ) 2 A professional pool player ( especially a veteran ) should be familiar with the rules of the game.
Nice one dude, let's all bash for not the refs not knowing the rules ourselves now, will we? Miss me with this disrespectful shit. Try and be a ref, the comments stuff like this.
The referee did what he could do to save some time for the shot. I don’t think he should warn the player about the shot clock cause is fair to the both players. JJ played awesome as a retired player. It was definitely a great match. GG, JJ
Best example of a 9 ball chess match I've seen in years. Perhaps ever because its the Mosconi Cup. As far as I'm concerned, no loser in this match, only winners.
This was such a sad moment for USA. Jeremy worked hard to take that match to hill-hill. But the fact that the Europe team went to console Jeremy after such a tough mistake, was very classy. I love great sportsmanship. Beating the Europeans is no joke. They have like 5 to 10 champions to our one, it’s crazy!!
JJ should've known the rules, no question about that. However, by the time the ref finished cleaning the cueball and left the table, only 3 seconds were left on the clock. No one can approach a table and make a shot in 3 seconds. The referee knew that honoring JJ's request would imminently result in a foul. For this reason I believe the referee should have denied the request to clean the cueball.
The referee isn't there to make sure what's best for you. His job is to enforce the rules of the game. Thus any player who requests to clean the ball he must do it. THAT"S HIS JOB.
If that were so, the referee should've also told Kaci that he was going to make a second consecutive shot in the doubles match... It's a shame, but the ref is only there to enforce the rules as they are.
@@yanf3949 rubbish so the other day are you saying that the ref should have warned team Europe that the wrong player was about to take the shot? He is there to enforce the rules nothing else. It’s the players right to have the cue ball cleaned at anytime and the ref should honour the players wish if the request is in the letter of the rules.
@@Dean256 Not saying that at all. Do you see a difference between referee simply observing and calling a foul and him taking an action that would imminently result in a foul?
Agreed. I was very disappointed. I couldn't understand WHY would he even asked to have the cue ball cleaned when they have been playing with it like that the entire match and for him to think that the clock would stop in my opinion is rediculous. I'm not a professional pool player but common sense tells me that it won't, SPECIALLY when you are hearing the beeping of the clock on its final seconds. He could have yield EXTENSION but he thought he was Royal or something special that the clock would stop for him.🙄 Honestly it wouldn't made a difference the Europeans were playing a lot better.
@@lokekennee8850 For some reason he thought that if he asked to get the cue ball cleaned the clock would stop, even tho you can hear the last few seconds letting you know the time is about to expire. I was like wtf! Why was it so important for the cue ball to be clean and ☝🏽 why didn't he called extension when the clock was beeping?😳 Them boys in Europe are no joke and if our boys are going to play like this they shoul not go at all. This was embarrassing in my opinion. He is the captain for goodness sake!😳
@@MrElPoderozo1 I just saw, at that point he already used his extension for the last match, so he couldn’t have afforded to ask that, ya it wasn’t the smartest decision but still I feel sad for him tho.
JJ should know the rules as captain. He asked for the cue ball to be cleaned, to gain extra time to calm his nerves...a pity as this was an epic game up until that point.
He asked for the cue ball to be cleaned because it was the type of shot that could skid, not to game the time clock. Regardless, he should have known that the clock doesn’t stop for a ball cleaning.
He asked for the cue ball to be cleaned because there were chalk marks on the ball where he needed to hit it. The ball get extremely dirty with these new chalks and after a 20 min game it will be covered in chalk and the risk of a skid or something becomes very high. So that's why he asked, not because he needed more time that's ridiculous and honestly just stupid
@@fabbricatopersonareale The shot clock doesn't stop, when the cue ball is being cleaned. Stupid rule or not? Know the rules, especially as captain and representing your country.
He deserved It ..it was a big moment he got the white cleaned to compass himself more he wasn't down on the shot till 12 seconds left seeing a bit of chalk on the white gave him a way out ,,,he bottled it as they say
I could personally never win like that. I would rather lose. The issue is in a team format, you can't let your teammates down, so I don't fault David. It is a difference of $15,000 per player. That's not nothing.
JJ made a huge error, that's his fault no one else's. He clearly thought he could buy some time having the ball cleaned to compose himself and it cost him dearly. I'd happily take a rack off someone who's made a clear and obvious error, it's no different to missing a pot.
@@tommystrong The referee clear saw what was going on and should have said something when he asked for the cleaning. Instead, " herp da derp foul" 'not my problem." Bad reffing all day long.
@@donovanpeterson837 it's not for the ref to explain or advise before every shot. That is down the the player themselves. And tbh it's not the refs problem, it's the players. JJ is the only person to blame, he clearly didn't know the rule.
I like how my man here thought if anyone needed to tie his shoes, have his his cue-ball cleaned, change underpants or go buy some candy they would have to stop the clock.
Evem if he thought the shot clock stopped he was in no way ready to shoot,, He asked for the white to be cleaned with 12 sec remaining, The ref cleaned the ball and replaced it with 4 sec left, So it took 8 secs, Jones still hadn't even approached the table to play the shot when the time expired, There was simply no way he was going to get a good stroke on that ball if he rushed it, To approach the table, line up the shot and execute the shot in 8 secs simply wasn't happening .
JJ made a huge error, that's his fault no one else's. He clearly thought he could buy some time having the ball cleaned to compose himself and it cost him dearly. I'd happily take a rack off someone who's made a clear and obvious error, it's no different to missing a pot.
I really wish people would shut the hell up when players are down on shots. It has to do with more than politeness, it has to do with fairness. If I were the ref, at the first offense I'd tell them one more and they are out. On the flip side of the coin, Alcaide's conversation with JJ afterwards looked like class all the way around. What a crappy way to end such a great match, with a misunderstood rules violation. Both of them were demonstrating some world class strategy play there.
JJ came into the tournament expecting to be the guy that watches and pays attention to the overall picture and keeps track of details like shot clock rules. Ended up playing in about the highest pressure situation and performs brilliantly as a player but loses because he couldn’t be coach too.
@@donovanhaas7315 30 sec clock shot crowd noise lasts 3 secs or silences immediately. 10% advantage to the home team. This perspective brought to you from the land of the beast quake.
Hats off to the ref who cleaned the ball as quickly as possible, that would of had triggered my mind that I was running out of time since the buzzing seconds wouldn't stop. Additionally, come on, you play for a living and eat sleep and smell pool, unlucky but JJ deserves what he got.
There's no way JJ doesn't know about the rules. He has been Playing Mosconi 7 times and also several times as USA captain. And i'm sure he's watching thousand matches with shot clock rules too. Total drama.
Poor him, JJ has a perfect match againist DA, but one small mistake changes everything 😢, nice to see Europe's player go to JJ, much respect. Good luck USA and congratulation Europe.
He did let the reveree clean the ball to saddle down. This is the rule for so you can not abuse it like he did ! And a captain is supposed to know the rules. When i know it how can he not??
Agreed and all in the name of an ill-conceived shot clock rule that SHOULD have concession, at the referee's discretion, for unusual circumstances. Marvel's blissful adherence to a damn rule literally cost the loss of a hard earned frame and match. Just stupid. Marcel could have said "not time, shoot" but even that seems ridiculous. Pool will NEVER experience the recognition of snooker so long as players are forced to shoot quick. It should not be a race. It should be a game won by skill. Once again, the world of business and promotion have taken over and bastardize the true essence of the game. "We'll promote it but it will have to be our way - you will all have to shoot within a time window so yeah - one size fits all bitches" Sometimes.......just NO!
so, if players want more time they just have to ask for the ball to be cleaned? then ask for it again, as they see another dirty spot? where should be the point at which this would be considered abuse in your opinion? youre just shouting "i was over the line just a tiny bit" which is fine playing against friends, but if ref stops the clock here, we can all just pack up and go home.
I'm a fast shooter, probably faster than Earl. But unlike Earl, I don't think there should be a shot clock. No shot clock in snooker, golf, bowling, etc. JJ messed up. It's still a very disappointing way to lose. I dont mind when I'm beaten. Can't stand when it's my fault I lost.
It is a shame there is no sound for a period at the end... Would have been good to hear the commentators and also maybe catch something the players said to Jeremy and each other..
The ref did clean the cue-ball as quickly as possible. If they went over the rules in detail it's a senior moment for JJ but it's pretty lame to celebrate it.
@@eightyeight3594 different things. You can watch anytime when they ask for the cueball to be cleaned and the clock won't stop. When there's an outside element interrupting the game, the clock stops.
exactly.. if the ref had done anything other than quickly comply to the request he could be blamed for that.. its not the ref's job to understand what players think or may have forgotten.
They shouldn't, especially when Jones was USA's best player that day! Jones fought tooth and nail for every shot and didn't take anything for granted! It was a great effort! And it showed when everyone from the European team came at the end to comfort him!
For him to be the coach of the team, there is no excuse for that error. You may have lost the whole tournament for that. If you don’t know the rules why the hell are you coaching or team leader.
Don’t worry, there was a decade there where we liked it that way.. lol.. Made a lot of money.. Jeremy has won 10-12 pro tournaments over the years, and has about as many runner up finishes.. First guy to win both the US Open One Pocket and US Open 9-ball titles.. And I believe only Efren and Shane have accomplished that particular double, since..
"the rules as stated to the players are bullshit". Let's just do away with them all, right? Shaw is a good friend of JJ, who talks about Shaw a lot while commentating, and it is understandable for Shaw to feel bad for his friend, but guaranteed Jayson thinks it was a fair win.
He got caught trying to circumvent the rules. He knew he didn't have an extension, so he asked for the cue ball to be cleaned believing the clock would be stopped. This would give him more time to think about his shot, just like an extension.
I didn't see it, but a friend of mine said that earlier, a European player asked to have the ball cleaned and they stopped the clock during the cleaning. That may have caused confusion.
So they call a time foul without the annoying beeping heard while players are taking a shot, at least be consistent and play the annoying beeping sound if a time foul is about to happen
JJ is a champ all the way 9 ball, one pocket whatever you wanna play... He could sit on the couch for years come out and beat the best... So much big time experience gambling, tournament play all of it!
El juego fué muy tecnico con mucha estratégia y ambos lo hicieron muy bien, en cuanto a las normas yo creo que el arbitro debió advertirle a JJ que no habia tiempo para limpiar la bola ya que el tiempo se estaba acabando...
He rly gonna regret that ball cleanin.. he prolly was after like " why i clean that ball when it was already perfect" its mental thing to some players clean ball before important run
The fact the European team went to Jones after the game. Such good sportsmanship
no one wants to win like this
Very much so - it's a shame the crowd didn't show the same respect
They should have kissed his ass. And the BS rule that determined the outcome.
@@ceretomer5987 the embarrassment is, he’s the team leader and doesn’t know the rule. That’s what you should be irked about. But go ahead and hate the rule instead. That makes sense.
@@tonym2513 Okay. I'll go ahead and hate the rule.
I was at the event and believe me the pressure the players were under must have been unbearable,JJ is human and all humans make mistakes,hats off to both teams they put on a great show,roll on vegas
How did JJ make a mistake?? FFS...
@@bradleyburton2664 didn't pay attention to the clock? or the rules? cost him a frame.... sounds like a mistake to me.
@@stevesmith7843 if you watched a later match in the event, Europe asked for the cue ball yo be cleaned and the ref stopped the clock.... so, don't know what you're getting at here. They were biased.
@@bradleyburton2664 possibly. haven't seen that match, the rules should obviously be applied equally. did they ask for their extension? or after this incident was there a re writing of the rule for future clarification?
@@bradleyburton2664 the ref explained what happened. initially when a ball gets cleaned, it was before a shot is about to be made. Jeremy made the mistake of wasting a lot of time thinking, going down on the shot, stopping and requesting the ball to be cleaned with 12 seconds left. it was the lack of concentration on Jeremy's part. even the ref was rushing to clean the ball knowing the time hasn't stopped and Jeremy still didn't get the memo.
Wanted JJ to win so bad. Loved when David came over to acknowledge the excellent match.
Man why did I see this opening the video 😔
he even quited down the crowd on the last 9, as if he’s just rushing to get this rack done to go comfort jj. I love how the whole eu team was there for jj, such an emotional moment in cue sports ✊
@@imaclown12345 absolutely agree 100%
Feel for JJ too what a game of Pool. Not the way Europe wanted to win at all. Hollow victory tbf I admit and I'm sure the US will bounce back from this in Vegas. Good luck to both teams! Stay strong and stay safe!
Fuuc k!
I never knew of Jeremy Jones that much prior to the Mosconi Cup, but I’m suddenly a fan. He’s so passionate.
He’s a world class player and US Open Champion and a class act. We grew up hitting balls in the same hometown. Has always had tremendous heart and talent.
WOW! Jones had played in The Mosconi a number of times in years past. But what happen yesterday during his match, was totally & utterly Bull Shite!
Jones is also a top class one pocket player and an excellent match commentator. Hard to find anything bad to say about him.
HORSE SH!T.
@@brandyharding7692 same here. Played many a game with Jeremy and lost quite a few dollars to him over the years. Slick Willie's on Westheimer, Bogey's, etc. Stand up guy and super talented pool player. Even better at One Pocket!
Jones has been awesome so far. Couldn't ask anymore from the guy. He was takin world class players to the max on one of the grandest stages. Good for him, and he should get the MVP regardless of what happens.
Yes it’s great JJ is playing for us. BUT… not having Justin B is a huge blow for us. And billy being out cause of his fight is another huge LOSS
It was a pity it ended like that because the shot he had left was an interesting one. I think he was halfway between thinking about dropping it in and leaving a cut for his next shot or trying to hit it harder and use the bottom cushion (avoiding corner bags). Being out of competitive play for a while, it can happen that your mind goes back to what rules might have been in the past. Especially under pressure and with a noisy crowd. A shame for him and his team as he showed great heart in the match.
@@jakestatefarm712 it gives the US a slightly better chance, but it's still be a big ask. The Europe team has all world class players while the USA has svb and Woodward that are considered world class. But anything can happen race to 5 with a hand rack
all respect to JJ. Even as a european i was rooting for him. Damn this messyness.
I love SVB, I just wished he'd perform better. Lost all but 1 point. A player of his caliber should be LEADING these guys, not LEANING on them. And part of it is that Shane is a solo player. This team concept is obvisouly foreign to him. He doesn't have the team aspect in him, I don't think.
Amazing rack and an amazing match overall. Shame to end that way. Have watched a lot of JJ but this rack in particular turned me into a massive fan. No practice whatsoever, no competitions in a long time and still played with courage and passion. Hats off to Jeremy Jones for the match and the Europe team going to congratulate him on a great match and comfort him in an unlucky ending.
He does still do competitions he played the banks devision in the Texas open last August did pretty good too
He seems to blame the cue ball alot for his own shots 😂
I didn't know he had no practice in a long time or no competitions either wow
It’s not just about how he lose the game, I see a very respectable man approached by his European rivals. It’s hard to earn such respect. If it’s Earls I am 100% sure none from that end will show remorse.
Earl would have won so there would be no need to show remorse.
@@ErikCortina earl is history
he wanted more time to think about the shot so he asked for the ball to be cleaned, thinking it would buy him time to think.
Seems like a good rule to me that the clock doesnt stop for that.
he should have just used his extention. it was the last shot hed need it for anyway.
@@Scorch428 He already used his extension for this last rack.
I have read a lot of comments on this. Here is my take as a player myself. All players, Especially the Captain should know and understand the rules. The Referee is only there to enforce the rules and call fouls that he observes. The Referee is not there to tell you that you are about to violate a rule or create a foul. This is a major tournament with world class players. That all being said, I think Jeremy Jones really showed a lot of class and spirit during this match. I also think that the gestures from the European team speak volumes to their respect and admiration for Jeremy. We all make mistakes and sometimes it costs us a victory. I want to thank all of the players for bringing us another year of excitement ! I live 361 days a year to see this tournament. It is by far my favorite event and this year has been a great roller coaster all the way ! Stay safe and good luck to all !
@@stuartphillips822 hah … I work a regular job, shoot on leagues Monday and Wednesday and DJ Friday and Saturday nights … I’m out more than a pecker on prom night ! Cheers and stay safe !
Well said
Well said and in the referee's defense.... it looked like he was trying to clean the cueball as quickly as possible. JJ just had a brain fart moment.
Nobody asked
Top Class Comment. Respect my Man! 🔥🙌🏾
Amazing rack .. Hats off to JJ for the game he bought out today .. Respect to Alcaide and the European Team for walking up to show their respect to JJ for his performance. Last minute playing captain. End the last day with a blast JJ.
Kudos to Team Europe, knowing that they don't like winning in that kind of fashion. Surely, they have high respect for US's Captain.
This is why I love this game. I have a whole other level of respect for Jeremy Jones after this. Probably the best match of the year...... Anywhere. Talk about digging deep. He did it in spades.
That was a masterclass in 9 ball defence. Incredible stuff.
Absolute heartbreak, we are rooting for you Jeremy!!!
I really appreciate Shaw and Karl to go to JJ after the match. They know it is a horrible way to lose a match. A wholesome moment for me
Before the end of the match I figured Shaw would, and I was excited about that. Hard to be a player and a coach at the same time. Just a sign of respect for such a hard fought and entertaining match. But Jeremy didn’t seem too pleased with what they said so my appreciation went down a bit…
Super classy move by Shaw and Karl!
It's also a horrible way to win a match.
Shaw has a face on him that looks like it needs KICKED IN.
I'm sure Karl is pretty good friends with JJ. They comment together often in the same booth so I'm not that surprised. Plus JJ is a commentator for most of the Eurorpean player matches and he always talks so well of them
They cleaned the ball and stopped the clock for jayson shaw day 2. NO extension either. UNREAL!
No, they cleaned the 9 ball off a fly. It's considered an obstruction and the clock was properly stopped.
haven't seen Jones so mad since he challenged Earl to take it outside with him!
He doesnt even look mad...🤨
Amazing sportsmanship. The winner knew he got off lucky almost like he felt he didn't deserve it, shaking his head at the end.
That's the beauty of pool. A combination of mind game and skills.
I know next to nothing about American pool, but I'll make 2 observations :
1 The ref cleaned that ball in record time ( when I watched it I thought the ref had rushed it )
2 A professional pool player ( especially a veteran ) should be familiar with the rules of the game.
Real shame it ended this way. Both played great. Ref is lucky that wasn't Earl though...
Wow could you imagine. Id like to think hed go berzerk but who knows, would still be interesting
Nice one dude, let's all bash for not the refs not knowing the rules ourselves now, will we?
Miss me with this disrespectful shit. Try and be a ref, the comments stuff like this.
@@cezarsoba nobody in this comment thread is bashing the refs, seems you need to polish up the reading comprehension
Fabulous rack and great sportsmanship from the David and the Europeans.
Am rooting for Europe but man, I felt so bad for Jones and felt he deserved better.
The referee did what he could do to save some time for the shot. I don’t think he should warn the player about the shot clock cause is fair to the both players. JJ played awesome as a retired player. It was definitely a great match. GG, JJ
Best example of a 9 ball chess match I've seen in years. Perhaps ever because its the Mosconi Cup. As far as I'm concerned, no loser in this match, only winners.
Yeah, a chess match, ended abruptly by running out of time.
This was such a sad moment for USA. Jeremy worked hard to take that match to hill-hill.
But the fact that the Europe team went to console Jeremy after such a tough mistake, was very classy.
I love great sportsmanship.
Beating the Europeans is no joke. They have like 5 to 10 champions to our one, it’s crazy!!
Imagine if that was Earl on JJ's shoes. It would have been World War III.
Earl would just talk. Jeremy might take action. Earl has shown he wants no part of Jeremy.
JJ should've known the rules, no question about that. However, by the time the ref finished cleaning the cueball and left the table, only 3 seconds were left on the clock. No one can approach a table and make a shot in 3 seconds. The referee knew that honoring JJ's request would imminently result in a foul. For this reason I believe the referee should have denied the request to clean the cueball.
The referee isn't there to make sure what's best for you. His job is to enforce the rules of the game. Thus any player who requests to clean the ball he must do it. THAT"S HIS JOB.
@@moegreen6566 the referee isn't there to take an action that would imminently result in a foul.
If that were so, the referee should've also told Kaci that he was going to make a second consecutive shot in the doubles match... It's a shame, but the ref is only there to enforce the rules as they are.
@@yanf3949 rubbish so the other day are you saying that the ref should have warned team Europe that the wrong player was about to take the shot? He is there to enforce the rules nothing else. It’s the players right to have the cue ball cleaned at anytime and the ref should honour the players wish if the request is in the letter of the rules.
@@Dean256 Not saying that at all. Do you see a difference between referee simply observing and calling a foul and him taking an action that would imminently result in a foul?
The captain has to know all rules forwards and backwards
Agree
Agreed. I was very disappointed. I couldn't understand WHY would he even asked to have the cue ball cleaned when they have been playing with it like that the entire match and for him to think that the clock would stop in my opinion is rediculous. I'm not a professional pool player but common sense tells me that it won't, SPECIALLY when you are hearing the beeping of the clock on its final seconds. He could have yield EXTENSION but he thought he was Royal or something special that the clock would stop for him.🙄
Honestly it wouldn't made a difference the Europeans were playing a lot better.
@@MrElPoderozo1 He already used his extension for this match didn’t he?
@@lokekennee8850 For some reason he thought that if he asked to get the cue ball cleaned the clock would stop, even tho you can hear the last few seconds letting you know the time is about to expire. I was like wtf! Why was it so important for the cue ball to be clean and ☝🏽 why didn't he called extension when the clock was beeping?😳
Them boys in Europe are no joke and if our boys are going to play like this they shoul not go at all. This was embarrassing in my opinion. He is the captain for goodness sake!😳
@@MrElPoderozo1 I just saw, at that point he already used his extension for the last match, so he couldn’t have afforded to ask that, ya it wasn’t the smartest decision but still I feel sad for him tho.
To be fair the ref said 10 seconds before he cleaned the que ball
Marcel Eckardt is a great referee....he did everything right here.
@@janjakobglasmeier5198 No way. He should have pointed out no extension. The situation was obvious and he really dropped the ball.
Beautiful to see the Europe team came down to console JJ. Love it when respect trumps competition :)
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JJ should know the rules as captain. He asked for the cue ball to be cleaned, to gain extra time to calm his nerves...a pity as this was an epic game up until that point.
He asked for the cue ball to be cleaned because it was the type of shot that could skid, not to game the time clock. Regardless, he should have known that the clock doesn’t stop for a ball cleaning.
He asked for the cue ball to be cleaned because there were chalk marks on the ball where he needed to hit it. The ball get extremely dirty with these new chalks and after a 20 min game it will be covered in chalk and the risk of a skid or something becomes very high. So that's why he asked, not because he needed more time that's ridiculous and honestly just stupid
@@fabbricatopersonareale The shot clock doesn't stop, when the cue ball is being cleaned.
Stupid rule or not? Know the rules, especially as captain and representing your country.
Yep, we'll never know what went through his head but I bet JJ was trying to win extra time in a heated moment and outsmarted himself.
@@Krushard sure bud
Big respect for europe team
i am glad it was jeremy . if it was earl it would have been pandemonium
That was almost as bad as the Kaci-Ouschan mixup. That's a noob foul.
Classy touch by the european team to go over to Jeremy afterwards
thank god wasnt Earl in JJ's shoes... imagine the show!
Earl shoots way too fast to have a shock clock ever even come into the equation.
@@chili015 Earl wants a 20second shot clock. No way he'd be caught out. I don't think I've ever seen him ask for a ball to be cleaned either
@@chili015 where did you miss "imagine"?
I was just thinking that. A snapped cue for sure. Haha
😂😂😂 would have been the greatest meltdown in Mosconi cup history. What a Legend.
Europe's sportsman ship at the end was awesome.
What an Iconic display of sportsmanship.. when team Europe approaches JJ
He deserved It ..it was a big moment he got the white cleaned to compass himself more he wasn't down on the shot till 12 seconds left seeing a bit of chalk on the white gave him a way out ,,,he bottled it as they say
I could personally never win like that. I would rather lose. The issue is in a team format, you can't let your teammates down, so I don't fault David. It is a difference of $15,000 per player. That's not nothing.
I understand, but at the same time, Alcaide did nothing wrong! I mean the shotclock is there for a reason!
JJ made a huge error, that's his fault no one else's. He clearly thought he could buy some time having the ball cleaned to compose himself and it cost him dearly. I'd happily take a rack off someone who's made a clear and obvious error, it's no different to missing a pot.
@@tommystrong The referee clear saw what was going on and should have said something when he asked for the cleaning. Instead, " herp da derp foul" 'not my problem." Bad reffing all day long.
@@donovanpeterson837 it's not for the ref to explain or advise before every shot. That is down the the player themselves. And tbh it's not the refs problem, it's the players. JJ is the only person to blame, he clearly didn't know the rule.
@@tommystrong rules clarifications are definitely the job of the ref, and he dropped the ball big time here.
I like how my man here thought if anyone needed to tie his shoes, have his his cue-ball cleaned, change underpants or go buy some candy they would have to stop the clock.
Evem if he thought the shot clock stopped he was in no way ready to shoot,, He asked for the white to be cleaned with 12 sec remaining, The ref cleaned the ball and replaced it with 4 sec left, So it took 8 secs, Jones still hadn't even approached the table to play the shot when the time expired, There was simply no way he was going to get a good stroke on that ball if he rushed it, To approach the table, line up the shot and execute the shot in 8 secs simply wasn't happening .
JJ made a huge error, that's his fault no one else's. He clearly thought he could buy some time having the ball cleaned to compose himself and it cost him dearly. I'd happily take a rack off someone who's made a clear and obvious error, it's no different to missing a pot.
I really wish people would shut the hell up when players are down on shots. It has to do with more than politeness, it has to do with fairness. If I were the ref, at the first offense I'd tell them one more and they are out.
On the flip side of the coin, Alcaide's conversation with JJ afterwards looked like class all the way around. What a crappy way to end such a great match, with a misunderstood rules violation. Both of them were demonstrating some world class strategy play there.
Just wondering whats the longest time in one rack of 9 ball pool
JJ came into the tournament expecting to be the guy that watches and pays attention to the overall picture and keeps track of details like shot clock rules. Ended up playing in about the highest pressure situation and performs brilliantly as a player but loses because he couldn’t be coach too.
that's what I was thinking as well. Foreign country, hooligan crowd, 4 inch pockets, cameras...Jeremy has done great. Respect.
@@donovanhaas7315 30 sec clock shot crowd noise lasts 3 secs or silences immediately. 10% advantage to the home team. This perspective brought to you from the land of the beast quake.
Jason shaw playin it like the hassles backs. Who u saluting mate?
Hats off to the ref who cleaned the ball as quickly as possible, that would of had triggered my mind that I was running out of time since the buzzing seconds wouldn't stop.
Additionally, come on, you play for a living and eat sleep and smell pool, unlucky but JJ deserves what he got.
Excellent sportsmanship at the end. Regardless of who wins
my heart was pounding the entire way
I never heard the warning horn. Did they turn it off?
There's no way JJ doesn't know about the rules. He has been Playing Mosconi 7 times and also several times as USA captain. And i'm sure he's watching thousand matches with shot clock rules too.
Total drama.
The biggest blunder since game 9 of the World Chess Championship. Shocking.
Pawn to b5.
What psychological warfare on that felt. Brilliant match.
how often do you see a 17 minute rack of 9 ball? Even in a pub, let alone on professional level?
Well under pressure everyone can do human error. Besides that it was å fabolous match to watch,Greetings from Norway 😃❤❤
Poor him, JJ has a perfect match againist DA, but one small mistake changes everything 😢, nice to see Europe's player go to JJ, much respect. Good luck USA and congratulation Europe.
the mistake is the rules being terrible
He did let the reveree clean the ball to saddle down. This is the rule for so you can not abuse it like he did ! And a captain is supposed to know the rules. When i know it how can he not??
Alcaide was a gentlemen and good competitor. Didn't want the crowd to scream and comforted his opponent
I couldnt believe that he asked for to clean the cue ball X.X
Thanks matchroom for the wonderful match
Pool rules vary depending on the tournament. This should be revised and just have one set of rules for all tourneys.
That has got to be the most disappointing thing I've ever seen in my life. Fantastic match.
WTF??
Agreed and all in the name of an ill-conceived shot clock rule that SHOULD have concession, at the referee's discretion, for unusual circumstances. Marvel's blissful adherence to a damn rule literally cost the loss of a hard earned frame and match. Just stupid. Marcel could have said "not time, shoot" but even that seems ridiculous. Pool will NEVER experience the recognition of snooker so long as players are forced to shoot quick. It should not be a race. It should be a game won by skill. Once again, the world of business and promotion have taken over and bastardize the true essence of the game. "We'll promote it but it will have to be our way - you will all have to shoot within a time window so yeah - one size fits all bitches" Sometimes.......just NO!
so, if players want more time they just have to ask for the ball to be cleaned? then ask for it again, as they see another dirty spot? where should be the point at which this would be considered abuse in your opinion? youre just shouting "i was over the line just a tiny bit" which is fine playing against friends, but if ref stops the clock here, we can all just pack up and go home.
I'm a fast shooter, probably faster than Earl. But unlike Earl, I don't think there should be a shot clock. No shot clock in snooker, golf, bowling, etc.
JJ messed up. It's still a very disappointing way to lose. I dont mind when I'm beaten. Can't stand when it's my fault I lost.
@@therwfer exactly this, its obvious.
I doubt if he would of run out anyway he wouldn't of been able to get shapes o the 7
It is a shame there is no sound for a period at the end... Would have been good to hear the commentators and also maybe catch something the players said to Jeremy and each other..
Jeremy Jones is awesome, Really sad he lost this way, after such an amzing safty battle against David. Love both players ♥
i'm now on a Mosconi cup binge and I have work tonight. Thanks YT
Do they play on 9 foot or 7 foot tables?
The ref did clean the cue-ball as quickly as possible.
If they went over the rules in detail it's a senior moment for JJ but it's pretty lame to celebrate it.
They stopped the clock earlier in the tournament for Jayson shaw when they were picking an insect off of the table..
@@eightyeight3594 Did Jayson call a time-out?
@@eightyeight3594 different things. You can watch anytime when they ask for the cueball to be cleaned and the clock won't stop.
When there's an outside element interrupting the game, the clock stops.
exactly.. if the ref had done anything other than quickly comply to the request he could be blamed for that.. its not the ref's job to understand what players think or may have forgotten.
@@eightyeight3594 Apples and oranges! That's not the same thing!
Jones is such a badass, he kind of looks like an older Shane Van Boening
JJ has been playing the game for how long? It baffles me that Professional players don't know the rules.
To be honest he must have known the rules he’s been playing for years, just the pressure of the game got to him
Unlucky jj we all make mistakes even at the worse of times, just wish people would stop coming at him for it
They shouldn't, especially when Jones was USA's best player that day! Jones fought tooth and nail for every shot and didn't take anything for granted! It was a great effort! And it showed when everyone from the European team came at the end to comfort him!
Everybody is perfect these days, and they have never been wrong their entire lives.. Didn’t you get the email?!..
Man, what a twist!
That was intense.
For him to be the coach of the team, there is no excuse for that error. You may have lost the whole tournament for that. If you don’t know the rules why the hell are you coaching or team leader.
Really unfortunate! But amazing game indeed!
JJ: greenhorn failer - learning the rules - what's else. The teamleader doesn't know the rules? Shame...
Where's the rest of the day's highlights & matches?!?
Been playing pool my whole life. Never heard of j.j. lol.. hey,. He did a great job. Made it a close match. Great class on Europe's part.
He commentates most major usa tournaments and he was on the mosconi team way back in the days
@@miamiwax5504 thanks Miami. I do know him now from commentating. I did not know he was a pro player too. That's cool. Hey,. He did awesome I think.
Don’t worry, there was a decade there where we liked it that way.. lol.. Made a lot of money..
Jeremy has won 10-12 pro tournaments over the years, and has about as many runner up finishes..
First guy to win both the US Open One Pocket and US Open 9-ball titles.. And I believe only Efren and Shane have accomplished that particular double, since..
Respect 🔥🙏
Why was the clock notrunning for the other player also when they were solving the issue then?
the crowd are so quiet in UK with Snooker, jee they are noisy when the game is in play
When even Jason Shaw looks around and calls bullshit, it's pretty plain bullshit.
Total bullshit
"the rules as stated to the players are bullshit". Let's just do away with them all, right? Shaw is a good friend of JJ, who talks about Shaw a lot while commentating, and it is understandable for Shaw to feel bad for his friend, but guaranteed Jayson thinks it was a fair win.
I haven't seen Jay call BS...
He got caught trying to circumvent the rules.
He knew he didn't have an extension, so he asked for the cue ball to be cleaned believing the clock would be stopped.
This would give him more time to think about his shot, just like an extension.
This crowd sounds like the crowd at the trial in the pilot episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation (Encounter at Farpoint).
I didn't see it, but a friend of mine said that earlier, a European player asked to have the ball cleaned and they stopped the clock during the cleaning. That may have caused confusion.
What a gift
Wow.....that's a brutal break. It should be a given you're taking an extension if you ask for a ball to be cleaned.
Jones made a great effort but if the captain of the team doesn't know the rules, then maybe he shouldn't be captain.
So they call a time foul without the annoying beeping heard while players are taking a shot, at least be consistent and play the annoying beeping sound if a time foul is about to happen
JJ is a champ all the way 9 ball, one pocket whatever you wanna play... He could sit on the couch for years come out and beat the best... So much big time experience gambling, tournament play all of it!
How you looking at the clock and hearing the beeps and not call extension?
Jones made a tactical mistake. It’s his fault not knowing the rules.
JJ is all class. Can you imagine how Earl would’ve reacted to that?!
After that, this should be the last Mosconi cup.
El juego fué muy tecnico con mucha estratégia y ambos lo hicieron muy bien, en cuanto a las normas yo creo que el arbitro debió advertirle a JJ que no habia tiempo para limpiar la bola ya que el tiempo se estaba acabando...
Marcel said "10 seconds" when he was cleaning the ball
He rly gonna regret that ball cleanin.. he prolly was after like " why i clean that ball when it was already perfect" its mental thing to some players clean ball before important run
How do you not know the rule their?
No sound on video
12:23??? How could you pass up that shot?