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  • čas přidán 18. 08. 2024
  • In this video, iZotope’s Education Director, Jonathan Wyner, gives an introduction to mid/side processing for mastering, a technique that can make vocals pop, control high frequency sounds, and help you achieve a wider mix.
    Learn more about helpful software and tips during our Master the Mix Month: www.izotope.co...

Komentáře • 171

  • @explorationgabe
    @explorationgabe Před 7 lety +292

    Haha the pure disdain on his face when he says "laptop speakers"

    • @xave
      @xave Před 7 lety

      hmar

    • @fusmusic7118
      @fusmusic7118 Před 5 lety +1

      they really are shit speakers to be honest, but the disdain was there def

    • @abrotherinchrist
      @abrotherinchrist Před 5 lety +7

      I don't know how anyone can listen to music on laptop or phone speakers. It's entirely pointless IMO.

    • @MalgumMusic
      @MalgumMusic Před 4 lety

      Lmao I thought this same exact thing 😂

    • @pOOL_pANTS
      @pOOL_pANTS Před 4 lety +2

      @@abrotherinchrist what if you have nothing else to listen on?

  • @nerothos
    @nerothos Před 4 lety +45

    Whoa, that 0.6dB mid raise in the vocals was extremely impactful.

  • @BillBrolse
    @BillBrolse Před 7 lety +105

    He was one of the teachers at a 12 week online mastering course at Berklee. One of the best classes I ever attended.

    • @TheDeelasvegas
      @TheDeelasvegas Před 7 lety +4

      lol..dang you got any course material still???

    • @BillBrolse
      @BillBrolse Před 7 lety +12

      I have most of the work of me and some fellow students. The material is not rocket science, but to get direct feedback on your work from such skilled people (not to mention some of the other students) is invaluable and really saves you a lot of trial and error.

    • @EveningDiscipline421
      @EveningDiscipline421 Před 7 lety +4

      Can you post the link for his online class? I'm very interested in checking it out! Thanks!

    • @atta1798
      @atta1798 Před 4 lety

      @@BillBrolse it depends....I took the course and frankly speaking...it is complex and deep. I took it as well and if you think it is not rocket science then you did not dig deep enough into the course to understanding Mastering.......very simple about 40 years put in 12 weeks.Of course unless you have been doing for 30 years+ ... which in this case most students will be at a loss or whatever they do...and last....you should not be sharing Berklee material that is not yours ......it is only for your eyes....

    • @BillBrolse
      @BillBrolse Před 4 lety +4

      ​@@atta1798 You are right. Learning all the tools, and understand how they work isn´t rocket science. Learning how to use them to achieve what you vision - with intention and skill - is an endless journey of discoveries.

  • @joeadhemar
    @joeadhemar Před 4 lety +7

    I’d been using mid/side eq on my mastering for the first time recently with great results, but had no understanding until this great explanation. Thanks. I get it now

  • @precisionsoundworks8371
    @precisionsoundworks8371 Před 7 lety +17

    Top notch presentation by a top notch presenter. Thank you for posting this.

  • @DaveDemayClips
    @DaveDemayClips Před 5 lety +2

    Brief and detailed coverage of the fundamental things to watch out for when it comes to Mid/Side treatment!

  • @EveningDiscipline421
    @EveningDiscipline421 Před 7 lety +10

    Took me a few times to understand but I eventually took it in. Great tip about spreading hi fq info to the sides. Also nice to note that elements within the mid/mono are preceded louder so it's important to control the elements i.e. Percussion /bass and lower end of vocals within the mid. Lastly great tip that compressing elements in the mid can "move their presence" back. Really wish I could afford Ozone I love the fact that you can crossover different bands and work on a specific band/section of fq for compression, distortion, mid side, etc. thanks Jonathan and Izotope for a great video!

  • @freshconnekt
    @freshconnekt Před 4 lety +2

    Just wanted to say thanks Johnathan and Izotope.. I find your content very educating. There is a lot of info that is unreliable but I like the fact that I know you are always on point.

  • @torjeamundsen
    @torjeamundsen Před 3 lety +7

    "I'll park the threshold wherever I want" - Jonathan Wyner

  • @philsackett7341
    @philsackett7341 Před 7 lety +10

    A very interesting perspective. Thank you for the info and the manner in which is was presented. I feel like I just learned something extremely important here.

  • @tecnogadget2
    @tecnogadget2 Před 4 lety +3

    I literally bought analog de esser, comps and eq just to master in M/S and oh boy, was it worth it.
    Then you just re-compress in stereo to glue everything again and limit. It just sounds SO cool.

  • @zdrumrguy
    @zdrumrguy Před 7 lety +18

    Great video. Great teaching. I know why he's Education Director.

  • @IanBeato
    @IanBeato Před 5 lety +9

    Thank you sir, you are the "Mr. Rogers" of mastering.

  • @michaelgraflmusic
    @michaelgraflmusic Před 6 lety +2

    This is some great content and presented so well that I looked up Jonathan Wyner and found out he worked with The Residents and Snakefinger, which really made me flash back to the 90s, when I used to listen to those a lot.
    Anyway, it's kind of hard to come across content on CZcams that's explained so succinctly. Thanks!

    • @zlbdad
      @zlbdad Před 5 lety +1

      Michael I was just thinking about chewing hides the sound the other day!

  • @davidhaggerty9850
    @davidhaggerty9850 Před 7 lety +1

    Sometimes I watch youtube videos and wonder if the presenters are testing you or considering the things they're presenting in the material that they 're presenting. We're used to vocals coming from a single mic in the center or several mics in a mono type of configuration, and this sounds like it was probably recorded in stereo and Jonathan sounds as if he's coming from both sides and maybe even a little behind me, as opposed to right in front of me. Could be in my head, but seemed to go away or significantly decrease when I put my audio in mono.
    Thank you for the very clear breakdown of mid/side and desibilance and the likely impact of their use.!

  • @TheSeaUponUs
    @TheSeaUponUs Před 4 lety

    All these tutorials from Izotope are gold! Love them

  • @renegadenotehead8704
    @renegadenotehead8704 Před 7 lety

    I could listen to Jonathan Wyner talk all day ...

  • @rahulborkar1942
    @rahulborkar1942 Před rokem

    Wow. I think your video is going to save me on a mastering project that I have been struggling with. I just subscribed. Fantastic videk.

  • @ForTheForsaken
    @ForTheForsaken Před rokem

    Very informative and enjoyable to watch thank you

  • @demetrius96
    @demetrius96 Před 7 lety

    What a gentleman, beautiful presentation and great advice.

  • @MorisoniProductions
    @MorisoniProductions Před 4 lety +4

    Thank you, really useful video, very clearly and concisely explained.

  • @phenomena17
    @phenomena17 Před 7 lety +1

    this guy is an absolute GENIUS! she just explain in a split second!

  • @kingech_B15
    @kingech_B15 Před 5 lety +3

    wow this information just changed my mixes.

  • @thaexception3406
    @thaexception3406 Před rokem

    Been using this technique more and more - great information!

  • @darshanchilkkonahallylaksh2353

    Thanku so much.. master,love from India .my mixes suffers t lack in excitement. Ur lesson helped me so much in realizing to make my mix better..
    Thank u so much guru.

  • @danyar91
    @danyar91 Před 5 lety +3

    The real teacher 👨‍🏫

  • @mixedbydk
    @mixedbydk Před 7 lety +11

    most realxing education video =)

  • @jasabasenara8124
    @jasabasenara8124 Před 2 lety

    Awesome, thank you. 🙏

  • @Tx66
    @Tx66 Před 6 lety +1

    what an amazing teacher!

  • @G3niusAI
    @G3niusAI Před 4 lety +2

    I like this guy, his explanation is nice

  • @surajacoustic8557
    @surajacoustic8557 Před 2 lety

    What a wonderful n worthful tutorial sir. Thanks n God bless u sir

  • @DanielMo0
    @DanielMo0 Před 6 lety +1

    Love the mono de-essing ... Sounds really good to me

  • @StarsoundStudios
    @StarsoundStudios Před 6 lety

    Awesome as usual. Thanks Jonathan

  • @SkyLinemusic117
    @SkyLinemusic117 Před 3 lety

    He explained this very clearly.

  • @matthewquatroche3872
    @matthewquatroche3872 Před 4 lety

    Great tutorial, Jonathan.

  • @RogerioValgode
    @RogerioValgode Před 5 lety +1

    Wow, great content! A learn a few important things. Thanks

  • @roygertel
    @roygertel Před 7 lety

    Good educator & also good man.
    all his tutorials are great

  • @AlbanEmiri
    @AlbanEmiri Před 6 lety +1

    Interesting....Thank you Izotope, thank you Jonathan

  • @PDXVoiceTeacher
    @PDXVoiceTeacher Před 7 lety +5

    I'm watching greatness.....wow!

  • @zodiac909
    @zodiac909 Před 5 lety +1

    Jon literally looks like a mad genius scientist. ;)

  • @siddhantpetkar9728
    @siddhantpetkar9728 Před 5 lety

    Mr Wayner ur a magician! Tambourine trick blew my mind (I didn't get it though but I could hear it) Amazing!

  • @mikenaughton4298
    @mikenaughton4298 Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks. That was great information.

  • @gildasgrime7808
    @gildasgrime7808 Před 5 lety

    Always quality from this guy

  • @keithdunwoody1302
    @keithdunwoody1302 Před 5 lety +1

    Great tute, keep em comin'! :)

  • @lumpyfishgravy
    @lumpyfishgravy Před 6 lety +13

    Technically, Mid is not what's absolutely identical: it's the sum. If I had 1K in Left and 2K in Right, they would have zero correlation, zero commonality. But those frequencies would appear in *both Mid and Side.* Mid would contain L+R and Side would contain L-R. From a production standpoint the stereo staging model is the best one to think about, especially if you're used to headphones.

  • @nyikomhlarhi7319
    @nyikomhlarhi7319 Před 3 lety

    Awesome lesson. Thank you very much.

  • @PianoScoreVids
    @PianoScoreVids Před 5 lety

    Very good, nice video and professional.

  • @cyootlabs
    @cyootlabs Před 5 lety +111

    when the guys who make mastering tools don't master their videos. seriously, I had to turn up my monitors to 100% to get to moderate levels coming from another video lol

    • @owlmuso
      @owlmuso Před 5 lety +14

      Yeah, I never understand how videos from professional audio companies / producers ignore the simple concept of post production / mastering the audio of their videos. Especially ironic from isotope who sell mastering tools

    • @88KeysMan
      @88KeysMan Před 5 lety +14

      Are you (iZotope) listening? 😂

    • @Bloodcount
      @Bloodcount Před 5 lety +1

      lmao real shit

    • @umelluwhite
      @umelluwhite Před 4 lety +1

      20 seconds in i'm just scrolling looking for this comment. ty haha

    • @SynthexS
      @SynthexS Před 4 lety

      The worst is the discrepancy in volume of his voice and song

  • @jeffmarc1846
    @jeffmarc1846 Před 6 lety +2

    Great vid, however one correction. He mentioned, during the beginning, that if you add a speaker with the same sound, you will get double the power ( I paraphrase) the physics are, if you double the surface area (adding another speaker doing the same thing) you gain exactly 3dB, not double the power. It takes 10 times the power the double the output.

    • @oxyplanmusicproduction1938
      @oxyplanmusicproduction1938 Před 6 lety

      lol it bothered me too

    • @jeffmarc1846
      @jeffmarc1846 Před 6 lety

      Oxyplan Music Production yeah, it’s a common mis-conclusion that twice the air movement is double the volume, like the terms Sub Bass & Subsonic frequencies, when what we really mean is infrasonic bass. Subsonic frequencies literally mean slower than the the speed of sound.

  • @OctavianMusic
    @OctavianMusic Před 2 lety

    so well explained!

  • @StavrosMusic
    @StavrosMusic Před 4 lety

    Thanks for the info - this was a big help.

  • @JasonHwang79
    @JasonHwang79 Před 7 lety

    Really helpful tip to me. Many thanks!

  • @TDC10000
    @TDC10000 Před 7 lety +4

    Thank you!

  • @DJSidhu24
    @DJSidhu24 Před 4 lety

    Wow what an informative video sir hats off to you 🙏👏🎩😍

  • @walterearl6456
    @walterearl6456 Před 7 lety

    Thanks for showing

  • @stuartwrigglesworth9339

    Fantastic video,

  • @jesuslovestoastyaya
    @jesuslovestoastyaya Před 7 lety

    Love these tips thanks!

  • @hlqa7938
    @hlqa7938 Před 2 lety

    Thanks Jonathan, very useful info on how 2 better use Ozone! Please answer this would u? IF I RECORDED N MIXED DA WHOLE THING, WHY WOULD I EQ DA WHOLE TRACK AT MASTERING, IF I CAN SPECIFICALLY ADJUST EACH SINGLE TRACK?

  • @michaelroman7612
    @michaelroman7612 Před 6 lety

    Helpful video thank you!

  • @stuartwrigglesworth9339

    Amazing

  • @TheDazlermac
    @TheDazlermac Před 7 lety

    Very helpful. Thanks

  • @rrojuan
    @rrojuan Před 3 lety

    thanks very much

  • @planpbeats
    @planpbeats Před 4 lety

    Just awesome.

  • @musicman8942
    @musicman8942 Před 7 lety +1

    Great video as always from Mr. Wyner BUT I have to ask: why, when he's talking about levels and panning at the beginning and how having something panned in the center is louder than if being panned to one side or the other he ignores pan law settings?

  • @the_newvoice
    @the_newvoice Před 2 lety

    [from the back seats] Louder!)))

  • @postunknown6507
    @postunknown6507 Před 4 lety

    really does something!

  • @mikerimi3092
    @mikerimi3092 Před 5 lety

    excellent sir...

  • @EEKmusic
    @EEKmusic Před 7 lety +9

    great video!

  • @ravithompson1082
    @ravithompson1082 Před 6 lety +1

    Starts at 4:15

  • @makerflaker8358
    @makerflaker8358 Před 3 lety

    actually now listening to music in the car is probably the most common way to listen to music

  • @ernie548
    @ernie548 Před 2 lety

    I can't help but notice how the M/S term is maybe not correct for some uses. I thought that referred to a very specific dual microphone stereo recording technique.
    In many places I see it used to refer to Mids and Highs 'separation' through EQ in a regular stereo audio track. That confuses me a bit.

  • @emimele
    @emimele Před 7 lety +2

    I

  • @bitflux2
    @bitflux2 Před rokem

    this guy has sage knowledge on audio minutia

  • @DavidPixleythemuzzlZ
    @DavidPixleythemuzzlZ Před 6 lety +1

    The mid part isn't just the MONO part of the audio. It is also the stereo part of the signal that is identical on both sides. Is that correct?

  • @uk.leonardosants
    @uk.leonardosants Před 6 lety

    Thank you

  • @SonicsStudio
    @SonicsStudio Před 7 lety

    Mehn!! Thank you so much for this.. it really helped.

  • @meddymtata4436
    @meddymtata4436 Před 4 lety

    umetisha dingi

  • @lucciob7317
    @lucciob7317 Před 4 lety

    Nice.

  • @Primo_3
    @Primo_3 Před 4 lety

    Do you switch back to stereo after mid side processing? Would the same changes carry over to stereo or does it requires to remain in mid side mode after processing?

  • @blastwatch4311
    @blastwatch4311 Před 6 lety +1

    How did he focus in the EQ only on a band of the spectrum?

    • @snyshieboo
      @snyshieboo Před 6 lety

      musicdoge hold 'alt' and hold left click

  • @dhruvil_2662
    @dhruvil_2662 Před 5 lety +1

    Which izotope plugin were you using???
    I want to buy that.

  • @tomsivo7749
    @tomsivo7749 Před 5 lety

    The Real Deal...Thanks

  • @VoxJ
    @VoxJ Před 7 lety

    Thanks!

  • @asanx5859
    @asanx5859 Před 7 lety

    This man is a boss

  • @VishGaikwad
    @VishGaikwad Před 5 lety

    Great sir

  • @taurusboom6107
    @taurusboom6107 Před 7 lety

    amazing

  • @andres.giacomini
    @andres.giacomini Před 5 lety

    Hello, I ask you again IZotope, is it very difficult to enable automatic subtitling in Spanish ?. I have no choice but to download the video, upload it to my channel and enable the subtitle myself. Thanks for the videos that go up

  • @tomkent4656
    @tomkent4656 Před 3 lety

    No discussion of side processing in phase correction.

  • @johnhermsen8218
    @johnhermsen8218 Před 7 lety

    newb question here. Live concert taper. Good at capturing great recordings, but still have so much to learn about mastering. Is this all assuming that the master was recorded in mid-side mode? Or is it possible to use the tools he's demonstrating on a regular 2 channel stereo recording

    • @stromkraftnet
      @stromkraftnet Před 7 lety

      I think that description of mid/side glosses over the fact that in mid/side treatment of a master stereo output wrecks pans of mono recordings. There's no magical problem free m/s encoding/decoding without side-effects like this.
      Pans are an important part of the stereo image.There are ways around that of course, but run of the mill m/s will make this happen as a natural effect.

  • @sonsofmen1504
    @sonsofmen1504 Před 7 lety

    perfect

  • @Only1Science
    @Only1Science Před 7 lety

    Sweet!

  • @toolondaboards
    @toolondaboards Před 5 lety

    Mid, side, top and bottom. But does it sound good?!

  • @TheDude-vx6wn
    @TheDude-vx6wn Před 4 lety

    I dig that shirt.

  • @Russia1983
    @Russia1983 Před 7 lety

    Спасибо!очень полезное видео!

  • @npeta666
    @npeta666 Před 7 lety

    Valuable information

  • @joelybarish4618
    @joelybarish4618 Před 5 lety +1

    Disappointed that you didn't address using Mid/Side in the Imager

  • @amperafamily4085
    @amperafamily4085 Před 3 lety +1

    You need to master the sound of this video sir.. the sound not meets the default of standard dB limiter.. ☺️

  • @vahiddjalily8604
    @vahiddjalily8604 Před 4 lety

    what plugin is this?

  • @jillaranda
    @jillaranda Před 2 lety

    that's why you should always sit on the other side of the car for the best experience

  • @nokkusuu
    @nokkusuu Před 7 lety +5

    1:40 the music production community in a nutshell