The Magic Of Mid Side
Vložit
- čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
- In which I show you how simple and elegant mid side matrixing is by writing the code in realtime, and try to encourage you to try your stereo saturation or distortion effects in MS as well as LR. Its not the same!
Music: Rocket Science by Dan Worrall
Available in all the usual places, Bandcamp link below:
dan-worrall.bandcamp.com/trac...
Voxengo MSED (free):
www.voxengo.com/product/msed/
If you like this type of content and you want to see it more often, consider signing up for Channel Membership: / @danworrall
Or you could buy me a coffee ;)
ko-fi.com/danworrall
MS matrix JS code:
Encoder:
--------------------------------------------------------------
desc:DW MS Encoder
//tags: utility mid-side processing
//author: Dan Worrall
in_pin:left input
in_pin:right input
out_pin:mid output
out_pin:side output
@sample
mid = (spl0 + spl1) * 0.5;
side = spl0 - spl1;
spl0 = mid;
spl1 = side;
--------------------------------------------------------------
Decoder:
--------------------------------------------------------------
desc:DW MS Decoder
//tags: utility mid-side processing
//author: Dan Worrall
in_pin:mid input
in_pin:side input
out_pin:left output
out_pin:right output
@sample
left = spl0 + spl1 * 0.5;
right = spl0 - spl1 * 0.5;
spl0 = left;
spl1 = right;
-------------------------------------------------------------- - Jak na to + styl
You are the single CZcams voice that I trust 100%. Others may be at 80-90%. And the rest are grade-E.
You are the only engineer on here that confidently demonstrates that he understands the science behind the art… and how to appropriately and masterfully apply these concepts.
You’ve leveled me up after each video, and I’m grateful.
Thank you, Mr. Worrall
You're leagues ahead of everyone else in terms of audio engineering skill, teaching skill and generosity. Thank you 🙏🙏
God Bless Dan Worrel 🙏🏻🎶🎵
God Bless President Trump🙏🏻🇺🇸
I couldn't fathom the depths, so I got relegated to this sub-commentinent...
@@JimboJones99 Dan Worrall would definitely make a very entertaining president as he would be calling everyone out for their bullshit haha
Yeah he’s easily one of the only influences in my life as an aspiring audio engineer who keeps me going. Dan just gives you amazing knowledge. Anyone else will try to charge you $150+ for a half-assed “masterclass”, which usually ends up as a gloating session for a lot of producers. Shit you not I paid $100 to learn from an artist I used to look up to and everytime I asked a question I’d get “idk what I’m doing I just fill out the frequency spectrum” 🤡
@@JimboJones99 😂😂😂
For anyone using Logic that doesn't know, you can make any plugin stock or 3rd party plugin mid/side by choosing dual mono mode on a stereo track and changing it from Left/Right to Mid/Side.
Even though, half the time I don't know what you're talking about, it's strangely hypnotic and really interesting. One day it'll all click into place. Keep them coming. One of the best channels on CZcams
i have this mindset towards a lot of things but its important to remember that it only will click into place if youre regularly actually doing work and applying the knowledge youre taking in, active learning above passive, easier said than done though, best of luck
That's because he once was a stage hypnotist, in the same sense that Mickey Mouse was a broom hypnotist in Sorcerer's Apprentice. And all the world's a stage, according to Dr Spock.
You’ll get there !
The information Dan is giving does require certain amount of basics about math and physics.
And that can't be explained easily in a video, that needs studying and reading.
Though, to understand this one, high school basic math is enough. I mean, we weren't really explained how you sum signals and how decibels work until high school/vocational school/ polytechnic.
All your videos are brilliant but this one is particularly clear and elegant.
fancy seeing you here....legend
one of your older videos where you demonstrated Voxengo's Sound Delay, in M/S mode, using very small delays between the mid and side (either positive or negative mid relative to side) really opened my eyes (ears?) to how beautifully you can effect the stereo field and perceived depth of a sound with such a simple adjustment.
From there, as above, thinking in terms of effecting only mid or only side, or each in different ways or amounts is, as you said: Magic.
"Thanks again for" creating.
I love the education! And yes it's only a select few distortion plug-ins that has ms mode on them.
It's quite inspiring on how it affects sound.
Thanks Dan!
At first I was worried I was gonna have to save this video until I got into the studio to hear the differences but even on a phone this makes a huge difference and another tool I look forward to trying to exploit on my next mastering session! I’ve used lots of MS on compressors and eqs but never saturation, never really came to mind
Been following you since forever. Live sound and recording guy here from Singapore. Many thanks to the work that you’re doing for the world of ours.
This channel is genius and I was getting back to programming...so this is actually beyond perfect as I can do some audio coding!! And as I am a neophyte on mid side....it will be a brainiac exercise par excellonce!
You're amazing.
what is crazy is that I have been experimenting with this since I got the non MS version of hg2 as Dan did in the giveaway earlier this year. thank you for the cool insights!
Useful information as always, thanks! Also liking the track in the background alot😃
Best channel ever ❤️ grateful for you and your work and immense knowledge that you’re sharing
He's the Magnus Carlsson of the music industry
Just when I think I’ve got an okay grasp of mixing concepts. Dan releases a video.. Thank you.
LOVE the ethereal vocals on this track man!
Saved this to my private playlist for future reference; great work Dan!
Always a bright spot in my day when you post a new video. Thanks!
Really cool track ! (And very interesting content as always)
I particularly enjoyed your backing music in this one. The female vocals really topped it off.
www.plogue.com/products/alter-ego.html
@@DanWorrall Lol I actually have that plugin myself somewhere with a few anime characters. Never used it though.
I've tried loading it since and results were laughably bad! But on that particular day with that particular mix it was just magic :)
Wow - I was thinking it was a Roland V-Synth!
Hey, Dan. The division by root(2) normalizes the linear transformation you've done of the plane, say the (L, R) plane, so that it's a 45° rotation of itself, and we might call the target the (M, S) plane, which is the same thing (just R^2, of course). Written as a linear transformation, it's the 2x2 matrix of 1s with the lower-left entry a -1 (for the inverse, it's the upper right entry as -1), but with the scalar root(2)/2 (= 1/root(2)) as a multiplier.
There are a couple of interesting corollaries to this, namely, that the vertical movement of a stylus on a vinyl record is actually the mid channel (using the root(2)/2 version, that is) and the horizontal movement is the side channel.
Secondly, there is a continuum of rotations of the (L, R) plane that are possible, not just 45°, which could be used exactly as mid-side is used (e.g., rotate the plane by an angle theta, do some processing, and rotate it back by -theta), and might be musically interesting. It would be absolutely trivial to write these transformations for reaper, once you have the mathematics of it conceptualized.
You are absolutely correct! You're describing the Blumlein stereophonic field. Can you please point me to more in depth information/background on this subject? Jim
Big brain post. Thank you for sharing this insight!
❤️
Been waiting for this, thank you sir!
I did precisely this with JSFX years ago (including compensating the volume using the square root of 2 so I could use a single plugin for both).
I'm rather chuffed to see something I worked out myself in a video from someone I respect so much.
M/S makes a huge difference. Great tip. Thanks man!
As always, perfect timing. Just ran my new culture vulture in m/s, it's incredible
When you hit like, and comment, during the pre-roll ad... Keep doing what you do man, we love it!.. 🙏
Why do you give us all these incredible tricks? I’m so grateful
Everyone said this to me when I said I wanted to start a channel sharing my knowledge.
"Why give away all your secrets"
They were worried because I was their best engineer/producer.
But none of us progress if we don't share what we've figured out.
And there's no danger anyway, the 'secret' is just 20+ years of ear training and practice there's still no short cut for that regardless of how many tricks you pass on!
I've become addicted to the dopamine hit when a video does well. It's like a computer game :)
Didnt expect to get a lesson in coding but it is what these options run on. Thx for the in depth review.
Dan’s videos make me happy, part 2
'its not so complicated, really
lets write some code!'
dan you're the best! for real! i am very thankful for the cheeky knowledge you implant in my brain!
That was really beautiful - I have no idea why this coding example has helped me understand mid/side, since I do not ever code.
would love to see an in-depth tutorial about M/S compression with an emphasis on not just what it is or how it works but *why* you'd want to do it and a few demonstrations of its possible effects. Also--the backing track is your best tune to date, IMO.
every time you upload bro thats like a second birthday
No better way to start a sunday afternoon then with a bowl of cereal, a spliff and a new dan worall video.
Thank you Dan! Your knowledge is huuge!
Thanks. Grateful as always for your sharing.
Thank you Dan. I've used the MS JS plugin that already comes with Reaper but I'm surly gonna test yours. Much appreciated.
Another interesting trick for saturation plugins is to invert the phase of one channel before the plugin and invert it back after the output.
I'm intrigued, what is the sonic effect of this trick?
Polarity, not phase. If you inverted the phase, the signal would be running backwards. :)
@@1b2m if someone understand something as phrase and you got what they meant then quit the fake grammar lesson
@@jj4l Right, because that's what Dan's channel is all about, not insisting on details and getting things right, just being content with wishy-washy brushed-the-surface does-the-trick. And for what it's worth, correcting someone's incorrect use of a word is not a grammar lesson, it's a vocabulary lesson. You're welcome.
Phase is correct. First, because flipping polarity results in 180 degs phase shift. Second, because it's common usage and everyone understands the term.
You're correct that I usually try to use the term polarity when that's what I'm talking about, but only because it's more specific, not because it's more correct.
YOU are magic, this videos are incredibly helpful!!
Wonderful piece you wrote.
Mid side needs to be a lot more mainstream than it is! Thanks for pushing the ball a few more yards down that field Dan. The amount of mixing I can accomplish just pulling away junk with ProQ 3 mid-band cuts continues to amaze me.
thats cause the pros know using Mid side eq on everything ruins your sound....
Dan thanks a lot for this, only you would be able to explain this in such simple way and at the same time include a big nugger in the middle of the video. you rock for real.
Love these videos! Thank you for everything you do!
My head is spinning; will have to watch this a few times, lol.
Thanks professor Worrall! :)
Again... Dan is one of the few who can truly call themselves an audio ENGINEER... I've met too many who proclaim themselves to be audio engineers, but lack the scientific understanding of what the hell signal processing actually is, how human hearing and perception really works etc.
But Dan... he's an ENGINEER.
or you could just spring for the Blackbox HG-MS plug. LOL, just bustin on ya Dan. You're the best!
I love that this starts with you writing a plugin _in the DAW's built in plugin editor._ Try that in any other DAW but REAPER.
Love the music! 💚
I would have never known this… another tool I can add to my engineering 💼. Thank you
Holy s*** I've luckily never needed to use the Enc/Dec in MSED, I have MS plugins. I've had it for many years, of course because of you. lol But no where in the Manual does it clear up that the Side channels would be more quite than the Mono. Wow, & that's why FabFilter approaches you for them tutorials❤🔥. Loved how you said at the end "or adjust it by ear like a normal person". 👏(I'm always adjusting either way haha)
Love you Dan! You're my kind of engineer
Love your videos♥️
Priceless...
Awesome! The really interesting thing is the effect that intermodulation has on the perceived stereo image; it’s a night and day difference. Maybe not right for everything but definitely worth auditioning and playing with. Fantastic as always Dan 🙏
I love the conclusion 😁
This is genius how have I not thought of it before!
Really like the song you wrote for backing this video, I think you've used it before. Either way, it's a keeper!
We, this is brilliant! :) Thanks Dan, please make a video with other Tukan plugins, some of them seem very interesting. :)
Thanks Dan 🏆🥇
Is Dan Worrel the Jimi Hendrix of DAWs? Seriously Dan, we love your stuff and IMO it is next level. Thank you so much for sharing it. FWIW lot of us speak code. It will be like knowing how to use a compressor in the future.
Mid-side is easy in FL, using Patcher, and I pretty much use it on every sound I want wide. Fruity Stereo Shaper does a really good job with that.
the M / S technique is very interesting and very important. Very important
Midside is my GOTO since years, not on all songs for sure but the ones i mid and side and then even sidechained the sides with the mid as the input 😂 all those tracks really sound insanely good on my IEMs
Ableton's 'Utility' plugin. Right click over width, and mid/side becomes a ratio.
Waves StudioRack. Create parallel channels. Toggle the setting at the top of the channels (stereo, l, r, mid, side).
Man, you make some cool friggin music
Brilliant video. I always thought mid/side was some kind of audio voodoo that only engineers who wore aviator sunglasses and drank mead could comprehend. Thanks!
Dan once again pushing the audio engineering boat out to new and beautiful places
I don't think he's pushing it to new places as much as he's showing how low the bar for an "audio ´engineer´ " has been for a long time... it's so often self proclaimed title thrown around by people who do not fill the requirements to call themselves engineers to impress their clients and bill more money from them.
I've always hated it, for example I've met so many high earning guys that do not have a clue how compressor really works and what happens to the signal and how it's distorted by different adjustments on the front panel... they just wing it and by trial and error they find something "pleasing" without any clue what they're actually doing.
To be an engineer is to be well read in math, physics and to have been spend those ~4 years after high school in higher education and to have gotten a degree. Or at least have all that knowledge expected.
If you do and ask a self proclaimed audio engineer "to explain what does Nyquist Shannon Sampling Theorem say about AD converting a signal and DSP" and they look at you like "a what now??"... they're full of it. It's basics and fundamental theorem that should be understood by an Engineer. Among various, various other concepts around signals and waves.
Good audio engineer also understands basics of electronics (on component level, how to make circuits and how different analog circuits work) and programming (because of DSP) and because 99% of audio is about electronics recording, altering and reproducing signals. If they don't know what "ohms law" is, or "draw me rough sketch of how mic pre-amplifier works" or "if i want to break down a sampled signal into it's constituent frequencies, what is that process called?"
Almost any true Audio Engineer can do these things... they might not remember the details or be specialized on mic pre-amplifiers or DSP as such, but these are the basics that you need...
I know all this stuff. I'm electronics designer, AV technician, programmer, AV service technician etc... but since I haven't done to work and gone through the higher education, i restrain myself from calling myself an engineer.
And so should everyone else if they haven't done the works :)
As someone with a modular synth, Mid/Side is a great way to use two different analog synth filters on a stereo source without running into accidental panning issues (because e.g. you might have two different filters instead of two perfectly calibrated ones of the same type).
enjoyed this one
Super! Dan! Thanks to you I have gained so many useful things. this is amazing, thanks a lot! I really respect you;)
In one of your videos you noticed that mixing records and live sound have different philosophy and approach. Could you expand on this topic?
Could you share your knowledge of live sound? Personally for me it would be very interesting (not only because I'm your fan).
Please 👍🏼 the comment if the topic is important to you too.
Ur legit the GOAT!!!!!!
goes crazy
Great educational video. Actually the very simple matrix (L+R)+(L-R) =2L and (L+R)-(L-R) = 2R and we get louder channels once we know it, presumably we can manage it
I found M/S very early in my career, when I would try anything. Many of my recordings are either only an M/S decoded pair - usually U87 - or traditional multitrack with a featured M/S pair. There are countless advantages along the way, like a perfect center channel whether or not I have the time to make stereo. The ability to edit the microphone ‘positions’ after the fact is as close as it gets to a free lunch.
Never thought I'd be getting a basic coding lesson in a music production video but here I am.
This is why the vertigo and black box are sooooo goood
Very cool!
I rewatched just because it makes me feel good 👍
Superb vid
Hey Dan! Thanks for the great content as usual!
I was wondering if you would care to make a video about mid/side compression, preferably with the FabFilter Pro-C 2 included, to educate about any problems that might occur, as well as sharing the way you maybe like to- or would use them and when you would avoid them.
Personally, regarding the plugin, I’m eager to know if there are any risks of causing issues by NOT dragging the wet- and dry “m/s-panners” fully to each side and instead having a blend.
Thanks again!
Would be cool if you could teach us how the "focus" and "field" stuff in the Mr.MS plugin works. It seems really interesting, making side information from the mids and vice versa, but it's only avalible with I-Lok so It'll sure as hell not end up on my PC.
I need more lessons on m/s mixing, Dan, if you haven’t made a beginner tutorial on m/s processing,pls make one! I need to know how this works.
Love the song
Shoutout to Mid/Side for being easier to work with in general than L/R (unless you're mixing only acoustic audio/instruments in which case L/R is specifically very useful).
I'd like to also mention Mid/Side expansion (or compression) for being very useful on all sorts of things, gating the Mid of a reverb bus more aggressively than the Side can be a useful way of making room for other elements (as is expansion/gating reverb in general).
Very nifty Professor Worrall 🤨👍🏽
Thanks
the other day I was thinking about how with balanced audio you could make a passive encoder and decoder, i've been meaning to do it i just keep forgetting, def making me want to though
I wonder if this explains the 'bug' I always experience in Slate's Vari MU compressor. its MS mode seems do have much less internal headroom.
dan, man these videos are gold and the depth of your understanding is unmatched, where have you learned all this? have you figured it yourself or was it through school? i really need to know
No schooling. I dived in and learnt on the job.
And just like that I finally understand what mid-side even is
in reason i have a ms matrix using the two Thor synths lol. Nice point about where to put the gain compensation
You're amazing
amazing
always awesome when i see how you use the same (not all) plug ins that i use. but your way is another world. it´s so much fun to see, how you can use a plug in. fucking great^^ and i get knowledge. ithat´s not easy^^ so thanks and have a good time. greetz from germany
every time i see a tutorial like this from you my brain literally explodes
If your brain has literally exploded, I recommend you make an urgent appointment to see a plugin doctor.
great video
M/S is one of the final frontiers I'm trying to tackle in my mixing repertoire. can't quite wrap my head around where it fits in my processing chain and why I would use it. I know what it does, but it's not quite intuitional yet. hope this video answers some of those questions.
Thanks mr Worrall. impressive skills. my solution would employ a bit of algebra with a level variable to solve for the actual ratio of relative gains to be encoder and decoder forward/backward compatible.
did u imagine one plugin made it all by dan? wonderful
Note that Reaper already comes with m/s encoder and decoder in JS by default.
Yesterday your "Delta" bus saved my life 😁
Can't wait to see this video 😊