Being from the UK, England specifically but very near the Welsh border and have travelled to Wales often all over it, I can say he is telling a big lie talking about supermarkets not having vegan items, the big UK supermarkets are all over Wales in more rural areas there are smaller versions of the big ones or co-op, Aldi and Lidl are present which all offer vegan items but all have lentils, chickpeas and other basics.
Very, very good outreach Cip!!! It's almost painful to listen to people talking about their taste for meat and "protein being the cornerstone of our diet". There is no excuse for abuse, exploitation and murder for taste preferences or protein. Vegan for the animals💚
it is scary when people say they will only change if the law forces them to, probably the same person would then turn around and say that they do not want to live in a nanny state where the government dictates their choices❣
"where I'm from meat eating is important". That's BS. He sounds like he is from Wales in the UK. It's ridiculously easy to eat a plant based diet in the UK.
Oh haha it turns out he is from Wales after all. Yeah, he is talking nonsense. Animal agriculture has absolutely destroyed Wales. Just look at the state of the river Wye. Getting vegan food in Wales is incredibly easy.
Phew, he should write a book on all excuses needed to avoid becoming vegan ! Excellent vegan outreach, great job on keeping the conversation focused and holding him accountable for the suffering and death caused because of his food choices. Is it a lack of compassion, lack of empathy or just a very closed mind that prevents some people from evolving ? It takes courage, compassion and integrity to change, some people seem to be incapable.
I think your line of questioning at the beginning is one of the best in terms of outreach, really shows how people immediately back track everything they agreed with during the questions when it comes to animals
Brilliant outreach. His turn around from being against abuse to be an animal cruelty supporter was ridiculous. These types are psychopaths dressed up as " normal ".
He is also wrong about numbers of vegans in the UK, last year vegan numbers went up by over 1 million new Vegans. I would assume he likes to watch Piers Moron as he is using the stupid avocado excuse but forgetting how many more times damage animal flesh does. That's without even going into the ethics side.
That's complete horseshit. You're saying over 14% of UK residents became vegan last year. Nonsense. According to your numbers within 7-8 years everyone will be vegan?
All protein comes from plants. Where do the animals get the protein we get from them? Plants! Oh some are different from us in how they digest things? Yeah but some aren't and can still get everything they need from plants, and so can we.
Very good way to let them tell you how they are opposed to forcing someone to do something or that they are against violence - and then they have to admit that they ignore all that because it's convenient or beneficial for them to do so. And because their victims are different or less worthy of rights. Slave owners would have made the same excuses - that the slaves were less worthy of rights or not able to fully appreciate freedom.
I love how the pot belly has the most health conscious pretensions about 'protein'. I've been a vegan athlete for the past 5 years and have reached the top percentile of my sport for my gender and weight category.
This is so inspiring! Please don't stop spreading the word! 🎉 i love the fact that you are one of those people questioning peoples choices and make them think about their actions, even if you havent changed these people's minds i have no doubt it wont change others minds by exposing these facts. Veganism needs to have a bigger voice and the more people that stand up to this rather than being made ashamed about their diets the better. Thank you for educating these people and many others🙏
You are completely right! More people need to be educated and more people need to make the change, not come up with an insane amount of excuses. Thanks for watching and commenting 💚🤗 it helps with the algorithm and thus getting more nonvegans to watch it
What a dishonest, selfish man. Constantly trying to deflect and justify his behaviour. Well done for keeping so calm and holding him accountable. Great outreach 💚
Wow, this guy had a nerve to mention herd mentality, when he is the epitomy of herd mentality. Goes against any morals, blindly follows legality for his own selfish reasons.
No he was definitely right you are 🐑, all of you regurgitate the same thing that you got from videos like this instead of actually attempting to interpret and comprehend data yourselves.
Very good video Cip, I like that you use more actual footage than the AI images you have been using in the previous videos. Keep doing that! Keep it up! (From an artist who dont support AI images)
I try to use as much actual footage as I can. If not, AI art works, cause I’m not much of an artist myself. If you have some art that you think I could use instead of the AI (made by yourself), I’d gladly use it and tag you when it shows up. Just putting it out there- feel free to say no 🤗
That was very frustrating to watch just because he was listening and agreeing but simply refusing to take any responsibility for his actions. You did so amazingly well. I would have lost my cool at several points at how arrogant his points of view were and that massive block that he has between his morals and his actions. Like “yeah, it’s not a justification but I don’t care I’m still gonna harm animals”. You definitely gave him a lot to think about. Maybe he will reflect, maybe he won’t. I guess it’s a numbers game. Your videos are very inspiring, though. I love starting with this consent stuff ❤
Just found your channel. Amazing way to open up the conversation with showing that ‘logically’ they are vegan. It is only after realizing that their own logic will require change that they backpedal.
I have tried and want to keep trying all sorts of methods to open up the conversation. But, it seems like whatever method it is, if people are not ready, they’re not ready
Doesn't matter how remote you are, if you have a friendly conversation with your grocer they'll order bags of dry lentils, chic peas, quinoa, kidney beans, TVP, falafel, tofu etc because they cost like a couple quid and you're asking them to order it because you're committed to buying some. They can get these products from the same suppliers and then suddenly they're available to anyone else in the area
Great effort here. He was too blocked and set, unfortunately. Hopefully you planted a strong seed in his mind that will grow and create change from within himself.
.. Longest living people on Earth, are vegan. PIaque forms eating animals. Plant-based/vegans don’t have pIaque. ✅♥️😬🐒🐵🦧🦍👱🏼♂️👩🏽😉. Buddhist monks most of them are vegan ✅♥️💪😬😉.. !!
12:20 he says its ok to harm animals because of yummy yummy enjoyment and that of something is immoral he will continue to do it unless the government tells him not to. Good outreach. I'm sure he will think about this conversation
I am quite sympathetic to the vegan lifestyle, ethics, and credo, and myself consistently eat around 98% plant based. A few points though: If people really and truly want to live up to that set of ethics, then they really shouldn't be keeping animals as pets. In many ways, it is a life of servitude and non consent. You are forcing an animal to live in a human world-a world they don't really understand or fully harmonize with. If given the opportunity, most animals would spend the majority of their of time outside, though many are smart enough to equate inside with safety, warmth, dryness, food, etc as well, so some will also want to spend some time inside as well. But it is clear that most animals greatly enjoy the outside and prefer to be out among nature, rather than cooped up (there are exceptions to this trend, just as there are exceptions to almost any other trend). If we experienced a complete collapse of civilization tomorrow, do people that eat solely vegan/plant based, believe that they would be able to continue that lifestyle and dietary privilege? Would you hunt, eat meat and/or animal products if starvation and death were part of the picture? Most people in developed nations haven't experienced true, starvation levels of hunger (where the fat stores have worn down so much, that the body starts to cannibalize muscle and other tissues, and you start to die). I've done a 10 day water fast. That was nothing, because I still had plenty of fat left at the end. It was not even close to starvation. I bring that last one up for a reason; a lot of people may not know this, but the Earth's magnetic field is in a process of major change between both the magnetic poles moving rapidly away from their original positions and simultaneously the field strength/intensity is rapidly decreasing, at an ever faster and faster rate (and will do so, until the poles flip and the field re-stabilizes). To put things into perspective, from 1850 to 2000, the earth's magnetic field strength decreased about 10%, but from 2000 to currently, it has further decreased about another 10% (a lot of sites/sources are not fully up to date on this btw, and some are downright inaccurate, including even official ones * ). The process of weakening is ever picking up more speed. Researchers get together every certain period of years to check on the magnetic field as to strength and polar positions. The last time they got together (before this most recent one), they had to push that date up closer because GPS etc started to be affected and needed to be re-calibrated sooner. Who cares right? The Earth's magnetic field acts as a very real and important protective shield in relation to energetic Solar events like Solar flares and especially CME's. With E.M.F. getting weaker and weaker, at an ever faster rate, we, and especially our electrical grid systems, are less and less protected in relation to powerful energetic Solar events. And the greater and greater the probability that a Solar storm will take out those electrical grid systems. It will not take a Carrington level event to do so (estimated to be around X40 rating), anymore, especially not in the near to nearish future. We are currently entering the peak of this cycles Solar maximum, and will likely be in same for the next couple of years. It is becoming more and more probable that this current civilization will collapse in the near future. And not if during this Solar max peak, then definitely at the next in 10 to 12 or so years at the next Solar max peak when the field is even significantly weaker than now. Meanwhile, eat vegan, because you can. But the practical feasibility of you completely doing so during and post collapse is very, very unlikely. One food that will be helpful in that, will be edible duckweed as to the B-12, omega 3, and high, complete protein content (nutrients that tend to be lower in plant foods vs animal foods). Course you will need some kind of food with much higher calories also, such as starches, seeds, and/or nuts. * I have begun to suspect that the authorities i.e. government and government connected groups, are deliberately obfuscating this issue some, because they don't want to panic people. It is a very worrisome issue, if you understand the ramifications. Yet we hear so little about it in the media, and when we do, we only hear about the research which states long term polar flipping (taking thousands of years) and not the research that states that it can happen in as little as 80 years from start to finish (see Berkley et al.). Not surprisingly, different cycles can take different amounts of time. But we do know that scientists have been caught off guard and unexpectedly so, by the current changes. For example, they didn't expect to have to do that remeasuring and re-calibration when they had to. The changes are going faster than they had expected/estimated. We are well past the 80 year mark and so clearly it is not as fast as that cycle was, but it also isn't clearly going to take a thousand plus years either. And most importantly, _nor does the magnetic field strength need to be anywhere close to 0 for an electrical based civilization to crash from a strong Solar storm._
Just to be clear.. when he said that Jehovah’s witnesses come to your door.. all they are asking people to do is to educate themselves on what the Bible is actually saying and how people can benefit from it. When Jesus was on the Earth, he preached to everyone about the Kingdom of God and what will take place here on earth and he wanted everyone to hear his message likewise JWs are following his footsteps.
Carnists always spew out the same nonsensical arguments as if they're all robots programmed to say the same things🫤🫤🫤 Great work Cip🤗🤗🤗🐄🐖🐔🐟🐟🐟♥️♥️♥️🦊🐻🪳💚💚💚
😂 the absolute irony and hypocrisy, are you that delusional and biased you can't see that in just this comment section alone? Every cult does it, don't act like yours isn't the same.
Being from the UK, England specifically but very near the Welsh border and have travelled to Wales often all over it, I can say he is telling a big lie talking about supermarkets not having vegan items, the big UK supermarkets are all over Wales in more rural areas there are smaller versions of the big ones or co-op, Aldi and Lidl are present which all offer vegan items but all have lentils, chickpeas and other basics.
I thought so. Thanks for clearing it up 🤗💚
Very, very good outreach Cip!!!
It's almost painful to listen to people talking about their taste for meat and "protein being the cornerstone of our diet".
There is no excuse for abuse, exploitation and murder for taste preferences or protein.
Vegan for the animals💚
it is scary when people say they will only change if the law forces them to, probably the same person would then turn around and say that they do not want to live in a nanny state where the government dictates their choices❣
Exactly, well said
That is so true.. it’s just another way of dodging responsibility
3:48
'I don't eat a lot of meat THO'
This is such a common but morally pointless response. 🙄
Indeed. It’s like saying “i’m only racist on weekends though”…
Thanks, Louis 🤗💚
Good grief, it's like having a conversation with David Brent. Great job keeping the focus on this guys victims
Hahaha… 😂
🤣 Except David Brent is actually vegan lol
💚💚💚💚💚🌱thanks so much, Cip!🌱
Thank you so much, Ally 🤗💚
"where I'm from meat eating is important". That's BS. He sounds like he is from Wales in the UK. It's ridiculously easy to eat a plant based diet in the UK.
Oh haha it turns out he is from Wales after all. Yeah, he is talking nonsense. Animal agriculture has absolutely destroyed Wales. Just look at the state of the river Wye. Getting vegan food in Wales is incredibly easy.
200 miles out of Wales in any direction takes you completely out of Britain and into the sea. He is chatting shite.
Good to know. Thanks for clearing that up 🤗💚
Phew, he should write a book on all excuses needed to avoid becoming vegan !
Excellent vegan outreach, great job on keeping the conversation focused and holding him accountable for the suffering and death caused because of his food choices.
Is it a lack of compassion, lack of empathy or just a very closed mind that prevents some people from evolving ?
It takes courage, compassion and integrity to change, some people seem to be incapable.
He definitely was dodging his responsibility. Thanks, JiradV, 🤗💚
Some people are simply not nice.
I think your line of questioning at the beginning is one of the best in terms of outreach, really shows how people immediately back track everything they agreed with during the questions when it comes to animals
That man is a winner of carnist bingo! Wow! Impressive array of excuses, well done cip ❤
Indeed. A bingo may have yielded very powerful results 🤗💚
Brilliant outreach. His turn around from being against abuse to be an animal cruelty supporter was ridiculous. These types are psychopaths dressed up as " normal ".
As usual, nice work Cip! 🙌🌱💯💚
Thank you, Donna 🙏🤗💚 i appreciate you
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He is also wrong about numbers of vegans in the UK, last year vegan numbers went up by over 1 million new Vegans.
I would assume he likes to watch Piers Moron as he is using the stupid avocado excuse but forgetting how many more times damage animal flesh does. That's without even going into the ethics side.
That's complete horseshit. You're saying over 14% of UK residents became vegan last year. Nonsense. According to your numbers within 7-8 years everyone will be vegan?
That was brilliant Cip , luckily you have a lot of patience , seemed like hard work .
Thanks, Martin 🙏🤗💚 he had so many excuses…
All protein comes from plants. Where do the animals get the protein we get from them? Plants! Oh some are different from us in how they digest things? Yeah but some aren't and can still get everything they need from plants, and so can we.
If I and this man lived 400 years ago.....He would have been the man who would have enslaved me, and he would have thought it was totally OK.
Yeah.. it seems like he just accepts any injustice as long as it’s “normal”.
Thanks for watching and commenting 🙏🤗💚
Great conversation. You have gained confidence 🙌
Thanks, Josh! Yes, I did
Very good way to let them tell you how they are opposed to forcing someone to do something or that they are against violence - and then they have to admit that they ignore all that because it's convenient or beneficial for them to do so. And because their victims are different or less worthy of rights. Slave owners would have made the same excuses - that the slaves were less worthy of rights or not able to fully appreciate freedom.
Bread, oats, pasta, peanut butter, fruit, veggies, beans....you it's so hard to find "vegan food" 🙄
Thank you for standing up for animals 💖💖💖💖
I love how the pot belly has the most health conscious pretensions about 'protein'. I've been a vegan athlete for the past 5 years and have reached the top percentile of my sport for my gender and weight category.
That’s awesome! Congrats! It is, indeed, a bit ironic.
Can I ask, what sport do you play?
@@veganpowerlab thanks! I always love surprising people when they ask what I eat :) I do calisthenics!
@@RapidBlindfolds damn.. calisthenics are hard. That’s awesome! You’re good to be used as an example
For me, this was your best one
7:16 that's why u r there, to stand up for the voiceless.
This is so inspiring! Please don't stop spreading the word! 🎉 i love the fact that you are one of those people questioning peoples choices and make them think about their actions, even if you havent changed these people's minds i have no doubt it wont change others minds by exposing these facts. Veganism needs to have a bigger voice and the more people that stand up to this rather than being made ashamed about their diets the better. Thank you for educating these people and many others🙏
You are completely right! More people need to be educated and more people need to make the change, not come up with an insane amount of excuses.
Thanks for watching and commenting 💚🤗 it helps with the algorithm and thus getting more nonvegans to watch it
@@veganpowerlab 💯! Keep it up 🥳
Veganism is hard for selfish people. Sad but true.
So true. And, sadly, seems like a lot of people resort to selfishness when confronted with the opportunity to change.
Thank you for doing what you do! I'm happy to say I haven't supported animal abuse for 5 years. I'll always regret the time before I was vegan.
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Ulf 🤗💚
Well done Cip, 👍🙏✌😊🌱
Great work. Thank you.💚💚💚
Thank you so much 🙏🤗💚
You are getting better and better 💪🌱. Keep up the great work! 🖖
Thank you so much 🙏 that’s the goal 🤗💚
Well, the actual goal is to get people to stop paying for animal exploitation, but that’s the next step
What a dishonest, selfish man. Constantly trying to deflect and justify his behaviour. Well done for keeping so calm and holding him accountable. Great outreach 💚
Wow, this guy had a nerve to mention herd mentality, when he is the epitomy of herd mentality.
Goes against any morals, blindly follows legality for his own selfish reasons.
No he was definitely right you are 🐑, all of you regurgitate the same thing that you got from videos like this instead of actually attempting to interpret and comprehend data yourselves.
Poor entitled clotpole. Embarrassing. Great patience trying to get through to that one.
Anywhere in wales you can get a great supermarket within short drive. Not 200 miles drive as he says. He is not being honest
It seems like it. Thanks for mentioning it! Just excuses.. 🤗💚
That was good.
You should have way more subscribers! This guy is a boatload of excuses. Well done!
Thank you so much 🙏🤗 working on it 💚
Wow, he was trying so hard…….but you didn’t let him off, well done!
I tried not to let him off, but he just had every excuse out there
Very good video Cip, I like that you use more actual footage than the AI images you have been using in the previous videos. Keep doing that! Keep it up! (From an artist who dont support AI images)
I try to use as much actual footage as I can. If not, AI art works, cause I’m not much of an artist myself.
If you have some art that you think I could use instead of the AI (made by yourself), I’d gladly use it and tag you when it shows up. Just putting it out there- feel free to say no 🤗
Mad Max is a good documentary.
Keep doing what you are doing!! Great content as always 💗💗💗
Thank you, Valeria! I appreciate you 🤗💚
That was very frustrating to watch just because he was listening and agreeing but simply refusing to take any responsibility for his actions.
You did so amazingly well. I would have lost my cool at several points at how arrogant his points of view were and that massive block that he has between his morals and his actions. Like “yeah, it’s not a justification but I don’t care I’m still gonna harm animals”.
You definitely gave him a lot to think about. Maybe he will reflect, maybe he won’t. I guess it’s a numbers game.
Your videos are very inspiring, though. I love starting with this consent stuff ❤
Just found your channel. Amazing way to open up the conversation with showing that ‘logically’ they are vegan. It is only after realizing that their own logic will require change that they backpedal.
I have tried and want to keep trying all sorts of methods to open up the conversation. But, it seems like whatever method it is, if people are not ready, they’re not ready
Stick around 🤗
Way to go dude. Nice work. This was a tough one
It was a tough one, indeed.. I don’t think that he’ll change anything though
Hey you forgot the vegan restaurant recommendation again!
Doesn't matter how remote you are, if you have a friendly conversation with your grocer they'll order bags of dry lentils, chic peas, quinoa, kidney beans, TVP, falafel, tofu etc because they cost like a couple quid and you're asking them to order it because you're committed to buying some. They can get these products from the same suppliers and then suddenly they're available to anyone else in the area
Great stuff man
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Great effort here. He was too blocked and set, unfortunately. Hopefully you planted a strong seed in his mind that will grow and create change from within himself.
Great job!
interesting how he goes from ethical to non ethical within one interview. he denies every argument he made in the beginning.
.. Longest living people on Earth, are vegan.
PIaque forms eating animals. Plant-based/vegans don’t have pIaque. ✅♥️😬🐒🐵🦧🦍👱🏼♂️👩🏽😉. Buddhist monks most of them are vegan ✅♥️💪😬😉.. !!
.. Jeffr👓yD🍖🔴…. 🤦🏼♂️
🐔⭕️🥚🐣🍳🤢
Buddhist monks are not vegan.
12:20 he says its ok to harm animals because of yummy yummy enjoyment and that of something is immoral he will continue to do it unless the government tells him not to.
Good outreach. I'm sure he will think about this conversation
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It is so funny that this guy claims he needs protein. Has he even seen the size of your arms? Haha. Especially during that blurry part around 12:00
Hahaha.. they seem to always think that protein only comes from animals
At the beginning, maybe ask if they would value consent
if the victim was an alien from a different species?
I am quite sympathetic to the vegan lifestyle, ethics, and credo, and myself consistently eat around 98% plant based. A few points though:
If people really and truly want to live up to that set of ethics, then they really shouldn't be keeping animals as pets. In many ways, it is a life of servitude and non consent. You are forcing an animal to live in a human world-a world they don't really understand or fully harmonize with. If given the opportunity, most animals would spend the majority of their of time outside, though many are smart enough to equate inside with safety, warmth, dryness, food, etc as well, so some will also want to spend some time inside as well. But it is clear that most animals greatly enjoy the outside and prefer to be out among nature, rather than cooped up (there are exceptions to this trend, just as there are exceptions to almost any other trend).
If we experienced a complete collapse of civilization tomorrow, do people that eat solely vegan/plant based, believe that they would be able to continue that lifestyle and dietary privilege? Would you hunt, eat meat and/or animal products if starvation and death were part of the picture? Most people in developed nations haven't experienced true, starvation levels of hunger (where the fat stores have worn down so much, that the body starts to cannibalize muscle and other tissues, and you start to die). I've done a 10 day water fast. That was nothing, because I still had plenty of fat left at the end. It was not even close to starvation.
I bring that last one up for a reason; a lot of people may not know this, but the Earth's magnetic field is in a process of major change between both the magnetic poles moving rapidly away from their original positions and simultaneously the field strength/intensity is rapidly decreasing, at an ever faster and faster rate (and will do so, until the poles flip and the field re-stabilizes).
To put things into perspective, from 1850 to 2000, the earth's magnetic field strength decreased about 10%, but from 2000 to currently, it has further decreased about another 10% (a lot of sites/sources are not fully up to date on this btw, and some are downright inaccurate, including even official ones * ). The process of weakening is ever picking up more speed. Researchers get together every certain period of years to check on the magnetic field as to strength and polar positions. The last time they got together (before this most recent one), they had to push that date up closer because GPS etc started to be affected and needed to be re-calibrated sooner.
Who cares right? The Earth's magnetic field acts as a very real and important protective shield in relation to energetic Solar events like Solar flares and especially CME's. With E.M.F. getting weaker and weaker, at an ever faster rate, we, and especially our electrical grid systems, are less and less protected in relation to powerful energetic Solar events. And the greater and greater the probability that a Solar storm will take out those electrical grid systems. It will not take a Carrington level event to do so (estimated to be around X40 rating), anymore, especially not in the near to nearish future.
We are currently entering the peak of this cycles Solar maximum, and will likely be in same for the next couple of years. It is becoming more and more probable that this current civilization will collapse in the near future. And not if during this Solar max peak, then definitely at the next in 10 to 12 or so years at the next Solar max peak when the field is even significantly weaker than now.
Meanwhile, eat vegan, because you can. But the practical feasibility of you completely doing so during and post collapse is very, very unlikely. One food that will be helpful in that, will be edible duckweed as to the B-12, omega 3, and high, complete protein content (nutrients that tend to be lower in plant foods vs animal foods). Course you will need some kind of food with much higher calories also, such as starches, seeds, and/or nuts.
* I have begun to suspect that the authorities i.e. government and government connected groups, are deliberately obfuscating this issue some, because they don't want to panic people. It is a very worrisome issue, if you understand the ramifications. Yet we hear so little about it in the media, and when we do, we only hear about the research which states long term polar flipping (taking thousands of years) and not the research that states that it can happen in as little as 80 years from start to finish (see Berkley et al.). Not surprisingly, different cycles can take different amounts of time. But we do know that scientists have been caught off guard and unexpectedly so, by the current changes. For example, they didn't expect to have to do that remeasuring and re-calibration when they had to. The changes are going faster than they had expected/estimated. We are well past the 80 year mark and so clearly it is not as fast as that cycle was, but it also isn't clearly going to take a thousand plus years either. And most importantly, _nor does the magnetic field strength need to be anywhere close to 0 for an electrical based civilization to crash from a strong Solar storm._
17:58 wow this guy is such a weak person. So selfish and self centred
💯 very selfish
Just to be clear.. when he said that Jehovah’s witnesses come to your door.. all they are asking people to do is to educate themselves on what the Bible is actually saying and how people can benefit from it.
When Jesus was on the Earth, he preached to everyone about the Kingdom of God and what will take place here on earth and he wanted everyone to hear his message likewise JWs are following his footsteps.
The problem is you are arguing for "someone" or "person" and in modern language that still means a human.
Carnists always spew out the same nonsensical arguments as if they're all robots programmed to say the same things🫤🫤🫤
Great work Cip🤗🤗🤗🐄🐖🐔🐟🐟🐟♥️♥️♥️🦊🐻🪳💚💚💚
Thank you so much, Nataly 🤗💚
😂 the absolute irony and hypocrisy, are you that delusional and biased you can't see that in just this comment section alone? Every cult does it, don't act like yours isn't the same.
21:44 am.inwrong. those people they ate were already dead that they ate, from the crash.
. They didn't murder people