The real fighting styles behind Metal Gear Solid's CQC, explained
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
- Let's take a moment to remember the basics of CQC. Snake's unique fighting style is a grab bag of martial arts maneuvers from Japan and beyond, that he uses to impressive effect. We break down one of his coolest fight scenes from Metal Gear Solid move-by-move to see what we can learn.
0:00 What are military martial arts?
0:35 Breaking down CQC
1:30 CQC and Judo
2:03 CQC and Aikido
2:35 CQC and Bayonets
2:59 Horizontal butt-stroke
3:20 Why CQC is non-lethal
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Even the basics of CQC is too powerful for Saitama.
He couldn’t remember the basics
I've been training in judo for 13 years, and have been coaching/instructing judo for about five years now or so... I absolutely love seeing techniques like this in video games.
What I love about Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain, is the realism of some of Snake's techniques. For example, when Snake encounters Chico, he strangles Chico unconscious, because he needs to extract Chico to safety, but Chico is in an uncontrollable state of panic. The strangle that Snake uses on Chico is 'Nami Juji Jime', or 'Normal Cross Lock', a strangle technique that comes from judo (and likely, traditional Japanese jujitsu).
When Snake strangles typical enemies unconscious from behind, he uses another judo strangle (which is also probably from traditional Japanese jujitsu) called 'Kata Ha Jime', which roughly translates to 'Single Wing Lock'.
What I find interesting about Snake performing the Single Wing Lock, is he performs it the same way it's often taught in judo. In judo, when the Single Wing Lock is performed, practitioners are encouraged that the hand on the back of the uke's (partner / opponent) head, should be the back of your hand, and not the palm. Using the palm on the back of the uke's head can put unnecessary pressure on their neck, potentially causing harm, while using the back of your hand produces less pressure, causing less harm. It shows that when Snake strangles his enemy unconscious, he doesn't want to necessarily "hurt" them.
When performed correctly, a grappling, strangulation technique should be attacking the major carotid arteries of the neck. Attacking these points is actually safer than attacking the trachea (windpipe/throat), is less painful, and can knock someone out much quicker than a trachea-based strangle. Admittingly though, someone knocked out via a strangle will usually wake up a few seconds later, not minutes or hours later, like what video games and movies often portray.
Question, you with your experience in Judo, what would you say about its effectiveness in a fight? Also, how intense is the training physically, is it tough?
There's this neverending debate about wich art is the superior.
I'm curious about trying on some martial arts, been doing kickboxning when i was younger.
Thanks in advance!
@@tommyabrahamsson5355 This probably isn't the answer you're looking for but "it depends".
I have been training in judo for over 13 years, and never once have I needed to use it in a situation of self-defence. However, in saying that, I also take care to not put myself in such situations... this means I don't go to places that can be potentially violent, like out at night by myself, bars, nightclubs etc. I have also learned about self defence via other means, such as communication, body language, situational awareness etc.
While the techniques of judo come from violent heritage (Japanese jujitsu, which was employed by the samurai as a form of empty-handed combat), most judo clubs do not teach judo as a self defence, but rather as a sport. The club I train and coach at does this, as well. We do not advertise self defence, because we do not teach it.
On a personal, biased note, I think judo techniques could be used for self defence, to a degree... but I would not want to rely on that possibility, and I believe martial arts can give people a false sense of security and confidence.
In regards to training intensity, it depends on the club. Some clubs will have coaches who take a harder approach than others. "Hard" training doesn't mean "better". The most important thing about a judo club is overall training morale. If most, or all members are having a good time, then you will probably have a good time, as well.
At our club, we operate in weekly blocks. For example, Week 1 will be an easy week. Week 2 will be moderately difficult. Week 3 will be hard, and Week 4 will be intense. Then when we arrive to Week 5, we will return to easy training.
While judo is my favourite martial art, it is not the "best". I do not believe there is a "best" martial art, otherwise everyone will be doing it! Every martial art has their pros and cons, but as I said, the most important thing about training at a martial arts club, is your training morale, as well as the training morale of the club you're training at.
Hope this helps.
@@Disc0spider I like your comment that "Hard" doesn't mean better. I do not consider myself a martial artist, but an old teacher of mine would say "Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect." by that he meant you can't make up for bad form by training "harder". You need to make sure you are practicing correctly to start with. Time investment is not always a reflection of skill level.
It actually ended up being solid life advice. It taught me to slow down and think about what I am doing before diving into something. I grew up to be an engineer, so that is probably a good thing!
@@Link2edition Thank you for your kind response, I appreciate it.
Hard training can have its time and place in a structured training routine, whether it's independent exercise (like going to the gym to lift weights), or going to a martial arts club, like judo. Unfortunately, if you are participating in "hard" training all the time, you are going to be increasing the risk of sustaining an injury, and you will likely fall into a plateau where you will stop improving (whilst simultaneously increasing your risk of sustaining an injury, double whammy).
When it comes to training, it should be planned in a periodised manner. For example, over the course of four weeks, Week 1 might be 'Easy', Week 2 is 'Moderate', Week 3 is 'Hard' and Week 4 is 'Intense'. Then Week 5 becomes "New Week 1" so to speak, and returns to an 'Easy' level of training. This is just a simplified example.
In a martial arts sense, this means Week 1 would have the greatest focus on technical learning and practice, while Week 4 would have the greatest focus on physically intensive work, such as fighting (sparring) as well as cardiovascular conditioning.
Unfortunately, we physically cannot continue to go up, and up, and up. It is just not possible or sustainable.
Loved your explanation thank you!
Please make an extremely in depth analysis of mario’s Fight™ jump
The double jump
Had me laughing
This is a joke (and a really old comment lol) but I'm gonna ignore that and recommend you check out some older MMA promotions that (unlike UFC) allowed kicks to opponents on the ground. You see soccer kicks, stomps, and even guard passing via jumping stomps
@@rylie8989 Oh there’s no joking about the effectiveness of Mario’s jump and how deadly it could be in a real fight
Calling his fighting style "CQC" is like calling military gun discipline "shooting".
And the man also called big bipedal tanks with nuclear capabilities ¨Metal Gears¨
Kojima sounds like the kinda guy that hears a funny word and goes ¨You know what would be cool? An expensive military program or special force unit with that name¨
Not that I´m complaining lmao
@@Axl4325 I feel like a lot of this stems from how most names in Japanese games from the 80s were just mash-ups of vaguely cool sounding English words (i.e. "Metal Gear") and Kojima just decided to roll with that convention through the rest of the series to maintain consistency.
Honestly I'm all for it.
Yeah, but it's the actual terminology used in the military. The MGS games have always used military advisory on staff in development.
no lies detected
Hot coldman
I think this is the reason why I cannot remember some of the basics of CQC.
you called that first guy Freddie because of the mustache, didn't you?
freddie mercury lol
Pretty much lol.
Pretty good covering the influence on the choreography for the franchise. One key area you missed was Southeast asian knife fighting influences from Indonesia and Philippines (which have a huge impact on training systems throughout Asia). Motosada Mori, the primary military/private security consultant's training reflects this.
You mean Pencak Silat from Indonesia or Karambit?
Definitely noticed the karambit pistol grip being an irl thing after seeing naked snake do it with his knife in mgs3. SUPER cool
I'd say most of those techniques trace back to traditional Japanese jiu-jitsu schools, which were a source for both judo and aikido
In MGS V snake also can boxing his enemys. So it is a martial art with components of other martial arts.
dead on
At the time of MGS1, Motosada Mori's combatives curriculum was a combination of karate, judo, aikido, and boxing. When MGS3 rolled around, he had incorporated escrima into his training. With MGS4, he added muay thai to the mix.
Yes, but judo and aikido are more modern, popular and difussed martial arts in japan. And all the CQC techniques are clarely in the currículum of these two disciplines.
Of course you would name the bald guy Saitama
Erik E considering his facial hair I would have gone with nappa
Wait a damn minute. Snake can beat Saitama!?
and the other guy freddie
or I would have gone with hitman with that bald guy
@@dionjaywoollaston1349 Ah yes, Nappa, one of the chillin' Villains.
You left out a major aspect of Snake's non lethal preferences. It might not seem like the anti hero perspective, but Snake doesn't enjoy killing or hurting people. In canon, he actually goes far out of his way to avoid killing anyone.
He doesn't enjoy killing, but he enjoys the thrill of war, which honestly might amplify his desire to take the non lethal option
well, depending on which snake are we talking about
@@purplesamurai5205 what game were you playing bro lol, the "thrill of war"..? you got some evidence for that?
@@randomt800kiddo2 in Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake, Big Boss actively expresses his love of combat and war.
Solid Snake himself obviously doesn't enjoy it, but Big Boss does as it's all he knows.
@Nam Gge what does big boss have to do with this dawg
Polygon: Makes CQC video
Ocelot: Makes weird cat roar that echoes off: *Mreooow!*
the whispered 'yikes' at the end
More like Patrick Brill.
..-iant video, am i right folks?
How did I know this was going to be a Pat Gill Feature(TM)
he has the highest powerlevel
Pat makes the most *awesome* videos *:)*
(I'd love a video on the martial arts in Absolver)
This content deserves a billion more views. More MGS dissection please and thank you.
This was incredible!!! I really love the background knowledge on this and real-life examples!! I love these videos a whole bunch
Cool to see the series continue. The effort put in really shows.
I can't upvote this one enough. Amazing work Pat, thank you! This is a great series.
Thanks for this video Pat, I'm loving learning about all the stuff that goes into all the rad video game fight choreography! I'll try to remember all the basics you talked about next time I play MGS.
Idk how much meat is on these bones but I'd love to see a breakdown of some of Doom Guy's close combat moves!!
*carl weathers voice* there's still plenty of meat on that bone
Polygon plz put it in a pot and get a stew going
@@polygon
Arrested Development references? Well, no one's going to top that!
I Was taught a mix of styles in the military, and it was more about restraint,holds, and letting them wear them self out. We also had leathel moves to as well. So when I play MGS 3, I try to remember what I was taught. Thanks for the video..
I really enjoyed this video! I'm going to have to look into MG some more, I've never actually played it. I hope there are more fighting style analysis videos to come!
This was so cool! I love analyses of motion like this from either functional or animation/artistic perspectives, and this is both! :D More please!
It's a little bit different stylistically, but I would LOVE to see you break down the movements of anyone from Dragon Ball FighterZ! Imo Dragon Ball as a series has always had a lot of fantastic attention paid to the little details of the motions.
Close Quarters CONTROL am i right?
this is such an awesome video!!!! i'm thirsty for all metal gear content (that is good, survive does NOT count) and this was a wonderful birthday present to get!
great work on this video pat!!!!!!!!
Impressive analysis and breakdown... Keep up the series guys ..
A week ago... czcams.com/video/9xhtuf6119w/video.html
What in details video explanation of Snake's CQC! Will for sure do some Judo! Thank you!
How the hell is this only now in my recommendations, Im subbed to polygon and have gone down many mgs rabbit holes.
Glad you found it!
@@polygon like fine wine or cheese, Patrick Gill videos only get better with age.
I would absolutely love to see more of this series
Thank you Polygon, this video help me remembering the basic of cqc
Papa Pat teaching us the basics of CQC!
What I like is other than some of the more obviously flashy movements, and the fact that no other soldier seems to realistically counter CQC is that in theory these techniques are useful IRL, and probably better to learn since I doubt many people would wanna harm anyone. So it is better to learn a non lethal fighting style than say Krav Maga (can't spell)
Really enjoying the educational content!
I want to make a Booklet on CQC. I really want to teach people The Boss' style. I'll use this style when I meet the folks at Outer Heaven.
The lock on Saitama's arm and use as a fulcrum is also present in Tai-Chi, one of the first pieces of the short form, called "Parting the wild horses mane". Most moves from martial arts are linked to others, with very hard to tell origins at time. Eskrima has very similar systems and techniques to Wing Chun, almost identical, but both systems were created separate from each other; Eskrima was almost created in a vacuum during an occupation so there was no chance of influence. Basically there are only so many ways to hurt and lock people, but everyone thinks they're the first to do it
True, but The Boss did learn Judo before developing CQC so she drew on Judo
an awesome point. I've observed this in my own training over the years
outstanding content
woah that was super interesting and informative!
Great stuff, Patrick!!
I could watch this for hours on repeat. fascinating.
I really enjoy those videos! :)
I relaxed as the video ended... then Pat startled my bones out of my body with those lightning fast strikes :0
Love these, plz do more!
I'd love to see a breakdown of the Arkham fighting styles and how it changes throughout the series
Love these videos!
CQC is actually based off of the real life CQB developed by William Fairbairn . Mgs even has a Version of the fairbairn/Sykes knife.
Do you have any source to prove that Motosada Mori have trained or studied Fairbairn's combatives/defendu?
@linusspiegel7470 I never claimed that the combat advisor studied cqb but being that he's a military combat expert it would be a massive leap of illogic to presume that he didn't lol.
@linusspiegel7470 but to clarify. I'm not talking about the techniques used. I'm talking about calling it " cqc" and the use of the knife which looks like exactly like the Sykes/fairbairn knife. Also the concept a knife being more effective in close quarters than the gun ect. In short- I'm saying that the conceptual idea of cqc borrows heavily from fairbairns cqb
maybe one day we will have a full tutorial on CQC
"If there's other video game characters who have cool fighting styles you'd like me to dig into..."
WHY DOES KING DEDEDE FIGHT LIKE THAT?
I know this comment is years late but I just wanted to say this is my favorite video that I've seen on this channel ever. I love a lot of the stuff on Polygon but this and the Voldo video are so fucking cool to me
What a cool video, enough said.
Need more of these and more MGS LOVE.
snake is an amazing close combat fighter but this is even more solid proof that he's too amazing to easily comprehend
Interesting stuffs!, Such interesting video!
Now, if only there was anything that could explain the fighting style in The Twin Snakes...
They're not human, they're cyborgs with jet engines. There, explained!
NANOMACHINES
"it's like one of my japanese animes"
Nanomachines, son!
Ryuhei Kitamura's influence. More of the 1970s Sonny Chiba era of choreography mixed with John Woo influence. Look up Tak Sakaguchi from Versus. This fast paced "gun fu" is what also inspired the Devil May Cry series.
I would love an analysis of Faith's fight style on Mirror's Edge Catalyst, there's some really cool finishers there
Specifically during the brawl with Liquid he pulls some neat tricks such as blocking Liquids punch with an elbow strike which would shatter the fist of anyone not a near super soldier, mixed in with some Tae Kwon Do style rapid roundhouse kicks to keep him off balance. Aside from the occasional flashy move, he transitions quickly from grappling to striking with real expertise.
they said in the game that by the time solid snake started using CQC it was unrecognizable from the CQC from The Boss and Big Boss/Naked Snake. It had been modernized. But even though they say this, if you look at the animations its basically the same thing.
Very enjoyable video
Didnt expect to see otacon at the end of the video there!
I want 20 videos on fighting styles, on my desk by next week!
Excellent breakdown. *Your pretty good*
You're pretty good, Pat.
Holy shit, I finally listened to my dad and started to play the mgs series. I started with ground zeroes and I had no idea the hand to hand combat itself was so complex.
Well done
Can you do Kazuma Kiryu’s and Majima’s fighting styles from the Yakuza series?
1:50 I think he use more Hapkido than Aikido, Hapkido is similar but more agressive/intensive
and for me is more effective
It makes my brain itch to see Big Boss and Solid Snake referred to as the same character so much. I assume the fighting style originated with the former, but that's just me being pedantic.
CQC was created by the Boss and naked snake. So you're correct
I love this series.
thank now i can now remember the basics of cqc
The cqc in mgs is really cool tbh, like in other stealth games it kinda just feels like knock someone out but I guess when you make a story on cqc like metal gear solid did, then of it’ll be really neat and cool.
You've named the bold man saitama i see your a man of culture as well
Shoutout to Motosada Mori, the Military Advisor for Hideo Kojima
You should do Connor from Detroit: Become Human! Their QTE fight scenes are really dynamic and have an interesting mix of practicality and flair
0:17 this term is used in real life but for combat with firearms (like inside a building) while in MGS its for melee :v7
1:23 Osoto Otoshi is not banned in Judo.
Pat!! I'd love for you to go into some of the fighting styles in the Yakuza games!!
Learning CQC was an immediate dream for everyone who played mgs
Hadaka jime is only banned to lower kyu belt students, but osoto otoshi is perfectly legal in judo
good video tho
I love these.
1:31 yes very gentle
Cqcs purpose when the boss and big boss co made it was subduing high value targets without killing them aka situations where using fire arms is out of the question
I can not remember his name but the founder us military cqc in the 50s and 60s was an absolute badass. William fairborne
I mean theres the ever present fighting style of Ansatsuken from Street Fighter, used by like... 5 and a half characters. (The half being Dan, unsure if I should also qualify Sakura as a half as well)
I don't know why this is so interesting but it is
I honestly think this might be what Bruce meant by Jeet condo not the stuff we saw in his films not the stuff we saw in wherever this is how stuff can work in reality. Stuff happens so fast you can't see it and before you know it you're on the ground.
yesyesyes! incredible!!
4:08 Thank you Boss !
Awesome
With soul Calibur 6 out there's plenty of characters you could analyse. Talim always had one of the more interesting weapons and styles to me.
WAIT IVE BEEN LISTENING TO PATRICK THIS ENTIRE TIME?
Well, I did NOT notice I'm watching polygon lol
Something that always fascinated me: what the heck goes into Tekken’s “Mishima clan karate”?
Raph Doval-Santos Jin Does Kyokushin While devil Jin does Shito ryu,Heihachi Does Goju Ryu And shorin ryu Karate, And Kazuya does Shotokan karate.
Actually each Mishima shows different karate styles
Heihachi - goju ryu
Jin kazama(from tekken 4 till now) - kyokushin
Jin's mother - shito ryu
Kazuya - shotokan
P. S. Search for "karate tekken wiki"
this is like an adult researched version of the type of content a 10-year old boy would get excited about. and boy am i!!!!!!
Simone's "yikes" at the end though 😂
A lot of those aikido moves are in hapkido as well.
Nice vid! Can we get some Batman Arkham knight breakdown or.. origins - I feel those two games have the hardest hits
Your pretty good . Old snake still got it.
Aikido was not meant to subdue opponents with the least amount of harm. If you know a bit about the techniques, you'll see that it can get really nasty... Also, Aikido is more of an armed and armoured version of Judo. Thus, it makes less sense without those two factors! That's where the modern hate comes from (and the lack of pressure testing)
Didnt know that Otacon had a YT channel
Please do a video about Vergil from Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, or Leon S. Kennedy from Resident Evil.
ok just a grap from life experience. (i looked up BECAUSE i did a thing in cqc without knowing)
i was in a bar and my at that date gf was harrassed by 3 guys. short: i told them to FO and come outside. ( i am 177cm and around 100kg) told them to fo again in hope they would leave me alone but were heated. sso the first one was "pushing me" in a teasing maner. like *push"haha what are you doing chubby" i just punched his face and grabed the next one on his t-shirts neck thingy (don't know the word reveaire?) and got my knee in his nuts. got the third basicly the same but knee in stomach. no. 1 got up tried to punch me but did the (instinctly) cross arm and turned it around. kicked his leg and he was on the ground. by then the bar keep and a few strong guys came out and tamed them.
i know it sound's unbelievable but jezz i was pumped after that.
i hated it at the same time. but was glad to not even got a scratch.
btw the gf broke up with me short after.
i know you guys say "not true" etc but just remembering a friggin vidya game saved a few teeth and a jaw brake for me.
Both Aikido and judo are just modern versions of jujutsu - jutaijutsu as used before the 20th century. Movements used by snake are also very typical of how military close combat turned already during WWII. It's not even needed to look as far as judo-aikido-whatever modern martial arts made during modern Japan - do.