Max Domi & Tyler Bertuzzi Want To Remain With Maple Leafs ...What Are They Worth? | SDP
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- čas přidán 24. 05. 2024
- Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde and Jesse Blake discuss the rumours surrounding both Tyler Bertuzzi and Max Domi looking for extensions with the Toronto Maple Leafs. They're asking for HOW MUCH!?
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That's the problem paying those 4 guys over 10 mil, sets the tone and expectations for the rest of the team to not settle on team friendly deals
Exactly! The ''culture'' of this team will remain so long as the ''top dogs'' keep getting paid to break records in the regular season and then have their vacation plans with Bieber set for May each year.
Not really, we are a tax market, Tampa bay it’s 9 mil but these guys getting 11 mill is about 9 mil after taxes
Steve is absolutely correct, anything over 5 x 5M Domi can walk.
Max is not worth more than 3.5
I could give him 4 but not more. 5 years is a lot also. 4x4 sounds more reasonable. Or 4x3
Then he’s gonna walk
@@adamjanks4966 Let's hope so.
5x5m is a good deal exspecially cap will be going up. And I wouldn't give bertuzzi more then 6m on a longer term.
Jets paid this year Nino 3x4m
Iafallo 4.1m
Goodrow in NYC 3.6m
Coleman 4.9m
Atkinson 5.8m
Mangiapane 5.8m
Strome brothers matching 5m
Granlund 5m
Hayes 7.1m
Saad 4.5m
Nelson 6m
Anders Lee 7m
Villardi 3.5m
Arvidsson 4.2m
Johansson Wild 4m
EricksonEk 5.25m
Eberle 4.75m
TomWilson 6.5m
JoshAnderson 5.5m
Oshie 5.75m
Dvorak 4.45m
Laughton 3m
Lowry 2.9m
Jenner 3.75m
Garland 4.95m
Mikheyev 4.75m
Engvall 3m
Kuzmenko 5.5m
EvanderKane 5.1m
Palat 6m
Hyman 5.5m
Nyquist 3.185m
TylerJohnson was making 5m UFa
RyanORielly 4.5m but Nsh has 0%tax
It goes back again to Tavares and making 11m when that 22m could be spent on 4/5 players.
When you think of bad contracts
PLD-8.5m
Johansen- 8m done hockey
Skinner- 9m
Gaudreau-9.75m
Laine-8.7m
Huberdeau-10.5m
Couture 8m
Norris 7.85m
Karlsson even after retain 10m
Cambell 5m
20g 56 pts on chicago+ Dallas can only get a 3m dollar prove it deal. 9 goals 47 pts on toronto somehow makes him worth 6m for 5 years. What a joke.
Domi wants to play here because he knows it's the only market that will overpay him. There's a reason he's played for 7 clubs before the age of 30.
First 3 teams were trading inconsistent/overhyped assets for inconsistent/overhyped assets (Galchenyuk, Domi, Anderson) in hopes it works out. Next Carolina traded for him as a rental, followed by Chicago who obviously wanted to trade him off at the deadline (in rebuild) … to Dallas which got him as a rental to finally the Leafs who signed him for 1 year …. As a rental ? Tryout ? Prove it deal ? Hometown discount ? Toronto might be the first team actually signing him since Phoenix to be more than a rental or plugging holes.
@@benoitrobitaille5235 And his hype by the city and the media is the only reason they might resign him.
Anybody can play with Matthews, he will still get goals.
@@richardthompson6366 ...except when it matters you mean right? We've had 7yrs of playoffs against 4 different teams PROVE that it isn't hard to stop Matthews, Marner, Nylander & Johnny T in the playoffs.
What? He knows they can't pay him. Everyone knows the leafs have no room.. but not you
I think for max it should be around 4.5…anything over 5 is overpay
Dummi has been on 7 teams in 7 years - that has to say something
He’s The Expendable 👋🏼
Not a bad player but not 4-6 mill im a leafs fan I seem to be one of the only ones who think this but he’s not even 30 points without matthews and Matthews doesn’t suffer without him he is just good no matter who he’s with the proof is before marner was injured look how bad domi was doing and how good matthews was overall would like him at a 3-3.5 mill salary he has ok playmaking skill but not great playmaking skill certainly doesn’t have as much as some of us leafs fans are hyping up plus doesn’t shoot love the grit tho but again I don’t agree that spending 12 mill on him and Bert alone purely for grit is the answer when we need a goalie and some dman
Domi is a 3rd line center that plays similar to Bertuzi and had tough time scoring.
Can't expect the rest of the team to take a discount when the leaders of the team (AM, WN, MM and JT) did not.
Actually JT did... but he's STILL not worth the contract he signed even with the discount.
@@mattrix4200 true there was a $12mil offer on the table, however, like you said not worth the dollar amount. Definitely would’ve been less of an issue if covid didn’t happen but the team also didn’t adjust
@@aaronquiambao8134 Yeah I actually don't fault the original Dubas plan (sign up a crazy amount of skilled players to long-term contracts and watch the cap rise giving you more flexibility as time rolls along)...but...then Covid, no cap increase, and no adjustment (just stubborn pride and refusal to admit mistakes).
Max Domi
18g 49 points on Chicago, $3M 1 year prove yourself
9g 47 points on Toronto, $6M 5 years country club is thriving
Domi didn’t deserve his last contract, if he gets over 4 it’s robbery
To ask for almost double the salary is mind blowing I’am with Steve on this one
Lol what he made before doesn't matter, it matters what he's worth now. The amount of people wanting to get billionaires a deal is hilarious
@@amanasd26 it does matter he’s not worth 6 million
@@cdb989 not saying he is, but seeing people argue in favour of billionaires is bootlicker mentality
Loved how that Auston, Domi and Bertuzzi line looked. Keep them together please!!
6 million for 9 goals and 47 points. lol only in Toronto
more like 5 years 4 mil a season
It's funny cause it's true 😂. Remember his pops got millions for playing 6 minutes a game.
EXACTLY!
this whole idea of bertuzzi and domi showed up in the playoffs is pure nonsense too lol. 1 goal and 3 assists for each in 7 games is not showing up, they got bounced in the first round like they always do. giving domi or bertuzzi anything over 4m for any number of years would be a disaster contract, both fully bang average players with some absolutely catastrophic flaws in their game. and don't be kidded on by any of that "they're tough" nonsense either, they aren't. they just don't play as timid as the core four so they look marginally better by comparison
@@hurtlocker6611 you left a 0 out after the 4
Anything over 4M on either Bert or Domi is too much!
Same with Debrusk!
DeBrusk is likely getting 6M on the market especially if Toronto ends up extending Bert and Domi
I would pay that for Debrusk he’s a player then either of those players!
As a Bruins fan 3 million + performance bonuses for goals is more than enough. He's cold as ice for 10-15 games then scores 4 or 5 then disappears for the next 10 @@stephenkinsella4009
@@McLeaner99 He might get that on the market, he is not worth it.
Bertuzzi isn't staying. He can say he wants to stay on the team but the only way he stays on the team is by taking something in the ballpark of 4m and he isn't going to take that. Domi is probably more open to negotiation on that front.
The fact that someone is making an argument that domi is worth up to 6 million is completely brain dead idea. You can’t pay bad contracts and think you’re going to win anything if he wants that much let him walk
Lol Adam is just in another world.
Domi’s only played more than 2 yrs for 7 other NHL teams “Once” and that was Arizona his first 3 yrs. Every other stop it’s been 2 years. The Habs, 2 yrs. First year he gets 72 points, 2nd year he gets 44 and the Habs say ba bye. Plus Domi is a Defensive liability.
I love Steve's energy and I'm here for it.
Calm down guys. You know how negotiations go. He asks for 6 x 4, they counter with 4 , settle 4.5 but add a year. 4.5 x 5 sounds decent
Yeah it’s a part of the process I feel like…
This is Toronto, He'll ask for 6 and they'll give him 8 years for 7.75
domi isnt worth a penny over 3.5
you guys are insane
@@yukoncorneliusthelegendhim9751 no way man …. 4-4.5 x 4/5 years could be totally feasible
@@2buxaslice It's Toronto, they'll give him 10 million for 8 years with the condition he puts "MARNER" on the back of his jersey
DID THESE 2 LOOK AT VIDEO OF THEIR PERFORMANCE IN THE 1st round?
I'd go Domi at 5 years for 20-22.5. Anything beyond that, see ya Max!
22.5 for 5 sounds pretty good for everyone. Or, they (Domi and Bertuzzi,) take another 1-year deal to wait out JT and Marner contracts, and then go long-term with a raise.
I bet you also probably said "see ya Hyman!" to Zach Hyman when he wanted 5.5m per year thinking he wasn't worth it 😂
Stop talking please
@@Zaeld I wanted them to resign Hyman actually... and I'd have been fine with 5. To be fair, at the time, 5 was the tops of what he was worth. No one saw this year coming.
@@MethodzBlem No.
I don’t watch this very often is Steve was like this every episode I would watch every time !
You mean a smug no it all who gives leafs fans a bad name and acts like he knows what’s best because he won the cup with the leafs in franchise mode on the nhl video game?
I’d take Zadorov at 6M 100 times before either of these bums
Let the kids play, use the farm team.
Leafs need to resign Doms and Bert to 3-4 year contracts? Encourage, Mitchy to waive his NMC, and acquire a goaltender and big, heavy d-man! Tre. GET-R-DONE!
Marner isn’t going anywhere. Lol.
@@alltheworldsastage. he is this summer or next but he is GONE.
@@hurtlocker6611 They hired Berube to light a fire under the feet of the team. Marner isn't going anywhere. Maybe next year's trade deadline. What goalie can they possibly get this summer?
@@ScubaSteveCanadanone this whole trade Marner bit is tiring why instead of trading the teams second best player why wouldn't they het rid of all the rest of the dead weight like Kampf Gregor Liljegren Robertson you know those guys who did absolutely nothing most of the season and into the playoffs let walk 8 of the 11 free agents and hell let walk the rfas aswell all deadweight sign 2 free agents trade off those other players who have done nothing but collect a paycheck so sick and tired of broken players on the verge of retirement too
@@ScubaSteveCanada Ullmark ..
It would be so funny having Marner leave, and your replacement for the open cap is… just paying two guys you already have more. Lol.
Somehow paying the same to lose 90ish points in the regular season. What a deal.
Harold Ballard lives!
Love how you all passionate about a team who irrelevant, and always will be!
Odd how so many neutral fans even comment on this irrelevant team.
Nice knowing Domi!!!
Love these conversations, as a Habs fan!
I agree with Steve. The market in Toronto is crazy but either Domi signs for $4.5 million X 4 years and Bert maybe $4.5 -$5 million X4 years.
We have cap space but I won't break the bank.
Either players want to play for the Leafs having the chance to win a SC or they can Fck Off
This conversation is ridiculous when AM makes $13.25M next year. 40-50 goals is what can be expected, and his playoff performance is a $5M player at BEST. Max brings the best out of Auston and were saying he's not even worth 60% less... AM can't be replaced. Period. But this team needs to get real with their salary structure. It's a joke. You should be able to afford, $5M on a goalie, $5M each on top 2 D, and few $5M on your top 6. We almost can't afford anyone sat $5M because of the cap mismanagement of 4 guys.
oooooold news... team has been scuffed for at least six years.
That’s why I’m happy as a devils fan and stumbled on it. I love Mr. Grouchy Pants!
The problem is not only do upcoming free agents know the Leafs cave easily in negotiations, but they’ve also seen former Leafs like Holl, Kerfoot, and Hyman get above-value deals when they hit the open market
The Leafs need Domi but anything over 5M is too much.
anything over 1 mil is an overpayment
@@donniedoesdishes no
We don’t need him for anything over 3.5 mill let’s be real it’s Auston he won’t suffer he was playing just as well before the Mitch injury happened that told me everything I need to know Domi needs him to even break 30 pts
Always love watching the boys having to scramble to get Steve back on topic -- it reminds me of when we visit our dad at the nursing home... you guys are great!
Steve is a clown.
The bball analogy 🤌
I woukld go 3 years on Domi at 3.5 million and no more.
Steve is spot on, about every single aspect. Leafs may have to take a step backward before they start assembling a proper team to take a shot at the cup.
Why do the Leafs have this tunnel vision with forwards and seem to completely forget defence and goaltending?
Then let Domi walk and see if he can get what he wants in the open market...
If you're playing this game where you're asking players to take discounts for being a Leaf, then follow through and be ok if they walk as a free agent on July 1st.
"Grouchy Pants?" Mr. Rogers on Roger's hockey.
SDPN has such a fetish for the NBA. If the NHL were like the NBA, mcdavid would be on his 6th super team as he and his buddies chase easy cups and guys like PLD would be a dime a dozen.
your out of your minds to give domi 6 mill.. how about 5 yrs at 3.5 mill
you are = you're
Now THAT is delusional, sorry
lol give Domi and Bertuzzi raises and just leave defense and goaltending to scrubs. Yeah that’s always been a winning formula for playoff success.
I think big changes are going to happen. Tavares's contract is almost up and Treliving might look to break up the core 4 by trading one of them this off season. I don't want Samsonov as our #1 goalie but it's also not impossible to win with average goaltending as we can see the Edmonton Oilers are consistently making it to the conference finals with one of the worse defence and goalies in the league but yeah I still want a real goalie for less stress. It's too bad Joseph Woll is injury prone because if he wasn't injury prone he would have probably been our #1 goalie by now. We also lost our top goalie prospect to retirement because he was injury prone and couldn't play anymore because of it and that was the goalie we drafted 1 spot before Swayman. Man our luck really sucks..
@@Zaeld The Leafs would also consistently make it to the conference finals in the west. It's also match ups that are a problem. The east and their division is much stronger than most of the teams the Oilers face.
Domi was paid $3.15 X 2 by Montreal. It was Columbus who signed him to the $5.3 contract.
Dont we need a top end D or Goalie more than Domi?
Offer 23 million for iive, no NMC, but build in some team performance-based bonuses.
Lebrun and Dreggor are player agent moles and their only objective is to drive up market values of hockey players or in particular Toronto Maple Leaf players . Dreggor had a lot to do with driving up Marners current contract and Pierre seems to be doing it with Bert and Domi .
I'm surprised burtuzzi can stay on his skates long enough to cash those cheques 😂
he likes the feel of the ice. He wants to swim on it. Flail on it. Can't keep a man from his dreams
He’s brutal and not worth any amount! American hockey league player at best! The leafs think just because they pay more for a player, they’re going to be good and often and the best example is Bertuzzi completely being overpaid for more than 2/3 of the season!
Hahahaha! 5 million for Domi per year are you out of your mind, Adam Wylde? Paying him anything close to Zach Hyman?!? After what Domi was doing for the Leafs? What was he even doing until they had to put him with Matthews in order for him to accomplish anything of meaning?!? But even then he was average at best with Matthews. Cowan could do more. Knies and Robertson could do more. Neither Domi or Bertuzzi are even worth sacrificing 8 mil cap per year for both. Neither were a factor in the playoffs. I swear, some of these "experts" are just clueless. Do some research; look at all the available players to swap those two utility players out for. And for far less. GTFOH.
Regarding Marner. Would a trade to the Islanders make sense if it was for Palmieri and 2 second rounders plus a 2nd or 3rd in 2026
Do not re-sign either Domi or Bert spend the money better elsewhere. Also these rumoured numbers on Domi are shocking avoid at all costs.
Hey Steve, who pooped in your Cornflakes this morning? Lol.
They should be using 8 years to lower the cap - can always get creative 6 years from now if you want to cut ties
The truest sign that Domi wants to be a Leaf is that he’s looking for double what he’s worth.
with all the free agents the experts say the Leafs are signing, they will need a 200m salary cap
Are any of those 5.5 to 6.5 million contract signings 6 years?
2:01 I agree
Is the cap supposed to be going up? I have heard Adam say this for nearly 3 years and nothing has happened. At this rate, Atlanta will have a 3rd chance at a hockey team before the cap goes up significantly.
dom and bert were invisible the first half of the season. I'm hoping that was on how Keefe played them.
Wake me up for the 25-26 season.
I can’t see paying anything to the same players who have underperformed against playoff teams.
Good core. Not a championship caliber one though. It’s HARD to win the Cup, and these guys just don’t get it done come April.
Let em walk.
Gustav Forsling is a +56?
Sharks need players like this to protect the kids. Better weather. I think taxes are bad but I think better than Toronto? Welcome aboard boys!
SJ is a dumpster city. Idk if you’ve been to the Bay Area of California recently but it’s literal garbage. I travel the bay areas for work sometimes and now it’s an automatic request for a different location cause the people literally do drugs in the street and rob you.
Steve is 100% right. At some point, simply win a contract negotiation. Just one time. Please.
I would love to see Bertuzzi and Domi in a Leafs jersey in the future. Both are great with Auston. But I think to do this, the Leafs has to get rid of Marner and/or Tavares. But I would also love to see Dostal in the Leafs net.
Steve your right period.
I could see the Leafs signing Domi and Bert while taking a touch of a hit on a Marner trade.
Domi and Bert combined bring what Marner brings while freeing up cap space which is why I could see this happening. Think of it this way: would you rather have Marner (making 13 million) or would you rather have Domi, Bert, and a BIG Zadorov for 15 million???
I think business wise it makes sense to trade Marner but it is a really hard thing to ask Marner to waive NMC really ruins the relationship with the team and Mitchy is obviously an impact player that any team would want.
I wouldn’t go over a 3 year deal take it or leave it on either one of them
Haha was literally about to ask why Steve was so grumpy... Hope you get some sleep!
wow I have never said this before but Adam is correct! Don't be mad at Domi for wanting to get paid like a top 6 forward. Be mad at Dubas for signing those absurd contracts that now require you to move Marner. But yes, you guys do need to start leveraging "pajamas" into "hometown discounts".
I’m 100% with Steve
I'd happily pay 5.5-6 for domi, he was arguably one of the best players on the ice this series. Make him center for mathews and whoever and watch it work. Makes no sense to have your best scorer stuck in a face off instead of on a wing for a good 1-2 in the back of the net
Domi was the best playoff player on the Leafs by far. The Leafs need more players like Domi. He hard to play against, with a ton of grit you need to succeed when the games count. He is the opposite of the typical soft Leafs player. He goes into the tough area.. grinds on the boards. He is the type of player that will carry the team when the Core four becomes invisible or hides in bed while the biggest games are played.
You can't blame the current players for the Dumas created salary expectation. Everyone is lining up to make the BIG BUCKS now!!
marner for a ageing super star, such as crosby, get rid of the contract, and get a crosby like player with 3 to 4 years left, marner will get a point a game where ever he goes for a decade. that will help many teams in the regular season.
If the leafs got Crosby it would be mass hysteria lol. They would make tens of millions on jersey sales alone!
5 mill would be more than enough
For the Leafs to have future playoff success, they need SIZE, TEAM TOUGHNESS, and SOLID GOALTENDING, period! Management has made many miscues, during the past 8 years of Leaf, playoff failures?
all Dubas fault, small guys - shitty defence cause he paid 40 millino for 4 players, it dosent work, after next year they will only have 2 - 10+ mil players. nowing Treliving he will sign big ass Defenders in FREE AGENCY.
What is it with you and size, is because you're so small?
@hurtlocker6611 he also signed those players prepandemic with the thought the cap was going up every year which would be more beneficial to a team so no I wouldn't put the blame on Dubas either he didn't know the world would shut down and the cap would be frozen it happens life goes on move on get over it
@@darrelldart4573 thats true but he gave marner too much at the time
Living in Toronto is expensive. The weather ain't the best. Canadian funds.... I think that's the reason why they're asking for more. Toronto's cost of living is so freaking high
They’re paid in USD
they ask for more because the Leafs overpay everybody..it has zero to do with cost of living lol..they are millionaires
they showed up for 3.5 mil... but if they make 6 mil... they didn't show up on that contract.
Just another clip from an episode.
No way Domi expects 6x6. He starts high to make sure he ends up around 5-5.5/per However, 5x5 would be the most I would do and even then I bet there are cheaper guys to do the same job. Max is banking on being a decent player and the Domi name in Toronto.
Leafs need to start a new president. Only get paid when you start winning!
3 yr deal at 5 million, no more! For both players.
I am not sure why Domi would get a raise. Keep him short term or let him walk.
I'd let him walk and the open up positions for some of the up and comers, Easton.
Don't overspend! Bert isn't worth $5.5. Fix the backend and sign Domi cheap on term.
Agreed. He was way overpaid this season. Domi isn't worth a penny more than 4 mil, and I wouldn't go past 3 years.
4x4 for Domi, take it or leave it.
The core four certainly didn’t take less to be a Leaf! Why should Domi? At any rate, Domi and Bertuzzi 5:16 are just spokes in the wheel- they are not the wheel. This team needs a complete makeover and the money needs to stretch further..
3.8 to 4.5 over 5 years is deal you want to do
Domi, and Bertuzzi play the way we all want. However, they are not 6+ million a year players. I would love for both to stay. I just don’t see it happening. I think next year is a bust of season if Marner is still on the team. It’s not Marner, it’s his contract. Same with JT.
How many teams had Max Domi and after a short stint decided to get rid of him? He's a 29 year old journeyman.....
They both are Berube's type of players. Chief can easily get out more out them vs. Nylander / Matthews.
Max and Bert earned contracts. Edmundson as well. There is just not enough money to go around!
Ex leafs from the core 4 era:
Zack Hymam (51 goals)
Trevor Moore (31 goals)
Conor Brown (pk stalwart)
Ceci
Nazim Kadri
Mason Marchment (conf finals 4th line dallas)
Jared Mcann (seattle's top scorer)
Alex Kerfoot (pk specialist)
Wouldn't they look good in this team now? We would be much better thats for sure.
Annnd let's not forget Mikheyev who lead the NHL in short-handed goals for multiple seasons and was a consistently impressive player up and down the Leafs roster when they needed speed and someone who could play DEFENSIVELY RESPONSIBLE hockey! But no no, Leaf ''fans'' want the Bieber buddies here now making close to 50-million next season!!!
And letting Bunting walk. He’s only making 4.5 million and averages around 20 goals/55 pts a year.
That's what salary cap does. Context and hindsight is everything with these names lmao. Stop whining
All you Leafs fans arguing that the cap is going up so the Leafs can sign more players. I’ve told you guys that the current players would gobble up all the cap increase. Nylander and Mathews already got raises.
Thank you! I've been saying this to people on comment sections for the past few weeks because people don't realize how many players we've lost to free-agency, and how many contract increases we have. It's going to be insane how much the Leafs STILL need to downgrade their talent just because of the Matthews & Nylander extensions + not having enough NHL defencemen & goalies signed.
Well, to be honest, they did both lead the team in playoff points this year so.......
Domi should not get anything about the league minimum... he was washed 5 years ago, how is this even a conversation? Only in Toronto
1.5M per or let him walk. There’s lots of young guys who can do what he does for league minimum. Agree with Steve for the first time ever