Don't care about any of this when no one got to see Mercedes W11 at this circuit in 2020. That would have been a monster on this circuit. Would be amazing just see what it was capable of now when there were no crowds to watch it during 2020 season. Now it's a £400 million paperweight. I think Mercedes owe it to the fans to see it in anger as it was at its peak technological performance before its features like DAS was banned in 2021
I mean how could he let this slip by,the guy is in the most dominant f1 car to ever hit the track and is doing the same lackluster speeed of 2021 &under cars with better suspension travel and bigger tyres.
Perez was Def not inline with the car at that moment of the season, if you look at his q3 lap through the S curves you can see just how much he's correcting the car mid turn. Whilst verstappen was smooth throughout the whole Sector 1. Let's hope this RB20 suits him abit more than it was last year
@@Rearmostbean i think its mainly because he has a different driving style compared to max and if you check his q3 lap through the S curves you can see just how much hes correcting the car in the middle of the turn while max is going smoothly. I think its that and the fact the car is more catered to max
One thing to consider for this video remember the track was completely rained off for 2019 that Quali had to be moved to Sunday Whereas in 2023 this didn’t happen, some context that should be known of for this video
That’s a double edged sword I suppose. On the one hand the rain would’ve in-rubbered the track, but on the other hand the early morning session would mean cooler temperatures, so it’s hard to say what effect that the different time would have on lap time
@@jamnchips I agree for sure with this sentiment there will always be trade offs however I would think you would rather have a hot rubbered in track over a cool green track But tbh my original comment was for some context in general which this channel is usually good on but missed it this time
i still ask to this day how on earth you dont have at least 1 million subscribers man, i always enjoy your videos and i share them to my friends. wish that all we see your videos did the same! thanks for bringing this content!
This is because the wastegate part of the exhaust now enters the exhaust again after the turbo, compared to earlier where you had 2 separate “smaller exhausts” alongside the main tube, there is a video on f1 tech talk about it
Interesting how Leclerc in 2022 was faster than Verstappen in 2023, considering the 2023 cars were supposed to be faster in this type of corners. That F1-75 was good
This year's cars have enormous potential to equal or improve times compared to 2019, which apart from 2020 was the peak of Downforce in F1... Will we have the fastest cars in history next year?
Man, if these cars had a better soundtrack, people would be drooling all over them. All the technical achievements and records are here, but there's no emotion and no competition for the top anymore.
one of those what ifs from the 2020 season, I reckon the W11 would have taken Degner 1 flat out. And just how awesome it would have been around the rest of the lap
Degner 1 looks like a sharp corner but it should be considered as more of a fast corner (it's like 65-70 degrees to the right). In lower formulas people just lightly tap the brakes and jump on the throttle way before the apex. In F1 it doesn't seem like the even come off the throttle completely, but they still brake lightly. This is why it's not surprising that the current gen beats the previous, as ground-effect cars are better at these types of corners.
0:22 to counter the argument, I think the peak, in some ways, is 2019 rather than 2020. The reason is that when I looked at the 2020 vs 2019 Spanish GP qualifying sector times, 2020 was slower in the tight and twisty final sector. So 2019 perhaps had the highest mechanical grip from cars and tires combined. But who knows, maybe corrected for weight, 2024 might get close (Bahrain was a surprise and the tires have become so grippy in certain conditions).
Both cars are big and heavy but the 2019 ones are so much better than the current in slow speed corners. I hate the larger more sensitive tyres of this new gen too. Just go back to smaller and reduce the weight. Get rid of that extra 40kg they added on and reduce it further by at least 20kg.
Everyone knows by now that Checo is slower than Max. A veteran driver teamed alongside a generational talent. That last clip was so unnecessary and just incites division among the Max and Checo fans. Come on. Can't we just enjoy that RB is currently having the best duo to ever raced for the team? SMH. Max fan here, BTW.
I am not a diehard Perez fan, but I do cheer for the guy to improve. People bash on Perez a lot, but tend to forget no one else in his seat would be able to beat Max and still carry the pressure of being second - that's where Perez lost it all. They get impressed by one single race of Sainz with no appendix, but forget how much the first of Max's WDC was built with Perez's help. I doubt Alonso or Sainz in the same car have any remote chance of beating Max.
@@10blader Sainz also had a genius race last year winning Singapore He has improved and been neck and neck with LeClerc, who is clearly the preferred driver at Ferrari Similarly the accolades role in for Alonso Perez was the right pick when he signed, and will have an F1 record anyone would be proud of, but let’s not pretend he is anything but lost in his car. His teammate in the same car is leaving the field, while Perez cannot be counted to get in the top 4 on qualifying. During Mercedes era of domination it was regular to have front row lock outs or at least Bottas on the second row, and it sure seems that the RB is more dominant than Mercedes was
@@10blader Agree. We owe Checo big time with his heroics during 2021. I couldn't ask more from him since he's the only 2nd driver who lasted this long being Max's teammate. He brings home the points and even secured P2 in the WDC, which was never done before by any other RB 2nd driver. Funny, that it only takes one wrong move from Checo and the haters jump on him.
i think this proves that perez isn’t a bad driver. He just doesn’t suit the red bull as it’s a car that is point at the front however perez likes a car that is the opposite. Essentially he has to sacrifice the true performance of the car to suit his driving style as he prefers the car to be slower on entry but quicker on exit, completely the opposite to Max or Charles
I think Perez is slow through Degner because he prefers a lot of understeer while Max prefers a lot of oversteer. So with the car being more aligned with Max's driving style, Perez can't flick it in as confidently without fear of losing the rears. Kind of unfortunate that they have such opposite driving styles but I guess that's how it is
About that last clip: its clear Checo doesn't trusts the car nearly as much as max does. Max is so smooth compared to anyone but specially to Checo in particular.
Looking at next T, 2019 is faster. More speed, better for ground effect, less speed and things change. Moreover more wheight, by definition new cars are slower en mid to slow turns.
Such a shame a certain thing that shall not be named meant the 2020 cars couldn’t race at Suzuka (Mugello/Portimao wasn’t the worst trade off ever though) These cars are impressive at high speeds but a shame they’re so clunky and boat like at low speeds
Impressive knowing cars now are slightly cheaper and is heavier, with traditional suspension at that. In the bonus clip, Perez is off throttle for slightly longer than Verstappen. He's not as confident.
nicely spotted.... i think it might be a telemetry error.. cause he roughly decelerates the same amount as the others (and himself the prev year where he braked) from the same point he lifts of throttle. I dont think thats explainable by engine braking and more drag on the car for example. It is noteworthy however that he does downshift in 2023 ( 8th to 7th gear where he stayed in 7th prev year) I think this helps with engine braking, like it translates to more resistance on the wheels.. so maybe he didnt brake after all
No lmao. The W11 was literally THE fastest F1 cars have gotten. A lot of it was the DAS system which let them control not only tire temps with toe, but also less wear, and better straight line speed/cornering. Everything about it was better then the W10
The new cars truly are shit. What a crap change of regulations. "Ok chaps, how shall we improve F1? How about bigger, heavier, less speed, uglier, and more boring?"
Perez doesn't drive the same car🤭, he has to drive a car built COMPLETELY on Max's driving style and preferences... If It would be the opposite Checo would still be behind ,because Max has more talent, but not by the crazy gap we see in real life.
For me it's so obvious that Red Bull doesn't care about their second drivers, it's been like this since 2019... Gasly, Albon and now Checo aren't as good as Max but they were,and Checo still is, miles behind him; I don't think that's very realistic.
Peak delusion. Imagine being so good at what you do that people have these kind of wild and stupid theories just because they can‘t cope with the fact that their favourite driver gets made to look like a clown every week by Max. Max is truly the greatest driver since Schumacher.
@@Reaz399 Bro Perez is not my favourite driver, I'm not mexican I'm italian; for example look at what happened in Mercedes from 2017 to 2021... Lewis like Max is the unbelievable driver and Bottas is on the same level as Checo but he managed to score a lot more pole positions and wins than Perez, he wasn't so far behind Lewis like Checo is with Max.
@@vamositalia4600 Because Max is way better than Hamilton ever was ? No version of Hamilton is anywhere near current Max. Stop with that bs about RB building their car solely around Max. It‘s simply not true, no team has ever built their car around 1 driver. They simply build the fastest car possible and Max adapts to whatever he‘s given. I‘m tired of stupid comments like yours from people with 0 clue about the sport.
Horner was shocked by Verstappen's T5 speed: czcams.com/video/VBqKIOc2ojo/video.html
Don't care about any of this when no one got to see Mercedes W11 at this circuit in 2020. That would have been a monster on this circuit.
Would be amazing just see what it was capable of now when there were no crowds to watch it during 2020 season.
Now it's a £400 million paperweight.
I think Mercedes owe it to the fans to see it in anger as it was at its peak technological performance before its features like DAS was banned in 2021
that bonus clip felt personal 😂
It defo was haha
Keeping Albon's seat warm
I mean how could he let this slip by,the guy is in the most dominant f1 car to ever hit the track and is doing the same lackluster speeed of 2021 &under cars with better suspension travel and bigger tyres.
@@tsrichardAlbono said he doesn’t want to go back to the toxic RB environment 😂
Perez was Def not inline with the car at that moment of the season, if you look at his q3 lap through the S curves you can see just how much he's correcting the car mid turn. Whilst verstappen was smooth throughout the whole Sector 1. Let's hope this RB20 suits him abit more than it was last year
That comparison in suspension travel and tyre squash is insane!
Checo caught a stray at the end
and he got shot in the balls apparently
@@dco1019its true, in garage before they went to do hotlap, marko punched his nuts with a wrench, i can testify, i was the 🔧.
@@musawirmohd6353damn... even Marko's fist is faster than checo.
Aged like milk fortunately, he beat the record in degner 1 this year
@@franciscoovarela I saw that! Always rooting for Checo
I cannot begin to imagine what it must feel like to turn into a 90° right at 265kmh.
😢
It’s like 45° not 90, onboards are deceptive
Keep the content coming bro, your channel is very informative for the old and the new F1 fans
Absolutely. Whatever you old or new fans (or even in the middle), this content is very useful.
Lmao at the unnecessary roasting of Perez at the end.
Nah the Perez fanbois insist that he is just as good as Max, the facts show he isn’t even close to
@@Rearmostbean i think its mainly because he has a different driving style compared to max and if you check his q3 lap through the S curves you can see just how much hes correcting the car in the middle of the turn while max is going smoothly. I think its that and the fact the car is more catered to max
@@kahulubperez is insuperior because he can't drive a car with the fastest setup
@kahulub yeah Checo's different driving style is being slow. He's a champion at it.
@@kahulub blah blah, Max is elite, Perez isn't. End of
That F1-75 was gem of a car
The differential to the RB's apex speed in 2023 is ludicrous.
One thing to consider for this video remember the track was completely rained off for 2019 that Quali had to be moved to Sunday
Whereas in 2023 this didn’t happen, some context that should be known of for this video
That’s a double edged sword I suppose. On the one hand the rain would’ve in-rubbered the track, but on the other hand the early morning session would mean cooler temperatures, so it’s hard to say what effect that the different time would have on lap time
@@jamnchips I agree for sure with this sentiment there will always be trade offs however I would think you would rather have a hot rubbered in track over a cool green track
But tbh my original comment was for some context in general which this channel is usually good on but missed it this time
Good point
Btw you must remember that 2019 had the huge storm before it so the track surface would be insanely different
The extended outside curb also had an effect
Absolutely true
no one seems to notice that
Exactly.
Sure but not nearly as significant. Look at poor Merc going slower than before. No such kerb in the world that could help that car :)
Why do I get the feeling that the W15 might be even slower than the W13 this time☠️
Same
how? the car this year is gonna be faster than a car 2 years ago
@@gorillachamp5271if alpine pulled up at the Japanese gp with last year’s car I can guarantee they’d perform better😂
That's intense. Great video!
Keep up the good work, best f1 analysis channel
i still ask to this day how on earth you dont have at least 1 million subscribers man, i always enjoy your videos and i share them to my friends. wish that all we see your videos did the same! thanks for bringing this content!
@yelistener thanks for the vids the onboards are so cool to watch
Wonder how this year's cars will do.
Awesome video!
I can feel my neck snapping to the left when I watch onboards of this corner. Suzuka is so damn awesome, hope it never leaves the calendar
Best F1 content/channel on CZcams HANDS DOWN
I never really found out how to take this corner on gran turisno 😅
It is certainly one of the more awkward-feeling turns of any track.
degner 1 and spoon are my doom in any game
is it just me or does the lower mic quality of 2022 onwards make the cars sound slower?
This is because the wastegate part of the exhaust now enters the exhaust again after the turbo, compared to earlier where you had 2 separate “smaller exhausts” alongside the main tube, there is a video on f1 tech talk about it
4-5 yrs after f1s boom with dts and all that nonsense, this remains the only useful f1 yt channel
The bonus clip LOLOL shots fire
This channel is fantastic. Weird compliment but you absolutely nail how long text and pictures should be on screen before moving on.
Reminder that in 2025 we will see even crazier speed
1:19 left car > 🫠
Interesting how Leclerc in 2022 was faster than Verstappen in 2023, considering the 2023 cars were supposed to be faster in this type of corners. That F1-75 was good
This year's cars have enormous potential to equal or improve times compared to 2019, which apart from 2020 was the peak of Downforce in F1... Will we have the fastest cars in history next year?
No, they are still seconds off of 2020 some places because of the sheer weight
Scary af corner
Can you make more W11 vs RB20 comparisons throughout the year?
Weight makes new cars slow in slow corners
Man, if these cars had a better soundtrack, people would be drooling all over them. All the technical achievements and records are here, but there's no emotion and no competition for the top anymore.
Seems like 2022 F1 Cars are stick like glue on those corners.
can you imagine driving this corner at these speeds in real life .. what the ****
A comparison of different years of speed at turn 12 at Spa-Francorchamps (Pouhon) would be interesting.
one of those what ifs from the 2020 season, I reckon the W11 would have taken Degner 1 flat out. And just how awesome it would have been around the rest of the lap
2022 Merc 💀🤡
A very draggy car that year lol Lewis was stuck behind Ocon all race
Hope hornet doesn't watch the bonus clip 😂
Man... you can SEE that Checo is way less on-edge of his true potential. He doesn't push as much as that RB19 would've supported.
Other cars in 2023 looks like they are taking a hard corner, Red Bull looks like its just changing lanes.
Degner 1 looks like a sharp corner but it should be considered as more of a fast corner (it's like 65-70 degrees to the right). In lower formulas people just lightly tap the brakes and jump on the throttle way before the apex. In F1 it doesn't seem like the even come off the throttle completely, but they still brake lightly. This is why it's not surprising that the current gen beats the previous, as ground-effect cars are better at these types of corners.
The real question is when will they trim those giant wings... They clearly dont need to be quite so big.
Where is the MCL38? McLaren was mighty in Suzuka last year.
I guess checo didnt realize the advantages these new cars could do
0:22 to counter the argument, I think the peak, in some ways, is 2019 rather than 2020. The reason is that when I looked at the 2020 vs 2019 Spanish GP qualifying sector times, 2020 was slower in the tight and twisty final sector. So 2019 perhaps had the highest mechanical grip from cars and tires combined. But who knows, maybe corrected for weight, 2024 might get close (Bahrain was a surprise and the tires have become so grippy in certain conditions).
A: The current Gen Cars are faster that the Peak Gen!
B: But only in one Corner Bro...
A: Yeah, but isn't that insane!?
I wonder how these 2024 cars will go around that corner. Hopefully rain wont hinder anything
Both cars are big and heavy but the 2019 ones are so much better than the current in slow speed corners. I hate the larger more sensitive tyres of this new gen too. Just go back to smaller and reduce the weight. Get rid of that extra 40kg they added on and reduce it further by at least 20kg.
What are the 2024 speeds??
Everyone knows by now that Checo is slower than Max. A veteran driver teamed alongside a generational talent. That last clip was so unnecessary and just incites division among the Max and Checo fans. Come on. Can't we just enjoy that RB is currently having the best duo to ever raced for the team? SMH. Max fan here, BTW.
Perez fans brought this on themselves
I am not a diehard Perez fan, but I do cheer for the guy to improve. People bash on Perez a lot, but tend to forget no one else in his seat would be able to beat Max and still carry the pressure of being second - that's where Perez lost it all. They get impressed by one single race of Sainz with no appendix, but forget how much the first of Max's WDC was built with Perez's help. I doubt Alonso or Sainz in the same car have any remote chance of beating Max.
@@10blader Sainz also had a genius race last year winning Singapore
He has improved and been neck and neck with LeClerc, who is clearly the preferred driver at Ferrari
Similarly the accolades role in for Alonso
Perez was the right pick when he signed, and will have an F1 record anyone would be proud of, but let’s not pretend he is anything but lost in his car. His teammate in the same car is leaving the field, while Perez cannot be counted to get in the top 4 on qualifying. During Mercedes era of domination it was regular to have front row lock outs or at least Bottas on the second row, and it sure seems that the RB is more dominant than Mercedes was
@@10blader Agree. We owe Checo big time with his heroics during 2021. I couldn't ask more from him since he's the only 2nd driver who lasted this long being Max's teammate. He brings home the points and even secured P2 in the WDC, which was never done before by any other RB 2nd driver. Funny, that it only takes one wrong move from Checo and the haters jump on him.
Interestingly Perez achieved a minimum speed of 270kmh at Degner 1 during this years Q3 session
Despite having the same car, Perez went 7 tenths slower than verstappen🥰
i think this proves that perez isn’t a bad driver. He just doesn’t suit the red bull as it’s a car that is point at the front however perez likes a car that is the opposite. Essentially he has to sacrifice the true performance of the car to suit his driving style as he prefers the car to be slower on entry but quicker on exit, completely the opposite to Max or Charles
I always try to take that corner flat out/ almost no lift. Never works tbh
I think Perez is slow through Degner because he prefers a lot of understeer while Max prefers a lot of oversteer. So with the car being more aligned with Max's driving style, Perez can't flick it in as confidently without fear of losing the rears. Kind of unfortunate that they have such opposite driving styles but I guess that's how it is
Would've have been nice to see how the McLaren's did through that corner as they were second to redbull In 2023 at Japan
About that last clip: its clear Checo doesn't trusts the car nearly as much as max does. Max is so smooth compared to anyone but specially to Checo in particular.
2023 red bulls are awesome
Not a diehard Perez fan, but even though he was slower than Verstappen, still managed to beat Hamimimilton and the rest of the grid😂
OP car will do that to yuh.
Both Mclarens and Leclerc beat him
This year could be almost flat😲, the W11 would have been the same... for sure not flat since last gen cars had disadvantages in that corner
This weekend will be rainy
In what areas does new gen f1 cars beat "peak" gen cars
Wish you show the McLarens in the 2023 too.
Mclaren wasn't particularly fast in this corner
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It is rng
Looking at next T, 2019 is faster.
More speed, better for ground effect, less speed and things change.
Moreover more wheight, by definition new cars are slower en mid to slow turns.
Damn what is Perez doing at RB, he's W A S H E D
I assume F1-75 can do better if Suzuka race held before TD039
you mean minimum speeds?
Great analysis again, and the bonus clip is unexpected. 😆
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Why not voice over?
Such a shame a certain thing that shall not be named meant the 2020 cars couldn’t race at Suzuka (Mugello/Portimao wasn’t the worst trade off ever though)
These cars are impressive at high speeds but a shame they’re so clunky and boat like at low speeds
Yes, pandemic ruined the 2020 overall.
Impressive knowing cars now are slightly cheaper and is heavier, with traditional suspension at that. In the bonus clip, Perez is off throttle for slightly longer than Verstappen. He's not as confident.
Also on break for longer, he also doesn’t try to get on the kerb as much as Verstappen.
Oh shit I could not watch the video
bro you dont gotta do perez like that 😂
And this year they will destroy it
Does Hamilton not brake into D1 in 2023 or is that a telemetry error?
nicely spotted.... i think it might be a telemetry error.. cause he roughly decelerates the same amount as the others (and himself the prev year where he braked) from the same point he lifts of throttle. I dont think thats explainable by engine braking and more drag on the car for example. It is noteworthy however that he does downshift in 2023 ( 8th to 7th gear where he stayed in 7th prev year) I think this helps with engine braking, like it translates to more resistance on the wheels.. so maybe he didnt brake after all
he broke for a very short amount of time, the telemetry refreshes around 30 times a second (I think) so it probably missed that part
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F1-75 was faster than SF-23 ?
yep
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@@mesh8349 yo wtf? Lmao
Leclerc just took it insanely well 2022
so little run off if things go wrong.
perez always with no confidence
Imagine W11
bottas is quite good in fast corners isn’t he? he is always the fastest in this comparisons
Am I too high for this right now or does he just show how 2019 cars get beat by current gen in this corner? I'm confused
W10 is the beat merc they made it was just complete all round
No lmao. The W11 was literally THE fastest F1 cars have gotten. A lot of it was the DAS system which let them control not only tire temps with toe, but also less wear, and better straight line speed/cornering. Everything about it was better then the W10
@@DizzyRL no w10 is just clean it suited Hamiltons style completely the w11 did most of the work for him
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@@user-qm1cv8jb4w the w11 didnt drive for him, it was a better car then the W10 with a good driver
how the fuck did Ferrari lose downforce from 2022 to 2023
Degener 1 will be flat this year.
Not even close
"Mercedes always built bad cars they only had good engines" - max fan copypasta
Isn't 2018 cars brake track record?
2020 was the peak no 2019
Hmm did 2020 suzuka happen ?? Question
Nice vid but I thought Peak gen was 2020?, they were the fastest cars of all time, the W11 being the fastest F1 car ever.
They didn’t race at Japan in 2020 unfortunately.
FTX - lol
Yup Perez's already dead why you add this clip 😭
But peak was in 2020
Of course, but in 2020 the Japanese Grand Prix was cancelled due to the pandemic.
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 ofc
@@ALPHABYTE64 Yea.
The new cars truly are shit. What a crap change of regulations.
"Ok chaps, how shall we improve F1? How about bigger, heavier, less speed, uglier, and more boring?"
Replace Checo!
Replace someone who nearly got P1 by 0.066 seconds?
Perez doesn't drive the same car🤭, he has to drive a car built COMPLETELY on Max's driving style and preferences... If It would be the opposite Checo would still be behind ,because Max has more talent, but not by the crazy gap we see in real life.
Tbf this will always be a myth.
For me it's so obvious that Red Bull doesn't care about their second drivers, it's been like this since 2019... Gasly, Albon and now Checo aren't as good as Max but they were,and Checo still is, miles behind him; I don't think that's very realistic.
Peak delusion.
Imagine being so good at what you do that people have these kind of wild and stupid theories just because they can‘t cope with the fact that their favourite driver gets made to look like a clown every week by Max.
Max is truly the greatest driver since Schumacher.
@@Reaz399 Bro Perez is not my favourite driver, I'm not mexican I'm italian; for example look at what happened in Mercedes from 2017 to 2021... Lewis like Max is the unbelievable driver and Bottas is on the same level as Checo but he managed to score a lot more pole positions and wins than Perez, he wasn't so far behind Lewis like Checo is with Max.
@@vamositalia4600 Because Max is way better than Hamilton ever was ? No version of Hamilton is anywhere near current Max.
Stop with that bs about RB building their car solely around Max. It‘s simply not true, no team has ever built their car around 1 driver.
They simply build the fastest car possible and Max adapts to whatever he‘s given. I‘m tired of stupid comments like yours from people with 0 clue about the sport.
great, another useless F1 video with clickbait title
LOL